How to block https://facebook.com
Good day Skunks, I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.com uses port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/ I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly welcome.[?] Thanks. Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi
i hope you realize blocking that port basically incapacitates any secure transmissions to the web, for instance, gmail..... On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Good day Skunks,
I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able
to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.com uses
port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/
I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly
welcome.[?]
Thanks.
Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi
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i would suggest you invest in a good firewall (read old linux box) and configure it (read IPtables rules) to block facebook at domain level, DNSes and Ip addresses. oh, and while youre at it block all public and private proxies.... On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:51 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
i hope you realize blocking that port basically incapacitates any secure transmissions to the web, for instance, gmail.....
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com>wrote:
Good day Skunks,
I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able
to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.com uses
port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/
I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly
welcome.[?]
Thanks.
Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi
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-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”*
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”* ~ Alex Carey ~ Tel No: 0x2af23696
@ Rocky Yes; I like your noble idea;; but I really dont think you can prevent determined users from accessing "The" Facebook.[?] They tried to block it where I work; But there are so many mirrors/variations that we still use to access.. You may manage to block the official site;; but you may have to hunt for the affiliates.
Is there no simple and cost free method? On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:53 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
i would suggest you invest in a good firewall (read old linux box) and configure it (read IPtables rules) to block facebook at domain level, DNSes and Ip addresses.
oh, and while youre at it block all public and private proxies....
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:51 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
i hope you realize blocking that port basically incapacitates any secure transmissions to the web, for instance, gmail.....
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com>wrote:
Good day Skunks,
I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able
to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.comuses
port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/
I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly
welcome.[?]
Thanks.
Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi
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-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”*
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”*
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
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As someone said, Null route all the prefixes advertised by facebook with Iptables. That's free. That, won't prevent your users from using tor, tunnels or third party proxies... For that, you'll need to look at the packets and drop anything with the facebook specific content.. Look at the netfilter patch-o-matic... That's free too. Though, that won't help you if they use encryption. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there no simple and cost free method?
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:53 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
i would suggest you invest in a good firewall (read old linux box) and configure it (read IPtables rules) to block facebook at domain level, DNSes and Ip addresses.
oh, and while youre at it block all public and private proxies....
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:51 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
i hope you realize blocking that port basically incapacitates any secure transmissions to the web, for instance, gmail.....
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com>wrote:
Good day Skunks,
I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able
to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.comuses
port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/
I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly
welcome.[?]
Thanks.
Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi
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-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”*
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”*
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
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Putting a filter of contains *any* "facebook" might bring down the router/firewall..
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
Putting a filter of contains *any* "facebook" might bring down the router/firewall..
Running squid in transparent proxy mode with a simple access list should help the guy. This is based on the assumption that the guys on his network don't have knowledge higher than he does:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
I would suggest you talk your organization to drop the conservative view of Facebook and rip the positive benefits of Facebook. Trying to block Facebook from the users is just the same thing as Mbarak blocking Egypt from accessing Facebook and the likes of Twitter. According to Facebook and other Social networks blocking their users access drives them to invest in research of how their clients (your Facebook users) can by pass the measures put to clamp down their access to Facebook.Your request is a fight against common forces. Atudo Ayodo Systems Analyst +254 721 912151, +254 737 587726 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:08:20 +0400 From: lmwangi@gmail.com To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] How to block https://facebook.com As someone said, Null route all the prefixes advertised by facebook with Iptables. That's free. That, won't prevent your users from using tor, tunnels or third party proxies... For that, you'll need to look at the packets and drop anything with the facebook specific content.. Look at the netfilter patch-o-matic... That's free too. Though, that won't help you if they use encryption. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote: Is there no simple and cost free method? On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:53 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: i would suggest you invest in a good firewall (read old linux box) and configure it (read IPtables rules) to block facebook at domain level, DNSes and Ip addresses. oh, and while youre at it block all public and private proxies.... On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:51 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: i hope you realize blocking that port basically incapacitates any secure transmissions to the web, for instance, gmail..... On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote: Good day Skunks, I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.com uses port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/ I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly welcome. Thanks. Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- “The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy” ~ Alex Carey ~Tel No: 0x2af23696 -- “The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy” ~ Alex Carey ~Tel No: 0x2af23696 _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Squid with ACLs as a transparent proxy would be your best bet.. but it depends on how tech your users are On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there no simple and cost free method?
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:53 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
i would suggest you invest in a good firewall (read old linux box) and configure it (read IPtables rules) to block facebook at domain level, DNSes and Ip addresses.
oh, and while youre at it block all public and private proxies....
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:51 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
i hope you realize blocking that port basically incapacitates any secure transmissions to the web, for instance, gmail.....
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com>wrote:
Good day Skunks,
I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able
to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.comuses
port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/
I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly
welcome.[?]
Thanks.
Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi
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-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”*
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”*
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
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-- ---------- Yonny ----------
@Rocky, I have seen sad ending to dictators and oppressors like you. Why do you want to block Facebook? Ever wonder what is so different between the work the people do on a daily basis and Facebook that make people prefer Facebook to work?
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rocky,
I have seen sad ending to dictators and oppressors like you. Why do you want to block Facebook? Ever wonder what is so different between the work the people do on a daily basis and Facebook that make people prefer Facebook to work?
Hi Musyoki, This guy is implementing policy, not his wish. This tirade against him is uncalled for. In fact, you are the dictator, because you want to force him to do something which is against the wishes of the powers-that-be! :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
Simple cost free remove internet all together... While at it IPADS and Iphones are doing the trick its just policy talk of MOU with users thats the win win situation. Have a hassle free day. Matt On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there no simple and cost free method?
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:53 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
i would suggest you invest in a good firewall (read old linux box) and configure it (read IPtables rules) to block facebook at domain level, DNSes and Ip addresses.
oh, and while youre at it block all public and private proxies....
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:51 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
i hope you realize blocking that port basically incapacitates any secure transmissions to the web, for instance, gmail.....
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com>wrote:
Good day Skunks,
I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able
to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.comuses
port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/
I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly
welcome.[?]
Thanks.
Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi
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-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”*
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
-- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”*
~ Alex Carey ~
Tel No: 0x2af23696
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:37 PM, [Dr. Matt_Mca] <drmattmca@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple cost free remove internet all together...
While at it IPADS and Iphones are doing the trick its just policy talk of MOU with users thats the win win situation.
Gentlemen, May I remind you that "When company policy is at odds with an employee's personal policy, company policy prevails. That is company policy" There is nothing like "talk of MOU with users....". They can access FB at their own expense (with their iPads, iPhones) :-) Let's stop deviating from what the OP was about. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
I beg to disagree. Policies are made by people for people to follow. Some policies are ammended - My believe as long as ones actions do not interfere with WORK/service levels/operations I have no issues. Policies must be acceptable to both parties employer and employee. A middle ground MUST be sort otherwise policies become useless hence the MOU - acceptable principles to use of technology. A employee works best when motivated the understanding is to have defined and acceptable modes of availing "company set guidelines" for services. In this case in point FB is a marketing too if well used, the company policy needs to be flexible to address the needs of the users lets they come up with other means of doing stuff; @Robby, Instead of doing all these things just uninstall the browsers. I did this at a pals place and life has been smooth. One more thing remove administrative rights on the users PC. There done! Matt On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:37 PM, [Dr. Matt_Mca] <drmattmca@gmail.com>wrote:
Simple cost free remove internet all together...
While at it IPADS and Iphones are doing the trick its just policy talk of MOU with users thats the win win situation.
Gentlemen,
May I remind you that "When company policy is at odds with an employee's personal policy, company policy prevails. That is company policy"
There is nothing like "talk of MOU with users....". They can access FB at their own expense (with their iPads, iPhones) :-)
Let's stop deviating from what the OP was about.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:41 PM, [Dr. Matt_Mca] <drmattmca@gmail.com> wrote:
I beg to disagree.
Policies are made by people for people to follow.
Some policies are ammended - My believe as long as ones actions do not interfere with WORK/service levels/operations I have no issues.
Mathews, when company policies are defined, by management, it's not upto you to decide how flexiblly you can implement them. However, if "you are yourself the policy", then no problem;-)
Policies must be acceptable to both parties employer and employee. A middle ground MUST be sort otherwise policies become useless hence the MOU - acceptable principles to use of technology.
When you join the company and sign the contract, it simply means you have agreed to adhere to company policies. It's at that point that you should ask for them, read them and if you don't agree with some, you simply fail to sign the contract, and you know what that means. I have never seen any organization where management negotiates on company policies with employees. I know people negotiate their terms of employment (remuneration), and not company policies.
A employee works best when motivated the understanding is to have defined and acceptable modes of availing "company set guidelines" for services.
I hear you, but I still insist you are simply missing the point: We are talking company policy, not employee motivation.
In this case in point FB is a marketing too if well used, the company policy needs to be flexible to address the needs of the users lets they come up with other means of doing stuff;
You can say that, but from a different perspective, not company policy that has been defined and which requires that FB is banned. The OP did not ask us to advise him on what is good or bad for the company. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
Was there any research that was done before companies decided to ban Facebook at the place of work as part of their policies ?This is a case of companies fearing what they dont know just as the Kenya government did when they banned the use of satelites in the 90s since they where not conversant with the satelite technologies and its capabilities.It is our duty to inform these organizations the positives of social networks since I can bet that the top level management who come upwith these policies are of an older generation and might be blinded to see be benefits. Atudo Ayodo Systems Analyst +254 721 912151, +254 737 587726 From: odhiambo@gmail.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:09:44 +0300 To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] How to block https://facebook.com On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:41 PM, [Dr. Matt_Mca] <drmattmca@gmail.com> wrote: I beg to disagree. Policies are made by people for people to follow. Some policies are ammended - My believe as long as ones actions do not interfere with WORK/service levels/operations I have no issues. Mathews, when company policies are defined, by management, it's not upto you to decide how flexiblly you can implement them. However, if "you are yourself the policy", then no problem;-) Policies must be acceptable to both parties employer and employee. A middle ground MUST be sort otherwise policies become useless hence the MOU - acceptable principles to use of technology. When you join the company and sign the contract, it simply means you have agreed to adhere to company policies. It's at that point that you should ask for them, read them and if you don't agree with some, you simply fail to sign the contract, and you know what that means. I have never seen any organization where management negotiates on company policies with employees. I know people negotiate their terms of employment (remuneration), and not company policies. A employee works best when motivated the understanding is to have defined and acceptable modes of availing "company set guidelines" for services. I hear you, but I still insist you are simply missing the point: We are talking company policy, not employee motivation. In this case in point FB is a marketing too if well used, the company policy needs to be flexible to address the needs of the users lets they come up with other means of doing stuff; You can say that, but from a different perspective, not company policy that has been defined and which requires that FB is banned. The OP did not ask us to advise him on what is good or bad for the company. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Billy - I have done research in my workplace and facebook accounted for upto 56% of bandwidth consumed. This is not desirable for anyone who pays for bandwidth (everyone does), and we did block it (although a few others like myself still find loopholes), but after this, the bandwidth experience is much better. ./Ok3ch On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Billy A <atudoayodo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Was there any research that was done before companies decided to ban Facebook at the place of work as part of their policies ? This is a case of companies fearing what they dont know just as the Kenya government did when they banned the use of satelites in the 90s since they where not conversant with the satelite technologies and its capabilities. It is our duty to inform these organizations the positives of social networks since I can bet that the top level management who come up with these policies are of an older generation and might be blinded to see be benefits. Atudo Ayodo Systems Analyst +254 721 912151, +254 737 587726
________________________________ From: odhiambo@gmail.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:09:44 +0300 To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] How to block https://facebook.com
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:41 PM, [Dr. Matt_Mca] <drmattmca@gmail.com> wrote:
I beg to disagree. Policies are made by people for people to follow. Some policies are ammended - My believe as long as ones actions do not interfere with WORK/service levels/operations I have no issues.
Mathews, when company policies are defined, by management, it's not upto you to decide how flexiblly you can implement them. However, if "you are yourself the policy", then no problem;-)
Policies must be acceptable to both parties employer and employee. A middle ground MUST be sort otherwise policies become useless hence the MOU - acceptable principles to use of technology.
When you join the company and sign the contract, it simply means you have agreed to adhere to company policies. It's at that point that you should ask for them, read them and if you don't agree with some, you simply fail to sign the contract, and you know what that means. I have never seen any organization where management negotiates on company policies with employees. I know people negotiate their terms of employment (remuneration), and not company policies.
A employee works best when motivated the understanding is to have defined and acceptable modes of availing "company set guidelines" for services.
I hear you, but I still insist you are simply missing the point: We are talking company policy, not employee motivation.
In this case in point FB is a marketing too if well used, the company policy needs to be flexible to address the needs of the users lets they come up with other means of doing stuff;
You can say that, but from a different perspective, not company policy that has been defined and which requires that FB is banned.
The OP did not ask us to advise him on what is good or bad for the company.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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Of course Facebook has more videos, photos than other applications, but it is saddening if your employ has to be baby sitted to work, You actually have bigger problems.
Btw, its not about facebook having more photos & videos, its about the initial design where facebook has to refresh everything every few minutes. Maybe it should be designed with bandwidth saving in mind and only fetch what changes every so often. Even though we love it, we have to agree it is a bandwidth hog, and decision to block has nothing to do with whether people are working or not! ./Ok3ch On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course Facebook has more videos, photos than other applications, but it is saddening if your employ has to be baby sitted to work, You actually have bigger problems.
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But I thought companies pay for a constant link and are not billed per megabyte ? And doesnt facebook need to refresh to get new notifications, messages etc?
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
But I thought companies pay for a constant link and are not billed per megabyte ? And doesnt facebook need to refresh to get new notifications, messages etc?
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Not sure companies are making all the right moves by blocking facebook. Depending on the field of expertise, I believe that some people's jobs could benefit from the use of social networks. Those who have to keep in contact with clients could greatly benefit from a social network such as facebook, which provides a central place to communicate and interact with new people. Not to mention, it could be a breeding ground for prospective clients and customers with a user base of over 30 million active users!!
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:00 AM, julianne anyim <julianneanyim@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
But I thought companies pay for a constant link and are not billed per megabyte ? And doesnt facebook need to refresh to get new notifications, messages etc?
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Not sure companies are making all the right moves by blocking facebook. Depending on the field of expertise, I believe that some people's jobs could benefit from the use of social networks. Those who have to keep in contact with clients could greatly benefit from a social network such as facebook, which provides a central place to communicate and interact with new people. Not to mention, it could be a breeding ground for prospective clients and customers with a user base of over 30 million active users!!
No sane company discusses business matters with clients over facebook. I stand corrected though. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Billy A <atudoayodo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Was there any research that was done before companies decided to ban Facebook at the place of work as part of their policies ? This is a case of companies fearing what they dont know just as the Kenya government did when they banned the use of satelites in the 90s since they
That's a very pedestrian view. I once worked at a place where p2p downloads were taking up serious amounts of the bandwidth we were supposed to be reselling, and at peak time (when guys should be working for the customer, not checking how their movie downloads were going). For legal, productivity, commercial and basic common sense reasons, I had to enforce a total block on p2p during peak hours, and throttled it offpeak. I didn't even need to consult the company AUP or standard operating procedures to see what was being done was wrong.
where not conversant with the satelite technologies and its capabilities. It is our duty to inform these organizations the positives of social networks since I can bet that the top level management who come up
And once we're done doing our duty, you better believe there are many who'll see social networks don't really work for them. Nothing against social networks, I'm just saying organizations are different and we need to appreciate we can't all eat from the same plate. My 0.02. BR S
@Steve and @ 0k3ch, I agree with you when it comes to the use of bandwidth during peak time.What we should be looking at then is what services does the users need to access out of the organizations network? If there is none then they should lose the privilege of accessing web sites and this should be communicated to themclearly that it was a consequence of abusing internet. The other side of this coin is that users will come to work with their 3G and wifi enabled devices, Smart phones,etc to work to access these sites reducing their productivity. With IT you cannot underestimate your users some of them are well conversant with cutting edge technologies which will prove to be more of a challenge to your work than sensitizing them on the responsible use of the internet and minding other users. Atudo Billy Ayodo BSc Candidate - Software Engineering University of Eastern Africa, Baraton atudoayodo@hotmail.com +254 721 912151, +254 737 587726
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:27:33 +0100 From: smuchai@gmail.com To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] How to block https://facebook.com
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Billy A <atudoayodo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Was there any research that was done before companies decided to ban Facebook at the place of work as part of their policies ? This is a case of companies fearing what they dont know just as the Kenya government did when they banned the use of satelites in the 90s since they
That's a very pedestrian view. I once worked at a place where p2p downloads were taking up serious amounts of the bandwidth we were supposed to be reselling, and at peak time (when guys should be working for the customer, not checking how their movie downloads were going).
For legal, productivity, commercial and basic common sense reasons, I had to enforce a total block on p2p during peak hours, and throttled it offpeak. I didn't even need to consult the company AUP or standard operating procedures to see what was being done was wrong.
where not conversant with the satelite technologies and its capabilities. It is our duty to inform these organizations the positives of social networks since I can bet that the top level management who come up
And once we're done doing our duty, you better believe there are many who'll see social networks don't really work for them. Nothing against social networks, I'm just saying organizations are different and we need to appreciate we can't all eat from the same plate.
My 0.02.
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On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Billy A <atudoayodo@hotmail.com> wrote:
@Steve and @ 0k3ch, I agree with you when it comes to the use of bandwidth during peak time. What we should be looking at then is what services does the users need to access out of the organizations network? If there is none then they should lose the privilege of accessing web sites and this should be communicated to them clearly that it was a consequence of abusing internet.
Actually, is there any prospective employee who believes that when they take up a job at a certain company, they should be granted Internet access (as part of the deal) to satisfy their own needs (like social networking?). Even in an ISP environment, Internet Access to staff is/was a privilege, not a right, unless for purposes of R&D. The only thing I know is guaranteed is E-mail communication. We should not start confusing FB with Internet. The OP spoke about FB for obvious reasons, some of which Steve has elaborated on. FB != Internet. The other side of this coin is that users will come to work with their 3G
and wifi enabled devices, Smart phones,etc to work to access these sites reducing their productivity.
Well, even if they do that, the company will have done what it needs to do to ensure they are productive. If they continue to reduce their productivity on their own volition, who cares? Who stands to lose? With IT you cannot underestimate your users some of them are well conversant
with cutting edge technologies which will prove to be more of a challenge to your work than sensitizing them on the responsible use of the internet and minding other users.
You ended up missing the point! Once company policy is enforced, an employee can do whatever they want, as long as it is not contravening company policy. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
The best viable solution is to buy a good web filter that will block facebook completely and the tunnels guys use to go to facebook. On 16 February 2011 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Billy A <atudoayodo@hotmail.com> wrote:
@Steve and @ 0k3ch, I agree with you when it comes to the use of bandwidth during peak time. What we should be looking at then is what services does the users need to access out of the organizations network? If there is none then they should lose the privilege of accessing web sites and this should be communicated to them clearly that it was a consequence of abusing internet.
Actually, is there any prospective employee who believes that when they take up a job at a certain company, they should be granted Internet access (as part of the deal) to satisfy their own needs (like social networking?). Even in an ISP environment, Internet Access to staff is/was a privilege, not a right, unless for purposes of R&D. The only thing I know is guaranteed is E-mail communication. We should not start confusing FB with Internet. The OP spoke about FB for obvious reasons, some of which Steve has elaborated on. FB != Internet.
The other side of this coin is that users will come to work with their 3G
and wifi enabled devices, Smart phones,etc to work to access these sites reducing their productivity.
Well, even if they do that, the company will have done what it needs to do to ensure they are productive. If they continue to reduce their productivity on their own volition, who cares? Who stands to lose?
With IT you cannot underestimate your users some of them are well
conversant with cutting edge technologies which will prove to be more of a challenge to your work than sensitizing them on the responsible use of the internet and minding other users.
You ended up missing the point! Once company policy is enforced, an employee can do whatever they want, as long as it is not contravening company policy.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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Time to rekindle this fire. Look at this http://www.kachwanya.com/2011/03/dear-employers-stop-being-the-enemy-of-stat...
i totally agree with the writer and furthermore, if you have employees you need to block from social sites, you need to fire them first. On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Time to rekindle this fire. Look at this http://www.kachwanya.com/2011/03/dear-employers-stop-being-the-enemy-of-stat...
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:41 PM, [Dr. Matt_Mca] <drmattmca@gmail.com> wrote:
I beg to disagree. Policies are made by people for people to follow. Some policies are ammended - My believe as long as ones actions do not interfere with WORK/service levels/operations I have no issues.
Maybe FB is interfering with work in this case. Have you considered that?
Policies must be acceptable to both parties employer and employee. A middle ground MUST be sort otherwise policies become useless hence the MOU - acceptable principles to use of technology.
Try negotiating company policy during your next interview and you'll see how that ends up. And once you sign the dotted line and agree to adhere to policy, it's your employer's way or the highway.Period.
A employee works best when motivated the understanding is to have defined and acceptable modes of availing "company set guidelines" for services. In this case in point FB is a marketing too if well used, the company policy needs to be flexible to address the needs of the users lets they come up with other means of doing stuff;
Actually they don't. Who says they need a marketing tool? You don't know anything about this company, what they do, or why they've decided to block FB, so don't rant about them. Hey Rocky, you still there? Somehow we lost you in this thread, you may want to start another one :) BR S -- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head.
Brainiac, The internet is only for basic googling and emails. I don't mind not being able to access secure sites eg banks etc. Kind regards, Rocky On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:51 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
i hope you realize blocking that port basically incapacitates any secure transmissions to the web, for instance, gmail.....
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com>wrote:
Good day Skunks,
I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able
to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.com uses
port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/
I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly
welcome.[?]
Thanks.
Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi
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heheh, gmail is for emails... anyway, as wash says, if the sites you intend to block are more than the ones you intend not to block, you can do a whitelist. which means you kick everyone out except ... well, those that google. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Brainiac,
The internet is only for basic googling and emails. I don't mind not being able to access secure sites
eg banks etc.
Kind regards, Rocky
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:51 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
i hope you realize blocking that port basically incapacitates any secure transmissions to the web, for instance, gmail.....
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com>wrote:
Good day Skunks,
I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able
to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.comuses
port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/
I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly
welcome.[?]
Thanks.
Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi
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If you are able to block or null route prefixes then visit the site below and block the prefixes listed. http://www.robtex.com/as/as32934.html#bgp AS32934 is the autonomous system number for facebook, that should do it for you. Regards Frank On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Good day Skunks,
I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able
to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.com uses
port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/
I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly
welcome.[?]
Thanks.
Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Good day Skunks,
I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able
to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.com uses
port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/
I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly
welcome.[?]
You took the wrong approach to this. My advise is that you take some time to understand how the Internet works. Only after that will you know what you need to do. A simpler way would be to run squid or some other app, on your gateway machine and use ACLs (Access Control Lists) to block sites, based on domain, not port. I cannot explain further since your presentation of the problem does not reveal much about how you are doing what you are doing (or trying to do). -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
Look for a proxy server and do the filtering from there On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Good day Skunks,
I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able
to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.com uses
port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/
I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly
welcome.[?]
Thanks.
Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi
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Look for a proxy server and redirect all internet activities through the proxy and do the filtering in the proxy On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Ronnie kilel <ronniekilel@gmail.com> wrote:
Look for a proxy server and do the filtering from there
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com>wrote:
Good day Skunks,
I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able
to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.com uses
port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/
I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly
welcome.[?]
Thanks.
Kind regards Rocky Mbithi Cell : +254721708325 Skype name: rockymbithi
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Good day Skunks, I blocked http://www.facebook.com but some witty guys where still able to facebook on https://facebook.com. Apparently https://facebook.com uses port 443, when I blocked the port, using a port blocker I got from http://www.e-systems.ro/ I was still able to FB on https://facebook.com. Any suggestions or solutions will be highly welcome.
A great place to start would be for you to give us a little more information on your setup and exactly how you've tried to implement the filter. BR, S -- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head.
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