Apple passes Microsoft to be biggest tech company
Michael Dell was once asked what he would do with Apple if he owned it, and he said that he would sell it and give the money back to investors. Well, that was then. Today, Apple's market capitalization is USD 222.1B, Microsoft's is USD 219.2B. And Dell, well, it is USD 25.94B. Apple is today the second most valuable company in the United States after ExxonMobil.
goes to show how much worth there is when you create new stuff for people to do.....microsoft makes applications that are needed...Apple makes ideas and sell them both as unique and fun On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Michael Dell was once asked what he would do with Apple if he owned it, and he said that he would sell it and give the money back to investors.
Well, that was then. Today, Apple's market capitalization is USD 222.1B, Microsoft's is USD 219.2B. And Dell, well, it is USD 25.94B.
Apple is today the second most valuable company in the United States after ExxonMobil.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
-- GG
Just me thots : I think we should also add that Apple has always been interested in the Niche market, not the numbers market. If it was upto Apple to serve the world's needs for cheaper and affordable computing, we would still be stuck in the 80s. Processor developments, semiconductor advancements, you name it. Microsoft, through vendors like Intel AMD etc, has given the best technology revolution over the past 25 years and Apple was not there. The Centrino processor and family changed mobile computing. Apple was busy creating rack mounted servers and still trying to create a niche in the core end market. The latest Niche is the iPad, as you know, and price wise it keeps many out of its reach. I'd still settle for an MS operated netbook than an iPad because of various tasks that the iPad would not do. Apple's business goals have been first world where access to easy credit, large middle income sectors have caused it to thrive due to a fashion statement. In developing countries, it has not had much success. So if you have over 500 USD to throw away at a Niche manufacturer, I'd still go the MS and Nokia way because I get more universal value, if not the fancy looks. :-) Apple has given almost nothing to the development or the advancement of the technology sector, just great looking devices and desktop publishing. It did not even have a pinger app tool in its interface until very recently. But if love the devices then its great! :-) Corrections most welcome. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com> wrote:
goes to show how much worth there is when you create new stuff for people to do.....microsoft makes applications that are needed...Apple makes ideas and sell them both as unique and fun
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:58 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Apple has given almost nothing to the development or the advancement of the technology sector, just great looking devices and desktop publishing.
Two projects (with major contributions from Apple) come to mind: - The WebKit Open Source Project (http://webkit.org/) - The LLVM Compiler Infrastructure (http://llvm.org/) ~gms
Glenn, thnks for that. I think in a Global technology advancements enviroment, I'd say that those 2 links most likely account for 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% and have no impact of say for example the advancements to core technologies like semiconductors? Semiconductors have made everything possible from performance, processing abilities to portability and energy savings. These advancements from Semiconductor Manufacturers are to be found even 15 years ago or today in many MS operating "machines". :-) Rgds. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
Two projects (with major contributions from Apple) come to mind:
- The WebKit Open Source Project (http://webkit.org/) - The LLVM Compiler Infrastructure (http://llvm.org/)
~gms
Aki my son are you aware the Google Chrome & Safari are both Webkit browsers? That is a significant contribution to the computing world! On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:30 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Glenn, thnks for that. I think in a Global technology advancements enviroment, I'd say that those 2 links most likely account for 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% and have no impact of say for example the advancements to core technologies like semiconductors? Semiconductors have made everything possible from performance, processing abilities to portability and energy savings. These advancements from Semiconductor Manufacturers are to be found even 15 years ago or today in many MS operating "machines". :-)
Rgds.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
Two projects (with major contributions from Apple) come to mind:
- The WebKit Open Source Project (http://webkit.org/) - The LLVM Compiler Infrastructure (http://llvm.org/)
~gms
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Rad! lol ! Serioulsy, when did browsers make it cheaper to produce or enchance technology revolutions in hardware? Pls fill me in on these developments.. :-) Rgds. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki my son are you aware the Google Chrome & Safari are both Webkit browsers? That is a significant contribution to the computing world!
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:30 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I will as soon as you explain why you are rigidly confining technological revolutions to hardware! On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Rad! lol ! Serioulsy, when did browsers make it cheaper to produce or enchance technology revolutions in hardware? Pls fill me in on these developments.. :-)
Rgds.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki my son are you aware the Google Chrome & Safari are both Webkit browsers? That is a significant contribution to the computing world!
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:30 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Where is Rahim in this post? He should say something. David. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I will as soon as you explain why you are rigidly confining technological revolutions to hardware!
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Rad! lol ! Serioulsy, when did browsers make it cheaper to produce or enchance technology revolutions in hardware? Pls fill me in on these developments.. :-)
Rgds.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki my son are you aware the Google Chrome & Safari are both Webkit browsers? That is a significant contribution to the computing world!
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:30 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
-- ------------- http://blog.majibu.com
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Rad! lol ! Serioulsy, when did browsers make it cheaper to produce or enchance technology revolutions in hardware? Pls fill me in on these developments.. :-)
they did bring scalable fonts (TrueType) into mainstream usage ... same with SCSI ... 24bit color ... bringing LCD screens into the mainstream (when most desktops were shipping with crt displays)... wifi on laptops etc . What they did was bring a lot of better technology into the mainstream by becoming early adopters and marketing it well ... You would not be having hardware innovation if someone had not adopted these innovations into salable product ... Not to mention
Microsoft Corporation (MSFT:NYSE) is know more of a follower than a leader. Look at it's major products, they are as a reaction to an existing product. Examples: Microsoft Office (Wordperfect, Aldus PageMaker, Lotus 1-2-3, Borland Quattro Pro), Windows (Macintosh), MS-DOS (PC-DOS), Xbox (Sony Playstation, Nintendo), Internet Explorer (Netscape Navigator), Windows Phone OS (Apple OS, Palm OS), Zune (iPod), and so on as the list is endless. Now tell me a something Microsoft does and I will tell you who is the real innovator.
My friend even all those examples you used were not pioneers either Wordstar came before wordperfect Visicalc cem before Lotus QDos came before PC DOS NCSA Mosaic came before Netcape Apple's Newton OS came before Palm & Apple OS The point is EVERYONE, upto and including Apple, Microsoft, IBM, etc builds on the shoulders of giants On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Microsoft Corporation (MSFT:NYSE) is know more of a follower than a leader. Look at it's major products, they are as a reaction to an existing product.
Examples:
Microsoft Office (Wordperfect, Aldus PageMaker, Lotus 1-2-3, Borland Quattro Pro), Windows (Macintosh), MS-DOS (PC-DOS), Xbox (Sony Playstation, Nintendo), Internet Explorer (Netscape Navigator), Windows Phone OS (Apple OS, Palm OS), Zune (iPod), and so on as the list is endless.
Now tell me a something Microsoft does and I will tell you who is the real innovator.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
The whole point of my examples was just to point our that Microsoft did not pioneer the technologies or contribute to their initial development. Computers were in the use by the military in the early 50th, with some rudimentary form of data entry. Maybe the military was the real pioneer after all. And the person who invented the difference engine. Anyway, it also depends on adoption. I know millions of people used Netscape Navigator in the early days of internet but I can't tell who really was using NCSA Mosaic apart from the folks at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Campaign.
ok, simple question to listers : What is the Apple version of a netbook and costs? Today an Hp Netwbook with Windows XP Home ( provides you with 90% of fuctionality that you need to work with ) costs around Kshs 27,000/-. Rgds.
What is the cost of a One-Laptop-Per-Child laptop these days? And it has the same functionality as the HP Netbook apart from the ugly green colors and the ugly antennas and the ugly Sugar interface. Same analogy to Apple MacBook and HP (or even Asus) netbook.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
The point is EVERYONE, upto and including Apple, Microsoft, IBM, etc builds on the shoulders of giants
I agree. The person who wins is the first best implementer, not the innovator, Palm released the first Netbook, but it seems to be HP that has runaway with both Palm and Netbook success... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
Am still holding ground with my earlier post. Lets scale things up a bit more. I say "Apple is a Fashion Statement and a creator of a Niche market " ( nothing wrong with this, I'm a keen follower of Niche markets like cars ) therefore I stand by these 2 point I wrote earlier. 1) I think we should also add that Apple has always been interested in the Niche market, not the numbers market. If it was upto Apple to serve the world's needs for cheaper and affordable computing, we would still be stuck in the 80s. Am I wrong and why? 2) Apple has given almost nothing to the development or the advancement of the technology sector, just great looking devices and desktop publishing. What do I not know about Apple's Global impact on technology advancements? corrections very welcome. :-) Rgds.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:49 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
What do I not know about Apple's Global impact on technology advancements?
I think Apple view themselves as "revolutionists", "reinventionists" (is there such a word?) and "magicians" rather than "technologists": Apple ignited the personal computer revolution with the Apple II, then reinvented the personal computer with the Macintosh. Apple continues to lead the industry with its award-winning computers, OS X operating system, and iLife, iWork and professional applications. Apple leads the digital music revolution with its iPods and iTunes online store, has reinvented the mobile phone with its revolutionary iPhone and App Store, and has recently introduced its magical iPad which is defining the future of mobile media and computing devices. (From the footer of their latest Press Release). ~gms
Btw "Douglas Engelbart : The Mother of All Demos" on YouTube gives a great insight into some pioneering work done in the late '60s (1960s for any search engines that may index this message in 2xxx and beyond). This guy and his research team are probably the "giants" whose shoulders many have and will continue to stand on. ~gms
On a lighter note anybody remember the scene in Forrest Gump about shares in a 'fruit company' he'd be laughing all the way to the bank right now On 5/27/10, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
Btw "Douglas Engelbart : The Mother of All Demos" on YouTube gives a great insight into some pioneering work done in the late '60s (1960s for any search engines that may index this message in 2xxx and beyond). This guy and his research team are probably the "giants" whose shoulders many have and will continue to stand on.
~gms _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Gituma....back when the logo for that fruit company was a multicoloured rainbow...very true! On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 14:03, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
On a lighter note anybody remember the scene in Forrest Gump about shares in a 'fruit company' he'd be laughing all the way to the bank right now
On 5/27/10, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
Btw "Douglas Engelbart : The Mother of All Demos" on YouTube gives a great insight into some pioneering work done in the late '60s (1960s for any search engines that may index this message in 2xxx and beyond). This guy and his research team are probably the "giants" whose shoulders many have and will continue to stand on.
~gms _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f...
------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Warning... OT.. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: [...]
NCSA Mosaic came before Netcape
OMG Mosaic! Nostalgia. Thanks to the time machine, it's still available at ftp://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Mosaic/Windows/v3.0/. Downloading now... BR S -- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:10 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:
they did bring scalable fonts (TrueType) into mainstream usage ... same with SCSI ... 24bit color ... bringing LCD screens into the mainstream (when most desktops were shipping with crt displays)... wifi on laptops etc . What they did was bring a lot of better technology into the mainstream by becoming early adopters and marketing it well ... You would not be having hardware innovation if someone had not adopted these innovations into salable product ... Not to mention
But they took away floppy disks :-( ~glenn
I believe we should first define what technology is before criticizing. - the practical application of science to commerce or industry - engineering: the discipline dealing with the art or science of applying scientific knowledge to practical problems; "he had trouble deciding which branch of engineering to study" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn<http://www.google.co.ke/url?q=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Dtechnology&ei=9zn-S5TbNKay0gTqwJjnDQ&sa=X&oi=define&ct=&cd=1&ved=0CBcQpAMoAA&usg=AFQjCNFR2vOcYU3Ga2uop1jYnNIl94Y_xA> I think all of this companies have played a key role in advancing technology to where it is today. Otherwise its a matter of measuring (which criteria do we use?) who has contributed more than the other. Technology keeps on advancing every now and then, and there are reasons to why it advances in a certain direction. I believe microsoft and apple's *competition* have contributed a lot towards the technology we have today. Each one of them has unique products that impact a lot on today's technology. Regards On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:10 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Rad! lol ! Serioulsy, when did browsers make it cheaper to produce or enchance technology revolutions in hardware? Pls fill me in on these developments.. :-)
they did bring scalable fonts (TrueType) into mainstream usage ... same with SCSI ... 24bit color ... bringing LCD screens into the mainstream (when most desktops were shipping with crt displays)... wifi on laptops etc . What they did was bring a lot of better technology into the mainstream by becoming early adopters and marketing it well ... You would not be having hardware innovation if someone had not adopted these innovations into salable product ... Not to mention _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Let's take a perspective on how Apple from my point of view looks at things or better yet how Steve Looks at the apple market. Fun Fact: Apple pays steve approx 1$ per month as his salary :D Belief in a product is essential. More than that, i think what apple has achieved over the past few years is nothing short of revolutionary. We today marvel at how we work on the mouse.. innovated on Apple technology, moved as a key selling point for Microsoft's incorporation and now a trackpad and a touchpad again with Apple. I agree with Rad and Glenn on the fact that the software revolution brought about by Apple's open tech was a great step in strengthening their abilities as a pioneer in the tech industry. There is building on the shoulders of giants as Rad says and there is innovation. I think it's because of the excelled innovation and the ability to look at any idea as crazy as it may be without prejudice what makes it possible to grow as an industrial giant. Technology as Japhet put it is Practical Application to Commerce or industry and Engineering again with application. sorry Japh, I have to say, Apple has conformed to both there and yes, whilst assisting in advancing certain technologies, with regards specifically to commercial consumer related products. I agree, there is a variable price difference here. Between the 30 / 50K Laptops that reign as entry levels to Mac's 100K entry. But this is what i believe, in order to infiltrate every market, one must first prove to have the market in mind. Let's take a look at most of my current consumer clients. By consumer i relate to the guy who is either a student going to Uni or Upper High school and the Email / MS Office ( Yes MS Office ) / Web User / regular ( i want to watch movies, play some games, and do my facebook, youtubing etc. ) Wants to do these things either at the same time or one at a time. Wants not to bother with VIRUSES etc. and wants an easy to use machine. Fair enough. It's pricy. I've got financing for that as an option, and now.. thank GOD! the iPad. Arguably, not the device that is a netbook. It's better. And No. This isn't a sales pitch, i'm not selling em yet. :D Think about it this way. 35K for a machine that does most of your browsing ( Flash not part of the deal here ;) ), emailing, portability, youtubing, facebooking, Gaming, business related applications including document processing, spreadsheets, presentations, watching movies etc. Is this not a device worthy of the netbook price range? now back to the argument at hand. Is Apple really a technology leader? Yes. In their niche, there is none who can compare right now. Apple recently procured a silicon company that creates their new processor chipset for the iPad the A4 processor which seamlessly integrates into the Mac OS Software architecture. An architecture built on Unix as a platform and as of Oct 2007 was registered as an official flavor of Unix. Apple revolutionized the mobile market with the iPhone, a phone that all the current smart phone companies are trying to compare to, mimic and surpass, i will say trying to simply because of it's popularity. With the iPhone came the opening of the app store. Again revolutionizing the open platform for developers to grow. Creating a market for the developers around the world to flourish. Lunch time. Will write more. But this is a bit of where my mind's at with this topic. Sorry i took so long in respnding. On 5/27/10 12:10 PM, ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, aki<aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Rad! lol ! Serioulsy, when did browsers make it cheaper to produce or enchance technology revolutions in hardware? Pls fill me in on these developments.. :-)
they did bring scalable fonts (TrueType) into mainstream usage ... same with SCSI ... 24bit color ... bringing LCD screens into the mainstream (when most desktops were shipping with crt displays)... wifi on laptops etc . What they did was bring a lot of better technology into the mainstream by becoming early adopters and marketing it well ... You would not be having hardware innovation if someone had not adopted these innovations into salable product ... Not to mention _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Rahim, This is what i needed to hear from you... David. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's take a perspective on how Apple from my point of view looks at things or better yet how Steve Looks at the apple market.
Fun Fact: Apple pays steve approx 1$ per month as his salary :D
Belief in a product is essential. More than that, i think what apple has achieved over the past few years is nothing short of revolutionary. We today marvel at how we work on the mouse.. innovated on Apple technology, moved as a key selling point for Microsoft's incorporation and now a trackpad and a touchpad again with Apple.
I agree with Rad and Glenn on the fact that the software revolution brought about by Apple's open tech was a great step in strengthening their abilities as a pioneer in the tech industry.
There is building on the shoulders of giants as Rad says and there is innovation. I think it's because of the excelled innovation and the ability to look at any idea as crazy as it may be without prejudice what makes it possible to grow as an industrial giant.
Technology as Japhet put it is Practical Application to Commerce or industry and Engineering again with application.
sorry Japh, I have to say, Apple has conformed to both there and yes, whilst assisting in advancing certain technologies, with regards specifically to commercial consumer related products. I agree, there is a variable price difference here. Between the 30 / 50K Laptops that reign as entry levels to Mac's 100K entry. But this is what i believe, in order to infiltrate every market, one must first prove to have the market in mind.
Let's take a look at most of my current consumer clients. By consumer i relate to the guy who is either a student going to Uni or Upper High school and the Email / MS Office ( Yes MS Office ) / Web User / regular ( i want to watch movies, play some games, and do my facebook, youtubing etc. )
Wants to do these things either at the same time or one at a time.
Wants not to bother with VIRUSES etc. and wants an easy to use machine.
Fair enough. It's pricy. I've got financing for that as an option, and now.. thank GOD! the iPad.
Arguably, not the device that is a netbook. It's better. And No. This isn't a sales pitch, i'm not selling em yet. :D Think about it this way. 35K for a machine that does most of your browsing ( Flash not part of the deal here ;) ), emailing, portability, youtubing, facebooking, Gaming, business related applications including document processing, spreadsheets, presentations, watching movies etc.
Is this not a device worthy of the netbook price range?
now back to the argument at hand. Is Apple really a technology leader? Yes. In their niche, there is none who can compare right now. Apple recently procured a silicon company that creates their new processor chipset for the iPad the A4 processor which seamlessly integrates into the Mac OS Software architecture. An architecture built on Unix as a platform and as of Oct 2007 was registered as an official flavor of Unix.
Apple revolutionized the mobile market with the iPhone, a phone that all the current smart phone companies are trying to compare to, mimic and surpass, i will say trying to simply because of it's popularity.
With the iPhone came the opening of the app store. Again revolutionizing the open platform for developers to grow. Creating a market for the developers around the world to flourish.
Lunch time. Will write more. But this is a bit of where my mind's at with this topic. Sorry i took so long in respnding.
On 5/27/10 12:10 PM, ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM, aki<aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Rad! lol ! Serioulsy, when did browsers make it cheaper to produce or enchance technology revolutions in hardware? Pls fill me in on these developments.. :-)
they did bring scalable fonts (TrueType) into mainstream usage ... same with SCSI ... 24bit color ... bringing LCD screens into the mainstream (when most desktops were shipping with crt displays)... wifi on laptops etc . What they did was bring a lot of better technology into the mainstream by becoming early adopters and marketing it well ... You would not be having hardware innovation if someone had not adopted these innovations into salable product ... Not to mention _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
-- ------------- http://blog.majibu.com
@ Rahim, my answers inline but since we already have a indication of an OT flag, will keep it as my last post for this thread. :-) On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Belief in a product is essential. More than that, i think what apple has achieved over the past few years is nothing short of revolutionary. We today marvel at how we work on the mouse.. innovated on Apple technology, moved as a key selling point for Microsoft's incorporation and now a trackpad and a touchpad again with Apple.
Mouse, GUI all in the past and has no significant bearing today. Apple should also have put in this tag " Powered by FreeBSD" that they borrowed underland and further took Jordan K. Hubbard onboard. ( When I had the time, FreeBSD networking was my interest )
I agree with Rad and Glenn on the fact that the software revolution brought about by Apple's open tech was a great step in strengthening their abilities as a pioneer in the tech industry.
Poineers are relative to technology advancement. Apples only open source is Darwin. ( correction needed )
Between the 30 / 50K Laptops that reign as entry levels to Mac's 100K entry. But this is what i believe, in order to infiltrate every market, one must first prove to have the market in mind.
Need I say more about the Niche mentality?
Wants not to bother with VIRUSES etc. and wants an easy to use machine.
I like this one. I'll need to post the exploit that Apple has so far done nothing about.
Apple revolutionized the mobile market with the iPhone, a phone that all the current smart phone companies are trying to compare to, mimic and surpass, i will say trying to simply because of it's popularity.
Popularity in the middle income and higher sector?
With the iPhone came the opening of the app store. Again revolutionizing the open platform for developers to grow. Creating a market for the developers around the world to flourish.
Great! No wonder some apps that make it to the app store are crazy enough. Someone showed me the farting apps, an app where a woman undresses when you shake the phone... , and ofcourse an app that allows you to " kill your boss " violently!. I dont remember their names as it was a while back. Hey, these are fun for others so I'm not being critical. What made iphone apps so succesful is that lame approach by Apple. One size, One market obviously would make things easier for developers and also easier for Apple to sustain. Back to square one..... Niche markets and bigger profits. Its that simple. Post soon. Rgds. :-)
Dude! appreciate the thoughts, will keep them in mind when i next speak. But my idea behind saying that understanding the Niche mentality wasn't exactly that if it's how it came off. My understanding of this was : When you as an individual are targeting to say.. take over the world with your invention. Do you: a) Just throw it out there b) Say it's out there, look for it c) Understand what people want and tailor it to suit their needs and then market it? As far as i'm concerned, Apple's taken part 3 in mind. They haven't had issues with being "just for designers" but they have had issues with.. "it's not compatible with..." and with "but it's too expensive" and as much as the latter has not been resolved fully, keep in mind that the price drop in the last 3 years has been a significant one without actually compromising quality to a greater level. With regards to the viruses: There are a few trojans out there no doubt but how many people on this thread have actually encountered and had to deal with it or know more than one person who has had to? in retrospect.. let's talk about Windows. Anyone here know anything about virus attacks there? :D (i'm not attacking you if you're a windows user, just making a counter :D) as far as the app store goes. Clarification needed but it's not a niche market. Try out Xcode and see how you fair with it. Try and host an app and see if it goes through, i won't accept that as a point hehe ;D Otherwise, hw's things going? you alright? Rahim. On 5/27/10 3:25 PM, aki wrote:
@ Rahim, my answers inline but since we already have a indication of an OT flag, will keep it as my last post for this thread. :-)
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Rahim Kara<skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Belief in a product is essential. More than that, i think what apple has achieved over the past few years is nothing short of revolutionary. We today marvel at how we work on the mouse.. innovated on Apple technology, moved as a key selling point for Microsoft's incorporation and now a trackpad and a touchpad again with Apple.
Mouse, GUI all in the past and has no significant bearing today. Apple should also have put in this tag " Powered by FreeBSD" that they borrowed underland and further took Jordan K. Hubbard onboard. ( When I had the time, FreeBSD networking was my interest )
I agree with Rad and Glenn on the fact that the software revolution brought about by Apple's open tech was a great step in strengthening their abilities as a pioneer in the tech industry.
Poineers are relative to technology advancement. Apples only open source is Darwin. ( correction needed )
Between the 30 / 50K Laptops that reign as entry levels to Mac's 100K entry. But this is what i believe, in order to infiltrate every market, one must first prove to have the market in mind.
Need I say more about the Niche mentality?
Wants not to bother with VIRUSES etc. and wants an easy to use machine.
I like this one. I'll need to post the exploit that Apple has so far done nothing about.
Apple revolutionized the mobile market with the iPhone, a phone that all the current smart phone companies are trying to compare to, mimic and surpass, i will say trying to simply because of it's popularity.
Popularity in the middle income and higher sector?
With the iPhone came the opening of the app store. Again revolutionizing the open platform for developers to grow. Creating a market for the developers around the world to flourish.
Great! No wonder some apps that make it to the app store are crazy enough. Someone showed me the farting apps, an app where a woman undresses when you shake the phone... , and ofcourse an app that allows you to " kill your boss " violently!. I dont remember their names as it was a while back. Hey, these are fun for others so I'm not being critical.
What made iphone apps so succesful is that lame approach by Apple. One size, One market obviously would make things easier for developers and also easier for Apple to sustain. Back to square one..... Niche markets and bigger profits. Its that simple.
Post soon.
Rgds. :-) _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Rahim, am great thnks. You buddy? :-)) On the virus issue on Windows, that has never bothered me nor has it ever been a critical deciding point to move away from Microsoft. Infact Mac would not even come close to what I use windows for. Mac to me means No games, No backward compatibility, restricted hardware vendor support ( just last week I had to sort out a freakin' mac osx that had problems with a hauwei modem so I stuck a thermal printed paper on it ( " welcome retard! :-)" ) . I know things have improved and have never doubted FreeBSD being used as a stable and secure operating system. These are my amatuer opinions, pls dont base any research or time on this. They are not indicators of Mac unpopularity or anything else. Just tech talk from an amatuer. :-) Best Rgds. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Dude!
Otherwise, hw's things going? you alright?
Rahim.
Brother, There can be no amateur talk here. We all house an opinion and i value these matters when it comes to both the Apple and Adobe Market in E.A. Huawei issue, what was it? maybe if i know more, i can assist with it further. Gaming is a big part of my life. I know for a near 100% that most games are now being ported to Mac as well because of soaring popularity. And for today's subject line as being more motivation for lots of other companies, it probably means that there will be a good amount of porting happening soon :D backward compatibility with respect to? And lastly, what do you use windows for? PS:I like the thermal print idea. Hope you've not patented it yet ;D On 5/27/10 5:21 PM, aki wrote:
Rahim, am great thnks. You buddy? :-))
On the virus issue on Windows, that has never bothered me nor has it ever been a critical deciding point to move away from Microsoft. Infact Mac would not even come close to what I use windows for. Mac to me means No games, No backward compatibility, restricted hardware vendor support ( just last week I had to sort out a freakin' mac osx that had problems with a hauwei modem so I stuck a thermal printed paper on it ( " welcome retard! :-)" ) . I know things have improved and have never doubted FreeBSD being used as a stable and secure operating system.
These are my amatuer opinions, pls dont base any research or time on this. They are not indicators of Mac unpopularity or anything else. Just tech talk from an amatuer. :-)
Best Rgds.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Rahim Kara<skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Dude!
Otherwise, hw's things going? you alright?
Rahim.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Rahim, don't take my comments too seriously, each vendor has their ups and downs. we learn to live by their shortfalls and expectations. :-) Since I have your kind attention, one question on a product = In due course I want to get a sketch/drawing pad that I can use with Pshop, something that will work on a USB port. Current use would be MS and possibly future use would be on a Mac, will such a device be supported on both platforms and costs? Or if such a device is not available, I know there is a PC laptop tablet. Is there a Mac tablet? You could mail me offlist. Cheers. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Rahim Kara <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Brother,
I thought Microsoft owns part of Apple ? The big Bill Gates rescue when Steve Jobs came back as CEO - Or was that a loan..? Therefore Apple's success in profit translates to Microsoft's success !!! <i stand to be corrected>
Aki, I beg to disagree with you as regards to who has contributed what to technology. When we talk of technology as a whole, we should not just look at semiconductors and processors. And as far as those are concern, Microsoft has contributed very little to their development and the progress would have happened in spite of them. It is Moore's law. Credit should go to industry pioneers such as Fairchild, Intel, TI, AMD and others. Just because Microsoft has adopted them, it does not make mean they have contributed any more to their development than Apple or even IBM and Oracle. Small things like online music distribution, desktop publishing, film editing (Final Cut Pro), innovate resistive touch technologies such as found in the iPhone and iPad have greatly altered how consumers interface with technology in today;s devices. This is more of contribution as is the popularization of Windows graphical user interface by Microsoft. And even with that, Apple was a pioneer with the Macintosh. And the reason why Apple is so successful is they make things simpler and not necessarily developer-friendly. Look at the case of the iPhone closed developed environment. That has led to more stable Apple iPhone application than an open or open-source environment will ever do. Apple has had to compromise between simple and efficient user interface and more low-level access to devices. And given the number of people who rile and Microsoft and their Windows operating systems, you can not say Apple has failed in their strategy. They have also chosen to target their market, and if it works for them, then I think no one should complain. I think you can sell to the mass markets (the likes of HP and Dell) and spend amounts equivalent to your yearly revenues on supporting the masses. This is the path Apple has chosen not to walk. Ever wondered why IBM quit the mass market to concentrate on services? Or why GM has billions in annual revenues but makes losses while the likes of Daimler and BMW has lesser revenues but make billions in profits? My thoughts.
@Philip, answers inline. :-) On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki,
I beg to disagree with you as regards to who has contributed what to technology. When we talk of technology as a whole, we should not just look at semiconductors and processors. And as far as those are concern, Microsoft has contributed very little to their development and the progress would have happened in spite of them. It is Moore's law. Credit should go to industry pioneers such as Fairchild, Intel, TI, AMD and others. Just because Microsoft has adopted them, it does not make mean they have contributed any more to their development than Apple or even IBM and Oracle.
Microsoft adopted them well and was also the driving force on the tech revolutions. Please tell me the price of an external USB Hard Drive that works on most platforms, does not require a particular format to be recognised ( plug and play ) while the other that runs on the Mac? Lets also go back to the days when Apple produced SCSI cables and the cost over 500USd for a cable. Then such devices were rotting in computer departments.
Small things like online music distribution, desktop publishing, film editing (Final Cut Pro), innovate resistive touch technologies such as found in the iPhone and iPad have greatly altered how consumers interface with technology in today;s devices. This is more of contribution as is the popularization of Windows graphical user interface by Microsoft. And even with that, Apple was a pioneer with the Macintosh.
Like I said, DTP was Macs core. I'm not with you on using the word innovative on things like touch screens. They were in existence in many commerical systems even before Apple adopted them. The cost of creating such a nice touch screen interface came at a cost thus the Niche. And the Niche was successful. Corrections welcome.
WebKit is a fork of the KHTML rendering engine (created by the fine folks of KDE). Under Apple's direction, the fork has since significantly diverged from KHTML that merges are impossible or not desirable. The KHTML group are the unsung heroes of Safari and Chromium/Chrome. It goes to show that you can always successfully market a distorted version of history. saidi On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:58 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Apple has given almost nothing to the development or the advancement of the technology sector, just great looking devices and desktop publishing.
Two projects (with major contributions from Apple) come to mind:
- The WebKit Open Source Project (http://webkit.org/) - The LLVM Compiler Infrastructure (http://llvm.org/)
~gms _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:53 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
WebKit is a fork of the KHTML rendering engine (created by the fine folks of KDE). Under Apple's direction, the fork has since significantly diverged from KHTML that merges are impossible or not desirable. The KHTML group are the unsung heroes of Safari and Chromium/Chrome. It goes to show that you can always successfully market a distorted version of history.
This is clearly stated on the landing page at Webkit.org: "WebKit is an open source web browser engine. WebKit is also the name of the Mac OS X system framework version of the engine that's used by Safari, Dashboard, Mail, and many other OS X applications. WebKit's HTML and JavaScript code began as a branch of the KHTML and KJS libraries from KDE. This website is also the home of S60's S60 WebKit development." I see no distortion of any facts here. ~gms
Great! So let's not omit credit to KHTML whenever we mention Apple's generosity with WebKit. That was the distortion, perhaps unwitting, I was referring to. On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Glenn Sequeira <gsequeira@gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:53 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
WebKit is a fork of the KHTML rendering engine (created by the fine folks of KDE). Under Apple's direction, the fork has since significantly diverged from KHTML that merges are impossible or not desirable. The KHTML group are the unsung heroes of Safari and Chromium/Chrome. It goes to show that you can always successfully market a distorted version of history.
This is clearly stated on the landing page at Webkit.org:
"WebKit is an open source web browser engine. WebKit is also the name of the Mac OS X system framework version of the engine that's used by Safari, Dashboard, Mail, and many other OS X applications. WebKit's HTML and JavaScript code began as a branch of the KHTML and KJS libraries from KDE. This website is also the home of S60's S60 WebKit development."
I see no distortion of any facts here.
~gms _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
participants (16)
-
aki -
ashok+skunkworks＠parliaments.info -
David Mugo -
geoffrey gitagia -
Gituma Nturibi -
Glenn Sequeira -
Haggai Nyang -
Japheth Kioko -
ndungu stephen -
Okechukwu -
Phares Kariuki -
Philip Musyoki -
Rad! -
Rahim Kara -
saidimu apale -
Steve Muchai