You'd imagine in this Google dominated world there's no space for a new search engine. Well the guys at Qwiki.com don't think so, today they went alpha, specializing is multimedia content. Very interesting, give it a test drive. Kiania D. -- [Asentric Consulting Ltd] "You don't build a business, you build people who build your business for you" - Brad Sugars
David, Why should we be used as Guinea Pigs when Google is already there! :-) On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:54 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
You'd imagine in this Google dominated world there's no space for a new search engine. Well the guys at Qwiki.com don't think so, today they went alpha, specializing is multimedia content.
Very interesting, give it a test drive.
Kiania D.
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Wash, This is a search engine not Digital TV it'll cost you nothing :-D. Google became what it is via testing. Remember the NatGeo tagline "Live Curious" On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
David,
Why should we be used as Guinea Pigs when Google is already there! :-)
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:54 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
You'd imagine in this Google dominated world there's no space for a new search engine. Well the guys at Qwiki.com don't think so, today they went alpha, specializing is multimedia content.
Very interesting, give it a test drive.
Kiania D.
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I really like. Search results are presented in a slideshow with a text summary of the subject. The name is suggestive though ;-) .. On 25 January 2011 11:03, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
David,
Why should we be used as Guinea Pigs when Google is already there! :-)
@Wash, what if the Google creators had the same mentality?
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It is very creative,i did a search on Political Consulting and I received a very good audio tutorial. But I know google with a USD 37BN (unused reserve) will buy them out,if they feel they are a real threat. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
I really like. Search results are presented in a slideshow with a text summary of the subject. The name is suggestive though ;-) ..
On 25 January 2011 11:03, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
David,
Why should we be used as Guinea Pigs when Google is already there! :-)
@Wash, what if the Google creators had the same mentality?
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Qwiki has some Rich results but i think we have to submit topics for available searches..... (or i din't get it) hi, there's always space for innovation On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>wrote:
It is very creative,i did a search on Political Consulting and I received a very good audio tutorial.
But I know google with a USD 37BN (unused reserve) will buy them out,if they feel they are a real threat.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
I really like. Search results are presented in a slideshow with a text summary of the subject. The name is suggestive though ;-) ..
On 25 January 2011 11:03, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
David,
Why should we be used as Guinea Pigs when Google is already there! :-)
@Wash, what if the Google creators had the same mentality?
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@ Kiania, Thank you for pointing it out....while Google focuses its current operations enhancing its search algorithms, other firms out there are using ontologies in their semantic web approach...check out Blekko.com @Odhiambo Google doesnt search everything, for one, it doesnt search the invisible web (or deep internet as most academics call it) which has approximately 80% of the information inaccessible to search engines...come to think of it Google only searches the 20% which is just the tip of the information ice-berg! Kind Regards, Joshua Kinuthia
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Joshua Gichuhi Kinuthia < joshuagichuhi@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Kiania,
Thank you for pointing it out....while Google focuses its current operations enhancing its search algorithms, other firms out there are using ontologies in their semantic web approach...check out Blekko.com
@Odhiambo Google doesnt search everything, for one, it doesnt search the invisible web (or deep internet as most academics call it) which has approximately 80% of the information inaccessible to search engines...come to think of it Google only searches the 20% which is just the tip of the information ice-berg!
No wonder sometimes I don't find what I am searching for, until I start doubting my keywords! Sasa I know the reason. There are times I have searched for items until I got frustrated. I'd like to know, if someone cares to explain in summary, how these other search engines work. How do they penetrate the deep Internet? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
Actually seems bekko gives more practical oriented results, especially on how to do something.
Search technology/science has a long way to go. For instance, can Google show you all Kenyan bank managers under 30 years? 90% of search results don't hit their target! Is this good for search engines? Yes. Think about how search engines get paid. They don';t get any money when you get what you want from your natural search results. They get paid when you don't get what you want from your search results, but you see something interesting above or on the side and click on that. Key-word-based search engines use many sophisticated tricks to index the web, but they can only point you to web pages, and those web pages may have had the information on them at one point, or they may have similar keywords on them, or they may have nothing of interest. It is up to you to look at those pages and decide for yourself. In contrast, semantic search promises to be much more productive. In semantic search, you give a query and get an answer. If you are looking for something to buy, you specify your order and see the offers. However, new technologies come with challenges. In my opinion the greatest challenge to semantic search is that companies that sell keywords today may not want to see their business models crushed by the sledgehammer of the semantic web. They are not sure how to get ad revenues from the deep web or from searches that are too accurate. They may avoid the semantic web not because they can't see it coming but precisely because they can see it coming and can't monetize it as effectively as the keyword-driven searches of today. On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually seems bekko gives more practical oriented results, especially on how to do something.
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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
No wonder sometimes I don't find what I am searching for, until I start doubting my keywords! Sasa I know the reason. There are times I have searched for items until I got frustrated.
I'd like to know, if someone cares to explain in summary, how these other search engines work. How do they penetrate the deep Internet?
@Wash, in my recent experiments with DSpace, I learnt that a lot of universities and research organizations publish their works via this piece of software and its pretty easy to deny Google bots access to this honey pot of information. To put it another way, suppose KIPPRA, KARI, KEMRI, all universities and other bodies which generate 'new' knowledge chose to NOT release their works to the public internet, Google would not find it and thus, you would not find it. I assume then that this is what is called deep internet, no?
@Karunyu, There is a better dimension of "new knowledge". For example Wikipedia has more than 2 million articles in free text form, with a few guidelines and common customs to make articles consistent for readers. This can be considered a lightly structured knowledge repository i.e. you make your way to the page to get the information. You can't get any more information out than the people who wrote on the page put in. However, if instead of typing text, the Wikipedians would do four things..... 1. Enter their data as linked data using standard tags rather than just figures in text and table. 2. Make factual statements using formal assertions with controlled vocabularies rather than free text 3. Add a subject backbone and thesarus to connect related terms together, and 4. Add a natural language query processor. Then it could answer questions like: Which cities in the World have populations over 10 million? How much do Kenyans spend on shipping every year? e.t.c. Regards Edward Mayaka On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
No wonder sometimes I don't find what I am searching for, until I start doubting my keywords! Sasa I know the reason. There are times I have searched for items until I got frustrated.
I'd like to know, if someone cares to explain in summary, how these other search engines work. How do they penetrate the deep Internet?
@Wash, in my recent experiments with DSpace, I learnt that a lot of universities and research organizations publish their works via this piece of software and its pretty easy to deny Google bots access to this honey pot of information.
To put it another way, suppose KIPPRA, KARI, KEMRI, all universities and other bodies which generate 'new' knowledge chose to NOT release their works to the public internet, Google would not find it and thus, you would not find it. I assume then that this is what is called deep internet, no?
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Locally, there is a ask engine which sees a group of guys try to answer user sourced questions by doing queries and returning best fit. They call it an ask engine, and are at http://www.kwetha.co.ke/
The search industry is very immature hence the reason google made a killing. As the industry progresses there will be need for specialised search engines and task specific ones( eg search engine that will give you results based on the document you are working on and where you are and be very accurate) Avenues for innovation are endless. On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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@Joram, the search industry is about 7 years old now<http://www.google.com/trends?q=search+engines&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all>so I wouldn't exactly call it immature, all I would say is the search techniques and algorithms used (read previous post) have evolved slowly and user awareness is limited. Google is but one way of searching for information but other avenues by which you may come by timely and relevant information do exist read Top 10 Ways to Find Better Answers Online (that Aren't Google<http://lifehacker.com/5714481/top-10-ways-to-find-better-answers-online-that-arent-google>). For specialized search engines already in the market have a look at Wolfram|Alpha <http://www.wolframalpha.com/>, though I would agree with you that Google's eBusiness strategy has helped it along the way for more information I would recommend the article Reverse engineering Google's innovation machine<http://www.usefullunacy.typepad.com/useful_lunacy/files/HBR_Google_Mar2008.pdf> by Iyer & Thomas from the Harvard Business Review. Kind Regards, Joshua Kinuthia On 31 January 2011 11:16, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
The search industry is very immature hence the reason google made a killing. As the industry progresses there will be need for specialised search engines and task specific ones( eg search engine that will give you results based on the document you are working on and where you are and be very accurate) Avenues for innovation are endless.
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd -
Dennis Kioko -
edward mayaka -
Joram Mwinamo -
Joseph McDonald -
Joshua Gichuhi Kinuthia -
Ndungi Kyalo -
Odhiambo Washington -
Peter Karunyu -
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