<OT>Vehicle accident statistics
Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke?
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke?
Go to Traffic Police Headquarters - Records Office. They have them even on the walls. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya Insurers On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke?
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Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, I shall try the insurers first. But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all accidents result in insurance claims. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya Insurers
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke?
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@Karunyu, Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained criminal mind<LOL> I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at Harambee Avenue. Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, I shall try the insurers first.
But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all accidents result in insurance claims.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya Insurers
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke?
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@Odhiambo, people tend to fear what they don't know. And I often fail to understand how the police people think and analyze things, thus my fear of them. Plus it does not help that when young and very impressionable, I was threatened with police arrest and jail time by a house help who probably did not understand how the human brain develops in kids. I have written to AKI, lets see what they say. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Karunyu,
Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained criminal mind<LOL>
I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at Harambee Avenue.
Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO>
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, I shall try the insurers first.
But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all accidents result in insurance claims.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya Insurers
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke?
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@Karunyu, Maybe you should make an appointment and talk to me. I used to be an insider before I decided to become a computer janitor! Over a drink of course:-) Fear of the unknown is not fear at all. It's simply cowardice. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Odhiambo, people tend to fear what they don't know. And I often fail to understand how the police people think and analyze things, thus my fear of them. Plus it does not help that when young and very impressionable, I was threatened with police arrest and jail time by a house help who probably did not understand how the human brain develops in kids.
I have written to AKI, lets see what they say.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Karunyu,
Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained criminal mind<LOL>
I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at Harambee Avenue.
Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO>
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, I shall try the insurers first.
But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all accidents result in insurance claims.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya Insurers
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke?
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
Vehicle accidents. Does it mean that you are only collecting data for vehicles only or also of persons/ victims involved in the accidents as well. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Karunyu,
Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained criminal mind<LOL>
I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at Harambee Avenue.
Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO>
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, I shall try the insurers first.
But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all accidents result in insurance claims.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya Insurers
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke?
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Small correction, I am not collecting the data, though I wish I was, I am merely seeking out that data with the assumption that someone else has already collected it. My interest lies in the vehicles themselves. My core knowledge gap is: Which vehicle (make and model) is involved in the most accidents in Kenya, *ceteris paribus?* On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Vehicle accidents. Does it mean that you are only collecting data for vehicles only or also of persons/ victims involved in the accidents as well.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Karunyu,
Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained criminal mind<LOL>
I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at Harambee Avenue.
Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO>
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, I shall try the insurers first.
But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all accidents result in insurance claims.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya Insurers
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke?
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Peter, This is interesting, or maybe not. Vehicles don't cause accidents by themselves. I therefore declare the results of your research null and void, repugnant to the laws of nature, etc :-) Has money been poured to finish some brand in Kenya? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Small correction, I am not collecting the data, though I wish I was, I am merely seeking out that data with the assumption that someone else has already collected it.
My interest lies in the vehicles themselves. My core knowledge gap is: Which vehicle (make and model) is involved in the most accidents in Kenya, *ceteris paribus?*
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Vehicle accidents. Does it mean that you are only collecting data for vehicles only or also of persons/ victims involved in the accidents as well.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
@Karunyu,
Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained criminal mind<LOL>
I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at Harambee Avenue.
Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO>
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, I shall try the insurers first.
But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all accidents result in insurance claims.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya Insurers
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke?
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@Odhiambo, I agree with you to some extent; my list of potential accident cause agents reads thus: 1. People 2. Infrastructure; which are built, maintained (or not) and vandalized by people, thus the real cause is people 3. Vehicles; e.g. the recent case of Toyota's self-accelerating. But vehicles are still built and maintained (or not) by people 4. Nature; one might argue that human beings are invariably changing the weather patterns, but this is highly debatable. So, rephrasing my research question: Which vehicle make and model is used most by people who cause accidents? Then my secondary question would be; which vehicle make and model is involved most in accidents caused by acts of nature :-) I am afraid that the goal of my research is not so noble as to *finish *some brands, I simply want to win an argument with a colleague who trashed a certain make and model, and secondly, know which car NOT to buy as I happen to respect the mathematics of probability. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Peter,
This is interesting, or maybe not. Vehicles don't cause accidents by themselves. I therefore declare the results of your research null and void, repugnant to the laws of nature, etc :-) Has money been poured to finish some brand in Kenya?
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Small correction, I am not collecting the data, though I wish I was, I am merely seeking out that data with the assumption that someone else has already collected it.
My interest lies in the vehicles themselves. My core knowledge gap is: Which vehicle (make and model) is involved in the most accidents in Kenya, *ceteris paribus?*
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Vehicle accidents. Does it mean that you are only collecting data for vehicles only or also of persons/ victims involved in the accidents as well.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Karunyu,
Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained criminal mind<LOL>
I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at Harambee Avenue.
Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO>
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, I shall try the insurers first.
But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all accidents result in insurance claims.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya Insurers
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
> Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke? > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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You can email waiganjo@police.go.ke for all the detailed info. On 14 Jan 2013 13:21, "Tusker 21" <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Probox?
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Thanks @Silas, the section on traffic accidents summarized the number of accidents and provided no details about the make and model, but thanks! It was an interesting read, though saddening that all those people died. @Moses, thanks for the contact, let me procrastinate emailing him until the need surpasses the fear :-) On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
You can email waiganjo@police.go.ke for all the detailed info. On 14 Jan 2013 13:21, "Tusker 21" <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Probox?
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I doubt the police tabulate make/model of vehicles, but let me see if I can ask a few I know what is normally contained in the report. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks @Silas, the section on traffic accidents summarized the number of accidents and provided no details about the make and model, but thanks! It was an interesting read, though saddening that all those people died.
@Moses, thanks for the contact, let me procrastinate emailing him until the need surpasses the fear :-)
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
You can email waiganjo@police.go.ke for all the detailed info. On 14 Jan 2013 13:21, "Tusker 21" <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Probox?
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"...know which car NOT to buy as I happen to respect the mathematics of probability..." Assume your data shows NO accidents involving CAR X. You go ahead and purchase CAR X based on that assumption of safety. Could be that that particular car is SO UNSAFE, no one/few bothers to drive it any meaningful distance/at all. Think those ancient Chevrolet pickups that are now mostly used to ferry milk from farm to dairy. I guess they may not even appear in your data. They probably are the very definition of "unsafe", but their contribution to the overall is insignificant. Probox might have a high rating on your chart, but that is most probably because of the miraa drivers and their F1 antics. The Probox is probably just as good as any other car. </> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Odhiambo, I agree with you to some extent; my list of potential accident cause agents reads thus:
1. People 2. Infrastructure; which are built, maintained (or not) and vandalized by people, thus the real cause is people 3. Vehicles; e.g. the recent case of Toyota's self-accelerating. But vehicles are still built and maintained (or not) by people 4. Nature; one might argue that human beings are invariably changing the weather patterns, but this is highly debatable.
So, rephrasing my research question: Which vehicle make and model is used most by people who cause accidents? Then my secondary question would be; which vehicle make and model is involved most in accidents caused by acts of nature :-)
I am afraid that the goal of my research is not so noble as to *finish *some brands, I simply want to win an argument with a colleague who trashed a certain make and model, and secondly, know which car NOT to buy as I happen to respect the mathematics of probability.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Peter,
This is interesting, or maybe not. Vehicles don't cause accidents by themselves. I therefore declare the results of your research null and void, repugnant to the laws of nature, etc :-) Has money been poured to finish some brand in Kenya?
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Small correction, I am not collecting the data, though I wish I was, I am merely seeking out that data with the assumption that someone else has already collected it.
My interest lies in the vehicles themselves. My core knowledge gap is: Which vehicle (make and model) is involved in the most accidents in Kenya, *ceteris paribus?*
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Vehicle accidents. Does it mean that you are only collecting data for vehicles only or also of persons/ victims involved in the accidents as well.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Karunyu,
Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained criminal mind<LOL>
I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at Harambee Avenue.
Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO>
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, I shall try the insurers first.
But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all accidents result in insurance claims.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
> i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya > Insurers > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > skip directly to what you truly want to do. don’t substitute. don’t > settle. do /brian clark > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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is this for real "you can email waiganjo@police.go.ke" Is this the impostor? am sure his email by now has been disabled. On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:22 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
"...know which car NOT to buy as I happen to respect the mathematics of probability..." Assume your data shows NO accidents involving CAR X. You go ahead and purchase CAR X based on that assumption of safety. Could be that that particular car is SO UNSAFE, no one/few bothers to drive it any meaningful distance/at all.
Think those ancient Chevrolet pickups that are now mostly used to ferry milk from farm to dairy. I guess they may not even appear in your data. They probably are the very definition of "unsafe", but their contribution to the overall is insignificant.
Probox might have a high rating on your chart, but that is most probably because of the miraa drivers and their F1 antics. The Probox is probably just as good as any other car.
</>
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Odhiambo, I agree with you to some extent; my list of potential accident cause agents reads thus:
1. People 2. Infrastructure; which are built, maintained (or not) and vandalized by people, thus the real cause is people 3. Vehicles; e.g. the recent case of Toyota's self-accelerating. But vehicles are still built and maintained (or not) by people 4. Nature; one might argue that human beings are invariably changing the weather patterns, but this is highly debatable.
So, rephrasing my research question: Which vehicle make and model is used most by people who cause accidents? Then my secondary question would be; which vehicle make and model is involved most in accidents caused by acts of nature :-)
I am afraid that the goal of my research is not so noble as to finish some brands, I simply want to win an argument with a colleague who trashed a certain make and model, and secondly, know which car NOT to buy as I happen to respect the mathematics of probability.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
This is interesting, or maybe not. Vehicles don't cause accidents by themselves. I therefore declare the results of your research null and void, repugnant to the laws of nature, etc :-) Has money been poured to finish some brand in Kenya?
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Small correction, I am not collecting the data, though I wish I was, I am merely seeking out that data with the assumption that someone else has already collected it.
My interest lies in the vehicles themselves. My core knowledge gap is: Which vehicle (make and model) is involved in the most accidents in Kenya, ceteris paribus?
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Vehicle accidents. Does it mean that you are only collecting data for vehicles only or also of persons/ victims involved in the accidents as well.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Karunyu,
Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained criminal mind<LOL>
I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at Harambee Avenue.
Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO>
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, > I shall try the insurers first. > > But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, > it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all > accidents result in insurance claims. > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya >> Insurers >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke? >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> -- >> skip directly to what you truly want to do. don’t substitute. don’t >> settle. do /brian clark >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Regards, > Peter Karunyu > ------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Association of Kenyan Insurers is abbreviated, AKI, reminds me on one 'aki', where did he go to Anyhow, they got back to me rather quickly with the terse reply that "No, it is not possible.". For completeness, the question I asked them was, partially "*Might it be possible to get the makes and models of cars involved in accidents and consequent claims? I am interested to know which make and model has the least accidents in Kenya*". On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
is this for real "you can email waiganjo@police.go.ke" Is this the impostor? am sure his email by now has been disabled.
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:22 PM, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
"...know which car NOT to buy as I happen to respect the mathematics of probability..." Assume your data shows NO accidents involving CAR X. You go ahead and purchase CAR X based on that assumption of safety. Could be that that particular car is SO UNSAFE, no one/few bothers to drive it any meaningful distance/at all.
Think those ancient Chevrolet pickups that are now mostly used to ferry milk from farm to dairy. I guess they may not even appear in your data. They probably are the very definition of "unsafe", but their contribution to the overall is insignificant.
Probox might have a high rating on your chart, but that is most probably because of the miraa drivers and their F1 antics. The Probox is probably just as good as any other car.
</>
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Odhiambo, I agree with you to some extent; my list of potential
accident
cause agents reads thus:
1. People 2. Infrastructure; which are built, maintained (or not) and vandalized by people, thus the real cause is people 3. Vehicles; e.g. the recent case of Toyota's self-accelerating. But vehicles are still built and maintained (or not) by people 4. Nature; one might argue that human beings are invariably changing the weather patterns, but this is highly debatable.
So, rephrasing my research question: Which vehicle make and model is used most by people who cause accidents? Then my secondary question would be; which vehicle make and model is involved most in accidents caused by acts of nature :-)
I am afraid that the goal of my research is not so noble as to finish some brands, I simply want to win an argument with a colleague who trashed a certain make and model, and secondly, know which car NOT to buy as I happen to respect the mathematics of probability.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
This is interesting, or maybe not. Vehicles don't cause accidents by themselves. I therefore declare the results of your research null and
void,
repugnant to the laws of nature, etc :-) Has money been poured to finish some brand in Kenya?
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Small correction, I am not collecting the data, though I wish I was, I am merely seeking out that data with the assumption that someone else
has
already collected it.
My interest lies in the vehicles themselves. My core knowledge gap is: Which vehicle (make and model) is involved in the most accidents in Kenya, ceteris paribus?
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Vehicle accidents. Does it mean that you are only collecting data for vehicles only or also of persons/ victims involved in the accidents
as well.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > > @Karunyu, > > Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained > criminal mind<LOL> > > I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse)
at
> Harambee Avenue. > > Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone > (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if > you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that > is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely > possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' > police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO> > > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com
> wrote: >> >> Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, >> I shall try the insurers first. >> >> But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, >> it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all >> accidents result in insurance claims. >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya >>> Insurers >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu < pkarunyu@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> skip directly to what you truly want to do. don’t substitute. don’t >>> settle. do /brian clark >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Peter Karunyu >> ------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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This? http://www.kenyapolice.go.ke/resources/CRIME%20REPORT%202011.pdf On 14 January 2013 12:44, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
This is interesting, or maybe not. Vehicles don't cause accidents by themselves. I therefore declare the results of your research null and void, repugnant to the laws of nature, etc :-) Has money been poured to finish some brand in Kenya?
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Small correction, I am not collecting the data, though I wish I was, I am merely seeking out that data with the assumption that someone else has already collected it.
My interest lies in the vehicles themselves. My core knowledge gap is: Which vehicle (make and model) is involved in the most accidents in Kenya, *ceteris paribus?*
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Vehicle accidents. Does it mean that you are only collecting data for vehicles only or also of persons/ victims involved in the accidents as well.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Karunyu,
Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained criminal mind<LOL>
I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at Harambee Avenue.
Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO>
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, I shall try the insurers first.
But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all accidents result in insurance claims.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya Insurers
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
> Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke? > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Peter may be onto something. <puts on flame suit> Vehicle makes/models tend to VERY LOOSELY map to certain demographic groups. Think Toyota Probox (common among certain businesspeople), think Subaru Imprezas (common among certain age groups). </personal observation/opinion> That aside, the results are likely to be correct only within geographical limits, and may not apply country-wide. I'd also be a little worried about the number of errors during pen & paper data collection and compilation. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Peter,
This is interesting, or maybe not. Vehicles don't cause accidents by themselves. I therefore declare the results of your research null and void, repugnant to the laws of nature, etc :-) Has money been poured to finish some brand in Kenya?
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Small correction, I am not collecting the data, though I wish I was, I am merely seeking out that data with the assumption that someone else has already collected it.
My interest lies in the vehicles themselves. My core knowledge gap is: Which vehicle (make and model) is involved in the most accidents in Kenya, *ceteris paribus?*
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
Vehicle accidents. Does it mean that you are only collecting data for vehicles only or also of persons/ victims involved in the accidents as well.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
@Karunyu,
Ingrained fear of the Police people? You seem to also have ingrained criminal mind<LOL>
I believe you can also get the data from Police Hq (Vigilance Hse) at Harambee Avenue.
Well, why don't you just call the Traffic Commandant on the phone (which you can easily find if you want) and ask him (from a far because if you get closer he might just order this ka suspicious looking suspect that is you to be looked in while they investigate) if it's even remotely possible for a civilian of your stature to be given these 'confidential' police data - never mind that no accident is confidential<LMFAO>
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks guys. Since I seem to have an ingrained fear of Police people, I shall try the insurers first.
But wait, wouldn't the insurers data be secondary? Since, I assume, it is sourced from insurance claims? My assumption being that not all accidents result in insurance claims.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
i would check with the Traffic Police or the Association of Kenya Insurers
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
> Anyone know where I can get statistics on vehicle accidents in .ke? > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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