OT : Historical Kenya and its land....
Just been reading this article http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000025530&cid=4& and find the matters discussed in the article disturbing. In my travels all over in ke to see the beauty and diversity of the country over the many years, there are numerious times I've seen this ugly subject brought forth. New Constitution or not, it has no impact on the deep rooted problems that are well spread over KE. I think this line in the story above says it all "said they have vowed not to allow *strangers* to be resettled in the land as it belonged to their ancestors, hence it is theirs". Who does KE belong to is the question that comes to mind? Does the constitution provide for freedom of movement and settlement in KE without prejudice and restrictions or is our constitution a worthless piece of crap that is only good in paper for debate? Me amatuer thots.
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:23 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Just been reading this article http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000025530&cid=4& and find the matters discussed in the article disturbing. In my travels all over in ke to see the beauty and diversity of the country over the many years, there are numerious times I've seen this ugly subject brought forth. New Constitution or not, it has no impact on the deep rooted problems that are well spread over KE. I think this line in the story above says it all "said they have vowed not to allow *strangers* to be resettled in the land as it belonged to their ancestors, hence it is theirs".
Aki, In this particular maasai case, they are damn right, regardless of what the current constitution says. It's a historical injustice that must be corrected, even if takes 1,000 years. The govt know just too well what the issue is and if the damn govt doesn't want to rectify the problem, then let it kill all the maasai on order to use this land in question for whatever it wants. There are some things that just can't be wished away. If you've been following the real issues behind the particular land in question, you'll realize that some bungled treaty led to this land being taken away from the maasai and they started fighting this matter in the 1930s. I am so poor in history but you can easily find out. It's not just about the land. There are many historical injustices that must be addressed and the govt is bent on not letting this happen. That is why all this time Kenyans said they do not want Bethwel Kiplagat to head the TJRC, because he has a tainted past, but the govt, against the wish of majority of Kenyans, stuck to having the man sit there, so that the TJRC does not happen as expected. I stand with the Masaai on this and recite I have to say "*quelque soit la duree de la nuit le soleil apparaître*". The govt doesn't like it but it must happen. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
I wonder why they cant chase away Delamare (3000 acres) despite him using them for target practice as well On 27 December 2010 09:30, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:23 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Just been reading this article http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000025530&cid=4& and find the matters discussed in the article disturbing. In my travels all over in ke to see the beauty and diversity of the country over the many years, there are numerious times I've seen this ugly subject brought forth. New Constitution or not, it has no impact on the deep rooted problems that are well spread over KE. I think this line in the story above says it all "said they have vowed not to allow *strangers* to be resettled in the land as it belonged to their ancestors, hence it is theirs".
Aki,
In this particular maasai case, they are damn right, regardless of what the current constitution says. It's a historical injustice that must be corrected, even if takes 1,000 years. The govt know just too well what the issue is and if the damn govt doesn't want to rectify the problem, then let it kill all the maasai on order to use this land in question for whatever it wants. There are some things that just can't be wished away. If you've been following the real issues behind the particular land in question, you'll realize that some bungled treaty led to this land being taken away from the maasai and they started fighting this matter in the 1930s. I am so poor in history but you can easily find out. It's not just about the land. There are many historical injustices that must be addressed and the govt is bent on not letting this happen. That is why all this time Kenyans said they do not want Bethwel Kiplagat to head the TJRC, because he has a tainted past, but the govt, against the wish of majority of Kenyans, stuck to having the man sit there, so that the TJRC does not happen as expected. I stand with the Masaai on this and recite I have to say "*quelque soit la duree de la nuit le soleil apparaître*". The govt doesn't like it but it must happen.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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I wonder why they cant chase away Delamare (3000 acres) despite him using them for target practice as well. Will they wait till Delamare sells the farm then start causing ? On 27 December 2010 09:30, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:23 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Just been reading this article http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000025530&cid=4& and find the matters discussed in the article disturbing. In my travels all over in ke to see the beauty and diversity of the country over the many years, there are numerious times I've seen this ugly subject brought forth. New Constitution or not, it has no impact on the deep rooted problems that are well spread over KE. I think this line in the story above says it all "said they have vowed not to allow *strangers* to be resettled in the land as it belonged to their ancestors, hence it is theirs".
Aki,
In this particular maasai case, they are damn right, regardless of what the current constitution says. It's a historical injustice that must be corrected, even if takes 1,000 years. The govt know just too well what the issue is and if the damn govt doesn't want to rectify the problem, then let it kill all the maasai on order to use this land in question for whatever it wants. There are some things that just can't be wished away. If you've been following the real issues behind the particular land in question, you'll realize that some bungled treaty led to this land being taken away from the maasai and they started fighting this matter in the 1930s. I am so poor in history but you can easily find out. It's not just about the land. There are many historical injustices that must be addressed and the govt is bent on not letting this happen. That is why all this time Kenyans said they do not want Bethwel Kiplagat to head the TJRC, because he has a tainted past, but the govt, against the wish of majority of Kenyans, stuck to having the man sit there, so that the TJRC does not happen as expected. I stand with the Masaai on this and recite I have to say "*quelque soit la duree de la nuit le soleil apparaître*". The govt doesn't like it but it must happen.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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@thomas if you think delamere has 3000 acres you are gravely mistaken. that is not even a hundredth of what he has. Dude owns a certain single digit percentage of Kenya. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com>wrote:
I wonder why they cant chase away Delamare (3000 acres) despite him using them for target practice as well. Will they wait till Delamare sells the farm then start causing ?
On 27 December 2010 09:30, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:23 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Just been reading this article http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000025530&cid=4& and find the matters discussed in the article disturbing. In my travels all over in ke to see the beauty and diversity of the country over the many years, there are numerious times I've seen this ugly subject brought forth. New Constitution or not, it has no impact on the deep rooted problems that are well spread over KE. I think this line in the story above says it all "said they have vowed not to allow *strangers* to be resettled in the land as it belonged to their ancestors, hence it is theirs".
Aki,
In this particular maasai case, they are damn right, regardless of what the current constitution says. It's a historical injustice that must be corrected, even if takes 1,000 years. The govt know just too well what the issue is and if the damn govt doesn't want to rectify the problem, then let it kill all the maasai on order to use this land in question for whatever it wants. There are some things that just can't be wished away. If you've been following the real issues behind the particular land in question, you'll realize that some bungled treaty led to this land being taken away from the maasai and they started fighting this matter in the 1930s. I am so poor in history but you can easily find out. It's not just about the land. There are many historical injustices that must be addressed and the govt is bent on not letting this happen. That is why all this time Kenyans said they do not want Bethwel Kiplagat to head the TJRC, because he has a tainted past, but the govt, against the wish of majority of Kenyans, stuck to having the man sit there, so that the TJRC does not happen as expected. I stand with the Masaai on this and recite I have to say "*quelque soit la duree de la nuit le soleil apparaître*". The govt doesn't like it but it must happen.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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Right Collins .. the question is ... why not the Delamare farm then .. is it coz the Mau Narok farm is more fertile and has better rainfall or do some of these "Good Samaritan" politicians have a "cut" on the farm .. On 27 December 2010 10:03, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@thomas if you think delamere has 3000 acres you are gravely mistaken. that is not even a hundredth of what he has. Dude owns a certain single digit percentage of Kenya.
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com>wrote:
I wonder why they cant chase away Delamare (3000 acres) despite him using them for target practice as well. Will they wait till Delamare sells the farm then start causing ?
On 27 December 2010 09:30, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:23 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Just been reading this article http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000025530&cid=4& and find the matters discussed in the article disturbing. In my travels all over in ke to see the beauty and diversity of the country over the many years, there are numerious times I've seen this ugly subject brought forth. New Constitution or not, it has no impact on the deep rooted problems that are well spread over KE. I think this line in the story above says it all "said they have vowed not to allow *strangers* to be resettled in the land as it belonged to their ancestors, hence it is theirs".
Aki,
In this particular maasai case, they are damn right, regardless of what the current constitution says. It's a historical injustice that must be corrected, even if takes 1,000 years. The govt know just too well what the issue is and if the damn govt doesn't want to rectify the problem, then let it kill all the maasai on order to use this land in question for whatever it wants. There are some things that just can't be wished away. If you've been following the real issues behind the particular land in question, you'll realize that some bungled treaty led to this land being taken away from the maasai and they started fighting this matter in the 1930s. I am so poor in history but you can easily find out. It's not just about the land. There are many historical injustices that must be addressed and the govt is bent on not letting this happen. That is why all this time Kenyans said they do not want Bethwel Kiplagat to head the TJRC, because he has a tainted past, but the govt, against the wish of majority of Kenyans, stuck to having the man sit there, so that the TJRC does not happen as expected. I stand with the Masaai on this and recite I have to say "*quelque soit la duree de la nuit le soleil apparaître*". The govt doesn't like it but it must happen.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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that would amount to discrimination, unlessgava buys from him, and the assumption is that he is willing to sell. he probably does not. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com>wrote:
Right Collins .. the question is ... why not the Delamare farm then .. is it coz the Mau Narok farm is more fertile and has better rainfall or do some of these "Good Samaritan" politicians have a "cut" on the farm ..
On 27 December 2010 10:03, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
@thomas if you think delamere has 3000 acres you are gravely mistaken. that is not even a hundredth of what he has. Dude owns a certain single digit percentage of Kenya.
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com>wrote:
I wonder why they cant chase away Delamare (3000 acres) despite him using them for target practice as well. Will they wait till Delamare sells the farm then start causing ?
On 27 December 2010 09:30, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:23 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Just been reading this article http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000025530&cid=4& and find the matters discussed in the article disturbing. In my travels all over in ke to see the beauty and diversity of the country over the many years, there are numerious times I've seen this ugly subject brought forth. New Constitution or not, it has no impact on the deep rooted problems that are well spread over KE. I think this line in the story above says it all "said they have vowed not to allow *strangers* to be resettled in the land as it belonged to their ancestors, hence it is theirs".
Aki,
In this particular maasai case, they are damn right, regardless of what the current constitution says. It's a historical injustice that must be corrected, even if takes 1,000 years. The govt know just too well what the issue is and if the damn govt doesn't want to rectify the problem, then let it kill all the maasai on order to use this land in question for whatever it wants. There are some things that just can't be wished away. If you've been following the real issues behind the particular land in question, you'll realize that some bungled treaty led to this land being taken away from the maasai and they started fighting this matter in the 1930s. I am so poor in history but you can easily find out. It's not just about the land. There are many historical injustices that must be addressed and the govt is bent on not letting this happen. That is why all this time Kenyans said they do not want Bethwel Kiplagat to head the TJRC, because he has a tainted past, but the govt, against the wish of majority of Kenyans, stuck to having the man sit there, so that the TJRC does not happen as expected. I stand with the Masaai on this and recite I have to say "*quelque soit la duree de la nuit le soleil apparaître*". The govt doesn't like it but it must happen.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
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@Wash, thanks for the comments. Lets say for argument sake that historically Nairobi also belongs to the Maasai community. So should they come collect because they would become over-night multi-billionaries which rightfully they deserve to be? What about the Republic and Constitution?
Maasai historical timelines : - May date back to millions of years ago also known as the Cradle of Mankind - Maasai land from the Great Rift Valley to Tanzania. Any historian we have on the list who can add more details? Asante. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash, thanks for the comments. Lets say for argument sake that historically Nairobi also belongs to the Maasai community. So should they come collect because they would become over-night multi-billionaries which rightfully they deserve to be? What about the Republic and Constitution?
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash, thanks for the comments. Lets say for argument sake that historically Nairobi also belongs to the Maasai community. So should they come collect because they would become over-night multi-billionaries which rightfully they deserve to be? What about the Republic and Constitution?
Aki;) I will not comment on Nairobi belonging to the Maasai since they haven't laid any claims to it. However, that piece of land in question rightly belong to them and must be given back to them. These historical injustices[0] are well documented. Some of this land that was "stolen" from them are due for return[1] and the govt must ensure this is done. [0] http://www.bluegecko.org/kenya/tribes/maasai/history.htm [1] http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/politics/InsidePage.php?id=2000005600&cid=289... -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!
Thanks @Wash, I'm sure you understand the historical issues on land, you may have to go bit deeper and beyond the useless and not-recognised govts of the colonial eras. So as my point contribution, I'll add these so we can start to differentiate between historical, republic and constitional issues : Maasai Community Timelines as history places them: 1) May date back to the cradle of mankind 2) Largely inhabited the Great Rift Valley and Tanzania, therefore would place them as the historical owners of the land The Great Rift Valley : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EAfrica.gif Nairobi is very much part of the Great Rift Valley yet you mention there is no claim for it. I'd say that Nairobi is part of the Republic of Kenya, therefore the constitution will guarantee rights to free movement and settlement to all kenyans, whatever their financial choices or lack of, whatever their affiliations, whatever their race or tribe. Some thots. Asante. :-) On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash, thanks for the comments. Lets say for argument sake that historically Nairobi also belongs to the Maasai community. So should they come collect because they would become over-night multi-billionaries which rightfully they deserve to be? What about the Republic and Constitution?
Aki;)
I will not comment on Nairobi belonging to the Maasai since they haven't laid any claims to it. However, that piece of land in question rightly belong to them and must be given back to them. These historical injustices[0] are well documented. Some of this land that was "stolen" from them are due for return[1] and the govt must ensure this is done.
what the govt needs to do is to stop resettling people in hot spots and look for available land for sale. There is a lot of land for sale around kenya, why force this people in the middle of disputed land? On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks @Wash, I'm sure you understand the historical issues on land, you may have to go bit deeper and beyond the useless and not-recognised govts of the colonial eras. So as my point contribution, I'll add these so we can start to differentiate between historical, republic and constitional issues :
Maasai Community Timelines as history places them:
1) May date back to the cradle of mankind
2) Largely inhabited the Great Rift Valley and Tanzania, therefore would place them as the historical owners of the land
The Great Rift Valley : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EAfrica.gif
Nairobi is very much part of the Great Rift Valley yet you mention there is no claim for it. I'd say that Nairobi is part of the Republic of Kenya, therefore the constitution will guarantee rights to free movement and settlement to all kenyans, whatever their financial choices or lack of, whatever their affiliations, whatever their race or tribe.
Some thots.
Asante. :-)
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash, thanks for the comments. Lets say for argument sake that historically Nairobi also belongs to the Maasai community. So should they come collect because they would become over-night multi-billionaries which rightfully they deserve to be? What about the Republic and Constitution?
Aki;)
I will not comment on Nairobi belonging to the Maasai since they haven't laid any claims to it. However, that piece of land in question rightly belong to them and must be given back to them. These historical injustices[0] are well documented. Some of this land that was "stolen" from them are due for return[1] and the govt must ensure this is done.
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@Mutinda, from what I've seen and read, the entire kenyan story is that of historical land which has some claim attached in some way so hotspots can be anywehere. I also think that all kenyan govts have entertained the historical issues for their own use/abuse thus it has become a norm to use historical issues for the fight for free land. Rather than make land reservations as was done in other countries where endangered communities were allocated land to continue their traditonal and customary beliefs while the rest of the land belonged to the country for development and commercial purposes , the kenyan story is of hyprocrisy of the republic and land laws which clearly seem to show that there is a big disconnect between the two . Therefore, you could legally and lawfully buy a piece of land from a seller only to discover later that the fore-fathers of the land should have been the ones to okay the deal and your purchase becomes void because of historical reasons. Now you will have to deal with the relatives of the seller as to who sold the land or find yourself in a very tricky situation. I dont know what the TJRC is supposed to have done with the historical issues because clearly we have 2 situations in KE. There is the Republic and a sovereign state and then there is the land kingdoms where history dictates what belongs to whom and with its own laws. Seems we are not that sovereign in many ways. Waa......! Me amateur thots. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:
what the govt needs to do is to stop resettling people in hot spots and look for available land for sale. There is a lot of land for sale around kenya, why force this people in the middle of disputed land?
People, I have tried really hard to understand the proponents of ancestral land rights and I can summarize their argument with these two statements. 1. They find it acceptable that the likes of Delamare own 500,000 acres or thereabouts of what used to be maasai ancestral land. 2. They find it unacceptable for a few thousand IDPs to be resettled on 1,500 acres of government land bought from an individual (one Mbiu Koinange) who bought it off the government which bought it from the white settler who chose to leave Kenya in early 1960s. *Lest we forget, the IDPs were attacked, raped and killed for owning land/businesses or because they voted for Kibaki (pick one). From their petty earnings they had paid monthly installments for a period 20-30years to acquire the land/businesses. They had life long savings reduced to ashes. Some of them are fifth generation Rift Valley residents and have been there since 1890s. They are bitter, destitute and their children are not likely to get an education.The 2008 IDPs population (estimated at 600,000) is not much less than the entire population of the maasai (estimated at 800,000).* What happened in 1992/1997/2007/2008 might become the historical injustice of tomorrow. David On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 2:53 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mutinda, from what I've seen and read, the entire kenyan story is that of historical land which has some claim attached in some way so hotspots can be anywehere. I also think that all kenyan govts have entertained the historical issues for their own use/abuse thus it has become a norm to use historical issues for the fight for free land. Rather than make land reservations as was done in other countries where endangered communities were allocated land to continue their traditonal and customary beliefs while the rest of the land belonged to the country for development and commercial purposes , the kenyan story is of hyprocrisy of the republic and land laws which clearly seem to show that there is a big disconnect between the two . Therefore, you could legally and lawfully buy a piece of land from a seller only to discover later that the fore-fathers of the land should have been the ones to okay the deal and your purchase becomes void because of historical reasons. Now you will have to deal with the relatives of the seller as to who sold the land or find yourself in a very tricky situation.
I dont know what the TJRC is supposed to have done with the historical issues because clearly we have 2 situations in KE. There is the Republic and a sovereign state and then there is the land kingdoms where history dictates what belongs to whom and with its own laws. Seems we are not that sovereign in many ways. Waa......!
Me amateur thots.
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:
what the govt needs to do is to stop resettling people in hot spots and look for available land for sale. There is a lot of land for sale around kenya, why force this people in the middle of disputed land?
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