Re: [Skunkworks] nano-SIM, here we come!
I would assume that nanosim would not mean limiting which carrier to use but actually get you from being dependent on switchable physical sum, that you will be presented with switching options from within the phone menu. Only thing of debate is whether this will allow for GSM and CDMA to be on one phone. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Okechukwu Sent: 7/20/2012 8:02 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] nano-SIM, here we come! Saying it wont work before fully understanding what it is... <-- I can't describe this type of thinking :-( ./Ok3ch On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:07 AM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont think it would be wise to have Simless phones..
If you travel a lot - think about the cost implications.. you have to depend on your home network,, unless you buy another phone.
Having a phone with changeable simcards i believe gives you many instant options..
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I think this will be realized when payment systems are ubiquitous or seamlessly interlinked. Yaani there is a standard payment platform for all services such that If I buy airtime in the Safaricom network I can use it in the Airtel network and to top up my Zuku account. That way If I wake up today and think Airtels offers sound better, I just select Airtel in a menu and proceed. The no. portability should be refined by then or make phone no.s like a Skype username, doesn't matter the network used. That way the bottleneck seizes to be the transaction platform and it boils down to the tech. On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com> wrote:
I would assume that nanosim would not mean limiting which carrier to use but actually get you from being dependent on switchable physical sum, that you will be presented with switching options from within the phone menu. Only thing of debate is whether this will allow for GSM and CDMA to be on one phone.
Sent from my Windows Phone From: Okechukwu Sent: 7/20/2012 8:02 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] nano-SIM, here we come! Saying it wont work before fully understanding what it is... <-- I can't describe this type of thinking :-(
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:07 AM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont think it would be wise to have Simless phones..
If you travel a lot - think about the cost implications.. you have to depend on your home network,, unless you buy another phone.
Having a phone with changeable simcards i believe gives you many instant options..
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On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com> wrote:
I would assume that nanosim would not mean limiting which carrier to use but actually get you from being dependent on switchable physical sum, that you will be presented with switching options from within the phone menu.
Switching options from within the phone menu? I cannot imagine this, but I am not saying it is impossible. I just cannot imagine how you will move from NetworkA to NetworkB - which means changing numbers.... Well, maybe the MNOs will have the software to support it: I can imagine it like: 1. Select Network 2. Enter your mobile number 3. Enter your Password ...and automagically you are registered on NetworkX with your number, but what about the SIM-based services, like M-Pesa??
Only thing of debate is whether this will allow for GSM and CDMA to be on one phone.
Hmm, cctually, with the little thinking I have put into this, I suppose this is the easiest to achieve. I did not yet see a GSM device work on CDMA network. However, there are those devices that are both CDMA/GSM. I believe for this, it *might* be as simple as mode switching! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
the first thing apple and google wanted to do was to not have a physical sim card. Apple was working with SIM-card manufacturer Gemalto to create an embedded SIM that could effectively bypass carrier control. Instead of carrier-specific data on such a SIM, for example, an embedded SIM allows for use with various operator networks and can be activated remotely instead of at the point of purchase for a device. In theory, so a consumer could purchase an unactivated smartphone with an embedded SIM and later decide which carrier to use it with. remember for apple hardware is weight, this is a company whose latest mac book pro doesnt allow for memory upgrades unless you ship it back just so they can keep things light weight. that sim slot takes up space and resources as far as they are concerned. there are many many use cases we havent even started thinking of. google around and you'll see how much work the GSMA has gone to ensure this works properly. This battle between Apple and the carriers may be over for now. In the meantime, embedded SIM technology represents huge benefits to the “Internet of Things” or web-connected machines, gadgets and appliances that are use the web in a near autonomous method. I think the key take way here should be it is possible. Wash, no phone menu. remember the main application might not be on a phone. It could be something atop a mast or an ocean sensor. gitau On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com>wrote:
I would assume that nanosim would not mean limiting which carrier to use but actually get you from being dependent on switchable physical sum, that you will be presented with switching options from within the phone menu.
Switching options from within the phone menu? I cannot imagine this, but I am not saying it is impossible. I just cannot imagine how you will move from NetworkA to NetworkB - which means changing numbers.... Well, maybe the MNOs will have the software to support it:
I can imagine it like:
1. Select Network 2. Enter your mobile number 3. Enter your Password
...and automagically you are registered on NetworkX with your number, but what about the SIM-based services, like M-Pesa??
Only thing of debate is whether this will allow for GSM and CDMA to be on one phone.
Hmm, cctually, with the little thinking I have put into this, I suppose this is the easiest to achieve. I did not yet see a GSM device work on CDMA network. However, there are those devices that are both CDMA/GSM. I believe for this, it *might* be as simple as mode switching!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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Phone manufacturers and CCK (I mean regulators worlwide) should pool resources to implement this. I don't know why they haven't realized this will stop phone thieves in their tracks! You steal a phone, it becomes useless to you. On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
the first thing apple and google wanted to do was to not have a physical sim card. Apple was working with SIM-card manufacturer Gemalto to create an embedded SIM that could effectively bypass carrier control. Instead of carrier-specific data on such a SIM, for example, an embedded SIM allows for use with various operator networks and can be activated remotely instead of at the point of purchase for a device. In theory, so a consumer could purchase an unactivated smartphone with an embedded SIM and later decide which carrier to use it with. remember for apple hardware is weight, this is a company whose latest mac book pro doesnt allow for memory upgrades unless you ship it back just so they can keep things light weight. that sim slot takes up space and resources as far as they are concerned.
there are many many use cases we havent even started thinking of. google around and you'll see how much work the GSMA has gone to ensure this works properly.
This battle between Apple and the carriers may be over for now. In the meantime, embedded SIM technology represents huge benefits to the “Internet of Things” or web-connected machines, gadgets and appliances that are use the web in a near autonomous method.
I think the key take way here should be it is possible.
Wash, no phone menu. remember the main application might not be on a phone. It could be something atop a mast or an ocean sensor.
gitau
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com>wrote:
I would assume that nanosim would not mean limiting which carrier to use but actually get you from being dependent on switchable physical sum, that you will be presented with switching options from within the phone menu.
Switching options from within the phone menu? I cannot imagine this, but I am not saying it is impossible. I just cannot imagine how you will move from NetworkA to NetworkB - which means changing numbers.... Well, maybe the MNOs will have the software to support it:
I can imagine it like:
1. Select Network 2. Enter your mobile number 3. Enter your Password
...and automagically you are registered on NetworkX with your number, but what about the SIM-based services, like M-Pesa??
Only thing of debate is whether this will allow for GSM and CDMA to be on one phone.
Hmm, cctually, with the little thinking I have put into this, I suppose this is the easiest to achieve. I did not yet see a GSM device work on CDMA network. However, there are those devices that are both CDMA/GSM. I believe for this, it *might* be as simple as mode switching!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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most regulators are in telco's pockets:-) most cant see beyond what is available, and telcos are powerful when it comes to stifiling and protecting their interests. especially in organized markets. here bana cck is local, if apple decides to do it, cck wont do a thing and telcos will comply. i cant wait for the day they maybe decide to only do ipv6, enforce some qos etc... On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Phone manufacturers and CCK (I mean regulators worlwide) should pool resources to implement this. I don't know why they haven't realized this will stop phone thieves in their tracks! You steal a phone, it becomes useless to you.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
the first thing apple and google wanted to do was to not have a physical sim card. Apple was working with SIM-card manufacturer Gemalto to create an embedded SIM that could effectively bypass carrier control. Instead of carrier-specific data on such a SIM, for example, an embedded SIM allows for use with various operator networks and can be activated remotely instead of at the point of purchase for a device. In theory, so a consumer could purchase an unactivated smartphone with an embedded SIM and later decide which carrier to use it with. remember for apple hardware is weight, this is a company whose latest mac book pro doesnt allow for memory upgrades unless you ship it back just so they can keep things light weight. that sim slot takes up space and resources as far as they are concerned.
there are many many use cases we havent even started thinking of. google around and you'll see how much work the GSMA has gone to ensure this works properly.
This battle between Apple and the carriers may be over for now. In the meantime, embedded SIM technology represents huge benefits to the “Internet of Things” or web-connected machines, gadgets and appliances that are use the web in a near autonomous method.
I think the key take way here should be it is possible.
Wash, no phone menu. remember the main application might not be on a phone. It could be something atop a mast or an ocean sensor.
gitau
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com>wrote:
I would assume that nanosim would not mean limiting which carrier to use but actually get you from being dependent on switchable physical sum, that you will be presented with switching options from within the phone menu.
Switching options from within the phone menu? I cannot imagine this, but I am not saying it is impossible. I just cannot imagine how you will move from NetworkA to NetworkB - which means changing numbers.... Well, maybe the MNOs will have the software to support it:
I can imagine it like:
1. Select Network 2. Enter your mobile number 3. Enter your Password
...and automagically you are registered on NetworkX with your number, but what about the SIM-based services, like M-Pesa??
Only thing of debate is whether this will allow for GSM and CDMA to be on one phone.
Hmm, cctually, with the little thinking I have put into this, I suppose this is the easiest to achieve. I did not yet see a GSM device work on CDMA network. However, there are those devices that are both CDMA/GSM. I believe for this, it *might* be as simple as mode switching!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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If the past 10 years have shown anything is that anything is possible and that change is inevitable. The SIM card is useful now but not necessarily for the next 5 years. It all takes a dominant player to stop using them then its all a matter of time till the rest follow suit. On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
most regulators are in telco's pockets:-) most cant see beyond what is available, and telcos are powerful when it comes to stifiling and protecting their interests. especially in organized markets. here bana cck is local, if apple decides to do it, cck wont do a thing and telcos will comply. i cant wait for the day they maybe decide to only do ipv6, enforce some qos etc...
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Phone manufacturers and CCK (I mean regulators worlwide) should pool resources to implement this. I don't know why they haven't realized this will stop phone thieves in their tracks! You steal a phone, it becomes useless to you.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
the first thing apple and google wanted to do was to not have a physical sim card. Apple was working with SIM-card manufacturer Gemalto to create an embedded SIM that could effectively bypass carrier control. Instead of carrier-specific data on such a SIM, for example, an embedded SIM allows for use with various operator networks and can be activated remotely instead of at the point of purchase for a device. In theory, so a consumer could purchase an unactivated smartphone with an embedded SIM and later decide which carrier to use it with. remember for apple hardware is weight, this is a company whose latest mac book pro doesnt allow for memory upgrades unless you ship it back just so they can keep things light weight. that sim slot takes up space and resources as far as they are concerned.
there are many many use cases we havent even started thinking of. google around and you'll see how much work the GSMA has gone to ensure this works properly.
This battle between Apple and the carriers may be over for now. In the meantime, embedded SIM technology represents huge benefits to the “Internet of Things” or web-connected machines, gadgets and appliances that are use the web in a near autonomous method.
I think the key take way here should be it is possible.
Wash, no phone menu. remember the main application might not be on a phone. It could be something atop a mast or an ocean sensor.
gitau
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com>wrote:
I would assume that nanosim would not mean limiting which carrier to use but actually get you from being dependent on switchable physical sum, that you will be presented with switching options from within the phone menu.
Switching options from within the phone menu? I cannot imagine this, but I am not saying it is impossible. I just cannot imagine how you will move from NetworkA to NetworkB - which means changing numbers.... Well, maybe the MNOs will have the software to support it:
I can imagine it like:
1. Select Network 2. Enter your mobile number 3. Enter your Password
...and automagically you are registered on NetworkX with your number, but what about the SIM-based services, like M-Pesa??
Only thing of debate is whether this will allow for GSM and CDMA to be on one phone.
Hmm, cctually, with the little thinking I have put into this, I suppose this is the easiest to achieve. I did not yet see a GSM device work on CDMA network. However, there are those devices that are both CDMA/GSM. I believe for this, it *might* be as simple as mode switching!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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The only issue which most operator's had issue with the Apple approach was that all activations and network changes was supposed to be done on iTunes - This was in essence just transferring control from the network operators to Apple. ./Ok3ch On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
If the past 10 years have shown anything is that anything is possible and that change is inevitable. The SIM card is useful now but not necessarily for the next 5 years. It all takes a dominant player to stop using them then its all a matter of time till the rest follow suit.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
most regulators are in telco's pockets:-) most cant see beyond what is available, and telcos are powerful when it comes to stifiling and protecting their interests. especially in organized markets. here bana cck is local, if apple decides to do it, cck wont do a thing and telcos will comply. i cant wait for the day they maybe decide to only do ipv6, enforce some qos etc...
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Phone manufacturers and CCK (I mean regulators worlwide) should pool resources to implement this. I don't know why they haven't realized this will stop phone thieves in their tracks! You steal a phone, it becomes useless to you.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
the first thing apple and google wanted to do was to not have a physical sim card. Apple was working with SIM-card manufacturer Gemalto to create an embedded SIM that could effectively bypass carrier control. Instead of carrier-specific data on such a SIM, for example, an embedded SIM allows for use with various operator networks and can be activated remotely instead of at the point of purchase for a device. In theory, so a consumer could purchase an unactivated smartphone with an embedded SIM and later decide which carrier to use it with. remember for apple hardware is weight, this is a company whose latest mac book pro doesnt allow for memory upgrades unless you ship it back just so they can keep things light weight. that sim slot takes up space and resources as far as they are concerned.
there are many many use cases we havent even started thinking of. google around and you'll see how much work the GSMA has gone to ensure this works properly.
This battle between Apple and the carriers may be over for now. In the meantime, embedded SIM technology represents huge benefits to the “Internet of Things” or web-connected machines, gadgets and appliances that are use the web in a near autonomous method.
I think the key take way here should be it is possible.
Wash, no phone menu. remember the main application might not be on a phone. It could be something atop a mast or an ocean sensor.
gitau
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com> wrote:
I would assume that nanosim would not mean limiting which carrier to use but actually get you from being dependent on switchable physical sum, that you will be presented with switching options from within the phone menu.
Switching options from within the phone menu? I cannot imagine this, but I am not saying it is impossible. I just cannot imagine how you will move from NetworkA to NetworkB - which means changing numbers.... Well, maybe the MNOs will have the software to support it:
I can imagine it like:
1. Select Network 2. Enter your mobile number 3. Enter your Password
...and automagically you are registered on NetworkX with your number, but what about the SIM-based services, like M-Pesa??
Only thing of debate is whether this will allow for GSM and CDMA to be on one phone.
Hmm, cctually, with the little thinking I have put into this, I suppose this is the easiest to achieve. I did not yet see a GSM device work on CDMA network. However, there are those devices that are both CDMA/GSM. I believe for this, it *might* be as simple as mode switching!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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And just a by the way, GSMA has secured an office at Bishop Bishop Magua building, the building that houses the iHub, donno whether this means anything. On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The only issue which most operator's had issue with the Apple approach was that all activations and network changes was supposed to be done on iTunes - This was in essence just transferring control from the network operators to Apple.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
If the past 10 years have shown anything is that anything is possible and that change is inevitable. The SIM card is useful now but not necessarily for the next 5 years. It all takes a dominant player to stop using them then its all a matter of time till the rest follow suit.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
most regulators are in telco's pockets:-) most cant see beyond what is available, and telcos are powerful when it comes to stifiling and
protecting
their interests. especially in organized markets. here bana cck is local, if apple decides to do it, cck wont do a thing and telcos will comply. i cant wait for the day they maybe decide to only do ipv6, enforce some qos etc...
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Phone manufacturers and CCK (I mean regulators worlwide) should pool resources to implement this. I don't know why they haven't realized
this
will stop phone thieves in their tracks! You steal a phone, it becomes useless to you.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
the first thing apple and google wanted to do was to not have a
physical
sim card. Apple was working with SIM-card manufacturer Gemalto to create an embedded SIM that could effectively bypass carrier control. Instead of carrier-specific data on such a SIM, for example, an embedded SIM allows for use with various operator networks and can be activated remotely instead of at the point of purchase for a device. In theory, so a consumer could purchase an unactivated smartphone with an embedded SIM and later decide which carrier to use it with. remember for apple hardware is weight, this is a company whose latest mac book pro doesnt allow for memory upgrades unless you ship it back just so they can keep things light weight. that sim slot takes up space and resources as far as they are concerned.
there are many many use cases we havent even started thinking of. google around and you'll see how much work the GSMA has gone to ensure this works properly.
This battle between Apple and the carriers may be over for now. In the meantime, embedded SIM technology represents huge benefits to the “Internet of Things” or web-connected machines, gadgets and appliances that are use the web in a near autonomous method.
I think the key take way here should be it is possible.
Wash, no phone menu. remember the main application might not be on a phone. It could be something atop a mast or an ocean sensor.
gitau
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com
wrote: > > I would assume that nanosim would not mean limiting which carrier to > use but actually get you from being dependent on switchable physical > sum, that you will be presented with switching options from within the > phone menu.
Switching options from within the phone menu? I cannot imagine this, but I am not saying it is impossible. I just cannot imagine how you will move from NetworkA to NetworkB - which means changing numbers.... Well, maybe the MNOs will have the software to support it:
I can imagine it like:
1. Select Network 2. Enter your mobile number 3. Enter your Password
...and automagically you are registered on NetworkX with your number, but what about the SIM-based services, like M-Pesa??
> > Only thing of debate is whether this will allow for GSM and CDMA to be > on one phone.
Hmm, cctually, with the little thinking I have put into this, I suppose this is the easiest to achieve. I did not yet see a GSM device work on CDMA network. However, there are those devices that are both CDMA/GSM. I believe for this, it *might* be as simple as mode switching!
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@ Martin, it might mean a lot...in the sense that GSMA has seen Kenya is serious technology hub in this region, it might be possible to drive lots of its agendas from here... On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com> wrote:
And just a by the way, GSMA has secured an office at Bishop Bishop Magua building, the building that houses the iHub, donno whether this means anything.
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The only issue which most operator's had issue with the Apple approach was that all activations and network changes was supposed to be done on iTunes - This was in essence just transferring control from the network operators to Apple.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
If the past 10 years have shown anything is that anything is possible and that change is inevitable. The SIM card is useful now but not necessarily for the next 5 years. It all takes a dominant player to stop using them then its all a matter of time till the rest follow suit.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
most regulators are in telco's pockets:-) most cant see beyond what is available, and telcos are powerful when it comes to stifiling and
protecting
their interests. especially in organized markets. here bana cck is local, if apple decides to do it, cck wont do a thing and telcos will comply. i cant wait for the day they maybe decide to only do ipv6, enforce some qos etc...
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Phone manufacturers and CCK (I mean regulators worlwide) should pool resources to implement this. I don't know why they haven't realized
this
will stop phone thieves in their tracks! You steal a phone, it becomes useless to you.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
the first thing apple and google wanted to do was to not have a
physical
sim card. Apple was working with SIM-card manufacturer Gemalto to create an embedded SIM that could effectively bypass carrier control. Instead of carrier-specific data on such a SIM, for example, an embedded SIM allows for use with various operator networks and can be activated remotely instead of at the point of purchase for a device. In theory, so a consumer could purchase an unactivated smartphone with an embedded SIM and later decide which carrier to use it with. remember for apple hardware is weight, this is a company whose latest mac book pro doesnt allow for memory upgrades unless you ship it back just so they can keep things light weight. that sim slot takes up space and resources as far as they are concerned.
there are many many use cases we havent even started thinking of. google around and you'll see how much work the GSMA has gone to ensure this works properly.
This battle between Apple and the carriers may be over for now. In the meantime, embedded SIM technology represents huge benefits to the “Internet of Things” or web-connected machines, gadgets and appliances that are use the web in a near autonomous method.
I think the key take way here should be it is possible.
Wash, no phone menu. remember the main application might not be on a phone. It could be something atop a mast or an ocean sensor.
gitau
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Martin Gicheru < martin@techweez.com> > wrote: >> >> I would assume that nanosim would not mean limiting which carrier to >> use but actually get you from being dependent on switchable physical >> sum, that you will be presented with switching options from within the >> phone menu. > > > Switching options from within the phone menu? I cannot imagine this, > but I am not saying it is impossible. I just cannot imagine how you will > move from NetworkA to NetworkB - which means changing numbers.... Well, > maybe the MNOs will have the software to support it: > > I can imagine it like: > > 1. Select Network > 2. Enter your mobile number > 3. Enter your Password > > ...and automagically you are registered on NetworkX with your number, > but what about the SIM-based services, like M-Pesa?? > > > >> >> Only thing of debate is whether this will allow for GSM and CDMA to be >> on one phone. > > > Hmm, cctually, with the little thinking I have put into this, I suppose > this is the easiest to achieve. I did not yet see a GSM device work on CDMA > network. However, there are those devices that are both CDMA/GSM. I believe > for this, it *might* be as simple as mode switching! > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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