On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

The only issue which most operator's had issue with the Apple approach
was that all activations and network changes was supposed to be done
on iTunes - This was in essence just transferring control from the
network operators to Apple.

./Ok3ch

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
> If the past 10 years have shown anything is that anything is possible and
> that change is inevitable. The SIM card is useful now but not necessarily
> for the next 5 years. It all takes a dominant player to stop using them then
> its all a matter of time till the rest follow suit.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> most regulators are in telco's pockets:-) most cant see beyond what is
>> available, and telcos are powerful when it comes to stifiling and protecting
>> their interests. especially in organized markets. here bana cck is local, if
>> apple decides to do it, cck wont do a thing and telcos will comply. i cant
>> wait for the day they maybe decide to only do ipv6, enforce some qos etc...
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Phone manufacturers and CCK (I mean regulators worlwide) should pool
>>> resources to implement this. I don't know why they haven't realized this
>>> will stop phone thieves in their tracks! You steal a phone, it becomes
>>> useless to you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> the first thing apple and google wanted to do was to not have a physical
>>>> sim card. Apple was working with SIM-card manufacturer Gemalto to create an
>>>> embedded SIM that could effectively bypass carrier control. Instead of
>>>> carrier-specific data on such a SIM, for example, an embedded SIM allows for
>>>> use with various operator networks and can be activated remotely instead of
>>>> at the point of purchase for a device. In theory, so a consumer could
>>>> purchase an unactivated smartphone with an embedded SIM and later decide
>>>> which carrier to use it with. remember for apple hardware is weight, this is
>>>> a company whose latest mac book pro doesnt allow for memory upgrades unless
>>>> you ship it back just so they can keep things light weight. that sim slot
>>>> takes up space and resources as far as they are concerned.
>>>>
>>>> there are many many use cases we havent even started thinking of. google
>>>> around and you'll see how much work the GSMA has gone to ensure this works
>>>> properly.
>>>>
>>>> This battle between Apple and the carriers may be over for now. In the
>>>> meantime, embedded SIM technology represents huge benefits to the “Internet
>>>> of Things” or web-connected machines, gadgets and appliances that are use
>>>> the web in a near autonomous method.
>>>>
>>>> I think the key take way here should be it is possible.
>>>>
>>>> Wash, no phone menu. remember the main application might not be on a
>>>> phone. It could be something atop a mast or an ocean sensor.
>>>>
>>>> gitau
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington
>>>> <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would assume that nanosim would not mean limiting which carrier to
>>>>>> use but actually get you from being dependent on switchable physical
>>>>>> sum, that you will be presented with switching options from within the
>>>>>> phone menu.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Switching options from within the phone menu? I cannot imagine this,
>>>>> but I am not saying it is impossible. I just cannot imagine how you will
>>>>> move from NetworkA to NetworkB - which means changing numbers.... Well,
>>>>> maybe the MNOs will have the software to support it:
>>>>>
>>>>> I can imagine it like:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Select Network
>>>>> 2. Enter your mobile number
>>>>> 3. Enter your Password
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and automagically you are registered on NetworkX with your number,
>>>>> but what about the SIM-based services, like M-Pesa??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only thing of debate is whether this will allow for GSM and CDMA to be
>>>>>> on one phone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm, cctually, with the little thinking I have put into this, I suppose
>>>>> this is the easiest to achieve. I did not yet see a GSM device work on CDMA
>>>>> network. However, there are those devices that are both CDMA/GSM. I believe
>>>>> for this, it *might* be as simple as mode switching!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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