@Areba. You know i agree with you. @David. Whilst i agree with you pointing out these companies, i believe since we are a tech comm. And i would like to hope we are a transparent tech comm. You should not be afraid to name them. You say a certain Royal Media Company, I say The Royal Media Group. You mentioned Queen bee and the third was an advertising firm. I don't know about others but being partially involved in the Design / Media field i am grateful that you have brought about this topic. I would like the name of the third company if you are comfortable divulging this information. If not, Off-List it and i'll mention their name here as well as on Social networks to ensure that the Designers and Creatives i work with are aware of the predicament they may be coming close in to. Let us / me know so that we are open and clear about this. Best, Watchman. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

all i can say is:

Rule No 1: Never trust anyone.

Rule No 2: Never trust anyone.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:52 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I had a very interesting encounter with individuals involved in the advertising, music and entertainment industry and I came out with a very stern warning. Never ever share your ideas with any of the following companies: -

A Certain Royal Media company - There are numerous incidents where people have gone to them to present their original program ideas, they are told to wait for management to decision,only for them to see their programs running under different names such examples wedding show, Nairobi Law etc to mention afew.

Queen Bee -Need I say more?

A listed Advertising Company - Close associates of Queen Bee, and The Media Company they command so much clout that they feel indestructible. They also did the Safaricom AD and yes the brief was done with a copy of the Quantas AD.

This warning also includes sharing the same ideas with employees of the companies, and their families. Basically, they ask is Utado? consider yourself warned.

Kiania D.

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Error and Omission found as far back as Feb 2007 ;-) http://mjengakenya.blogspot.com/2007/02/scangroups-50-stake-in-redsky.html ScanGroup's 50% stake in RedSky Just for our records, I have copied and pasted this from Dyer & Blair's website. "SCANGROUP ACQUIRES 50% STAKE IN REDSKY Scangroup Limited has acquired a 50% stake in Redsky, a local advertising company. It has also entered into a further agreement to acquire a further 35% of Redsky subject to no regulatory approvals being required, according to the Chairman of the Board of Directors, Mr. David Hutchison. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Brainiac <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

@watchman I think we all know the two other companies... Safaricom and the media company behind the niko na safaricom ad (which by the way for all intents and purposes is a GREEEEAT ad, quantas or no quantas) is Redsky.

E&OE.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com>wrote:

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@Areba. You know i agree with you. @David. Whilst i agree with you pointing out these companies, i believe since we are a tech comm. And i would like to hope we are a transparent tech comm. You should not be afraid to name them. You say a certain Royal Media Company, I say The Royal Media Group. You mentioned Queen bee and the third was an advertising firm.

I don't know about others but being partially involved in the Design / Media field i am grateful that you have brought about this topic. I would like the name of the third company if you are comfortable divulging this information. If not, Off-List it and i'll mention their name here as well as on Social networks to ensure that the Designers and Creatives i work with are aware of the predicament they may be coming close in to.

Let us / me know so that we are open and clear about this.

Best,

Watchman.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

...

all i can say is:

Rule No 1: Never trust anyone.

Rule No 2: Never trust anyone.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:52 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I had a very interesting encounter with individuals involved in the advertising, music and entertainment industry and I came out with a very stern warning. Never ever share your ideas with any of the following companies: -

A Certain Royal Media company - There are numerous incidents where people have gone to them to present their original program ideas, they are told to wait for management to decision,only for them to see their programs running under different names such examples wedding show, Nairobi Law etc to mention afew.

Queen Bee -Need I say more?

A listed Advertising Company - Close associates of Queen Bee, and The Media Company they command so much clout that they feel indestructible. They also did the Safaricom AD and yes the brief was done with a copy of the Quantas AD.

This warning also includes sharing the same ideas with employees of the companies, and their families. Basically, they ask is Utado? consider yourself warned.

Kiania D.

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On the same issue, i heard from Grapevine that Queen Bee is very pissed off with a certain Equity. After getting into an exclusive deal for M-tommorrow product, a certain equity goes ahead and sells to chungwa the same idea as chungwa money....... What goes around comes around.... The important question is, when you have an idea where you obviously need the might and power of this powerhouses in their respectve industries, how do you protect yourself? On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:43 AM, henry kamabi <hkamabi@gmail.com> wrote:

david's omission would save him alot of trouble,like hw would one corner him tht he mentioned unpleasant things abt this n so media? Non would. Like aiptel used green n said no terms and condition,nobody would go to court abt it.they playd safe.lets learn to play safe,its safer.

Thanks, henry

On 11/23/10, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Areba. You know i agree with you. @David. Whilst i agree with you pointing out these companies, i believe since we are a tech comm. And i would like to hope we are a transparent tech comm. You should not be afraid to name them. You say a certain Royal Media Company, I say The Royal Media Group. You mentioned Queen bee and the third was an advertising firm.

I don't know about others but being partially involved in the Design / Media field i am grateful that you have brought about this topic. I would like the name of the third company if you are comfortable divulging this information. If not, Off-List it and i'll mention their name here as well as on Social networks to ensure that the Designers and Creatives i work with are aware of the predicament they may be coming close in to.

Let us / me know so that we are open and clear about this.

Best,

Watchman.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

...

all i can say is:

Rule No 1: Never trust anyone.

Rule No 2: Never trust anyone.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:52 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I had a very interesting encounter with individuals involved in the advertising, music and entertainment industry and I came out with a very stern warning. Never ever share your ideas with any of the following companies: -

A Certain Royal Media company - There are numerous incidents where people have gone to them to present their original program ideas, they are told to wait for management to decision,only for them to see their programs running under different names such examples wedding show, Nairobi Law etc to mention afew.

Queen Bee -Need I say more?

A listed Advertising Company - Close associates of Queen Bee, and The Media Company they command so much clout that they feel indestructible. They also did the Safaricom AD and yes the brief was done with a copy of the Quantas AD.

This warning also includes sharing the same ideas with employees of the companies, and their families. Basically, they ask is Utado? consider yourself warned.

Kiania D.

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On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:

I second you on the Nairobi Law rip off. it is such a shame that a few people can stifle creativity. If the media houses would buy these ideas even at break even cost, then we would see brilliant productions on TV instead of substandard programmes which we are forced to accept in the name of promoting local content.

Now that the lid on the can has been partially lifted ... It was on the grapevine too: A certain TV station used to air a certain program regarding Questions to School children, which went in rounds. The person who conceived the original idea just couldn't believe it, as he was still "waiting for management to make a decision" on the idea, "only for them to see their programs running under different names" -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!

Well, a certain university Dean is credited with a wonderful idea of starting a university radio station, As he wenta round shaking diplomats hands, the Student who came up with the idea was still holed up in his room with the initial radio equipment he made from scratch.

@Goeff. "This is Kenya" Simply says you've given up. I say let's get our asses working on what we want Kenya to be! stop being having a defeatist attitude. If the rest of Kenya can perform without us, why can't we perform without them? Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is? Watchman. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:32 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:

in my view this is kenya , first dont trust anyone secondly make sure when you are sharing an idea make the other party be ware they can benefit from your idea but they need to give you a kick back.... else the solution will be copyrighting your ideas...but hey once again this is kenya where the heck do you do that!!!?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

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sometimes when i lack sleep at night, i watch CNN, aljazeera etc to bore myself to sleep....anyway one of the the things i have noticed is that in some countries, the citizens are no nonsense...if you raise the price of say a loaf of bread without any justification (Fuel marketers)...you are in trouble...the guys will protest and do mass action till something happens..in kenya i guess we just accept things as they come....we need more atwoli's......this they do even in smaller levels in the village etc... On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:

"Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?"

@Watchman, just elaborate how this would begin. Queen Bee et al can afford to copy paste right left and center. with an Utado attitude!

On 11/23/10, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Goeff.

"This is Kenya" Simply says you've given up. I say let's get our asses working on what we want Kenya to be! stop being having a defeatist attitude.

If the rest of Kenya can perform without us, why can't we perform without them?

Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?

Watchman.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:32 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:

...

in my view this is kenya , first dont trust anyone secondly make sure when you are sharing an idea make the other party be ware they can benefit from your idea but they need to give you a kick back.... else the solution will be copyrighting your ideas...but hey once again this is kenya where the heck do you do that!!!?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Well, a certain university Dean is credited with a wonderful idea of starting a university radio station, As he wenta round shaking diplomats hands, the Student who came up with the idea was still holed up in his room with the initial radio equipment he made from scratch. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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On 23/11/2010, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:

Question is, what constitutes an original idea? Is it something that has never been done in Kenya or the world?

Original idea, IMHO, means something that has never been done in some locale or in the world. If you look at Qantas ad and Safcom's Niko na Safaricom, there is a thin line between the two in terms of differences. Just look at them critically. For example the mobile payment

systems that all the mobile companies use in Kenya had you stepped up to Queen B and they told you blah blah they do it and the others copy it with modifications or enhancements to your idea is that theft?

On mobile phone payments, the difference is how they are integrating wider customer base, in terms of M-payment and e-commerce etc

There are guys who have spent some time out of the country and have seen shows on TV that they come and try and sell as there ideas what would be the outcome then if they did it but did not pay up?

Good question here. You've reminded me of the ads in Tuskys screens which it are a cut paste from 'Just for Laughs' and 'PopCorn Tv'. As long as the program/idea has some originality, then no dispute can arise.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:

...

"Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?"

@Watchman, just elaborate how this would begin. Queen Bee et al can afford to copy paste right left and center. with an Utado attitude!

On 11/23/10, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Goeff.

"This is Kenya" Simply says you've given up. I say let's get our asses working on what we want Kenya to be! stop being having a defeatist attitude.

If the rest of Kenya can perform without us, why can't we perform without them?

Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?

Watchman.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:32 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:

...

in my view this is kenya , first dont trust anyone secondly make sure when you are sharing an idea make the other party be ware they can benefit from your idea but they need to give you a kick back.... else the solution will be copyrighting your ideas...but hey once again this is kenya where the heck do you do that!!!?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Well, a certain university Dean is credited with a wonderful idea of starting a university radio station, As he wenta round shaking diplomats hands, the Student who came up with the idea was still holed up in his room with the initial radio equipment he made from scratch. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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I once was in such a position early in 2008,persued the case,had threats from all corners,even sought some help from the very offices many of us talk about. but guess what..one of the guys sent to me told me that you never give the gold to the miners.And tried to persuade me, to stop caring about the matter and instead try to come up with something more advanced than what I had at the time.he even told me about diplomatic arm twisting a phrase i didnt understand untill much later. and before I knew it, the system was sold off to a UN body in phillipines.skunkers I was here and many of you were here. I think salvation will only come if there is an NGO that can fund innovations/ideas independently. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:

Question is, what constitutes an original idea? Is it something that has never been done in Kenya or the world? For example the mobile payment systems that all the mobile companies use in Kenya had you stepped up to Queen B and they told you blah blah they do it and the others copy it with modifications or enhancements to your idea is that theft?

There are guys who have spent some time out of the country and have seen shows on TV that they come and try and sell as there ideas what would be the outcome then if they did it but did not pay up?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:

...

"Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?"

@Watchman, just elaborate how this would begin. Queen Bee et al can afford to copy paste right left and center. with an Utado attitude!

On 11/23/10, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Goeff.

"This is Kenya" Simply says you've given up. I say let's get our asses working on what we want Kenya to be! stop being having a defeatist attitude.

If the rest of Kenya can perform without us, why can't we perform without them?

Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?

Watchman.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:32 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:

...

in my view this is kenya , first dont trust anyone secondly make sure when you are sharing an idea make the other party be ware they can benefit from your idea but they need to give you a kick back.... else the solution will be copyrighting your ideas...but hey once again this is kenya where the heck do you do that!!!?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Well, a certain university Dean is credited with a wonderful idea of starting a university radio station, As he wenta round shaking diplomats hands, the Student who came up with the idea was still holed up in his room with the initial radio equipment he made from scratch. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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Ndemo also talked of companies stealing ideas during the opening session of the CIO 100 Forum last week. He said that we needed Ethics in IT in Kenya

it goes like this: (from the social network movie) you came to me with an idea but i had a better one. -- Regards, Erastus Gichuhi +254733725373 @gisho Nairobi Kenya

@maina martin check out www.humanipo.com. They put investors and people with ideas together to bring these ideas to life. No stealing of ideas, just an agreement on equity for the funders. They actually held a meet at strathmore some time back under the title IPO48. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:

@kris

Let me give you a quick overview about Nairobi Law. My partner in business approached citizen with an idea for a law programme in which real kenyan cases will be dramatised on TV. well, while my friend was waiting for feedback he saw nairobi law on TV!!! which was a hurried and poorly done version of what he had proposed. He later did be the judge which aired on KTN and everyone thought he was the dubbist.

So here we see a genuine idea that was copied and the creator of the idea not compensated.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Question is, what constitutes an original idea? Is it something that has never been done in Kenya or the world? For example the mobile payment systems that all the mobile companies use in Kenya had you stepped up to Queen B and they told you blah blah they do it and the others copy it with modifications or enhancements to your idea is that theft?

There are guys who have spent some time out of the country and have seen shows on TV that they come and try and sell as there ideas what would be the outcome then if they did it but did not pay up?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:

...

"Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?"

@Watchman, just elaborate how this would begin. Queen Bee et al can afford to copy paste right left and center. with an Utado attitude!

On 11/23/10, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Goeff.

"This is Kenya" Simply says you've given up. I say let's get our asses working on what we want Kenya to be! stop being having a defeatist attitude.

If the rest of Kenya can perform without us, why can't we perform without them?

Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?

Watchman.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:32 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:

...

in my view this is kenya , first dont trust anyone secondly make sure when you are sharing an idea make the other party be ware they can benefit from your idea but they need to give you a kick back.... else the solution will be copyrighting your ideas...but hey once again this is kenya where the heck do you do that!!!?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

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Very well said Rad. See http://the99percent.com for details of an execution-oriented approach to ideas. Creativity & Innovation is 1% ideas and 99% execution. Ask Thomas Edison. On 11/23/10, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

The trouble with this whole business is that everyone fondly believes their idea is unique and has never been thought of before. Most of the time this is simply not the case.

You cannot protect your idea. There are 6 billion+ other brains on this planet. Chances of someone else thinking of the same thing are very high.

What you can protect however is your execution.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:

...

@maina martin check out www.humanipo.com. They put investors and people with ideas together to bring these ideas to life. No stealing of ideas, just an agreement on equity for the funders.

They actually held a meet at strathmore some time back under the title IPO48.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:

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@kris

Let me give you a quick overview about Nairobi Law. My partner in business approached citizen with an idea for a law programme in which real kenyan cases will be dramatised on TV. well, while my friend was waiting for feedback he saw nairobi law on TV!!! which was a hurried and poorly done version of what he had proposed. He later did be the judge which aired on KTN and everyone thought he was the dubbist.

So here we see a genuine idea that was copied and the creator of the idea not compensated.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:

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Question is, what constitutes an original idea? Is it something that has never been done in Kenya or the world? For example the mobile payment systems that all the mobile companies use in Kenya had you stepped up to Queen B and they told you blah blah they do it and the others copy it with modifications or enhancements to your idea is that theft?

There are guys who have spent some time out of the country and have seen shows on TV that they come and try and sell as there ideas what would be the outcome then if they did it but did not pay up?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:

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"Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?"

@Watchman, just elaborate how this would begin. Queen Bee et al can afford to copy paste right left and center. with an Utado attitude!

On 11/23/10, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Goeff.

"This is Kenya" Simply says you've given up. I say let's get our asses working on what we want Kenya to be! stop being having a defeatist attitude.

If the rest of Kenya can perform without us, why can't we perform without them?

Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?

Watchman.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:32 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:

> in my view this is kenya , first dont trust anyone secondly make > sure when > you are sharing an idea make the other party be ware they can > benefit from > your idea but they need to give you a kick back.... else the > solution will > be copyrighting your ideas...but hey once again this is kenya where the > heck > do you do that!!!? > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, a certain university Dean is credited with a wonderful idea >> of >> starting a university radio station, As he wenta round shaking diplomats >> hands, the Student who came up with the idea was still holed up in his >> room >> with the initial radio equipment he made from scratch. >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > GG > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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I dont know about you guys but if i sit down and put my idea into writing and even come up with a prototype or a pilot and present it to you because you have financial or influential muscle, then you turn around and present my idea as yours then you have stolen my idea. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:

*What you can protect however is your execution.*

Quite succinctly put by Rad.

Perhaps we should focus on how to protect executed ideas (products and services), as opposed to the theory of them.

If you have mentioned an idea to someone without executing it, and someone beats you to the execution, would you really be able to prove that you had the original idea?

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@ Nicholas have seen the KTN show and if it premiered after the Citizen one then off course everyone would think it was dubbed from them. As Rad put it the execution of the idea is what really matters and in your friends case he already had a script and a demo then i think then we can say the idea was his and he just needs to prove it. Does that mean then that no other station can do a show similar to his with changes here and there? What about applications at what stage would you acquire a patent for it? would it be a finished product or... As others on the list have said, it boils down to *DONT *trust anybody, work on your idea and get it protected before showing it to anyone else. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Joshua Twinamasiko G. <josht@joshtwin.com>wrote:

I think if you have even made a prototype you are different from someone who shares his thoughts with the company.

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I dont know about you guys but if i sit down and put my idea into writing and even come up with a prototype or a pilot and present it to you because you have financial or influential muscle, then you turn around and present my idea as yours then you have stolen my idea.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com>wrote:

...

*What you can protect however is your execution.*

Quite succinctly put by Rad.

Perhaps we should focus on how to protect executed ideas (products and services), as opposed to the theory of them.

If you have mentioned an idea to someone without executing it, and someone beats you to the execution, would you really be able to prove that you had the original idea?

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The concept is pretty much the same, that's why i asked about when the same concept is done differently can you then say they stole your idea. Be the judge and Vioja Mahakamani are both the cut from the same cloth but the presentation style are different but they are both about the law. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:59 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:

There is a problem I have with this idea of "theory" and "execution" argument: * * *Case and Point*: You come up with an idea in theory; a company likes it and says they need a demo.

Lets say its a programming system you create in C++

You break your back and create the demo. They bring their "best minds" to absorb as much as they can from the demo so they see how your idea actually works. Then they tell you that they are waiting for the 'management decision'.

Since the company has muscle power (money and all); these "best minds" recruit "beautiful minds"; they describe your system; and fund them to create the same system; but they insist that the new developers use "Java" (for example).

And since they paid for development to these new "beautiful minds" ; then the company now owns the system.

What do you do in such cases? You knew that you cudnt get an audience (or contract) without showing what you can do.. and once you let out your idea,, its out,, and the best you can do is hope they dont try to Screw you!

=== This is the scenario in most of these conflicts; but my thoughts are, instead of trying to screw up the 'small man' out of 3 million shillings (someone adding value) ; when you can spend 80 million on some stupid advertisements;

Why not as a company negotiate with these new individuals; pay them off; or keep them relevant during the development process (cos the person who came up with the idea has much more insights on how far the whole thing can go) - And everyone is happy !!!?

*Else this is what I see playing out*: You screw someone, or you screw a bunch of people; these people shy away and rumors begin to spread e.g "Orange is better than QB for preserving ideas"... "Or KTN is better than CTV to develop TV programs"

And since the "creative team" was kinda poor in the first place and was just ripping off ideas,, people stop coming to bring ideas. The ideas these companies have stolen may lose their flavor, or get competition after a few years.

Meanwhile; the people good at coming up with ideas continue coming up with other ideas; but they will avoid those companies that have become "*inclined planes wrapped helically around an axis for a number of turns*" (screws) [?]

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vioja, boston legal etc are fictional. The original idea here was to re enact real cases from the Kenyan law courts. Now citizen ran off with the idea and with Nairobi law they watered down the idea by adding some office drama in it. And that is why be the judge is all about the cases. The vision is to enlighten kenyans on the judicial system and how judgments are arrived at especially on sensitive issues like inheritance, corruption etc. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

@All.

I speak from experiences similar to Aki's with the car seat alarm. In the 90's ( albeit late 90's ) i was amongst the pioneers in KE with Flash technology and animation. With this, Tanzania had even fewer thus forth, i presented myself in 2001 to a company in TZ which no longer exists, i think it was called something similar to the Priting Hub. The idea was an ad for Coke. I was young. And was fresh. They were "family friends" so the concept of trust never arose.

The idea was never good enough for them. A week later, it was on TV. Actualized and paid for. Needless to say. I consulted legal matters but they had muscle.

I have not walked in to a meeting thus far after that without and i will stress this very strongly. Not without an NDA signed. This is a very powerful document that gives you: the Creative / the Idea person strength.

I agree that 99% of what we think of is recycled ideas 1% is Creative new Ideas. But so what? you have the current idea. Go for it. Take an NDA, get it signed. and when you get taken advantage of, it'll be your best friend. It's the same as a prenup at a wedding. Cover your rear end.

Once your NDA is signed, get a sign off in place for all your meetings with your client. That way you'll be saying 2 things. 1. You're a professional 2. You're a professional that can't be played around with.

This has been my model of working for the past few years.

I will try and be more descriptive and also have my contracts forwarded on the list for the benefit of the group.

When i said why can't we as like minded individuals survive. I meant quite simply, why do we need to support large corporates when we can work on our own?

I for example may not be a big firm but have a Design, Photo, Video and Web agency. My core focus is on quality.

How many people here are for Quality?

Watchman.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:59 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:

...

There is a problem I have with this idea of "theory" and "execution" argument: * * *Case and Point*: You come up with an idea in theory; a company likes it and says they need a demo.

Lets say its a programming system you create in C++

You break your back and create the demo. They bring their "best minds" to absorb as much as they can from the demo so they see how your idea actually works. Then they tell you that they are waiting for the 'management decision'.

Since the company has muscle power (money and all); these "best minds" recruit "beautiful minds"; they describe your system; and fund them to create the same system; but they insist that the new developers use "Java" (for example).

And since they paid for development to these new "beautiful minds" ; then the company now owns the system.

What do you do in such cases? You knew that you cudnt get an audience (or contract) without showing what you can do.. and once you let out your idea,, its out,, and the best you can do is hope they dont try to Screw you!

=== This is the scenario in most of these conflicts; but my thoughts are, instead of trying to screw up the 'small man' out of 3 million shillings (someone adding value) ; when you can spend 80 million on some stupid advertisements;

Why not as a company negotiate with these new individuals; pay them off; or keep them relevant during the development process (cos the person who came up with the idea has much more insights on how far the whole thing can go) - And everyone is happy !!!?

*Else this is what I see playing out*: You screw someone, or you screw a bunch of people; these people shy away and rumors begin to spread e.g "Orange is better than QB for preserving ideas"... "Or KTN is better than CTV to develop TV programs"

And since the "creative team" was kinda poor in the first place and was just ripping off ideas,, people stop coming to bring ideas. The ideas these companies have stolen may lose their flavor, or get competition after a few years.

Meanwhile; the people good at coming up with ideas continue coming up with other ideas; but they will avoid those companies that have become "*inclined planes wrapped helically around an axis for a number of turns*" (screws) [?]

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@Nicholas just because u have an idea doesnt make it yours , naiobilaw court its an idea based on many other ideas in foreign countries Kenyan steal ideas from foreign tv shows then claim the ideas is there and original ,... On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:

vioja, boston legal etc are fictional. The original idea here was to re enact real cases from the Kenyan law courts. Now citizen ran off with the idea and with Nairobi law they watered down the idea by adding some office drama in it. And that is why be the judge is all about the cases. The vision is to enlighten kenyans on the judicial system and how judgments are arrived at especially on sensitive issues like inheritance, corruption etc.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@All.

I speak from experiences similar to Aki's with the car seat alarm. In the 90's ( albeit late 90's ) i was amongst the pioneers in KE with Flash technology and animation. With this, Tanzania had even fewer thus forth, i presented myself in 2001 to a company in TZ which no longer exists, i think it was called something similar to the Priting Hub. The idea was an ad for Coke. I was young. And was fresh. They were "family friends" so the concept of trust never arose.

The idea was never good enough for them. A week later, it was on TV. Actualized and paid for. Needless to say. I consulted legal matters but they had muscle.

I have not walked in to a meeting thus far after that without and i will stress this very strongly. Not without an NDA signed. This is a very powerful document that gives you: the Creative / the Idea person strength.

I agree that 99% of what we think of is recycled ideas 1% is Creative new Ideas. But so what? you have the current idea. Go for it. Take an NDA, get it signed. and when you get taken advantage of, it'll be your best friend. It's the same as a prenup at a wedding. Cover your rear end.

Once your NDA is signed, get a sign off in place for all your meetings with your client. That way you'll be saying 2 things. 1. You're a professional 2. You're a professional that can't be played around with.

This has been my model of working for the past few years.

I will try and be more descriptive and also have my contracts forwarded on the list for the benefit of the group.

When i said why can't we as like minded individuals survive. I meant quite simply, why do we need to support large corporates when we can work on our own?

I for example may not be a big firm but have a Design, Photo, Video and Web agency. My core focus is on quality.

How many people here are for Quality?

Watchman.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:59 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:

...

There is a problem I have with this idea of "theory" and "execution" argument: * * *Case and Point*: You come up with an idea in theory; a company likes it and says they need a demo.

Lets say its a programming system you create in C++

You break your back and create the demo. They bring their "best minds" to absorb as much as they can from the demo so they see how your idea actually works. Then they tell you that they are waiting for the 'management decision'.

Since the company has muscle power (money and all); these "best minds" recruit "beautiful minds"; they describe your system; and fund them to create the same system; but they insist that the new developers use "Java" (for example).

And since they paid for development to these new "beautiful minds" ; then the company now owns the system.

What do you do in such cases? You knew that you cudnt get an audience (or contract) without showing what you can do.. and once you let out your idea,, its out,, and the best you can do is hope they dont try to Screw you!

=== This is the scenario in most of these conflicts; but my thoughts are, instead of trying to screw up the 'small man' out of 3 million shillings (someone adding value) ; when you can spend 80 million on some stupid advertisements;

Why not as a company negotiate with these new individuals; pay them off; or keep them relevant during the development process (cos the person who came up with the idea has much more insights on how far the whole thing can go) - And everyone is happy !!!?

*Else this is what I see playing out*: You screw someone, or you screw a bunch of people; these people shy away and rumors begin to spread e.g "Orange is better than QB for preserving ideas"... "Or KTN is better than CTV to develop TV programs"

And since the "creative team" was kinda poor in the first place and was just ripping off ideas,, people stop coming to bring ideas. The ideas these companies have stolen may lose their flavor, or get competition after a few years.

Meanwhile; the people good at coming up with ideas continue coming up with other ideas; but they will avoid those companies that have become " *inclined planes wrapped helically around an axis for a number of turns*" (screws) [?]

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I think execution is everything. 2 years ago I met a friend who we discussed at length the idea of starting an sms based lottery.Same concept as 6969. We did lots of ground work ....but along the way my friend lost focus and abandoned the project. Fast Forward 2010.....6969,2929,6768.....................6666.....9999....etc Can my friend claim that the Idea was originally his and start making noise that xyz stole my idea? Case 2: A company X wanted to automated their systems,they even get a demo from a company in Germany.Now they call a local IT consultant to look at the system they are about to purchase from Germany.After 1 year of back and forth Company X does not implement the system. Meanwhile the local IT consultants..after understanding how the German Technology works,partners with a coder,they make a similar and better system..start a company...takes most of the customers of company X.Can company X cry foul that the local consultant stole their system or idea,if they did not implement?Maybe/maybe not. If it is a tv program....start a blog site ...where people can see the program......so when you take it to the station...it is already public knowledge that the idea is originally yours. Again if it is Nairobi Law......is that idea original? At what point will you say that they stole your idea? On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:59 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:

There is a problem I have with this idea of "theory" and "execution" argument: * * *Case and Point*: You come up with an idea in theory; a company likes it and says they need a demo.

Lets say its a programming system you create in C++

You break your back and create the demo. They bring their "best minds" to absorb as much as they can from the demo so they see how your idea actually works. Then they tell you that they are waiting for the 'management decision'.

Since the company has muscle power (money and all); these "best minds" recruit "beautiful minds"; they describe your system; and fund them to create the same system; but they insist that the new developers use "Java" (for example).

And since they paid for development to these new "beautiful minds" ; then the company now owns the system.

What do you do in such cases? You knew that you cudnt get an audience (or contract) without showing what you can do.. and once you let out your idea,, its out,, and the best you can do is hope they dont try to Screw you!

=== This is the scenario in most of these conflicts; but my thoughts are, instead of trying to screw up the 'small man' out of 3 million shillings (someone adding value) ; when you can spend 80 million on some stupid advertisements;

Why not as a company negotiate with these new individuals; pay them off; or keep them relevant during the development process (cos the person who came up with the idea has much more insights on how far the whole thing can go) - And everyone is happy !!!?

*Else this is what I see playing out*: You screw someone, or you screw a bunch of people; these people shy away and rumors begin to spread e.g "Orange is better than QB for preserving ideas"... "Or KTN is better than CTV to develop TV programs"

And since the "creative team" was kinda poor in the first place and was just ripping off ideas,, people stop coming to bring ideas. The ideas these companies have stolen may lose their flavor, or get competition after a few years.

Meanwhile; the people good at coming up with ideas continue coming up with other ideas; but they will avoid those companies that have become "*inclined planes wrapped helically around an axis for a number of turns*" (screws) [?]

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I'm not getting how this was an orgiinal idea. What about - Vioja Mahakamani - The Practice - Boston Legal - LA Law - Ally McBeal - etc - etc - etc On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:

@kris

Let me give you a quick overview about Nairobi Law. My partner in business approached citizen with an idea for a law programme in which real kenyan cases will be dramatised on TV. well, while my friend was waiting for feedback he saw nairobi law on TV!!! which was a hurried and poorly done version of what he had proposed. He later did be the judge which aired on KTN and everyone thought he was the dubbist.

So here we see a genuine idea that was copied and the creator of the idea not compensated.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Question is, what constitutes an original idea? Is it something that has never been done in Kenya or the world? For example the mobile payment systems that all the mobile companies use in Kenya had you stepped up to Queen B and they told you blah blah they do it and the others copy it with modifications or enhancements to your idea is that theft?

There are guys who have spent some time out of the country and have seen shows on TV that they come and try and sell as there ideas what would be the outcome then if they did it but did not pay up?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:

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"Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?"

@Watchman, just elaborate how this would begin. Queen Bee et al can afford to copy paste right left and center. with an Utado attitude!

On 11/23/10, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Goeff.

"This is Kenya" Simply says you've given up. I say let's get our asses working on what we want Kenya to be! stop being having a defeatist attitude.

If the rest of Kenya can perform without us, why can't we perform without them?

Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?

Watchman.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:32 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:

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in my view this is kenya , first dont trust anyone secondly make sure when you are sharing an idea make the other party be ware they can benefit from your idea but they need to give you a kick back.... else the solution will be copyrighting your ideas...but hey once again this is kenya where the heck do you do that!!!?

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@imelda You probably need to have been in my shoes to get the feeling that something was stolen.... On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Paul Mwachi <paul@isys.co.ke> wrote:

But on the bright side …. And IMHO be the judge is a much better production than Nairobi Law. But also that a good idea in the right hands and determination will see the light of day and in the long run (because of the creators vision) outdo the copies. Well… almost always J

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@kris

Let me give you a quick overview about Nairobi Law. My partner in business approached citizen with an idea for a law programme in which real kenyan cases will be dramatised on TV. well, while my friend was waiting for feedback he saw nairobi law on TV!!! which was a hurried and poorly done version of what he had proposed.

He later did be the judge which aired on KTN and everyone thought he was the dubbist.

So here we see a genuine idea that was copied and the creator of the idea not compensated.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:

Question is, what constitutes an original idea? Is it something that has never been done in Kenya or the world? For example the mobile payment systems that all the mobile companies use in Kenya had you stepped up to Queen B and they told you blah blah they do it and the others copy it with modifications or enhancements to your idea is that theft?

There are guys who have spent some time out of the country and have seen shows on TV that they come and try and sell as there ideas what would be the outcome then if they did it but did not pay up?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:

"Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?"

@Watchman, just elaborate how this would begin. Queen Bee et al can afford to copy paste right left and center. with an Utado attitude!

On 11/23/10, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Goeff.

"This is Kenya" Simply says you've given up. I say let's get our asses working on what we want Kenya to be! stop being having a defeatist attitude.

If the rest of Kenya can perform without us, why can't we perform without them?

Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is?

Watchman.

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:32 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:

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in my view this is kenya , first dont trust anyone secondly make sure when you are sharing an idea make the other party be ware they can benefit from your idea but they need to give you a kick back.... else the solution will be copyrighting your ideas...but hey once again this is kenya where the heck do you do that!!!?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

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Well, a certain university Dean is credited with a wonderful idea of starting a university radio station, As he wenta round shaking diplomats hands, the Student who came up with the idea was still holed up in his room with the initial radio equipment he made from scratch. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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true ndungu. But things went on well and be the judge was launched on KTN. season 2 is about to begin production and lessons have been learnt. The word is NDA On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:46 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:

@ Nicholas

Indeed;; once you have wekad effort,, then at the end someone says "that idea also exists in India" and screws you - and they dint think of implementing it until you suggested it in the first place - then one knows how it feels.

In "management for engineers" we were taught the concept of "adopting and adapting" - its a very viable form of business instead of reinventing the wheel.

The issue we have here is - you present your "adoption or adaption" to the Kenyan scene (cos its *not* always copy paste) and someone rips off.

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With all this happening..... I have a close friend of mine who is a specialist on IP.I was wondering if you might need a session with her to advice,Educate and you know answer any queries that you could all be having about this big boys "Shafting/Shoving/Thugging/Stealing" your ideas and implementing them without your consent. Shoot me an email I see whether I can get such a session going. Regards, On 23 November 2010 16:12, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com> wrote:

Also be careful with all these so called Venture Capitalist who pretend that they are going to finance your idea,while in real sense they are stealing Ideas from Africa.

Inagine a 1000 people partcipate in a business plan competition,only one wins..what happens to the other 999 business plans and ideas?

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true ndungu. But things went on well and be the judge was launched on KTN. season 2 is about to begin production and lessons have been learnt. The word is NDA

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:46 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:

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@ Nicholas

Indeed;; once you have wekad effort,, then at the end someone says "that idea also exists in India" and screws you - and they dint think of implementing it until you suggested it in the first place - then one knows how it feels.

In "management for engineers" we were taught the concept of "adopting and adapting" - its a very viable form of business instead of reinventing the wheel.

The issue we have here is - you present your "adoption or adaption" to the Kenyan scene (cos its *not* always copy paste) and someone rips off.

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Hopefully I survived, Then I will give you information before the COB(Close of Business) tomorrow.Then we can get a date with the IPlawyer. Is that fine? Regards, Muendo On 23 November 2010 17:51, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote:

@James

Consider yourself Shot at! * Watchman. *

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:39 PM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:

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With all this happening.....

I have a close friend of mine who is a specialist on IP.I was wondering if you might need a session with her to advice,Educate and you know answer any queries that you could all be having about this big boys "Shafting/Shoving/Thugging/Stealing" your ideas and implementing them without your consent.

Shoot me an email I see whether I can get such a session going.

Regards,

On 23 November 2010 16:12, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com> wrote:

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Also be careful with all these so called Venture Capitalist who pretend that they are going to finance your idea,while in real sense they are stealing Ideas from Africa.

Inagine a 1000 people partcipate in a business plan competition,only one wins..what happens to the other 999 business plans and ideas?

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:

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true ndungu. But things went on well and be the judge was launched on KTN. season 2 is about to begin production and lessons have been learnt. The word is NDA

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 2:46 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:

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@ Nicholas

Indeed;; once you have wekad effort,, then at the end someone says "that idea also exists in India" and screws you - and they dint think of implementing it until you suggested it in the first place - then one knows how it feels.

In "management for engineers" we were taught the concept of "adopting and adapting" - its a very viable form of business instead of reinventing the wheel.

The issue we have here is - you present your "adoption or adaption" to the Kenyan scene (cos its *not* always copy paste) and someone rips off.

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@kris You have brought up a very good angle to the discussion. Now that is what i would expect from the big boys....they recognise good ideas and pay to implement them. This is how the chinese are making money. Have you seen the sailor, greatwall pickups and trucks? do they look similar to the isuzu or mazda models of yesteryears.... thats because the chinese are buying old technology and relaunching them under their brand names. BRILLIANT When for example a corolla evolves from a 90 to 100 to 110 to 120 and so on, it doesnt necessarily mean that the 90 is bad, but this means that the japs have found a better way of packaging it and hence the price also goes up. So the chinese will buy the 90, give it a chinese inspired name and sell it cheaper. And remember....they will buy rights to the 90 from the japs. No infringement whatsoever. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:11 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:

Wonder if this is the same thing we been talking about? hmmm * * "Countering accusations that China's high-speed rail technologies are knock-offs, the head of China's Intellectual Property Administrationsaid in a conference<http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.sina.com.cn%2Fc%2F2010-11-22%2F175521514281.shtml> (Google translate; the original is here<http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2010-11-22/175521514281.shtml>) that "We bought technologies from German, Japan, France, and Canada. *We paid up.* It is perfectly legal. We then innovate on top of them like most other inventions in the world. Why is that pirating?" He cited China's ability, the world's first, to build high speed in (high) mountain area as an example of the additional innovations." Link to Original Source<http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.sina.com.cn%2Fc%2F2010-11-22%2F175521514281.shtml> -- *

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.....interesting On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:47 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:

Hot off the press.

A certain premium rate service firm is currently running the gameshows on KTN and KBC. They had approached The Royal Media company in order to get some airtime there and they threw them out. In two weeks was almost a complete replica dubbed Zawadi 2929..... :-) so amazing.

In the midst of the noise and schematics the warning still stands, talk to them at your own peril.

Kiania D.

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@kris You have brought up a very good angle to the discussion. Now that is what i would expect from the big boys....they recognise good ideas and pay to implement them. This is how the chinese are making money. Have you seen the sailor, greatwall pickups and trucks? do they look similar to the isuzu or mazda models of yesteryears.... thats because the chinese are buying old technology and relaunching them under their brand names. BRILLIANT When for example a corolla evolves from a 90 to 100 to 110 to 120 and so on, it doesnt necessarily mean that the 90 is bad, but this means that the japs have found a better way of packaging it and hence the price also goes up. So the chinese will buy the 90, give it a chinese inspired name and sell it cheaper. And remember....they will buy rights to the 90 from the japs. No infringement whatsoever. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 6:11 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:

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Wonder if this is the same thing we been talking about? hmmm "Countering accusations that China's high-speed rail technologies are knock-offs, the head of China's Intellectual Property Administrationsaid

in

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a conference (Google translate; the original is here) that "We bought technologies from German, Japan, France, and Canada. We paid up. It is perfectly legal. We then innovate on top of them like most other inventions in the world. Why is that pirating?" He cited China's ability, the world's first, to build high speed in (high) mountain area as an example of the additional innovations." Link to Original Source --

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Indeed; as David said, dont trust anyone.... But in the example MacDonald has mentioned,, if your idea involves deploying in an infrastructure, then you have to share. An issue the ICT board has to address is registering IP rights; its very costly to pay more than 13k (at KIPI) just for them to take 2 months to confirm if the company name/brand or idea exists elsewhere.. And this is minimum cos your ideas may fall under different branches or fields of technology. So a moneyed company can afford e.g 50k and above to patent the idea/brand behind the idea originator back;; but a start-out cannot afford such a luxury until mabbe they are sure the idea is going to be a hit (and thats after showing it around). I dont want to give up on these matters - but either way; I think the 'small man' is totally screwed when it comes to large scale projects and dealing with untrustworthy companies.

On the flipside of all this, it then means that people in this market primarily sell "ideas" and not products or services that have been patented and trademarked. It also shows that the ideas are easily replicated or copied which means the technical work behind the ideas is no rocket science. Also if someone has not gone through the process of trademarking or patenting, it means they dont really think their idea would pass the test? Therefore(three dots) it clearly follows that people need to set up companies that sell Products or services that are superior to anything in the market and implemented in a way that there are high barriers to entry for any other players.The only problem is that such products take lots of time, energy, money and technical expertise to put together.Do we have the patience? On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

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Mwinamo is very right. Everyone can have an idea....but to transform an Idea into a product that people can buy or you can sell is quite a challenge. Transforming an idea into a product is a process,mastering this process can make the difference. The Business Incubators around e.g Ihub,Nailab......can help most start-ups ,if they train them on product development and marketing technological ideas. Thanks On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Gitonga Eric <gitonga@egmgem.com> wrote:

IP law talk at iHub on Thursday: http://bit.ly/f0UaJw

On 11/29/10, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:

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On the flipside of all this, it then means that people in this market primarily sell "ideas" and not products or services that have been patented and trademarked. It also shows that the ideas are easily replicated or copied which means the technical work behind the ideas is no rocket science. Also if someone has not gone through the process of trademarking or patenting, it means they dont really think their idea would pass the test?

Therefore(three dots) it clearly follows that people need to set up companies that sell Products or services that are superior to anything in the market and implemented in a way that there are high barriers to entry for any other players.The only problem is that such products take lots of time, energy, money and technical expertise to put together.Do we have the patience?

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I came across this excellent talk on TED entitled "Where good ideas come from - Steven Johnson" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqj0sgrNL10 This is a must listen and most of all the punchline " Chance favours the connected minds". Enjoy ... all the same avoid the 3 monoliths. David Kiania On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Edwin Kaduki <kaduki@edwinkaduki.com> wrote:

I've come to the conclusion that for a business to be successful, one needs to partner with people that have strengths that you don't have. That is, unless you can combine technical ability with business savvy. Very few of us have that combination of skills. It's interesting seeing how guys with inferior products are able to make a business out of them, while guys with superior products wait and wait for clients to smell the coffee. As someone said, that's why there's a best SELLING author.... not a best WRITING author.. That means that for all our good ideas, only the ones executed well count. So if the queen bee/ someone else stole your idea, it's a sad state of affairs, but maybe your idea would not have grown into a successful business anyway.

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com> wrote:

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Mwinamo is very right.

Everyone can have an idea....but to transform an Idea into a product that people can buy or you can sell is quite a challenge.

Transforming an idea into a product is a process,mastering this process can make the difference.

The Business Incubators around e.g Ihub,Nailab......can help most start-ups ,if they train them on product development and marketing technological ideas.

Thanks

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IP law talk at iHub on Thursday: http://bit.ly/f0UaJw

On 11/29/10, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:

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On the flipside of all this, it then means that people in this market primarily sell "ideas" and not products or services that have been patented and trademarked. It also shows that the ideas are easily replicated or copied which means the technical work behind the ideas is no rocket science. Also if someone has not gone through the process of trademarking or patenting, it means they dont really think their idea would pass the test?

Therefore(three dots) it clearly follows that people need to set up companies that sell Products or services that are superior to anything in the market and implemented in a way that there are high barriers to entry for any other players.The only problem is that such products take lots of time, energy, money and technical expertise to put together.Do we have the patience?

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Erick, Thanks for the heads up. The correct video is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0af00UcTO-c Loved Jessica's video as well, KIVA has it's birthplace in East Africa? WOOW, this is a great place to generate new ideas ;-) Kiania On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote:

is this the right video? Jessica Jackley: Poverty, money -- and love the girl looks hot though so thanks I guess. the right video is either this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0af00UcTO-c

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This happens in Kampala too, and I guess in every country. Some business entities will do whatever it takes to make progress, even if it is at someone else’s cost. They are not your friends, and are not trying to help you make your big break so you need to be wise while dealing with them. A certain bright chap tried to sell his application to one of the Telecom companies in Uganda, was told to give them the application for 2 week testing, and after the testing period he was told management does not think it viable, only to see the service launched 2 weeks later with slight modification. He went to court, was able to prove that the launched app had the same DNA as his, after a few years struggle he was able to get compensation. Let me share one trick that I borrowed from Michael Scofield of the Prison Break TV Series: Don’t share the whole idea, or give them the whole item, keep a secret piece which will ensure that someone wont go on with you. Make sure you keep the secret ingredient to yourself until beyond any doubt you have a deal. I have used that a number of times and it works wonders, just make sure there is a part that only you can do or has. Of course that does not rule out the possibility of someone coming up with something else like yours or based on yours if they fail to complete the puzzle... Regards, Joshua Twinamasiko G. Managing Editor, PC Tech Magazine Published monthly by PC Tech Communications Ltd. t: +256 312 274 869 m: +256 774 143 720 / +256 701 143 720 www.pctechmagazine.com | www.pixelmagic.co.ug | www.joshtwin.com From: imelda Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:54 To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] 3 Companies NEVER TO SHARE an Idea With! to all Does any one have prove that those ideas are actually stolen , or all this is just speculation and sabotage well ? On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Watchman <skunkingrahim@gmail.com> wrote: @Goeff. "This is Kenya" Simply says you've given up. I say let's get our asses working on what we want Kenya to be! stop being having a defeatist attitude. If the rest of Kenya can perform without us, why can't we perform without them? Why can't we. a Group of Like minded individuals who have our differences come together and recreate what this society is? Watchman. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:32 AM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com> wrote: in my view this is kenya , first dont trust anyone secondly make sure when you are sharing an idea make the other party be ware they can benefit from your idea but they need to give you a kick back.... else the solution will be copyrighting your ideas...but hey once again this is kenya where the heck do you do that!!!? On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: Well, a certain university Dean is credited with a wonderful idea of starting a university radio station, As he wenta round shaking diplomats hands, the Student who came up with the idea was still holed up in his room with the initial radio equipment he made from scratch. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- GG _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- ...and I shall shed my light over dark evil. For the dark things cannot stand the light. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

it true and the worse is that the time it takes to have an* intellectual property or idea registered<http://www.google.co.ke/search?hl=en&biw=1280&bih=607&&sa=X&ei=a23rTI_OKce7hAexobFy&ved=0CBUQvwUoAQ&q=intellectual+property+or+idea+registered&spell=1> .* On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com wrote:

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I second you on the Nairobi Law rip off. it is such a shame that a few people can stifle creativity. If the media houses would buy these ideas even at break even cost, then we would see brilliant productions on TV instead of substandard programmes which we are forced to accept in the name of promoting local content.

Now that the lid on the can has been partially lifted ... It was on the grapevine too: A certain TV station used to air a certain program regarding Questions to School children, which went in rounds. The person who conceived the original idea just couldn't believe it, as he was still "waiting for management to make a decision" on the idea, "only for them to see their programs running under different names"

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This is no wonder creative minds would rather 'rot' somewhere in the brains of their owners. Needless to ask, what now can one do to sell an idea? Can KIPI come in handy? The saddest part is these companies pretend business is as usual. I was appaled to see the relationship between Qantas ad and QB's add. They look alike except that the former pays homage to an airline.

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On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:

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I second you on the Nairobi Law rip off. it is such a shame that a few people can stifle creativity. If the media houses would buy these ideas even at break even cost, then we would see brilliant productions on TV instead of substandard programmes which we are forced to accept in the name of promoting local content.

Now that the lid on the can has been partially lifted ... It was on the grapevine too: A certain TV station used to air a certain program regarding Questions to School children, which went in rounds. The person who conceived the original idea just couldn't believe it, as he was still "waiting for management to make a decision" on the idea, "only for them to see their programs running under different names"

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