Re: [Skunkworks] vacancies - 3 linux sys admins
Programming C++? for that amount? Are these guys going to be witting "Hello World!" applications all day? C++ is a VERY BIG and VERY COMPLICATED language. There's a lot that goes into developing a decent C++ program and it can take years of active development to master C++. Yeah theory can be learned in a couple of weeks and a simple app that asks your name and displays it can be built on your first day. That means nothing as far C++ is concerned, so don't start calling yourself a C++ programer just yet. So sking for a C++ programmer in that age bracket and that amount in this day an age is crazy as this generation has practically no production code experience in C++. If it were PHP, JAVA, C# thats another story but not with C++. my 2cents Steve Obbayi ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Njuki" <njukey@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] vacancies - 3 linux sys admins IMO if it is serious work just hire one experienced Linux admin and pay him/her the total sum paid to all the three "rookies" being sought after coz frankly I think with such job adverts that will lead people to eventually undermine Linux admins and what they are actually worth, Look at web design nowadays, you got every quack of tom, dick and harry doing it and charging meagre fees. -- ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ 'spɹɐƃǝɹ ıʞnɾu pıʌɐp _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
I still maintain - that skill set Linux + Programming and you want to pay 25k - you better drop dead coz you will not get. Its high time techies in this industry realize there worth, and @Imelda if you want to do the job at that pay, please go ahead and apply. ./Ok3ch On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Programming C++? for that amount? Are these guys going to be witting "Hello World!" applications all day? C++ is a VERY BIG and VERY COMPLICATED language. There's a lot that goes into developing a decent C++ program and it can take years of active development to master C++. Yeah theory can be learned in a couple of weeks and a simple app that asks your name and displays it can be built on your first day. That means nothing as far C++ is concerned, so don't start calling yourself a C++ programer just yet.
So sking for a C++ programmer in that age bracket and that amount in this day an age is crazy as this generation has practically no production code experience in C++. If it were PHP, JAVA, C# thats another story but not with C++.
my 2cents
Steve Obbayi
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Njuki" <njukey@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] vacancies - 3 linux sys admins
IMO if it is serious work just hire one experienced Linux admin and pay him/her the total sum paid to all the three "rookies" being sought after coz frankly I think with such job adverts that will lead people to eventually undermine Linux admins and what they are actually worth, Look at web design nowadays, you got every quack of tom, dick and harry doing it and charging meagre fees.
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There will always be people desperate enough to take those jobs. That is what many employers count on. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I still maintain - that skill set Linux + Programming and you want to pay 25k - you better drop dead coz you will not get. Its high time techies in this industry realize there worth, and @Imelda if you want to do the job at that pay, please go ahead and apply.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Programming C++? for that amount? Are these guys going to be witting "Hello World!" applications all day? C++ is a VERY BIG and VERY COMPLICATED language. There's a lot that goes into developing a decent C++ program and it can take years of active development to master C++. Yeah theory can be learned in a couple of weeks and a simple app that asks your name and displays it can be built on your first day. That means nothing as far C++ is concerned, so don't start calling yourself a C++ programer just yet.
So sking for a C++ programmer in that age bracket and that amount in this day an age is crazy as this generation has practically no production code experience in C++. If it were PHP, JAVA, C# thats another story but not with C++.
my 2cents
Steve Obbayi
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Njuki" <njukey@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] vacancies - 3 linux sys admins
IMO if it is serious work just hire one experienced Linux admin and pay him/her the total sum paid to all the three "rookies" being sought after coz frankly I think with such job adverts that will lead people to eventually undermine Linux admins and what they are actually worth, Look at web design nowadays, you got every quack of tom, dick and harry doing it and charging meagre fees.
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@ Okechukwu .....lolest !! On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
There will always be people desperate enough to take those jobs. That is what many employers count on.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I still maintain - that skill set Linux + Programming and you want to pay 25k - you better drop dead coz you will not get. Its high time techies in this industry realize there worth, and @Imelda if you want to do the job at that pay, please go ahead and apply.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Programming C++? for that amount? Are these guys going to be witting "Hello World!" applications all day? C++ is a VERY BIG and VERY COMPLICATED language. There's a lot that goes into developing a decent C++ program and it can take years of active development to master C++. Yeah theory can be learned in a couple of weeks and a simple app that asks your name and displays it can be built on your first day. That means nothing as far C++ is concerned, so don't start calling yourself a C++ programer just yet.
So sking for a C++ programmer in that age bracket and that amount in this day an age is crazy as this generation has practically no production code experience in C++. If it were PHP, JAVA, C# thats another story but not with C++.
my 2cents
Steve Obbayi
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Njuki" <njukey@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] vacancies - 3 linux sys admins
IMO if it is serious work just hire one experienced Linux admin and pay him/her the total sum paid to all the three "rookies" being sought after coz frankly I think with such job adverts that will lead people to eventually undermine Linux admins and what they are actually worth, Look at web design nowadays, you got every quack of tom, dick and harry doing it and charging meagre fees.
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@okwechu well if i was jobless with no job experience or fresh from campus i would have gone without thinking twice ...............in this same forum when guyz post they are looking for jobs with little experience they are encouraged , to go n look for internship or volunteer somewhere and alvin u sound like the forum cheer leader ,,,,,,,,so what the harm On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Okechukwu .....lolest !!
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
There will always be people desperate enough to take those jobs. That is what many employers count on.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I still maintain - that skill set Linux + Programming and you want to pay 25k - you better drop dead coz you will not get. Its high time techies in this industry realize there worth, and @Imelda if you want to do the job at that pay, please go ahead and apply.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com>
wrote:
Programming C++? for that amount? Are these guys going to be witting "Hello World!" applications all day? C++ is a VERY BIG and VERY COMPLICATED language. There's a lot that goes into developing a decent C++ program and it can take years of active development to master C++. Yeah theory can be learned in a couple of weeks and a simple app that asks your name and displays it can be built on your first day. That means nothing as far C++ is concerned, so don't start calling yourself a C++ programer just yet.
So sking for a C++ programmer in that age bracket and that amount in this day an age is crazy as this generation has practically no production code experience in C++. If it were PHP, JAVA, C# thats another story but not with C++.
my 2cents
Steve Obbayi
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Njuki" <njukey@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] vacancies - 3 linux sys admins
IMO if it is serious work just hire one experienced Linux admin and pay him/her the total sum paid to all the three "rookies" being sought after coz frankly I think with such job adverts that will lead people to eventually undermine Linux admins and what they are actually worth, Look at web design nowadays, you got every quack of tom, dick and harry doing it and charging meagre fees.
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@imelda doubt if fresh from college, jobless and no experience you would have qualified for this job probably that's the part everyone is trying to say 25k ain't worth it. imelda wrote:
@okwechu well if i was jobless with no job experience or fresh from campus i would have gone without thinking twice ...............in this same forum when guyz post they are looking for jobs with little experience they are encouraged , to go n look for internship or volunteer somewhere and alvin u sound like the forum cheer leader ,,,,,,,,so what the harm
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com <mailto:ajochola@gmail.com>> wrote:
@ Okechukwu .....lolest !!
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke <mailto:brian@pixie.co.ke>> wrote: > There will always be people desperate enough to take those jobs. That is > what many employers count on. > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com <mailto:okechukwu@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I still maintain - that skill set Linux + Programming and you want to >> pay 25k - you better drop dead coz you will not get. Its high time >> techies in this industry realize there worth, and @Imelda if you want >> to do the job at that pay, please go ahead and apply. >> >> ./Ok3ch >> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com <mailto:steve@sobbayi.com>> wrote: >> > Programming C++? for that amount? Are these guys going to be witting >> > "Hello >> > World!" applications all day? C++ is a VERY BIG and VERY COMPLICATED >> > language. There's a lot that goes into developing a decent C++ program >> > and >> > it can take years of active development to master C++. Yeah theory can >> > be >> > learned in a couple of weeks and a simple app that asks your name and >> > displays it can be built on your first day. That means nothing as far >> > C++ is >> > concerned, so don't start calling yourself a C++ programer just yet. >> > >> > So sking for a C++ programmer in that age bracket and that amount in >> > this >> > day an age is crazy as this generation has practically no production >> > code >> > experience in C++. If it were PHP, JAVA, C# thats another story but not >> > with >> > C++. >> > >> > my 2cents >> > >> > Steve Obbayi >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "David Njuki" <njukey@gmail.com <mailto:njukey@gmail.com>> >> > To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] vacancies - 3 linux sys admins >> > >> > IMO if it is serious work just hire one experienced Linux admin and pay >> > him/her the total sum paid to all the three "rookies" being sought after >> > coz >> > frankly I think with such job adverts that will lead people to >> > eventually >> > undermine Linux admins and what they are actually worth, Look at web >> > design >> > nowadays, you got every quack of tom, dick and harry doing it and >> > charging >> > meagre fees. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ >> > 'spɹɐƃǝɹ >> > ıʞnɾu pıʌɐp >> > >> > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list >> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ >> > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> > >> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... <http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1fbjAwOUE&hl=en> >> > ------------ Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> >> > ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Skunkworks mailing list >> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> > >> > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... <http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1fbjAwOUE&hl=en> >> > ------------ >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... <http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1fbjAwOUE&hl=en> >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > -- > Regards > > Brian Ngure > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... <http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1fbjAwOUE&hl=en> > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... <http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1fbjAwOUE&hl=en> ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Ok i finally get the point , it about competence , which would required a more qualified person hence more experience yes the money would be little ......but as for the age bracket they mentioned its clear they are not looking for some one with experience On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Ochieng Maxwell <maxwell@barua.co.ke>wrote:
@imelda doubt if fresh from college, jobless and no experience you would have qualified for this job probably that's the part everyone is trying to say 25k ain't worth it.
imelda wrote:
@okwechu well if i was jobless with no job experience or fresh from campus i would have gone without thinking twice ...............in this same forum when guyz post they are looking for jobs with little experience they are encouraged , to go n look for internship or volunteer somewhere and alvin u sound like the forum cheer leader ,,,,,,,,so what the harm On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com<mailto: ajochola@gmail.com>> wrote:
@ Okechukwu .....lolest !!
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke <mailto:brian@pixie.co.ke>> wrote:
There will always be people desperate enough to take those jobs. That is what many employers count on.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com <mailto:okechukwu@gmail.com>> wrote:
I still maintain - that skill set Linux + Programming and you
want to
pay 25k - you better drop dead coz you will not get. Its high time techies in this industry realize there worth, and @Imelda if you want to do the job at that pay, please go ahead and apply.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com <mailto:steve@sobbayi.com>> wrote:
Programming C++? for that amount? Are these guys going to be witting "Hello World!" applications all day? C++ is a VERY BIG and VERY COMPLICATED language. There's a lot that goes into developing a decent C++ program and it can take years of active development to master C++. Yeah theory can be learned in a couple of weeks and a simple app that asks your name and displays it can be built on your first day. That means nothing as far C++ is concerned, so don't start calling yourself a C++ programer just yet.
So sking for a C++ programmer in that age bracket and that amount in this day an age is crazy as this generation has practically no production code experience in C++. If it were PHP, JAVA, C# thats another story but not with C++.
my 2cents
Steve Obbayi
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Njuki" <njukey@gmail.com <mailto:njukey@gmail.com>> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] vacancies - 3 linux sys admins
IMO if it is serious work just hire one experienced Linux admin and pay him/her the total sum paid to all the three "rookies" being sought after coz frankly I think with such job adverts that will lead people to eventually undermine Linux admins and what they are actually worth, Look at web design nowadays, you got every quack of tom, dick and harry doing it and charging meagre fees.
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM, imelda <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok i finally get the point , it about competence , which would required a more qualified person hence more experience yes the money would be little ......but as for the age bracket they mentioned its clear they are not looking for some one with experience
Well, as someone said earlier, the only place to get someone with experience within that age bracket is India, (and Russia !!) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
And china .. and they will work for 100USD ;-) On 24 August 2010 21:13, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM, imelda <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok i finally get the point , it about competence , which would required a more qualified person hence more experience yes the money would be little ......but as for the age bracket they mentioned its clear they are not looking for some one with experience
Well, as someone said earlier, the only place to get someone with experience within that age bracket is India, (and Russia !!)
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Programming C++? for that amount? Are these guys going to be witting "Hello World!" applications all day? C++ is a VERY BIG and VERY COMPLICATED language. There's a lot that goes into developing a decent C++ program and it can take years of active development to master C++. Yeah theory can be learned in a couple of weeks and a simple app that asks your name and displays it can be built on your first day. That means nothing as far C++ is concerned, so don't start calling yourself a C++ programer just yet.
So sking for a C++ programmer in that age bracket and that amount in this day an age is crazy as this generation has practically no production code experience in C++. If it were PHP, JAVA, C# thats another story but not with C++.
Some interesting opinions on C++: < http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TeiyUaX7XWsJ:www.gigamo...
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While we are on this subject *Guys start paying your interns*. Stop pretending they add no value to your organisations coz they do and they really work hard to impress. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Programming C++? for that amount? Are these guys going to be witting "Hello World!" applications all day? C++ is a VERY BIG and VERY COMPLICATED language. There's a lot that goes into developing a decent C++ program and it can take years of active development to master C++. Yeah theory can be learned in a couple of weeks and a simple app that asks your name and displays it can be built on your first day. That means nothing as far C++ is concerned, so don't start calling yourself a C++ programer just yet.
So sking for a C++ programmer in that age bracket and that amount in this day an age is crazy as this generation has practically no production code experience in C++. If it were PHP, JAVA, C# thats another story but not with C++.
Some interesting opinions on C++: < http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TeiyUaX7XWsJ:www.gigamo...
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To conclude: In my first job - I was not paid - I was being given transport (for lunch, you sort yourself out - from the transport money). Most of the time, we had to wait until the Matatu fares dropped to 10/- after the peak time [?] !!! Remember; not everyone is a graduate (degree); and not everyone has finished their education yet. If you are on campus holidays; and you earn 25k per month - then you are seriously BAWLING !!!! [compare that with 14k Helb Loan in 3 months :-) ] *Quote Rich Dad Poor Dad [loosely]* : If you are starting out in the employment sectors; do not rush for the money; try to gain as much experience as you can, learn ways of working, professionalism etc and build yourself. When you are experienced, you may ask or look for a job with the salary you desire.
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Alvin Jason Ochieng -
Brian Ngure -
imelda -
Jacob Odada -
Joseph Wayodi -
ndungu stephen -
Ochieng Maxwell -
Odhiambo Washington -
Okechukwu -
Steve Obbayi -
Watson Kambo