I will just leave this here... https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00...
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it? Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
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Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
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@Brian, I guess if they are like me, it's lack of words. I remember writing an email to Phares when the services were not accessible, then she said she's no longer at Angani. First I found it weird like really weird, but since she gave me Riyaz' number to help me follow up, I never thought It amounted to the story am reading. *_______________________________________________________________We must Keep on, We can't stop here * On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
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Phares is a he! On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:57 PM, joe mwirigi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@Brian,
I guess if they are like me, it's lack of words. I remember writing an email to Phares when the services were not accessible, then she said she's no longer at Angani. First I found it weird like really weird, but since she gave me Riyaz' number to help me follow up, I never thought It amounted to the story am reading.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
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And it doesnt get more confusing than this. @Joe, is Phares she or he? Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: joe mwirigi via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:57:19 To: Brian Maiyo<kipropbrian@gmail.com>; Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com>, Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] angani woes _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war. They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short. David Njuguna Ndungu https://github.com/dnjuguna https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna +1 415 800 3640 On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
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Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience. Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management. Regards, John K. On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
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Makes sense now ..... Let them move on ! On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards, John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
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I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards, John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
David Njuguna Ndungu https://github.com/dnjuguna https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna +1 415 800 3640
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
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Correct Peter ! They have always been here. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards, John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
David Njuguna Ndungu https://github.com/dnjuguna https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna +1 415 800 3640
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> I will just leave this here... > > > https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ? -- Ndungi Kyalo On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards, John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
David Njuguna Ndungu https://github.com/dnjuguna https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna +1 415 800 3640
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to > run it? > > Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out > and take over? > On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> I will just leave this here... >> >> >> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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I asked the same. On 19 Nov 2015 2:53 pm, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards, John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
David Njuguna Ndungu https://github.com/dnjuguna https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna +1 415 800 3640
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this > issue. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to >> run it? >> >> Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out >> and take over? >> On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> I will just leave this here... >>> >>> >>> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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i smell rat [racism] - lesson to us all. Kind Regards, Wilson./ On 19 November 2015 at 14:52, Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards, John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
David Njuguna Ndungu https://github.com/dnjuguna https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna +1 415 800 3640
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this > issue. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to >> run it? >> >> Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out >> and take over? >> On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> I will just leave this here... >>> >>> >>> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Surprised!! Would be interested to hear all sides of the story if someone has more links. Following... On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Thuo Wilson via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
i smell rat [racism] - lesson to us all.
Kind Regards, Wilson./
On 19 November 2015 at 14:52, Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards, John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders > losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on > doing something positive and not this propaganda war. > > They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short. > > David Njuguna Ndungu > https://github.com/dnjuguna > https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna > +1 415 800 3640 > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this >> issue. >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to >>> run it? >>> >>> Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out >>> and take over? >>> On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> I will just leave this here... >>>> >>>> >>>> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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@Bwana Lawi, Thanks for the correction! I always wondered what gender Phares was - guess I always confused it with Peris. Good to know, that was a honest mistake. ( I have since googled, universally its a man's name) :) *_______________________________________________________________We must Keep on, We can't stop here * On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Antony Ndung'u via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Surprised!! Would be interested to hear all sides of the story if someone has more links.
Following...
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Thuo Wilson via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
i smell rat [racism] - lesson to us all.
Kind Regards, Wilson./
On 19 November 2015 at 14:52, Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that > suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This > is pretty common in my experience. > > Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax > management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the > founders / management. > > Regards, > John K. > > On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders >> losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on >> doing something positive and not this propaganda war. >> >> They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short. >> >> David Njuguna Ndungu >> https://github.com/dnjuguna >> https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna >> +1 415 800 3640 >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this >>> issue. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to >>>> run it? >>>> >>>> Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out >>>> and take over? >>>> On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will just leave this here... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY! ./muya On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards, John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
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Me thinks there are more than one side to a story, and there's more than meets the eye. Time will tell Tick tock. -- My 1.999999 cents On 19 November 2015 at 16:13, Muya via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke
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Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards, John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders > losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on > doing something positive and not this propaganda war. > > They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short. > > David Njuguna Ndungu > https://github.com/dnjuguna > https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna > +1 415 800 3640 > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this >> issue. >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to >>> run it? >>> >>> Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out >>> and take over? >>> On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> I will just leave this here... >>>> >>>> >>>> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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a) Phares Kariuki is a he :) b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani. d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform. e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards, John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders > losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on > doing something positive and not this propaganda war. > > They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short. > > David Njuguna Ndungu > https://github.com/dnjuguna > https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna > +1 415 800 3640 > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this >> issue. >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to >>> run it? >>> >>> Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out >>> and take over? >>> On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> I will just leave this here... >>>> >>>> >>>> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than meets the eye. However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc. Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it... Mugo On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
a) Phares Kariuki is a he :) b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani. d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform. e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that > suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This > is pretty common in my experience. > > Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax > management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the > founders / management. > > Regards, > John K. > > On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders >> losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on >> doing something positive and not this propaganda war. >> >> They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short. >> >> David Njuguna Ndungu >> https://github.com/dnjuguna >> https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna >> +1 415 800 3640 >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this >>> issue. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to >>>> run it? >>>> >>>> Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out >>>> and take over? >>>> On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will just leave this here... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, right? The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to have his signature style of action. I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz! So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the ouster of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came in and disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in by Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I know like eacdirectory.co.ke lost quite some business because of this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many others... What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain. Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous Cloud Service? I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could have been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile takeover. Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror. On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc.
Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it...
Mugo
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
a) Phares Kariuki is a he :) b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani. d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform. e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Makes sense now ..... > > Let them move on ! > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business >> that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. >> This is pretty common in my experience. >> >> Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax >> management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the >> founders / management. >> >> Regards, >> John K. >> >> On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders >>> losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on >>> doing something positive and not this propaganda war. >>> >>> They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short. >>> >>> David Njuguna Ndungu >>> https://github.com/dnjuguna >>> https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna >>> +1 415 800 3640 >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this >>>> issue. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners >>>>> to run it? >>>>> >>>>> Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them >>>>> out and take over? >>>>> On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I will just leave this here... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > ALVIN OCHOLA > 0722-313923 > www.greenline.co.ke > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Now that the list is hosted at Angani, hope there is future-proof good-will from the current owners to have the forum hosted there as was without fee. *_______________________________________________________________We must Keep on, We can't stop here * On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, right?
The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to have his signature style of action.
I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz!
So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the ouster of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came in and disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in by Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I know like eacdirectory.co.ke lost quite some business because of this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many others...
What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain.
Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous Cloud Service?
I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could have been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile takeover.
Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror.
On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc.
Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it...
Mugo
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
a) Phares Kariuki is a he :) b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani. d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform. e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on > this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will > come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong. > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks > <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Makes sense now ..... >> >> Let them move on ! >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business >>> that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. >>> This is pretty common in my experience. >>> >>> Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax >>> management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the >>> founders / management. >>> >>> Regards, >>> John K. >>> >>> On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders >>>> losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on >>>> doing something positive and not this propaganda war. >>>> >>>> They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short. >>>> >>>> David Njuguna Ndungu >>>> https://github.com/dnjuguna >>>> https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna >>>> +1 415 800 3640 >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this >>>>> issue. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners >>>>>> to run it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them >>>>>> out and take over? >>>>>> On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I will just leave this here... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ALVIN OCHOLA >> 0722-313923 >> www.greenline.co.ke >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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From the thread i have come to agree with Muya and Washington.
I was really proud of what Angani had achieved. They showed us there is a possibility of having Cloud services in kenya. None if few of us thought that would be possible. This is a typi al example of greedy investors who were able to "ingiza box" a local in thier selfish endevour. How can one trust Angani again after they brought hackers to "break" sstems that were secured??? I think the current management ("dire tors" ) are in for a rude shock...... On Nov 19, 2015 8:29 PM, "joe mwirigi via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Now that the list is hosted at Angani, hope there is future-proof good-will from the current owners to have the forum hosted there as was without fee.
*_______________________________________________________________We must Keep on, We can't stop here *
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, right?
The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to have his signature style of action.
I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz!
So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the ouster of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came in and disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in by Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I know like eacdirectory.co.ke lost quite some business because of this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many others...
What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain.
Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous Cloud Service?
I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could have been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile takeover.
Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror.
On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc.
Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it...
Mugo
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
a) Phares Kariuki is a he :) b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani. d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform. e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Correct Peter ! > > They have always been here. > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members >> on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will >> come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks >> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Makes sense now ..... >>> >>> Let them move on ! >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business >>>> that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. >>>> This is pretty common in my experience. >>>> >>>> Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax >>>> management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the >>>> founders / management. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> John K. >>>> >>>> On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders >>>>> losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on >>>>> doing something positive and not this propaganda war. >>>>> >>>>> They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short. >>>>> >>>>> David Njuguna Ndungu >>>>> https://github.com/dnjuguna >>>>> https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna >>>>> +1 415 800 3640 >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this >>>>>> issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners >>>>>>> to run it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them >>>>>>> out and take over? >>>>>>> On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will just leave this here... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ALVIN OCHOLA >>> 0722-313923 >>> www.greenline.co.ke >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > ALVIN OCHOLA > 0722-313923 > www.greenline.co.ke > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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It would be interesting to know how many companies here have voted with their feet and left the service. From: Toilem Godwin via skunkworks [mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:19 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>; joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] angani woes
From the thread i have come to agree with Muya and Washington.
I was really proud of what Angani had achieved. They showed us there is a possibility of having Cloud services in kenya. None if few of us thought that would be possible. This is a typi al example of greedy investors who were able to "ingiza box" a local in thier selfish endevour. How can one trust Angani again after they brought hackers to "break" sstems that were secured??? I think the current management ("dire tors" ) are in for a rude shock...... On Nov 19, 2015 8:29 PM, "joe mwirigi via skunkworks" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: Now that the list is hosted at Angani, hope there is future-proof good-will from the current owners to have the forum hosted there as was without fee. _______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, We can't stop here On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, right? The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to have his signature style of action. I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz! So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the ouster of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came in and disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in by Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I know like eacdirectory.co.ke <http://eacdirectory.co.ke> lost quite some business because of this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many others... What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain. Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous Cloud Service? I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could have been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile takeover. Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror. On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than meets the eye. However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc. Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it... Mugo On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: a) Phares Kariuki is a he :) b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani. d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform. e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY! ./muya On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ? -- Ndungi Kyalo On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: Correct Peter ! They have always been here. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: Makes sense now ..... Let them move on ! On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience. Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management. Regards, John K. On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war. They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short. David Njuguna Ndungu https://github.com/dnjuguna https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna +1 415 800 3640 <tel:%2B1%20415%20800%203640> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it? Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? 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It is not right to accept a defeatist position that techies are not the right people to run their businesses and even if that was the case it's important to appreciate they form a major component of the operations of the business. We need to exude confidence as techies to gain respect from other professionals. Consider how our friends in finance and accounting floss with organisational money as if they are the only ones generating revenue. Yet we know they just stay in office waiting for the cheques only to dictate to us how to spend the money. We need to floss with technology as well. It is not a secret that modern companies including nontechnical cannot run without ICT's. Rgds, J@m3s On Nov 20, 2015 9:32 AM, "George Irungu via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It would be interesting to know how many companies here have voted with their feet and left the service.
*From:* Toilem Godwin via skunkworks [mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke] *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:19 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>; joe mwirigi < joemwirigi@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] angani woes
From the thread i have come to agree with Muya and Washington.
I was really proud of what Angani had achieved. They showed us there is a possibility of having Cloud services in kenya. None if few of us thought that would be possible.
This is a typi al example of greedy investors who were able to "ingiza box" a local in thier selfish endevour.
How can one trust Angani again after they brought hackers to "break" sstems that were secured???
I think the current management ("dire tors" ) are in for a rude shock......
On Nov 19, 2015 8:29 PM, "joe mwirigi via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Now that the list is hosted at Angani, hope there is future-proof good-will from the current owners to have the forum hosted there as was without fee.
*_______________________________________________________________We must Keep on, We can't stop here *
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, right?
The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to have his signature style of action.
I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz!
So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the ouster of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came in and disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in by Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I know like eacdirectory.co.ke lost quite some business because of this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many others...
What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain.
Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous Cloud Service?
I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could have been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile takeover.
Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror.
On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc.
Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it...
Mugo
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
a) Phares Kariuki is a he :)
b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed
c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani.
d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform.
e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya
On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards,
John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over?
On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00...
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This is a wake up call to all techies methinks. I feel we need to equip ourselves not only technically but also have the business acumen and emotional intelligence that suffices to run or manage companies. I totally agree with James where almost all the companies are IT dependent. Case in point financial institutions where all the processes are automated. HOWEVER, if you look at the executive management teams in most of the local banks websites few will feature a CIO or IT manager and if they do most probably the Director of operations and technology will not have an Techie background. Heck, technical guys wount be sometimes part of EXCO or ALCO. Well, i agree sometimes IT is a thankless profession and few will appreciate the effort and man hours techies put for things to run smoothly but there should be a paradigm shift and we need to be felt in this corporate ecosystem. On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, James Kagwe via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It is not right to accept a defeatist position that techies are not the right people to run their businesses and even if that was the case it's important to appreciate they form a major component of the operations of the business. We need to exude confidence as techies to gain respect from other professionals.
Consider how our friends in finance and accounting floss with organisational money as if they are the only ones generating revenue. Yet we know they just stay in office waiting for the cheques only to dictate to us how to spend the money. We need to floss with technology as well. It is not a secret that modern companies including nontechnical cannot run without ICT's.
Rgds, J@m3s On Nov 20, 2015 9:32 AM, "George Irungu via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It would be interesting to know how many companies here have voted with their feet and left the service.
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From the thread i have come to agree with Muya and Washington.
I was really proud of what Angani had achieved. They showed us there is a possibility of having Cloud services in kenya. None if few of us thought that would be possible.
This is a typi al example of greedy investors who were able to "ingiza box" a local in thier selfish endevour.
How can one trust Angani again after they brought hackers to "break" sstems that were secured???
I think the current management ("dire tors" ) are in for a rude shock......
On Nov 19, 2015 8:29 PM, "joe mwirigi via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, right?
The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to have his signature style of action.
I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz!
So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the ouster of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came in and disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in by Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I know like eacdirectory.co.ke lost quite some business because of this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many others...
What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain.
Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous Cloud Service?
I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could have been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile takeover.
Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror.
On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc.
Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it...
Mugo
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
a) Phares Kariuki is a he :)
b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed
c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani.
d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform.
e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya
On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
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On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards,
John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over?
On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00...
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What makes this situation a bit hard to swallow is that no-one in their right mind would have expected board members to screw up their company over a simple chain of custody. Yet all indications show that is the source of the messy breakup. And calling for the other side of the story doesn't make their side valid. A thief will have his side of the story when robbing you. That still does not make his reason valid. If you go deeper into Angani woes circles you'll be amazed at how arrogant the new management simply was. Hostile takeover of the company AND the platform. They succeeded in taking over the company, they screwed up the platform. And to make matters worse, they were willing to do the takeover at the expense of customer data and operations. Which in the end again the screwed up. If these so-called investors just wanted to run a cloud company without the ousted management why not just start their own? If they felt the Phares and co were incompetent why not take their money elsewhere? On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:02 AM, kiri kish via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is a wake up call to all techies methinks. I feel we need to equip ourselves not only technically but also have the business acumen and emotional intelligence that suffices to run or manage companies.
I totally agree with James where almost all the companies are IT dependent. Case in point financial institutions where all the processes are automated. HOWEVER, if you look at the executive management teams in most of the local banks websites few will feature a CIO or IT manager and if they do most probably the Director of operations and technology will not have an Techie background. Heck, technical guys wount be sometimes part of EXCO or ALCO.
Well, i agree sometimes IT is a thankless profession and few will appreciate the effort and man hours techies put for things to run smoothly but there should be a paradigm shift and we need to be felt in this corporate ecosystem.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, James Kagwe via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It is not right to accept a defeatist position that techies are not the right people to run their businesses and even if that was the case it's important to appreciate they form a major component of the operations of the business. We need to exude confidence as techies to gain respect from other professionals.
Consider how our friends in finance and accounting floss with organisational money as if they are the only ones generating revenue. Yet we know they just stay in office waiting for the cheques only to dictate to us how to spend the money. We need to floss with technology as well. It is not a secret that modern companies including nontechnical cannot run without ICT's.
Rgds, J@m3s On Nov 20, 2015 9:32 AM, "George Irungu via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It would be interesting to know how many companies here have voted with their feet and left the service.
*From:* Toilem Godwin via skunkworks [mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke] *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:19 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>; joe mwirigi < joemwirigi@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] angani woes
From the thread i have come to agree with Muya and Washington.
I was really proud of what Angani had achieved. They showed us there is a possibility of having Cloud services in kenya. None if few of us thought that would be possible.
This is a typi al example of greedy investors who were able to "ingiza box" a local in thier selfish endevour.
How can one trust Angani again after they brought hackers to "break" sstems that were secured???
I think the current management ("dire tors" ) are in for a rude shock......
On Nov 19, 2015 8:29 PM, "joe mwirigi via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Now that the list is hosted at Angani, hope there is future-proof good-will from the current owners to have the forum hosted there as was without fee.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, right?
The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to have his signature style of action.
I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz!
So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the ouster of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came in and disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in by Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I know like eacdirectory.co.ke lost quite some business because of this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many others...
What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain.
Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous Cloud Service?
I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could have been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile takeover.
Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror.
On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc.
Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it...
Mugo
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
a) Phares Kariuki is a he :)
b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed
c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani.
d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform.
e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya
On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards,
John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over?
On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00...
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When you get investors into your company you have to be ready for them having a vision that might be different and bigger than what you already have.... How you negotiate with them as you go forward is what decides the way forward. Be ready to be kicked out because your vision became smaller than the one the new comers have... Its just business.... Thats me thinking.... On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
What makes this situation a bit hard to swallow is that no-one in their right mind would have expected board members to screw up their company over a simple chain of custody. Yet all indications show that is the source of the messy breakup. And calling for the other side of the story doesn't make their side valid. A thief will have his side of the story when robbing you. That still does not make his reason valid.
If you go deeper into Angani woes circles you'll be amazed at how arrogant the new management simply was. Hostile takeover of the company AND the platform. They succeeded in taking over the company, they screwed up the platform.
And to make matters worse, they were willing to do the takeover at the expense of customer data and operations. Which in the end again the screwed up. If these so-called investors just wanted to run a cloud company without the ousted management why not just start their own? If they felt the Phares and co were incompetent why not take their money elsewhere?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:02 AM, kiri kish via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is a wake up call to all techies methinks. I feel we need to equip ourselves not only technically but also have the business acumen and emotional intelligence that suffices to run or manage companies.
I totally agree with James where almost all the companies are IT dependent. Case in point financial institutions where all the processes are automated. HOWEVER, if you look at the executive management teams in most of the local banks websites few will feature a CIO or IT manager and if they do most probably the Director of operations and technology will not have an Techie background. Heck, technical guys wount be sometimes part of EXCO or ALCO.
Well, i agree sometimes IT is a thankless profession and few will appreciate the effort and man hours techies put for things to run smoothly but there should be a paradigm shift and we need to be felt in this corporate ecosystem.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, James Kagwe via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It is not right to accept a defeatist position that techies are not the right people to run their businesses and even if that was the case it's important to appreciate they form a major component of the operations of the business. We need to exude confidence as techies to gain respect from other professionals.
Consider how our friends in finance and accounting floss with organisational money as if they are the only ones generating revenue. Yet we know they just stay in office waiting for the cheques only to dictate to us how to spend the money. We need to floss with technology as well. It is not a secret that modern companies including nontechnical cannot run without ICT's.
Rgds, J@m3s On Nov 20, 2015 9:32 AM, "George Irungu via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It would be interesting to know how many companies here have voted with their feet and left the service.
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From the thread i have come to agree with Muya and Washington.
I was really proud of what Angani had achieved. They showed us there is a possibility of having Cloud services in kenya. None if few of us thought that would be possible.
This is a typi al example of greedy investors who were able to "ingiza box" a local in thier selfish endevour.
How can one trust Angani again after they brought hackers to "break" sstems that were secured???
I think the current management ("dire tors" ) are in for a rude shock......
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, right?
The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to have his signature style of action.
I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz!
So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the ouster of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came in and disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in by Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I know like eacdirectory.co.ke lost quite some business because of this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many others...
What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain.
Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous Cloud Service?
I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could have been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile takeover.
Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror.
On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc.
Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it...
Mugo
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
a) Phares Kariuki is a he :)
b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed
c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani.
d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform.
e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya
On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
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On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards,
John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over?
On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00...
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+1 Bwana Lawi. We can advance all theories to appear sane in a throroughly insane situation - which is what happened at Angani! "And to make matters worse, they were willing to do the takeover at the expense of customer data and operations." - THAT IS INSANE! On 20 November 2015 at 11:27, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
What makes this situation a bit hard to swallow is that no-one in their right mind would have expected board members to screw up their company over a simple chain of custody. Yet all indications show that is the source of the messy breakup. And calling for the other side of the story doesn't make their side valid. A thief will have his side of the story when robbing you. That still does not make his reason valid.
If you go deeper into Angani woes circles you'll be amazed at how arrogant the new management simply was. Hostile takeover of the company AND the platform. They succeeded in taking over the company, they screwed up the platform.
And to make matters worse, they were willing to do the takeover at the expense of customer data and operations. Which in the end again the screwed up. If these so-called investors just wanted to run a cloud company without the ousted management why not just start their own? If they felt the Phares and co were incompetent why not take their money elsewhere?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:02 AM, kiri kish via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is a wake up call to all techies methinks. I feel we need to equip ourselves not only technically but also have the business acumen and emotional intelligence that suffices to run or manage companies.
I totally agree with James where almost all the companies are IT dependent. Case in point financial institutions where all the processes are automated. HOWEVER, if you look at the executive management teams in most of the local banks websites few will feature a CIO or IT manager and if they do most probably the Director of operations and technology will not have an Techie background. Heck, technical guys wount be sometimes part of EXCO or ALCO.
Well, i agree sometimes IT is a thankless profession and few will appreciate the effort and man hours techies put for things to run smoothly but there should be a paradigm shift and we need to be felt in this corporate ecosystem.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, James Kagwe via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It is not right to accept a defeatist position that techies are not the right people to run their businesses and even if that was the case it's important to appreciate they form a major component of the operations of the business. We need to exude confidence as techies to gain respect from other professionals.
Consider how our friends in finance and accounting floss with organisational money as if they are the only ones generating revenue. Yet we know they just stay in office waiting for the cheques only to dictate to us how to spend the money. We need to floss with technology as well. It is not a secret that modern companies including nontechnical cannot run without ICT's.
Rgds, J@m3s On Nov 20, 2015 9:32 AM, "George Irungu via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It would be interesting to know how many companies here have voted with their feet and left the service.
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*Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:19 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>; joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] angani woes
From the thread i have come to agree with Muya and Washington.
I was really proud of what Angani had achieved. They showed us there is a possibility of having Cloud services in kenya. None if few of us thought that would be possible.
This is a typi al example of greedy investors who were able to "ingiza box" a local in thier selfish endevour.
How can one trust Angani again after they brought hackers to "break" sstems that were secured???
I think the current management ("dire tors" ) are in for a rude shock......
On Nov 19, 2015 8:29 PM, "joe mwirigi via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Now that the list is hosted at Angani, hope there is future-proof good-will from the current owners to have the forum hosted there as was without fee.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, right?
The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to have his signature style of action.
I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz!
So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the ouster of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came in and disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in by Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I know like eacdirectory.co.ke lost quite some business because of this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many others...
What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain.
Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous Cloud Service?
I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could have been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile takeover.
Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror.
On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc.
Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it...
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
a) Phares Kariuki is a he :)
b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed
c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani.
d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform.
e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya
On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
-- Ndungi Kyalo
On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards,
John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over?
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I will just leave this here...
https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00...
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The password aspect reminds me of a similar case in the US, of course that was under US law and different circumstances. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/05/0041255/withhold-passwords-from-your-... On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 Bwana Lawi.
We can advance all theories to appear sane in a throroughly insane situation - which is what happened at Angani!
"And to make matters worse, they were willing to do the takeover at the expense of customer data and operations." - THAT IS INSANE!
On 20 November 2015 at 11:27, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
What makes this situation a bit hard to swallow is that no-one in their right mind would have expected board members to screw up their company over a simple chain of custody. Yet all indications show that is the source of the messy breakup. And calling for the other side of the story doesn't make their side valid. A thief will have his side of the story when robbing you. That still does not make his reason valid.
If you go deeper into Angani woes circles you'll be amazed at how arrogant the new management simply was. Hostile takeover of the company AND the platform. They succeeded in taking over the company, they screwed up the platform.
And to make matters worse, they were willing to do the takeover at the expense of customer data and operations. Which in the end again the screwed up. If these so-called investors just wanted to run a cloud company without the ousted management why not just start their own? If they felt the Phares and co were incompetent why not take their money elsewhere?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:02 AM, kiri kish via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is a wake up call to all techies methinks. I feel we need to equip ourselves not only technically but also have the business acumen and emotional intelligence that suffices to run or manage companies.
I totally agree with James where almost all the companies are IT dependent. Case in point financial institutions where all the processes are automated. HOWEVER, if you look at the executive management teams in most of the local banks websites few will feature a CIO or IT manager and if they do most probably the Director of operations and technology will not have an Techie background. Heck, technical guys wount be sometimes part of EXCO or ALCO.
Well, i agree sometimes IT is a thankless profession and few will appreciate the effort and man hours techies put for things to run smoothly but there should be a paradigm shift and we need to be felt in this corporate ecosystem.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, James Kagwe via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It is not right to accept a defeatist position that techies are not the right people to run their businesses and even if that was the case it's important to appreciate they form a major component of the operations of the business. We need to exude confidence as techies to gain respect from other professionals.
Consider how our friends in finance and accounting floss with organisational money as if they are the only ones generating revenue. Yet we know they just stay in office waiting for the cheques only to dictate to us how to spend the money. We need to floss with technology as well. It is not a secret that modern companies including nontechnical cannot run without ICT's.
Rgds, J@m3s On Nov 20, 2015 9:32 AM, "George Irungu via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It would be interesting to know how many companies here have voted with their feet and left the service.
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From the thread i have come to agree with Muya and Washington.
I was really proud of what Angani had achieved. They showed us there is a possibility of having Cloud services in kenya. None if few of us thought that would be possible.
This is a typi al example of greedy investors who were able to "ingiza box" a local in thier selfish endevour.
How can one trust Angani again after they brought hackers to "break" sstems that were secured???
I think the current management ("dire tors" ) are in for a rude shock......
On Nov 19, 2015 8:29 PM, "joe mwirigi via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Now that the list is hosted at Angani, hope there is future-proof good-will from the current owners to have the forum hosted there as was without fee.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, right?
The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to have his signature style of action.
I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz!
So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the ouster of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came in and disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in by Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I know like eacdirectory.co.ke lost quite some business because of this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many others...
What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain.
Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous Cloud Service?
I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could have been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile takeover.
Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror.
On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc.
Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it...
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
a) Phares Kariuki is a he :)
b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed
c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani.
d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform.
e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya
On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
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On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
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On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over?
On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00...
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+1 to Bwana Lawi, Odhiambo, Ndungu Kyalo and the rest with a similar point of view. The only reason a thief comes into your house is to take what he doesn't have. A lot of noise is being made to try and obscure this basic truth. On Nov 20, 2015 12:29 PM, "Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The password aspect reminds me of a similar case in the US, of course that was under US law and different circumstances.
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/05/0041255/withhold-passwords-from-your-...
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 Bwana Lawi.
We can advance all theories to appear sane in a throroughly insane situation - which is what happened at Angani!
"And to make matters worse, they were willing to do the takeover at the expense of customer data and operations." - THAT IS INSANE!
On 20 November 2015 at 11:27, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
What makes this situation a bit hard to swallow is that no-one in their right mind would have expected board members to screw up their company over a simple chain of custody. Yet all indications show that is the source of the messy breakup. And calling for the other side of the story doesn't make their side valid. A thief will have his side of the story when robbing you. That still does not make his reason valid.
If you go deeper into Angani woes circles you'll be amazed at how arrogant the new management simply was. Hostile takeover of the company AND the platform. They succeeded in taking over the company, they screwed up the platform.
And to make matters worse, they were willing to do the takeover at the expense of customer data and operations. Which in the end again the screwed up. If these so-called investors just wanted to run a cloud company without the ousted management why not just start their own? If they felt the Phares and co were incompetent why not take their money elsewhere?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:02 AM, kiri kish via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is a wake up call to all techies methinks. I feel we need to equip ourselves not only technically but also have the business acumen and emotional intelligence that suffices to run or manage companies.
I totally agree with James where almost all the companies are IT dependent. Case in point financial institutions where all the processes are automated. HOWEVER, if you look at the executive management teams in most of the local banks websites few will feature a CIO or IT manager and if they do most probably the Director of operations and technology will not have an Techie background. Heck, technical guys wount be sometimes part of EXCO or ALCO.
Well, i agree sometimes IT is a thankless profession and few will appreciate the effort and man hours techies put for things to run smoothly but there should be a paradigm shift and we need to be felt in this corporate ecosystem.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, James Kagwe via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It is not right to accept a defeatist position that techies are not the right people to run their businesses and even if that was the case it's important to appreciate they form a major component of the operations of the business. We need to exude confidence as techies to gain respect from other professionals.
Consider how our friends in finance and accounting floss with organisational money as if they are the only ones generating revenue. Yet we know they just stay in office waiting for the cheques only to dictate to us how to spend the money. We need to floss with technology as well. It is not a secret that modern companies including nontechnical cannot run without ICT's.
Rgds, J@m3s On Nov 20, 2015 9:32 AM, "George Irungu via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It would be interesting to know how many companies here have voted with their feet and left the service.
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From the thread i have come to agree with Muya and Washington.
I was really proud of what Angani had achieved. They showed us there is a possibility of having Cloud services in kenya. None if few of us thought that would be possible.
This is a typi al example of greedy investors who were able to "ingiza box" a local in thier selfish endevour.
How can one trust Angani again after they brought hackers to "break" sstems that were secured???
I think the current management ("dire tors" ) are in for a rude shock......
On Nov 19, 2015 8:29 PM, "joe mwirigi via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Now that the list is hosted at Angani, hope there is future-proof good-will from the current owners to have the forum hosted there as was without fee.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, right?
The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to have his signature style of action.
I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz!
So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the ouster of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came in and disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in by Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I know like eacdirectory.co.ke lost quite some business because of this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many others...
What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain.
Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous Cloud Service?
I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could have been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile takeover.
Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror.
On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc.
Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it...
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
a) Phares Kariuki is a he :)
b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed
c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani.
d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform.
e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya
On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
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On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This is pretty common in my experience.
Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the founders / management.
Regards,
John K.
On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on doing something positive and not this propaganda war.
They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this issue.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over?
On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00...
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Anderson, that is a very strong characterisation. I'm not privy to the happenings at Angani, neither do I support the business practices of some of the members there, but I'm certain of one thing, that ownership of the company changed after exchange of money. When you give up 50%+1 of your company, you stop having any vito power. I would hate to buy a company then I'm called a thief. If you love your company like your wife, don't prostitute her. On Nov 21, 2015 6:32 AM, "Anderson Levi via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 to Bwana Lawi, Odhiambo, Ndungu Kyalo and the rest with a similar point of view.
The only reason a thief comes into your house is to take what he doesn't have. A lot of noise is being made to try and obscure this basic truth. On Nov 20, 2015 12:29 PM, "Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The password aspect reminds me of a similar case in the US, of course that was under US law and different circumstances.
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/05/0041255/withhold-passwords-from-your-...
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 Bwana Lawi.
We can advance all theories to appear sane in a throroughly insane situation - which is what happened at Angani!
"And to make matters worse, they were willing to do the takeover at the expense of customer data and operations." - THAT IS INSANE!
On 20 November 2015 at 11:27, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
What makes this situation a bit hard to swallow is that no-one in their right mind would have expected board members to screw up their company over a simple chain of custody. Yet all indications show that is the source of the messy breakup. And calling for the other side of the story doesn't make their side valid. A thief will have his side of the story when robbing you. That still does not make his reason valid.
If you go deeper into Angani woes circles you'll be amazed at how arrogant the new management simply was. Hostile takeover of the company AND the platform. They succeeded in taking over the company, they screwed up the platform.
And to make matters worse, they were willing to do the takeover at the expense of customer data and operations. Which in the end again the screwed up. If these so-called investors just wanted to run a cloud company without the ousted management why not just start their own? If they felt the Phares and co were incompetent why not take their money elsewhere?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:02 AM, kiri kish via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is a wake up call to all techies methinks. I feel we need to equip ourselves not only technically but also have the business acumen and emotional intelligence that suffices to run or manage companies.
I totally agree with James where almost all the companies are IT dependent. Case in point financial institutions where all the processes are automated. HOWEVER, if you look at the executive management teams in most of the local banks websites few will feature a CIO or IT manager and if they do most probably the Director of operations and technology will not have an Techie background. Heck, technical guys wount be sometimes part of EXCO or ALCO.
Well, i agree sometimes IT is a thankless profession and few will appreciate the effort and man hours techies put for things to run smoothly but there should be a paradigm shift and we need to be felt in this corporate ecosystem.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, James Kagwe via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It is not right to accept a defeatist position that techies are not the right people to run their businesses and even if that was the case it's important to appreciate they form a major component of the operations of the business. We need to exude confidence as techies to gain respect from other professionals.
Consider how our friends in finance and accounting floss with organisational money as if they are the only ones generating revenue. Yet we know they just stay in office waiting for the cheques only to dictate to us how to spend the money. We need to floss with technology as well. It is not a secret that modern companies including nontechnical cannot run without ICT's.
Rgds, J@m3s On Nov 20, 2015 9:32 AM, "George Irungu via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> It would be interesting to know how many companies here have voted > with their feet and left the service. > > > > *From:* Toilem Godwin via skunkworks [mailto: > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke] > *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:19 PM > *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>; joe > mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] angani woes > > > > From the thread i have come to agree with Muya and Washington. > > I was really proud of what Angani had achieved. They showed us there > is a possibility of having Cloud services in kenya. None if few of us > thought that would be possible. > > This is a typi al example of greedy investors who were able to > "ingiza box" a local in thier selfish endevour. > > How can one trust Angani again after they brought hackers to "break" > sstems that were secured??? > > I think the current management ("dire tors" ) are in for a rude > shock...... > > On Nov 19, 2015 8:29 PM, "joe mwirigi via skunkworks" < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > Now that the list is hosted at Angani, hope there is future-proof > good-will from the current owners to have the forum hosted there as was > without fee. > > > > > > > *_______________________________________________________________We > must Keep on, We can't stop here * > > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the > other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, > right? > > > > The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to > have his signature style of action. > > > > I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is > Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz! > > > > So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the ouster > of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came in and > disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in by > Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I > know like eacdirectory.co.ke lost quite some business because of > this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many > others... > > > > What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even > put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain. > > > > Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages > now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) > to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the > pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous > Cloud Service? > > > > I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could have > been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile takeover. > > > > Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side > of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror. > > > > > > > > > > On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than > meets the eye. > > However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra > mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc. > > Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both > local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. > Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in > to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of > Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it... > > Mugo > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > a) Phares Kariuki is a he :) > > b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, > this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the > part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed > > c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another > Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will > not die because of Angani. > > d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how > to run a cloud platform. > > e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't > knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the > so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in > jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex. > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > Having considered all the information already in the public, I > wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the > founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad > potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who > founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) > determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were > GREEDY! > > ./muya > > On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which > you cannot trust the founders to run ? > > > -- > Ndungi Kyalo > > > > On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > Correct Peter ! > > They have always been here. > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on > this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will > come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > Makes sense now ..... > > Let them move on ! > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that > suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This > is pretty common in my experience. > > > > Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax > management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the > founders / management. > > > Regards, > > John K. > > > > On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > > The article seems rather bias. 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As a business owner myself I'm saying that there's a difference between what is legal and what is right. A lot of things that were once legal we now acknowledge as being wrong e.g. slavery, apartheid. I'm not saying this is on that level, obviously not, but I hope you get the point. The reaction that we have seen, from this forum and others, is that what is going on here is morally wrong even if they might get away with it legally. If the intention of the original owners was to prostitute their "wife" this email thread would not exist. On Nov 21, 2015 8:25 AM, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Anderson, that is a very strong characterisation. I'm not privy to the happenings at Angani, neither do I support the business practices of some of the members there, but I'm certain of one thing, that ownership of the company changed after exchange of money. When you give up 50%+1 of your company, you stop having any vito power. I would hate to buy a company then I'm called a thief. If you love your company like your wife, don't prostitute her. On Nov 21, 2015 6:32 AM, "Anderson Levi via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 to Bwana Lawi, Odhiambo, Ndungu Kyalo and the rest with a similar point of view.
The only reason a thief comes into your house is to take what he doesn't have. A lot of noise is being made to try and obscure this basic truth. On Nov 20, 2015 12:29 PM, "Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The password aspect reminds me of a similar case in the US, of course that was under US law and different circumstances.
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/05/0041255/withhold-passwords-from-your-...
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 Bwana Lawi.
We can advance all theories to appear sane in a throroughly insane situation - which is what happened at Angani!
"And to make matters worse, they were willing to do the takeover at the expense of customer data and operations." - THAT IS INSANE!
On 20 November 2015 at 11:27, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
What makes this situation a bit hard to swallow is that no-one in their right mind would have expected board members to screw up their company over a simple chain of custody. Yet all indications show that is the source of the messy breakup. And calling for the other side of the story doesn't make their side valid. A thief will have his side of the story when robbing you. That still does not make his reason valid.
If you go deeper into Angani woes circles you'll be amazed at how arrogant the new management simply was. Hostile takeover of the company AND the platform. They succeeded in taking over the company, they screwed up the platform.
And to make matters worse, they were willing to do the takeover at the expense of customer data and operations. Which in the end again the screwed up. If these so-called investors just wanted to run a cloud company without the ousted management why not just start their own? If they felt the Phares and co were incompetent why not take their money elsewhere?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:02 AM, kiri kish via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is a wake up call to all techies methinks. I feel we need to equip ourselves not only technically but also have the business acumen and emotional intelligence that suffices to run or manage companies.
I totally agree with James where almost all the companies are IT dependent. Case in point financial institutions where all the processes are automated. HOWEVER, if you look at the executive management teams in most of the local banks websites few will feature a CIO or IT manager and if they do most probably the Director of operations and technology will not have an Techie background. Heck, technical guys wount be sometimes part of EXCO or ALCO.
Well, i agree sometimes IT is a thankless profession and few will appreciate the effort and man hours techies put for things to run smoothly but there should be a paradigm shift and we need to be felt in this corporate ecosystem.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:45 AM, James Kagwe via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> It is not right to accept a defeatist position that techies are not > the right people to run their businesses and even if that was the case it's > important to appreciate they form a major component of the operations of > the business. We need to exude confidence as techies to gain respect from > other professionals. > > Consider how our friends in finance and accounting floss with > organisational money as if they are the only ones generating revenue. Yet > we know they just stay in office waiting for the cheques only to dictate to > us how to spend the money. We need to floss with technology as well. It is > not a secret that modern companies including nontechnical cannot run > without ICT's. > > Rgds, > J@m3s > On Nov 20, 2015 9:32 AM, "George Irungu via skunkworks" < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> It would be interesting to know how many companies here have voted >> with their feet and left the service. >> >> >> >> *From:* Toilem Godwin via skunkworks [mailto: >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke] >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:19 PM >> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>; joe >> mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] angani woes >> >> >> >> From the thread i have come to agree with Muya and Washington. >> >> I was really proud of what Angani had achieved. They showed us >> there is a possibility of having Cloud services in kenya. None if few of us >> thought that would be possible. >> >> This is a typi al example of greedy investors who were able to >> "ingiza box" a local in thier selfish endevour. >> >> How can one trust Angani again after they brought hackers to >> "break" sstems that were secured??? >> >> I think the current management ("dire tors" ) are in for a rude >> shock...... >> >> On Nov 19, 2015 8:29 PM, "joe mwirigi via skunkworks" < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> Now that the list is hosted at Angani, hope there is future-proof >> good-will from the current owners to have the forum hosted there as was >> without fee. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *_______________________________________________________________We >> must Keep on, We can't stop here * >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks >> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> So far it comes out (without the benefit of the knowledge of the >> other side of the coin so far) that Riyaz joined and screwed up Angani, >> right? >> >> >> >> The whole story revolves around Riyaz joining Angani and seems to >> have his signature style of action. >> >> >> >> I hope we are not afraid to name names since the equation cleary is >> Angani = Phares + Brian; Angani = Phares + Brian + Riyaz; Angani = Riyaz! >> >> >> >> So with Riyaz having been put in charge, as the CEO after the >> ouster of Phares, it can only be concluded that the hackers who then came >> in and disregarded the handover process put forth by Brian were brought in >> by Riyaz, yes? And that hostility lead to the disaster the country faced? I >> know like eacdirectory.co.ke lost quite some business because of >> this and from the posts on the Whatsapp group, there must have been many >> others... >> >> >> >> What does this tell me? A lot of things. None of which I can even >> put down. It just creates kizunguzungu in my small brain. >> >> >> >> Riyaz has been a major player in the Kenyan ICT industry for ages >> now. It's inconceivable how he could work with others (investors+outsiders) >> to destroy what some indigenous Kenyans built from scratch. Angani was the >> pride of Kenyans. Is there any other country in EA that has an indigenous >> Cloud Service? >> >> >> >> I don't know what happened/went so wrong but I suppose it could >> have been easier to just buyout Phares+Brian instead of the hostile >> takeover. >> >> >> >> Riyaz is in this list. Maybe one day he will tell us the other side >> of the story, but for now, he takes the whole blame for the horror. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 19 November 2015 at 17:13, m mugo via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> I agree with listers that there might be more to this story than >> meets the eye. >> >> However, a lot of advise here has been for people to go an extra >> mile when drawing up legal agreements with partners, investors, etc. >> >> Of the Brenda Wambui story, what stuck out is the racism by both >> local non-black Kenyans and foreigners. >> Young, clueless, over-eager, over-paid individuals being brought in >> to 'manage' locals. We experience this a lot but our rotten systems of >> Immigration, Labour, Legal are too busy to give a damn about it... >> >> Mugo >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> a) Phares Kariuki is a he :) >> >> b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, >> this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the >> part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed >> >> c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another >> Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will >> not die because of Angani. >> >> d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on >> how to run a cloud platform. >> >> e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't >> knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the >> so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in >> jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> Having considered all the information already in the public, I >> wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the >> founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad >> potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who >> founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) >> determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were >> GREEDY! >> >> ./muya >> >> On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company >> which you cannot trust the founders to run ? >> >> >> -- >> Ndungi Kyalo >> >> >> >> On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> Correct Peter ! >> >> They have always been here. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members >> on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will >> come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks >> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> Makes sense now ..... >> >> Let them move on ! >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business >> that suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. >> This is pretty common in my experience. >> >> >> >> Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax >> management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the >> founders / management. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> John K. >> >> >> >> On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders >> losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on >> doing something positive and not this propaganda war. >> >> They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short. >> >> >> David Njuguna Ndungu >> https://github.com/dnjuguna >> https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna >> +1 415 800 3640 >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this >> issue. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to >> run it? >> >> Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out >> and take over? >> >> On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >> I will just leave this here... >> >> >> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, 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You look and listen at all this mess and cant help but wonder. I know neither Phares Kariuki, Riyaz Bachani or Brian Muita in person, but i have seen Phares atleast respond here/on the whatsapp group. The only person I've interacted with at Angani happens to share a surname with their CEO-she's Tabish Bachani. Habing said that, Riyaz Bachani could be a CEO and quite busy to respond on lists and groups but the absence of such responses-if you ask me, his(and his team) is a classical case of impunity-that attitude of 'Either my way or the highway and we owe no one an apology'. In the spirit of collective responsibilty both as a society and as a profession, such people should belong elsewhere not in professional groups. We must go back to the days when morals, ethics and discipline were a society responsibilty. Abit radical but its OUR opinion not yOUR opinion. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: joe mwirigi via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:22:14 To: Odhiambo Washington<odhiambo@gmail.com>; Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com>, Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] angani woes _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
I'd be more interested to hear from both parties though I have come to the conclusion that this was a hostile takeover from foreign investors aided by some local non-black Kenyans. I hope angani, with it's current management, burns to ashes, and Phares and Brian, with the support of local techies spin a new platform that it's success will have the so-called investors gnashing their teeth. On 19 Nov 2015 21:44, "Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
You look and listen at all this mess and cant help but wonder. I know neither Phares Kariuki, Riyaz Bachani or Brian Muita in person, but i have seen Phares atleast respond here/on the whatsapp group. The only person I've interacted with at Angani happens to share a surname with their CEO-she's Tabish Bachani. Habing said that, Riyaz Bachani could be a CEO and quite busy to respond on lists and groups but the absence of such responses-if you ask me, his(and his team) is a classical case of impunity-that attitude of 'Either my way or the highway and we owe no one an apology'. In the spirit of collective responsibilty both as a society and as a profession, such people should belong elsewhere not in professional groups. We must go back to the days when morals, ethics and discipline were a society responsibilty. Abit radical but its OUR opinion not yOUR opinion. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Let's wait and see what happens. I believe the original founders are able to pick themselves up and come up with something still - it's not so much their reputation that is tainted here. The show of greed displayed though, is just hard to describe. On 19 November 2015 at 21:43, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
You look and listen at all this mess and cant help but wonder. I know neither Phares Kariuki, Riyaz Bachani or Brian Muita in person, but i have seen Phares atleast respond here/on the whatsapp group. The only person I've interacted with at Angani happens to share a surname with their CEO-she's Tabish Bachani. Habing said that, Riyaz Bachani could be a CEO and quite busy to respond on lists and groups but the absence of such responses-if you ask me, his(and his team) is a classical case of impunity-that attitude of 'Either my way or the highway and we owe no one an apology'. In the spirit of collective responsibilty both as a society and as a profession, such people should belong elsewhere not in professional groups. We must go back to the days when morals, ethics and discipline were a society responsibilty. Abit radical but its OUR opinion not yOUR opinion. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money. When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do. Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later). Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups. The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984. Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co... http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E... If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
@Sammy - Thanks for the unbiased look at the situation, I totally agree with you. I believe there is still a lot we need to know about this story. ./Ok3ch On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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@Sammy: thanks for sharing. On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@Sammy - Thanks for the unbiased look at the situation, I totally agree with you. I believe there is still a lot we need to know about this story.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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In my opinion,I would like to actually hear the other side of the story.As far as im concerned the article by Brenda not only invokes the emotional aspect of this side of the story and goes as far as bringing up the topic of racial discrimination and all that boohoo about us blacks being the victims(and i stand to be corrected on this).This was business!!!! What i would like to hear is the business perspective to this story.For example what happened when the new 'Investors ' came in.Was there a shift in strategy that possibly could have compromised investor funds to warrant the hostile takeover??I assume the management team had actually done their homework on who they were bringing into their business and so knew what they were getting themselves into and the investors too had a common ground on which they based their agreement.Was there a breach in agreement??Or was it a classic case of greed and opportunism? However,I see this as an opportunity to learn from the mistakes of our predecessors on who and how we bring in investors to our businesses.What purpose are the external investors coming to serve in our businesses should be one of the questions at the back of our minds.For example are they bringing in capital to scale up our operations?,are they solving a cashflow problem we have?,are they bringing in a franchise for example in our name? or are they adding goodwill to our business?? are some of the purposes.I believe we also have a responsibility to look out for ourselves when bringing in investors to protect what we've worked so hard for. Im watching this to get actual facts on this. To Phares and the team I wish them Godspeed and luck as they look to the future moving forward. To the rest of us the classic case applies"keep your friends close and your enemies closer."Your enemies are clear in their intentions but your friends will blindside you when you expect it least. My two cents Kind Regards, Alex Kairu Kariuki. On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@Sammy - Thanks for the unbiased look at the situation, I totally agree with you. I believe there is still a lot we need to know about this story.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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Techies should learn a few things about transforming an idea that has gained traction into a formal business. This so and so screwed so and so is just nonsense. This is a man eat man society and its the strength of the dollar that barks loudest. At some point Phares and Brian had 100% shareholding in Angani. Investors came in....The question is how much shares did they buy? Of the cash they pumped in what did it equate to? Did some cash go into direct share purchase, what was debt? Before bringing in the sharks do some valuation of your idea or company. whatever the investor brings make sure you still maintain control of the business, you could split the sharks contribution into outright share purchase and some component as debt. If they come in with $1M give them 30% stake at $0.7 and the rest make it debt convertible to equity. Businesses are run through shareholding strengths and boardroom seats. so next time someone with big cash comes, slow down, engage a transaction advisor. Sincerely, Jared Oyier On 20 November 2015 at 07:54, kariuki kairu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
In my opinion,I would like to actually hear the other side of the story.As far as im concerned the article by Brenda not only invokes the emotional aspect of this side of the story and goes as far as bringing up the topic of racial discrimination and all that boohoo about us blacks being the victims(and i stand to be corrected on this).This was business!!!!
What i would like to hear is the business perspective to this story.For example what happened when the new 'Investors ' came in.Was there a shift in strategy that possibly could have compromised investor funds to warrant the hostile takeover??I assume the management team had actually done their homework on who they were bringing into their business and so knew what they were getting themselves into and the investors too had a common ground on which they based their agreement.Was there a breach in agreement??Or was it a classic case of greed and opportunism?
However,I see this as an opportunity to learn from the mistakes of our predecessors on who and how we bring in investors to our businesses.What purpose are the external investors coming to serve in our businesses should be one of the questions at the back of our minds.For example are they bringing in capital to scale up our operations?,are they solving a cashflow problem we have?,are they bringing in a franchise for example in our name? or are they adding goodwill to our business?? are some of the purposes.I believe we also have a responsibility to look out for ourselves when bringing in investors to protect what we've worked so hard for.
Im watching this to get actual facts on this.
To Phares and the team I wish them Godspeed and luck as they look to the future moving forward.
To the rest of us the classic case applies"keep your friends close and your enemies closer."Your enemies are clear in their intentions but your friends will blindside you when you expect it least.
My two cents
Kind Regards, Alex Kairu Kariuki.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@Sammy - Thanks for the unbiased look at the situation, I totally agree with you. I believe there is still a lot we need to know about this story.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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Sammy, I too totally agree. It is said "*in a well-run relay race, the baton-holder is supposed to sprint into the exchange area, only slowing down as the second runner speeds up to grab the baton*" I also think that in as much as we are in support for our friends (and Angani founders - Brian & Phares) the lesson is that we should always try to put in adequate systems in place to ensure transition is smooth. In this case, it might appear that the blame should squarely be on the 'hostile' parties (Riyaz et al - they should have ensured a smooth transition) but if the founders had put adequate documentation and systems for the prosperity of Angani, the transition would have been smoother (they are the ones who accepted the investors to join the company and should have made enough consideration for the benefit of the Angani customers/clients during the exit/ouster). Thus, it will take some time for all the aggrieved parties to regain the trust of both customers and future partners/investors based on how the current Angani situation was handled. Kennedy On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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@sammy the funny thing is techies sometimes are never the right people to run a business and whatever happened at angani is expected in any startup where investors are involved especially where ROI is critical. My 2 cents. Maxwell
On Nov 20, 2015, at 06:27, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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On 20 November 2015 at 08:29, Ochieng Maxwell via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@sammy the funny thing is techies sometimes are never the right people to run a business and whatever happened at angani is expected in any startup where investors are involved especially where ROI is critical.
But Maxwell, if techies are not the right people to run their business then why buy into it in the first place? If the investor feels they can do it better than a techie, then they should simply walk over to Sheria house and register their own competing business and then in the words of the late JJ Kamotho "tukutane kwa ndebe!!". I refuse to buy the line that a techie is not the right person to run even if her/his own business. Utter hogwash! -- Ndungi Kyalo
+1 Sammy Njoroge ... Elon Musk must be a motivator here. Boardroom wars never pulled him down, they only catapulted him to greater heights despite his heavy South African accent and different way of doing things. Brian and Phares... the ball is in your court, you now have our attention, kama mtahitaji harambee mseme mapema, Christmas inakaribia :-) On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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The other side of the story, http://whiteafrican.com/2015/11/23/startup-governance-in-silicon-savannah/ On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Kariuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 Sammy Njoroge ... Elon Musk must be a motivator here. Boardroom wars never pulled him down, they only catapulted him to greater heights despite his heavy South African accent and different way of doing things.
Brian and Phares... the ball is in your court, you now have our attention, kama mtahitaji harambee mseme mapema, Christmas inakaribia :-)
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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Thanks Brian for the link. I find the tone a little condescending but I that's just me. In the end though I hope it was worth it for Angani. On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The other side of the story, http://whiteafrican.com/2015/11/23/startup-governance-in-silicon-savannah/
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Kariuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 Sammy Njoroge ... Elon Musk must be a motivator here. Boardroom wars never pulled him down, they only catapulted him to greater heights despite his heavy South African accent and different way of doing things.
Brian and Phares... the ball is in your court, you now have our attention, kama mtahitaji harambee mseme mapema, Christmas inakaribia :-)
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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I see nothing wrong with the tone of the 'other side' and the fact that they are able to give their side of the ongoings is very good - Now from the two, we can deduce the third side to the story, the truth ./Ok3ch On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Brian for the link.
I find the tone a little condescending but I that's just me. In the end though I hope it was worth it for Angani.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The other side of the story, http://whiteafrican.com/2015/11/23/startup-governance-in-silicon-savannah/
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Kariuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 Sammy Njoroge ... Elon Musk must be a motivator here. Boardroom wars never pulled him down, they only catapulted him to greater heights despite his heavy South African accent and different way of doing things.
Brian and Phares... the ball is in your court, you now have our attention, kama mtahitaji harambee mseme mapema, Christmas inakaribia :-)
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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Okech hehe the 3rd force ? On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the tone of the 'other side' and the fact that they are able to give their side of the ongoings is very good - Now from the two, we can deduce the third side to the story, the truth
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Brian for the link.
I find the tone a little condescending but I that's just me. In the end though I hope it was worth it for Angani.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The other side of the story, http://whiteafrican.com/2015/11/23/startup-governance-in-silicon-savannah/
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Kariuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 Sammy Njoroge ... Elon Musk must be a motivator here. Boardroom wars never pulled him down, they only catapulted him to greater heights despite his heavy South African accent and different way of doing things.
Brian and Phares... the ball is in your court, you now have our attention, kama mtahitaji harambee mseme mapema, Christmas inakaribia :-)
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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business at the end of it all is business.... A new vision if yours doesnt work..... ends up with you booted... On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the tone of the 'other side' and the fact that they are able to give their side of the ongoings is very good - Now from the two, we can deduce the third side to the story, the truth
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Brian for the link.
I find the tone a little condescending but I that's just me. In the end though I hope it was worth it for Angani.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The other side of the story, http://whiteafrican.com/2015/11/23/startup-governance-in-silicon-savannah/
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Kariuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 Sammy Njoroge ... Elon Musk must be a motivator here. Boardroom wars never pulled him down, they only catapulted him to greater heights despite his heavy South African accent and different way of doing things.
Brian and Phares... the ball is in your court, you now have our attention, kama mtahitaji harambee mseme mapema, Christmas inakaribia :-)
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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business at the end of it all is business.... A new vision if yours doesnt work..... ends up with you booted...
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the tone of the 'other side' and the fact that they are able to give their side of the ongoings is very good - Now from the two, we can deduce the third side to the story, the truth
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Brian for the link.
I find the tone a little condescending but I that's just me. In the end though I hope it was worth it for Angani.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The other side of the story, http://whiteafrican.com/2015/11/23/startup-governance-in-silicon-savannah/
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Kariuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 Sammy Njoroge ... Elon Musk must be a motivator here. Boardroom wars never pulled him down, they only catapulted him to greater heights despite his heavy South African accent and different way of doing things.
Brian and Phares... the ball is in your court, you now have our attention, kama mtahitaji harambee mseme mapema, Christmas inakaribia :-)
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
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It seems to have inspired some satire.... https://biamoto.wordpress.com/ On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Paul Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
http://www.iafrikan.com/2015/11/23/angani-saga-2015/
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Christopher Gitonga via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
business at the end of it all is business.... A new vision if yours doesnt work..... ends up with you booted...
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the tone of the 'other side' and the fact that they are able to give their side of the ongoings is very good - Now from the two, we can deduce the third side to the story, the truth
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Brian for the link.
I find the tone a little condescending but I that's just me. In the end though I hope it was worth it for Angani.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The other side of the story, http://whiteafrican.com/2015/11/23/startup-governance-in-silicon-savannah/
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Kariuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 Sammy Njoroge ... Elon Musk must be a motivator here. Boardroom wars never pulled him down, they only catapulted him to greater heights despite his heavy South African accent and different way of doing things.
Brian and Phares... the ball is in your court, you now have our attention, kama mtahitaji harambee mseme mapema, Christmas inakaribia :-)
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors > will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. > They are in it for the business/money. > > When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what > they've done rather what they can do. > > Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are > best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later). > > Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, > BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as > coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups. > > The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter > Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we > wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust > Tesla's founder and grow the company > > Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the > helm back in 1984. > > Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma > > > http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co... > > > http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E... > > If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that > have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done > their homework. > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Interesting read On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Andrew G via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
It seems to have inspired some satire....
https://biamoto.wordpress.com/
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Paul Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
http://www.iafrikan.com/2015/11/23/angani-saga-2015/
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Christopher Gitonga via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
business at the end of it all is business.... A new vision if yours doesnt work..... ends up with you booted...
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Okechukwu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the tone of the 'other side' and the fact that they are able to give their side of the ongoings is very good - Now from the two, we can deduce the third side to the story, the truth
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Brian for the link.
I find the tone a little condescending but I that's just me. In the end though I hope it was worth it for Angani.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The other side of the story, http://whiteafrican.com/2015/11/23/startup-governance-in-silicon-savannah/
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Kariuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> +1 Sammy Njoroge ... Elon Musk must be a motivator here. Boardroom > wars never pulled him down, they only catapulted him to greater heights > despite his heavy South African accent and different way of doing things. > > Brian and Phares... the ball is in your court, you now have our > attention, kama mtahitaji harambee mseme mapema, Christmas inakaribia :-) > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors >> will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. >> They are in it for the business/money. >> >> When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what >> they've done rather what they can do. >> >> Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are >> best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later). >> >> Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, >> BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as >> coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups. >> >> The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and >> Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we >> wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust >> Tesla's founder and grow the company >> >> Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the >> helm back in 1984. >> >> Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma >> >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co... >> >> >> http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E... >> >> If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares >> that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had >> done their homework. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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What this article has done in effect, I believe despite the writer's sincerest intentions is brand the silicon savannah racist. If you now google "racism silicon savannah" guess who's article tops the search? So what will a potential investor now think when they read the first 3 paragraphs of the article and don't have the patience to get the final thoughts (which made alot of sense btw)? Racism like tribalism is a sensitive issue in Kenya and the writer should have gotten wind of that long before putting their thoughts on paper. The race card remained a non-issue here unless ofcourse Phares and Brian came out openly and declared themselves victims. On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Brian for the link.
I find the tone a little condescending but I that's just me. In the end though I hope it was worth it for Angani.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The other side of the story, http://whiteafrican.com/2015/11/23/startup-governance-in-silicon-savannah/
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Kariuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
+1 Sammy Njoroge ... Elon Musk must be a motivator here. Boardroom wars never pulled him down, they only catapulted him to greater heights despite his heavy South African accent and different way of doing things.
Brian and Phares... the ball is in your court, you now have our attention, kama mtahitaji harambee mseme mapema, Christmas inakaribia :-)
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Sammy Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Board room / founder coups within startups are common. Investors will always insist on control of the board to keep the business in check. They are in it for the business/money.
When it is said they invest in a person it is not because of what they've done rather what they can do.
Despite founders coming up with the idea it does not imply they are best placed to lead the business (they may gain business experience later).
Simply put Rolls Royce, Google, Apple, PayPal, Cisco, yahoo, BlackBerry have gone through a similar thing. Some amicably and some as coups. Even Facebook and twitter had co-founder coups.
The way I look at it is if Musk wasn't kicked out of X.com and Peter Thiel put in control he'd probably have run it to the ground and we wouldn't have PayPal, space X, Tesla and Solar city. He went on to oust Tesla's founder and grow the company
Even Apple would probably have gone broke with steve jobs at the helm back in 1984.
Some good reads - https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma
http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/31/how-to-avoid-getting-fired-from-your-own-co...
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_End_Of_An_E...
If you call this greed how about reading up on preferred shares that have a liquidation preference :) I hope the founders at Angani had done their homework.
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CORRECTION: He's Phares Kaboro <LOL> On 19 November 2015 at 16:36, Bwana Lawi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
a) Phares Kariuki is a he :) b) I have been following the story and, unless otherwise convinced, this was a blatant show of disdain for the founders and arrogance on the part of the newcomers. And greed. So. Much. Greed c) I believe Phares and Brian can still come up with another Angani. It may take time to gain public confidence but cloud in Kenya will not die because of Angani. d) I don't think the new Angani management has any experience on how to run a cloud platform. e) We were running 2 critical services off Angani. I wouldn't knowingly and willingly step within a mile of any service run by the so-called new management at Angani. They put us and our customers in jeopardy just to massage their ego and superiority complex.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Muya via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Having considered all the information already in the public, I wouldn't say they invested in a company which they didn't trust the founders to run! I would argue that they saw a 'beautiful' company with mad potential and thought they could have it all by ousting the people who founded it! They wanted the company, minus people who would (rightfully) determine the direction it should take. In one phrase, the investors were GREEDY!
./muya On Nov 19, 2015 2:56 PM, "Ndungi Kyalo via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I'll also ask like the blogger asked : Why invest in a company which you cannot trust the founders to run ?
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On 19 November 2015 at 14:35, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Correct Peter !
They have always been here.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Peter Karunyu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but I think all four parties are members on this list. Sooner or later, I bet several other sides of the story will come up, and each of us will be left to decide which side to belief/belong.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Makes sense now .....
Let them move on !
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, John K. via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Not really sure what to say, this sounds like a normal business that > suffered inter-personal issues with the founders and new 'investors'. This > is pretty common in my experience. > > Investors get weary when they start to notice slow growth, lax > management etc, and so issues will eventually arise and they blaming the > founders / management. > > Regards, > John K. > > On 19 November 2015 at 12:57, David Njuguna via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> The article seems rather bias. While I sympathize with founders >> losing control of their company, I think they should focus their energy on >> doing something positive and not this propaganda war. >> >> They could cash out and build a new start-up. Life is too short. >> >> David Njuguna Ndungu >> https://github.com/dnjuguna >> https://ke.linkedin.com/in/davidnjuguna >> +1 415 800 3640 >> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Brian Maiyo via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Anyone else find it weird that this list is totally mum on this >>> issue. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to >>>> run it? >>>> >>>> Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out >>>> and take over? >>>> On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will just leave this here... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00... >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Interesting how Angani has been a topic of discussion on so many online forums. Save this one. Life is full of surprises, 'tis all I can say. S. On 19 November 2015 at 08:20, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00...
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considering that skunk-mails have been down for most of the "debate-period" it might not be so strange... On 11/19/15 12:50 PM, Simon Mbuthia via skunkworks wrote:
Interesting how Angani has been a topic of discussion on so many online forums. Save this one.
Life is full of surprises, 'tis all I can say.
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On 19 November 2015 at 08:20, Brian Ngure via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over?
On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00...
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The truth is that the issue have been discussed at length on the Skunkworks WhatsApp group. Skunkworks mailing list was hosted at Angani and sunk with it like many other system. The list has been down until a few days ago, explaining the silence. I stand to be corrected. J@m3s On Nov 19, 2015 12:56 PM, "Michael Pedersen via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
considering that skunk-mails have been down for most of the "debate-period" it might not be so strange...
On 11/19/15 12:50 PM, Simon Mbuthia via skunkworks wrote:
Interesting how Angani has been a topic of discussion on so many online forums. Save this one.
Life is full of surprises, 'tis all I can say.
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On 19 November 2015 at 08:20, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00...
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Considering that skunkworks is a VM on Angani, and went down with them until they revived it! On 19 November 2015 at 12:53, Michael Pedersen via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
considering that skunk-mails have been down for most of the "debate-period" it might not be so strange...
On 11/19/15 12:50 PM, Simon Mbuthia via skunkworks wrote:
Interesting how Angani has been a topic of discussion on so many online forums. Save this one.
Life is full of surprises, 'tis all I can say.
S.
On 19 November 2015 at 08:20, Brian Ngure via skunkworks < <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Why invest in a company if you don't trust the founders/owners to run it?
Maybe because what you wanted from the start was to kick them out and take over? On 19 Nov 2015 5:51 am, "Kiti Chigiri via skunkworks" < <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I will just leave this here...
https://medium.com/@brendawambui/corruption-in-the-silicon-savannah-9e393a00...
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