Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000084190&story_title=Kenya-orang...
So why should we pay Orange if google starts to pay them? On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO
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So do the telcos want everyone offering content to pay them/share revenue? It's a crap argument AFAICS, because we pay the telcos to access the content. If the telcos were allowing us access to Google's content for free, then they would be justified in their revenue share argument. That's my shortsighted opinion. On 22 May 2013 12:10, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO
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This is such monumental crap that Google should throw a party to laugh at them. For starters they are nowhere near being the dominant internet provider and as far as I can tell this is not France. The French have a tendency of turning ridiculous notions into acceptable norms. you only have to look at west african francophone nations and their arrangements with the French central bank to understand this. But then knowing how much our government likes to bend over backwards for them I would not be surprised if the regulator passes a regulation requiring it. On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
So do the telcos want everyone offering content to pay them/share revenue?
It's a crap argument AFAICS, because we pay the telcos to access the content. If the telcos were allowing us access to Google's content for free, then they would be justified in their revenue share argument. That's my shortsighted opinion.
On 22 May 2013 12:10, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000084190&story_title=Kenya-orang...
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I know it is total nonsense !! But that's what Orange managed to do in secret with Google in France... and it seems the tendency is that such kind of agreement will spread in Europe in the near future. Note that in order to show to Google that it is not correct, other providers had installed YouTube ad-blocks Totally agree, this is not France. YouTube bandwith usage in Kenya must be very low compare to YouTube bandwidth usage in France. Note also that French Govt forbid DailyMotion to be bought by Yahoo and it is still property of Orange As for French tendency of turning thing ridiculous notions into norms, do you also include the end of monarchy, the Declaration of Human Rights and the abolition of slavery as ridiculous notions, Just don't generalise :) This Orange had been made possible because technocrats in Brussels said nothing about it... In fact, in you dig a bit, you will find out that Neelie Kroes, EU Commissioner for Digital Agenda, is the one supporting this idea of bandwidth management and pushing ISP to provide different bandwidth to different people according to their needs and budget. http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-... On 22 May 2013 12:47, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
This is such monumental crap that Google should throw a party to laugh at them. For starters they are nowhere near being the dominant internet provider and as far as I can tell this is not France. The French have a tendency of turning ridiculous notions into acceptable norms. you only have to look at west african francophone nations and their arrangements with the French central bank to understand this.
But then knowing how much our government likes to bend over backwards for them I would not be surprised if the regulator passes a regulation requiring it.
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
So do the telcos want everyone offering content to pay them/share revenue?
It's a crap argument AFAICS, because we pay the telcos to access the content. If the telcos were allowing us access to Google's content for free, then they would be justified in their revenue share argument. That's my shortsighted opinion.
On 22 May 2013 12:10, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000084190&story_title=Kenya-orang...
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A perfect Net Neutrality debate On 22 May 2013 13:16, TheBigBoss <thebigboss@peperuka.com> wrote:
I know it is total nonsense !! But that's what Orange managed to do in secret with Google in France... and it seems the tendency is that such kind of agreement will spread in Europe in the near future. Note that in order to show to Google that it is not correct, other providers had installed YouTube ad-blocks
Totally agree, this is not France. YouTube bandwith usage in Kenya must be very low compare to YouTube bandwidth usage in France. Note also that French Govt forbid DailyMotion to be bought by Yahoo and it is still property of Orange
As for French tendency of turning thing ridiculous notions into norms, do you also include the end of monarchy, the Declaration of Human Rights and the abolition of slavery as ridiculous notions, Just don't generalise :) This Orange had been made possible because technocrats in Brussels said nothing about it... In fact, in you dig a bit, you will find out that Neelie Kroes, EU Commissioner for Digital Agenda, is the one supporting this idea of bandwidth management and pushing ISP to provide different bandwidth to different people according to their needs and budget.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-...
On 22 May 2013 12:47, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
This is such monumental crap that Google should throw a party to laugh at them. For starters they are nowhere near being the dominant internet provider and as far as I can tell this is not France. The French have a tendency of turning ridiculous notions into acceptable norms. you only have to look at west african francophone nations and their arrangements with the French central bank to understand this.
But then knowing how much our government likes to bend over backwards for them I would not be surprised if the regulator passes a regulation requiring it.
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
So do the telcos want everyone offering content to pay them/share revenue?
It's a crap argument AFAICS, because we pay the telcos to access the content. If the telcos were allowing us access to Google's content for free, then they would be justified in their revenue share argument. That's my shortsighted opinion.
On 22 May 2013 12:10, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000084190&story_title=Kenya-orang...
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@bigboss I may have been acidic in my opinion of the french but it comes from what I have observed at Orange. They do not need any help from competitors to earn losses, they do it perfectly by themselves. On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
A perfect Net Neutrality debate
On 22 May 2013 13:16, TheBigBoss <thebigboss@peperuka.com> wrote:
I know it is total nonsense !! But that's what Orange managed to do in secret with Google in France... and it seems the tendency is that such kind of agreement will spread in Europe in the near future. Note that in order to show to Google that it is not correct, other providers had installed YouTube ad-blocks
Totally agree, this is not France. YouTube bandwith usage in Kenya must be very low compare to YouTube bandwidth usage in France. Note also that French Govt forbid DailyMotion to be bought by Yahoo and it is still property of Orange
As for French tendency of turning thing ridiculous notions into norms, do you also include the end of monarchy, the Declaration of Human Rights and the abolition of slavery as ridiculous notions, Just don't generalise :) This Orange had been made possible because technocrats in Brussels said nothing about it... In fact, in you dig a bit, you will find out that Neelie Kroes, EU Commissioner for Digital Agenda, is the one supporting this idea of bandwidth management and pushing ISP to provide different bandwidth to different people according to their needs and budget.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-...
On 22 May 2013 12:47, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
This is such monumental crap that Google should throw a party to laugh at them. For starters they are nowhere near being the dominant internet provider and as far as I can tell this is not France. The French have a tendency of turning ridiculous notions into acceptable norms. you only have to look at west african francophone nations and their arrangements with the French central bank to understand this.
But then knowing how much our government likes to bend over backwards for them I would not be surprised if the regulator passes a regulation requiring it.
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
So do the telcos want everyone offering content to pay them/share revenue?
It's a crap argument AFAICS, because we pay the telcos to access the content. If the telcos were allowing us access to Google's content for free, then they would be justified in their revenue share argument. That's my shortsighted opinion.
On 22 May 2013 12:10, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000084190&story_title=Kenya-orang...
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So what will they do once Google launches Google Fiber in Europe?
Doesn't look logical to me. It means all service providers will be entitled to the same. What about other online service provides such as yahoo and bling? will they be subjected to the same? Where does the chain end? Looks like orange wants to eat from both sides of the plate. On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000084190&story_title=Kenya-orang...
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He was in the news all over in France last year... Orange, first provided in France, has indeed signed an agreement with Google so that they are getting paid for all YouTube viewing. Then, following the agreement, the second provider in France, Free, capped the bandwith for YouTube and subsequently half of French population were unable to browse YouTube. French Govt (who has a share in Orange) said that such agreement is totally legit and other providers are free to do the same It sucks to see Orange is trying to do the same here !! Basically, these are tactics to kill other players in the market. It's bad !! Also, we are heading more and more to customized Internet subscription whereby you pay a monthly or yearly subscription for a certain number of website (like 10 USD/month gives you YouTube + Facebook + Gmail; or 5 USD gives you Wikipedia + Facebook + Twitter). And if you visit a site outside your package you get extra charges... Little by little the ISP is killing the Internet neutrality ! On 22 May 2013 12:19, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
Doesn't look logical to me. It means all service providers will be entitled to the same. What about other online service provides such as yahoo and bling? will they be subjected to the same? Where does the chain end? Looks like orange wants to eat from both sides of the plate.
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000084190&story_title=Kenya-orang...
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Sounds very illogical to me - what if I have a site with very huge traffic, will I have to pay the telco's on top of the bandwidth am paying my hosting provider? ./Ok3ch On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:28 PM, TheBigBoss <thebigboss@peperuka.com>wrote:
He was in the news all over in France last year...
Orange, first provided in France, has indeed signed an agreement with Google so that they are getting paid for all YouTube viewing. Then, following the agreement, the second provider in France, Free, capped the bandwith for YouTube and subsequently half of French population were unable to browse YouTube. French Govt (who has a share in Orange) said that such agreement is totally legit and other providers are free to do the same
It sucks to see Orange is trying to do the same here !! Basically, these are tactics to kill other players in the market. It's bad !! Also, we are heading more and more to customized Internet subscription whereby you pay a monthly or yearly subscription for a certain number of website (like 10 USD/month gives you YouTube + Facebook + Gmail; or 5 USD gives you Wikipedia + Facebook + Twitter). And if you visit a site outside your package you get extra charges... Little by little the ISP is killing the Internet neutrality !
On 22 May 2013 12:19, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
Doesn't look logical to me. It means all service providers will be entitled to the same. What about other online service provides such as yahoo and bling? will they be subjected to the same? Where does the chain end? Looks like orange wants to eat from both sides of the plate.
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000084190&story_title=Kenya-orang...
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if this is allowed every website will eventually have to pay the operators. It could also just be fear in the physical world of the internet where there are shut downs (swiftglobal) , buy outs (access,kdn) and losses(all ISP laying "our own cable"). they should have just run one cable across Kenya and shared it less drama. Google should give a big fat NO and even do a doodle. On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO
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This is like a Matatu guy going to charge a business owner for the passengers he ferried the customer to the business' premises (never mind the passenger paid to be ferried there in the first place) On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Theus Owuor <kootie73@gmail.com> wrote:
if this is allowed every website will eventually have to pay the operators. It could also just be fear in the physical world of the internet where there are shut downs (swiftglobal) , buy outs (access,kdn) and losses(all ISP laying "our own cable"). they should have just run one cable across Kenya and shared it less drama. Google should give a big fat NO and even do a doodle.
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000084190&story_title=Kenya-orang...
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I think it takes a bit of ignorance to suggest getting paid by google. Me thinks that if this were to be allowed(a norm), very soon we should expect bills from our mobile(telephony) providers invoicing us for profits made from doing business on the phone. Orange provides connectivity, it doesn't ensure people access or discover(advertise) google. Should they succeed, we may have a hard time as ICT sector in the near future. ....and then the Prophet of doom rested. [?] On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com>wrote:
This is like a Matatu guy going to charge a business owner for the passengers he ferried the customer to the business' premises (never mind the passenger paid to be ferried there in the first place)
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Theus Owuor <kootie73@gmail.com> wrote:
if this is allowed every website will eventually have to pay the operators. It could also just be fear in the physical world of the internet where there are shut downs (swiftglobal) , buy outs (access,kdn) and losses(all ISP laying "our own cable"). they should have just run one cable across Kenya and shared it less drama. Google should give a big fat NO and even do a doodle.
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting demand from Orange Kenya CEO
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