Another exciting question for programmers...
Ok, the KPLC monitoring is exposing me to many many crazy scenarios on data collections and sets which I cannot complain as it's extremely interesting. One question: suppose that I wanted to create a torrent like data inputs where data can be shared amongst the various peers. How do torrents do it via a different ftp algorithm because they don't use regular ftp. Anyone with an in-depth understanding of torrent architecture would be able to help provide some clues. This would be appreciated. Rgds. :-)
*No one knows torrent architecture?* What kind of ICT technologists exists in KE because if those who use torrents, as technologists, have no inputs on this thread then surely even the lay person torrent user cannot be expected to know. Surely there has to be a high level ICT group in KE that are technology gurus who don't fall into the categories of "users and box customizers with parasitic behaviours ". Can anyone please refer me to a serious KE tech gurus mailing list of which I'd like to become a member. Hii Skunks ni boring boring sana, too anti-development :-( IMHO.
"Software knows no borders .... ", I can't remember the person who said that in here [ http://www.quora.com/What-is-BitTorrents-architecture ]
Hey @Martin, as usual I try to avoid using google as local knowledge base is worth a discussion. Cheers. IMHO. On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
"Software knows no borders .... ", I can't remember the person who said that in here [ http://www.quora.com/What-is-BitTorrents-architecture ] _______________________________________________
@Aki, With such an attitude, do you expect anyone to answer you? Kuwa mpole! ./Ok3ch On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 8:38 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey @Martin, as usual I try to avoid using google as local knowledge base is worth a discussion.
Cheers.
IMHO.
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
"Software knows no borders .... ", I can't remember the person who said that in here [ http://www.quora.com/What-is-BitTorrents-architecture ] _______________________________________________
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@Ok3ch, its nothing to do with attitude, I'm just tooooooooooooo bored of the stereo-type tech mailing lists in KE. There are some serious guys on this list but things like torrents architecture is an easy101 for many here. I know how e.g Limewire etc works but I wanted to to go deeper into the proper architecture and I ain't going to use goole results for this. How come only @Martin/@Obbayi/@Rad are normally the only ones who try and respond and really the most helpful people on list. My questions are a serious indicator of what free scripts are doing to potential programmers. @Pedersen, thnks for that. Even without providing an internet link, when you mention hash tables and sockets, it already starts to make some sense. Wish you could expound more, if you have the time. @Kariuki, thnks for the links. Listers, pls keep in mind that of us were using the internet way back in 1995. So if I want to get my results on what the internet offers, I don't need to place any question onlist. This WILL be the case going forward now. #$¢%&£$@!!!!! Rgds. :-))
@Aki in case you havent realized by now you catch more flies with honey than with cowdung. Talking down at folks will get you nowhere. If you want to look at code for the implementation of torrent protocol - server, client and creator check out bitsharp - http://www.mono-project.com/Bitsharp On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:26 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Ok3ch, its nothing to do with attitude, I'm just tooooooooooooo bored of the stereo-type tech mailing lists in KE. There are some serious guys on this list but things like torrents architecture is an easy101 for many here. I know how e.g Limewire etc works but I wanted to to go deeper into the proper architecture and I ain't going to use goole results for this. How come only @Martin/@Obbayi/@Rad are normally the only ones who try and respond and really the most helpful people on list. My questions are a serious indicator of what free scripts are doing to potential programmers.
@Pedersen, thnks for that. Even without providing an internet link, when you mention hash tables and sockets, it already starts to make some sense. Wish you could expound more, if you have the time.
@Kariuki, thnks for the links.
Listers, pls keep in mind that of us were using the internet way back in 1995. So if I want to get my results on what the internet offers, I don't need to place any question onlist. This WILL be the case going forward now.
#$¢%&£$@!!!!!
Rgds. :-))
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@Rad, imho, wacha ku bore. stop referring me to the internet. I know how to use it from the days of Netscape and Alta Vista. :-)) On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki in case you havent realized by now you catch more flies with honey than with cowdung.
Talking down at folks will get you nowhere.
If you want to look at code for the implementation of torrent protocol - server, client and creator check out bitsharp - http://www.mono-project.com/Bitsharp
Troll. On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rad, imho, wacha ku bore. stop referring me to the internet. I know how to use it from the days of Netscape and Alta Vista. :-))
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki in case you havent realized by now you catch more flies with honey than with cowdung.
Talking down at folks will get you nowhere.
If you want to look at code for the implementation of torrent protocol - server, client and creator check out bitsharp - http://www.mono-project.com/Bitsharp
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On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
+1 Troll.
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rad, imho, wacha ku bore. stop referring me to the internet. I know how to use it from the days of Netscape and Alta Vista. :-))
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki in case you havent realized by now you catch more flies with honey than with cowdung.
Talking down at folks will get you nowhere.
If you want to look at code for the implementation of torrent protocol - server, client and creator check out bitsharp - http://www.mono-project.com/Bitsharp
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I can take a horse to water but i can't make it drink. Haya basi. Do as you please On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rad, imho, wacha ku bore. stop referring me to the internet. I know how to use it from the days of Netscape and Alta Vista. :-))
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki in case you havent realized by now you catch more flies with honey than with cowdung.
Talking down at folks will get you nowhere.
If you want to look at code for the implementation of torrent protocol - server, client and creator check out bitsharp - http://www.mono-project.com/Bitsharp
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Before GOOGLE, there were these!!! #@∞!!!!! :-)))) - Alta Vista - Inktomi - Lycos Then the browser's on say windows 3.11/95 = Netscape 1>3 or I.E. Please add to this list the number of search engines we all used in the mid-late 90s, even if you were not tech savvy. IMHO. :-)
Curses based UI... seriously? :-) Transmission has more 'variety' and gives more insight to the c programmer https://trac.transmissionbt.com/browser/trunk - but they all serve the same purpose. On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki in case you havent realized by now you catch more flies with honey than with cowdung.
Talking down at folks will get you nowhere.
If you want to look at code for the implementation of torrent protocol - server, client and creator check out bitsharp - http://www.mono-project.com/Bitsharp
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:26 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Ok3ch, its nothing to do with attitude, I'm just tooooooooooooo bored of the stereo-type tech mailing lists in KE. There are some serious guys on this list but things like torrents architecture is an easy101 for many here. I know how e.g Limewire etc works but I wanted to to go deeper into the proper architecture and I ain't going to use goole results for this. How come only @Martin/@Obbayi/@Rad are normally the only ones who try and respond and really the most helpful people on list. My questions are a serious indicator of what free scripts are doing to potential programmers.
@Pedersen, thnks for that. Even without providing an internet link, when you mention hash tables and sockets, it already starts to make some sense. Wish you could expound more, if you have the time.
@Kariuki, thnks for the links.
Listers, pls keep in mind that of us were using the internet way back in 1995. So if I want to get my results on what the internet offers, I don't need to place any question onlist. This WILL be the case going forward now.
#$¢%&£$@!!!!!
Rgds. :-))
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Maybe torrents are just not that exciting ? Anyway to answer your question a torrent system is generally a distributed hash table (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table ), the clever/hard part is to chose the right hash algorithm and ensure a system that is expandable in terms of users. It is fairly simple to implement a system with a fixed amount of peers, I believe I did build one as an assignment for a networking class in university at one point, may even be able to find some code if needed... To answer your question even more directly on how they transfer data from A to B, you simply open a (tcp) socket and send some data down the pipe... .. Mike On 3/6/12 8:12 AM, aki wrote:
_No one knows torrent architecture?_ What kind of ICT technologists exists in KE because if those who use torrents, as technologists, have no inputs on this thread then surely even the lay person torrent user cannot be expected to know. Surely there has to be a high level ICT group in KE that are technology gurus who don't fall into the categories of "users and box customizers with parasitic behaviours ". Can anyone please refer me to a serious KE tech gurus mailing list of which I'd like to become a member. Hii Skunks ni boring boring sana, too anti-development :-(
IMHO.
Bwana Aki.. I see we're still stepping up to the plate :-) I'd start somewhere here<http://www.wrox.com/WileyCDA/WroxTitle/Beginning-Linux-Programming-3rd-Edition.productCd-0764544977,descCd-DOWNLOAD.html>- chapters 13 through to 15 the go the list of opensource bitTorrent clients <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bittorrent_clients> and see how it works. On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 8:12 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
*No one knows torrent architecture?* What kind of ICT technologists exists in KE because if those who use torrents, as technologists, have no inputs on this thread then surely even the lay person torrent user cannot be expected to know. Surely there has to be a high level ICT group in KE that are technology gurus who don't fall into the categories of "users and box customizers with parasitic behaviours ". Can anyone please refer me to a serious KE tech gurus mailing list of which I'd like to become a member. Hii Skunks ni boring boring sana, too anti-development :-(
IMHO.
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LMAO !! Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 08:12:32 To: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Another exciting question for programmers... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Thomas, you are funny. I'm glad you find some humour..... mind sharing the joke? :-)) And let's keep it off this so called programmers thread. I just became an anti-local software development & programming except for my own hobbyist work. Hahaha! Software development and programmers, who are they? I don't see anyone..knock/knock? FYI some more humor : So Avatar is know for its graphics and special effects in 2010, then watch this that was done in 1944, three years after the Pearl Harbour attack ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3a4lPWIPYw&feature=related ) which have some special effects but mainly using real equipment. Watch them fly the plane just 20-30 feet above the water, coordinated with real flying. On a scale of content generation compared to these ( not even code generation ) what year would you place us at? I'll give you some years as a rule of the thumb. 1800? 1810? 1820? 1830? 1840? 1850? 1860? 1900? Your guess is as good as mine. Rgds. On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM, <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
LMAO !!
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Well this is clearly never ending. @aki believes he knows all there is to be known about discussing tech and all those who call themselves techies who did not use altavista should not contribute to any of his discussions. I try to avoid personality politics and its unfortunate I plopped myself into this one. For the record all I know about torrent architecture is that its bloody efficient at delivering hard to get material. Clearly not useful info on this discussion so I resign myself. On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:04 PM, <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL Sent from my BlackBerry®
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@Mark, relax, thread is long over. For a thread that started out as a potential discussion and somehow moved to personality politics is beyond me. *I don't care nor want to know or either discuss anything about torrent structure, software development or programming. * Now its time to have some humour and move on. :-))) I already bought Google and Bing "shares" with my on-line accounts. These two are sufficient to even produce school grades. THREAD CLOSED. ( IMHO ) Rgds. On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Well this is clearly never ending. @aki believes he knows all there is to be known about discussing tech and all those who call themselves techies who did not use altavista should not contribute to any of his discussions. I try to avoid personality politics and its unfortunate I plopped myself into this one.
For the record all I know about torrent architecture is that its bloody efficient at delivering hard to get material. Clearly not useful info on this discussion so I resign myself.
Someone please make me the list admin for just one day...some tech discussions on this forum are worse than OT labeled threads. @Aki, at the end of the day, all some of us need to know is what puts "food on the table". If your knowledge in COBOL, torrents architecture and ALVISTA does it, then knock yourself out. Just remember knowledge is not power, but power is how you use your knowledge...but in a progressive time that we live in, i wonder how some knowledge are useful. @Aki...you keep saying, this is your last post/thread/comment and you keep coming back! Just an observation :) On 6 March 2012 23:03, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mark, relax, thread is long over. For a thread that started out as a potential discussion and somehow moved to personality politics is beyond me. *I don't care nor want to know or either discuss anything about torrent structure, software development or programming. * Now its time to have some humour and move on. :-)))
I already bought Google and Bing "shares" with my on-line accounts. These two are sufficient to even produce school grades.
THREAD CLOSED. ( IMHO )
Rgds.
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Well this is clearly never ending. @aki believes he knows all there is to be known about discussing tech and all those who call themselves techies who did not use altavista should not contribute to any of his discussions. I try to avoid personality politics and its unfortunate I plopped myself into this one.
For the record all I know about torrent architecture is that its bloody efficient at delivering hard to get material. Clearly not useful info on this discussion so I resign myself.
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Hehehe, I guess that was really his last post since he has not bothered to reply you :-) ./Ok3ch On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone please make me the list admin for just one day...some tech discussions on this forum are worse than OT labeled threads.
@Aki, at the end of the day, all some of us need to know is what puts "food on the table". If your knowledge in COBOL, torrents architecture and ALVISTA does it, then knock yourself out. Just remember knowledge is not power, but power is how you use your knowledge...but in a progressive time that we live in, i wonder how some knowledge are useful.
@Aki...you keep saying, this is your last post/thread/comment and you keep coming back! Just an observation :)
On 6 March 2012 23:03, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mark, relax, thread is long over. For a thread that started out as a potential discussion and somehow moved to personality politics is beyond me. I don't care nor want to know or either discuss anything about torrent structure, software development or programming. Now its time to have some humour and move on. :-)))
I already bought Google and Bing "shares" with my on-line accounts. These two are sufficient to even produce school grades.
THREAD CLOSED. ( IMHO )
Rgds.
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Well this is clearly never ending. @aki believes he knows all there is to be known about discussing tech and all those who call themselves techies who did not use altavista should not contribute to any of his discussions. I try to avoid personality politics and its unfortunate I plopped myself into this one.
For the record all I know about torrent architecture is that its bloody efficient at delivering hard to get material. Clearly not useful info on this discussion so I resign myself.
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YAWN, STRETCH & LOOK AROUND! Ohh, what's making noise? *The mighty Search Engine sends its regards *> USE DOOM SPRAY. lol! :-))))) (Ps: @Jared & @Ok3ch. Please go back to whatever you do. This thread is closed. And stop distracting me, I'm trying to virtually plant for the rainy season tomatoes, cabbages, carrots, potatoes. You know the usual stuff that happens when rains come around, the no-brainers types of activities. Its the bottom line: food on the table for now and later food shortages. I like this system. )
Hehehe! I go too, but if I see an interesting comment, I'll be back - that's why no one can close a thread until the fat lady sings! ./Ok3ch On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:56 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
YAWN, STRETCH & LOOK AROUND! Ohh, what's making noise? The mighty Search Engine sends its regards > USE DOOM SPRAY. lol! :-)))))
(Ps: @Jared & @Ok3ch. Please go back to whatever you do. This thread is closed. And stop distracting me, I'm trying to virtually plant for the rainy season tomatoes, cabbages, carrots, potatoes. You know the usual stuff that happens when rains come around, the no-brainers types of activities. Its the bottom line: food on the table for now and later food shortages. I like this system. )
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@Ok3ch, hawking for comments?. If you want me off this list, just say so there is no need to use "shadows". Now I cannot help people who have cannot take questions as they are written. Is this like a tabloid thread that made @Thomas lmao? :-)) Let the fat lady sing as and when required, hakuna shida. Besides @Martin & @Pedersen & @Rad none of the other commenters have even anything to do with the question asked or comments posted in the first 2 original posts, so whose the the spark and whose the mob ? *The Search Engine sends its regards *> You are a trouble maker. You have been filtered and narrowed down as trying to turn this thread into your own agenda. You should not feel threatened by my posts on this list because you know that you don't fall into any of the categories that may be referred to. *Proof of how the thread went down-hill : * @Martin was the first to respond and actually provided some insight. Then @Ok3ch responded with no reference to anything except "if you have such an attitude, do you expect anyone to answer you". Well, @Pedersen provided an insight and how well he did it well too. Then @Rad responded with 2 comments that sent this thread completely downhill i.e "talking down to folks...cowdung". Then @Areba got the final knife though the thread by using the word "Troll". You mean the fight was about protecting what? because I miss the point where a programmer person would be upset when asked to comment on this: *"No one knows torrent architecture?* What kind of ICT technologists exists in KE because if those who use torrents, as technologists, have no inputs on this thread then surely even the lay person torrent user cannot be expected to know. Surely there has to be a high level ICT group in KE that are technology gurus who don't fall into the categories of "users and box customizers with parasitic behaviours ". Can anyone please refer me to a serious KE tech gurus mailing list of which I'd like to become a member. Hii Skunks ni boring boring sana, too anti-development" Best. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehe! I go too, but if I see an interesting comment, I'll be back - that's why no one can close a thread until the fat lady sings!
./Ok3ch
Not to flood this list but let the fat lady sing! The case summary of thread hijack and more agendas is as follows, case closed: In response to my original posting, these are the results: - @Martin_Chiteri : Responder and excellent well versed with the posting. Suggested an alternative. - @Pedersen : Responder and excellent well versed with the posting. Suggested and provided the main points for discussion - @Ok3ch : Identified as Trouble Maker and Thread Hijacker. While not a programmer, there is no valid suggestion from him except self agenda. THE SPARK, aka the person shouting "Thief!" - @Rad : Identified as responder but also thread hijacker. Provided an excellent solution but also the tyre and lighter liquid. - @Areba : Provided the match box. - @All others who responded to the "Thief Alarm":* All Innocent bystanders who got caught up in something that never was nor concerned them.* Thank you very much. :-))) Rgds.
Hehehe, please add:- Used to be a programmer. to my bio below in replacement for not a programmer - the rest is ok! ./Ok3ch On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:41 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Not to flood this list but let the fat lady sing! The case summary of thread hijack and more agendas is as follows, case closed: In response to my original posting, these are the results:
- @Martin_Chiteri : Responder and excellent well versed with the posting. Suggested an alternative. - @Pedersen : Responder and excellent well versed with the posting. Suggested and provided the main points for discussion - @Ok3ch : Identified as Trouble Maker and Thread Hijacker. While not a programmer, there is no valid suggestion from him except self agenda. THE SPARK, aka the person shouting "Thief!" - @Rad : Identified as responder but also thread hijacker. Provided an excellent solution but also the tyre and lighter liquid. - @Areba : Provided the match box.
- @All others who responded to the "Thief Alarm": All Innocent bystanders who got caught up in something that never was nor concerned them.
Thank you very much. :-)))
Rgds.
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You are welcome, former programmer... :-) I'm not sure what you were protecting by thread hijacking as you did but it's very unfortunate that you did so. You put others skunkers into a collision course which is really sad as I see it. So whats the way forward? Shall we keep on the fight or call it a day? Rgds. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehe, please add:- Used to be a programmer. to my bio below in replacement for not a programmer - the rest is ok!
./Ok3ch
Hey @Areba, did you know that I used a *search engine* to respond to @Mimano's statement that is wheel is not a wheel,eehh? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wAvxQfusWU Miracle! Good stuff from me, I must be very very good on search engines else how would I know about the honeycomb structure used in tyre technology? I never designed it, wish I did though. So back you and your current advice. Why the only "Troll" comment to add more more to fire already lit, in others views? You, just like @Ok3ch and others are some of the smart tech guys with various knowledge on the list, why not indulge and discuss with me with a response to my original postings? Some thots. :-) On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@Areba : Provided the match box.
Jeez! @aki have you considered a career at the phoenix theatre?
Ill be honest with you @aki, youre SELFISH. You seem to be propagating a certain elitist view that the only true developers / engineers / techies ought to be doing this, or not doing that. IMHO, the dynamic nature of the members on this list is what makes skunkworks thrive. By villifying non <original> software as per youre definition, you scare away someone genuinely interested in learning. Remember it is all about the LEARNING process. Think back at those teachers you have had in life, look at the good ones and the bad ones, then just check your sent messages and do a to:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke then just ask yourself, would these posts make me a good teacher? what happened to the aki of ... If Wimax messed you up on 3.5Ghz, there is a simple solution. A feedhorn
filter from any company that operates between 3.7-4.2Ghz and say goodbye to the maneno from the increased TX levels from many wimax sites. Consider a Norsat one.
Rgds.
circa 2010. my 2 Cnts. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:45 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey @Areba, did you know that I used a *search engine* to respond to @Mimano's statement that is wheel is not a wheel,eehh? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wAvxQfusWU Miracle! Good stuff from me, I must be very very good on search engines else how would I know about the honeycomb structure used in tyre technology? I never designed it, wish I did though. So back you and your current advice. Why the only "Troll" comment to add more more to fire already lit, in others views? You, just like @Ok3ch and others are some of the smart tech guys with various knowledge on the list, why not indulge and discuss with me with a response to my original postings?
Some thots. :-)
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@Areba : Provided the match box.
Jeez! @aki have you considered a career at the phoenix theatre?
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Hey @Areba, I know am not selfish. IMHO, If only I understood my suggestions on list would bring out inferiority complexes in some way rather than purpose filled focuses, I honestly would have avoided putting such suggestions/comments on list. It's absurd and ridiculous to have read the kind of responses from fellow technologists, I could understand if a lay person would share such, but technologists? No, I think the level that some of the remarks stooped to were totally uncalled for. I agree with you that everyone is learning, so which in theory that learning process should make the list even more tech-savvy and dynamic but is it?. The issue of the "software" has been resolved, I could be least bothered about a sector that purely exists because of recycled software/scripts and the convenience of search engines rather than actually being knowledge based. If the situation was different, the responses and the level of discussions would be very different and much more pro-discussion. Because we will not agree due to our various thought cultures, it is not possible for us to agree that we need to move things to the next levels. Until that happens, I see no more reason to try and engage on any discussion. Really for me it is very boring as I've written many times about such. Anyway, take it easy and hope to engage on better postings. :-) Rgds. On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Ill be honest with you @aki, youre SELFISH. You seem to be propagating a certain elitist view that the only true developers / engineers / techies ought to be doing this, or not doing that. IMHO, the dynamic nature of the members on this list is what makes skunkworks thrive. By villifying non <original> software as per youre definition, you scare away someone genuinely interested in learning. Remember it is all about the LEARNING process.
Think back at those teachers you have had in life, look at the good ones and the bad ones, then just check your sent messages and do a to:skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke then just ask yourself, would these posts make me a good teacher?
If all you need to qualify as old school these days is to have: - used Alta Vista and/or Lycos - you can remember life before Google then kweli this list is full of wazees! Let's examine the sequence of events 1. You ask for information - who knows where the toilets are? 2. You are told where you can find that information and you get free advice thrown in politely - the toilets are through that door, watch out for the slippery floor 3. You refuse to go where the information is - I refuse to go to the toilet 4. You demand the information is brought to you - I DEMAND you bring that toilet here, do you know I was using pit latrines in 1995 and now you want me to go to a toilet, NO I will not go to a toilet. 5. You proceed to insult the person who told you where the information is - You are an idiot for telling me where the toilet is, I have been using all manner of toilets in my life. I know how to use even very old toilets. I have used 3 or 4 old toilets. There is nothing your new toilet can do that I have not seen before. Go away with your toilets. No infact I will go away and also I will tell those clever people in "Scandinavia" to bring me toilets because they know toilets and you guys have NO idea about toilets! 6. You still need the information - who knows where the toilets are? You don't need a tech list, you need a medical list
Lmao !! Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:48:13 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Another exciting question for programmers... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Daudi, nice try but I ain't buying it. Hmm..another attempt made to thread hijack. :-)))
@ Daudi, this one just killed me...ROFL!!! On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
If all you need to qualify as old school these days is to have:
- used Alta Vista and/or Lycos - you can remember life before Google
then kweli this list is full of wazees!
Let's examine the sequence of events
1. You ask for information - who knows where the toilets are? 2. You are told where you can find that information and you get free advice thrown in politely - the toilets are through that door, watch out for the slippery floor 3. You refuse to go where the information is - I refuse to go to the toilet 4. You demand the information is brought to you - I DEMAND you bring that toilet here, do you know I was using pit latrines in 1995 and now you want me to go to a toilet, NO I will not go to a toilet. 5. You proceed to insult the person who told you where the information is - You are an idiot for telling me where the toilet is, I have been using all manner of toilets in my life. I know how to use even very old toilets. I have used 3 or 4 old toilets. There is nothing your new toilet can do that I have not seen before. Go away with your toilets. No infact I will go away and also I will tell those clever people in "Scandinavia" to bring me toilets because they know toilets and you guys have NO idea about toilets! 6. You still need the information - who knows where the toilets are?
You don't need a tech list, you need a medical list
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Lol ! Spare the dude kidogo. If I understood him at all he wanted to know how he can BUILD a toilet and if anyone on the list and specifically in Kenya has ever innovated a toilet. Now, whether he would wait until the construction is completed in order to use it is really none of our bizne . But to be fair to the question he posed ... Kenyans did innovate the flying toilet. So the member is looking for such home made ideas .... Ama aje aki ? Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:48:13 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Another exciting question for programmers... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Thomas, I repost the original 2 threads here. Let's see where @Daudi fits in or whether he does at all in context of the 2 posting, whether he is just fulfilling his Innocent bystander duties. Why would he be firing salvos at me when this battle ground has nothing to do with the original requests. :-)) Then lets us decide on the comedy hour coming up soon : --------------------------------------------------------------- A) Ok, the KPLC monitoring is exposing me to many many crazy scenarios on data collections and sets which I cannot complain as it's extremely interesting. One question: suppose that I wanted to create a torrent like data inputs where data can be shared amongst the various peers. How do torrents do it via a different ftp algorithm because they don't use regular ftp. Anyone with an in-depth understanding of torrent architecture would be able to help provide some clues. This would be appreciated. *No one knows torrent architecture?* What kind of ICT technologists exists in KE because if those who use torrents, as technologists, have no inputs on this thread then surely even the lay person torrent user cannot be expected to know. Surely there has to be a high level ICT group in KE that are technology gurus who don't fall into the categories of "users and box customizers with parasitic behaviours ". Can anyone please refer me to a serious KE tech gurus mailing list of which I'd like to become a member. Hii Skunks ni boring boring sana, too anti-development :-( B) IMHO. Rgds. :-) ------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:08 PM, <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
Lol ! Spare the dude kidogo. If I understood him at all he wanted to know how he can BUILD a toilet and if anyone on the list and specifically in Kenya has ever innovated a toilet.
Now, whether he would wait until the construction is completed in order to use it is really none of our bizne .
But to be fair to the question he posed ... Kenyans did innovate the flying toilet. So the member is looking for such home made ideas .... Ama aje aki ?
@Daudi, I'm sure what I should respond to your "medical list" solution comment, but I'll pass as I've abstained not to have a fire-fight with anyone. However, I'd like you to keep in mind that our thirst for tech knowledge and indepth understanding and battles will in the future change the balance as in this case. In the meantime, here is a reminder of what the bigger pciture lies ahead. I came across it today : http://www.nation.co.ke/Features/smartcompany/Foreign+firms+beat+locals+to+m... . The day we have a Tech Gurus KICT list is the day we separate the boys from the men, the business pushers, or the copy/pasters from the doers and set a new precedent and pace to match the reality on the ground. This remains my strongest conviction but no longer on the code sector. I'm very disappointed that this thread took the turns it did, to understand me you need to understand what passion is for doing things. I don't hold grudges and I also made a civil point to @Ok3ch, so too much said already. Have a nice day and meet soon on some platform when it counts. :-) Rgds.
Oi! No point inventing a square wheel. The circular one works perfectly. Mimano G. Muthondu, Software Developer skype : gmimano Mobile : +254 723 615 206 *--A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part (unknown)---* On 7 March 2012 19:05, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Daudi, I'm sure what I should respond to your "medical list" solution comment, but I'll pass as I've abstained not to have a fire-fight with anyone. However, I'd like you to keep in mind that our thirst for tech knowledge and indepth understanding and battles will in the future change the balance as in this case. In the meantime, here is a reminder of what the bigger pciture lies ahead. I came across it today : http://www.nation.co.ke/Features/smartcompany/Foreign+firms+beat+locals+to+m... .
The day we have a Tech Gurus KICT list is the day we separate the boys from the men, the business pushers, or the copy/pasters from the doers and set a new precedent and pace to match the reality on the ground. This remains my strongest conviction but no longer on the code sector. I'm very disappointed that this thread took the turns it did, to understand me you need to understand what passion is for doing things. I don't hold grudges and I also made a civil point to @Ok3ch, so too much said already.
Have a nice day and meet soon on some platform when it counts. :-)
Rgds.
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Oi, not the same old discussion once again, oh dear. This thing never ends. :-)) You are right in your own way because it may be your thinking culture and so are others who tend to think a bit differently. Ofcourse if only say the e.g. US Army would like to keep the tyre the same. The only thing in common here is that the wheel is circular : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wAvxQfusWU Beat that on your statement. ;-) On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Geoffrey Mimano <soyfactor@gmail.com> wrote:
Oi! No point inventing a square wheel. The circular one works perfectly.
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