Mr. Bob Collymore is telling us that calling rates are set to go up because *communication companies had been struggling to absorb the rising operation costs due to high inflation and a weak shilling, which made IMPORTS EXPENSIVE. *Can someone please tell me what IMPORTS are these he was referring to??? I'd like to understand what justification he has for the intended price increments. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
I didn't pay much attention to his argument, but I hope the public realizes that yu-to-yu calls are free while Safcon is increasing its rates ./Ok3ch On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Mr. Bob Collymore is telling us that calling rates are set to go up because *communication companies had been struggling to absorb the rising operation costs due to high inflation and a weak shilling, which made IMPORTS EXPENSIVE.
*Can someone please tell me what IMPORTS are these he was referring to???
I'd like to understand what justification he has for the intended price increments.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Imports = Expatriates = Bob Collymore and Team who are not shareholders of Safaricom = Expensive KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com “When you are busy making excuses, you are not making money, making friends, or making the world a better place. Every loser out there has an excuse as to why they’re not a winner – but at the end of the day, they’re still a loser with an excuse.” -Tana Goertz On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't pay much attention to his argument, but I hope the public realizes that yu-to-yu calls are free while Safcon is increasing its rates
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Mr. Bob Collymore is telling us that calling rates are set to go up because *communication companies had been struggling to absorb the rising operation costs due to high inflation and a weak shilling, which made IMPORTS EXPENSIVE.
*Can someone please tell me what IMPORTS are these he was referring to???
I'd like to understand what justification he has for the intended price increments.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Their entire network is imported mainly from China!!...wait a minute, all other networks are!! NIMEAMUA On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
Imports = Expatriates = Bob Collymore and Team who are not shareholders of Safaricom = Expensive
KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com
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On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't pay much attention to his argument, but I hope the public realizes that yu-to-yu calls are free while Safcon is increasing its rates
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Mr. Bob Collymore is telling us that calling rates are set to go up because *communication companies had been struggling to absorb the rising operation costs due to high inflation and a weak shilling, which made IMPORTS EXPENSIVE.
*Can someone please tell me what IMPORTS are these he was referring to???
I'd like to understand what justification he has for the intended price increments.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Until Kenya starts manufacturing its own equipment (telco or otherwise) we will be at the mercy of foreign currency flactuation... -kaboro- -----Original Message----- From: Byaruhanga Tushabe <rbyaruhanga@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:20:38 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Calling rates to go up?? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
There is also the cost of fuel given that almost all BTS run on fuel, those that are on the grid suffer from blackouts every other time -- with Regards: blog.denniskioko.com <http://www.denniskioko.com/>
Even iff call rates stay stagnant, call quality will necessarily drop due to delayed investment (costs are higher, revenues comparatively lower), so we will pay for it either directly (KES 4 or something per minute) or indirectly (increased congestion). No, I'm not a Safaricom apologist. :-) -kaboro- -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 20:52:54 To: pkariuki@gmail.com<pkariuki@gmail.com>; Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Calling rates to go up?? There is also the cost of fuel given that almost all BTS run on fuel, those that are on the grid suffer from blackouts every other time -- with Regards: blog.denniskioko.com <http://www.denniskioko.com/>
As long as data rates improve... On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
** Even iff call rates stay stagnant, call quality will necessarily drop due to delayed investment (costs are higher, revenues comparatively lower), so we will pay for it either directly (KES 4 or something per minute) or indirectly (increased congestion).
No, I'm not a Safaricom apologist. :-)
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There is also the cost of fuel given that almost all BTS run on fuel, those that are on the grid suffer from blackouts every other time
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I was angry about this but then I discovered that the BTS outside my building has the generator on most of the time. It uses fuel, we have no power most of the time. Fule costs more. Actually, everything these days costs more except the 10/- matatu's from Donholm to town. Something else, the government should be made aware that there is going to be massive massive inflation come December, right now I worry that my daughters diet at school has really deteriorated. I will not be calling as much as i've been doing. I hope some CCK people on the list are reading this. Add the blockade to unregistered numbers and handsets. The price of genuine handsets is going to go beyond the ability of ordinary Kenyans. Life ahead is going to be really hard for Kenyans, just like I predicted in 2007. Peter On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
There is also the cost of fuel given that almost all BTS run on fuel, those that are on the grid suffer from blackouts every other time
--
Not to mention the fact that .go.ke is pondering the reintroduction of VAT on cell phones. -kaboro- -----Original Message----- From: Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:02:43 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Calling rates to go up?? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
:) On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Not to mention the fact that .go.ke is pondering the reintroduction of VAT on cell phones.
-kaboro-
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http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE78805P20110909 No company worth its salt is immune to high inflation, high fuel costs and a weakening shilling. ./bernard sent from my android device. On Sep 10, 2011 10:56 AM, "solomon kariri" <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
:)
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Not to mention the fact that .go.ke is pondering the reintroduction of VAT on cell phones.
-kaboro-
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Whoever was shocked at Bob's hint is being emotional rather than logical. The telecoms industry in Kenya is 99% imports, from the biggest equipment to the smallest, even a SIM card is imported. So if the the dollar wobbles, the network operators feel the effect in a very profound way. If everyone out there, even maize hawkers, are blaming the dollar for their upward price shifts, how is it that telcos are expected to remain with flat prices (or even lower them some more). It's simply not possible, prices have to go up at some point. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE78805P20110909
No company worth its salt is immune to high inflation, high fuel costs and a weakening shilling.
./bernard sent from my android device.
On Sep 10, 2011 10:56 AM, "solomon kariri" <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
:)
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Not to mention the fact that .go.ke is pondering the reintroduction of VAT on cell phones.
-kaboro-
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Worse still, the increased inflation may lead (especially in the lower income circles) lead to reduced call rates (communicating now actively fighting for wallet share with food etc). A good indication of this on my end is the sudden increase in 'Please call me, Thank You' messages.... On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
Whoever was shocked at Bob's hint is being emotional rather than logical. The telecoms industry in Kenya is 99% imports, from the biggest equipment to the smallest, even a SIM card is imported. So if the the dollar wobbles, the network operators feel the effect in a very profound way. If everyone out there, even maize hawkers, are blaming the dollar for their upward price shifts, how is it that telcos are expected to remain with flat prices (or even lower them some more). It's simply not possible, prices have to go up at some point.
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE78805P20110909
No company worth its salt is immune to high inflation, high fuel costs and a weakening shilling.
./bernard sent from my android device.
On Sep 10, 2011 10:56 AM, "solomon kariri" <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
:)
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Not to mention the fact that .go.ke is pondering the reintroduction of VAT on cell phones.
-kaboro-
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Me thinks it still is not justified. Why can't they bite humble pie and use some of its profits to cushion the common man? Out of the usual 16B profit they make, why can't they use 2B to cushion customers against raising the call rates? I thought the Govt still has a considerable shareholding in safcom? One can't expect to raise prices of everything whereas income/salaries remain constant something has got to give in at one point. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Whoever was shocked at Bob's hint is being emotional rather than logical. The telecoms industry in Kenya is 99% imports, from the biggest equipment to the smallest, even a SIM card is imported. So if the the dollar wobbles, the network operators feel the effect in a very profound way. If everyone out there, even maize hawkers, are blaming the dollar for their upward price shifts, how is it that telcos are expected to remain with flat prices (or even lower them some more). It's simply not possible, prices have to go up at some point.
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE78805P20110909
No company worth its salt is immune to high inflation, high fuel costs and a weakening shilling.
./bernard sent from my android device.
On Sep 10, 2011 10:56 AM, "solomon kariri" <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
:)
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Not to mention the fact that .go.ke is pondering the reintroduction of VAT on cell phones.
-kaboro-
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safaricom is not a manufacturing company that require imported raw materials day in to keep production. The import argument does not add up. From what I know is that Safaricom infrastructure is pretty much done countrywide and as such whether the equipments re expensive abroad should be an issue unless these equipments are consumables. Sent from my iPad On 2011-09-10, at 9:14 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Whoever was shocked at Bob's hint is being emotional rather than logical. The telecoms industry in Kenya is 99% imports, from the biggest equipment to the smallest, even a SIM card is imported. So if the the dollar wobbles, the network operators feel the effect in a very profound way. If everyone out there, even maize hawkers, are blaming the dollar for their upward price shifts, how is it that telcos are expected to remain with flat prices (or even lower them some more). It's simply not possible, prices have to go up at some point.
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE78805P20110909
No company worth its salt is immune to high inflation, high fuel costs and a weakening shilling.
./bernard sent from my android device.
On Sep 10, 2011 10:56 AM, "solomon kariri" <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
:)
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Not to mention the fact that .go.ke is pondering the reintroduction of VAT on cell phones.
-kaboro-
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@Jared The biggest problem is infrastructure support. Huwawei/Ericsson/ZTE/NSN etc, quote to Safaricom in USD. All managed services contracts are in USD. Basically, all a telco sources locally is labour and BTS infrastructure (i.e. mast's etc). Many corporations locally (e.g. Cisco resellers) quote in USD to shield themselves from fluctuation. Billing sytem, databases, software, PC's etc are all quoted to telco's in USD. Same thing with international bandwidth, quoted in USD. International roaming etc... When you think about it, there is very little that our local ecosystem provides telco's with other than revenue. Further to this if we were to say that the rates should remain static, we have inflation in Kenya. Even locally sourced products now cost more and employee salaries will need to rise in accordance to the same. The easiest thing to be done is to simply fix the economy, which is outside our domain as techies... :-( On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:
safaricom is not a manufacturing company that require imported raw materials day in to keep production. The import argument does not add up. From what I know is that Safaricom infrastructure is pretty much done countrywide and as such whether the equipments re expensive abroad should be an issue unless these equipments are consumables.
Sent from my iPad
On 2011-09-10, at 9:14 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Whoever was shocked at Bob's hint is being emotional rather than logical. The telecoms industry in Kenya is 99% imports, from the biggest equipment to the smallest, even a SIM card is imported. So if the the dollar wobbles, the network operators feel the effect in a very profound way. If everyone out there, even maize hawkers, are blaming the dollar for their upward price shifts, how is it that telcos are expected to remain with flat prices (or even lower them some more). It's simply not possible, prices have to go up at some point.
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Bernard Mwagiru < <bmwagiru@gmail.com> bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
<http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE78805P20110909> http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE78805P20110909
No company worth its salt is immune to high inflation, high fuel costs and a weakening shilling.
./bernard sent from my android device.
On Sep 10, 2011 10:56 AM, "solomon kariri" < <solomonkariri@gmail.com> solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
:)
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Phares Kariuki < <pkariuki@gmail.com> pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Not to mention the fact that .go.ke is pondering the reintroduction of VAT on cell phones.
-kaboro-
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Ngugi, but most of this is already a sunk cost.... when setting up the company!!!! On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
Whoever was shocked at Bob's hint is being emotional rather than logical. The telecoms industry in Kenya is 99% imports, from the biggest equipment to the smallest, even a SIM card is imported. So if the the dollar wobbles, the network operators feel the effect in a very profound way. If everyone out there, even maize hawkers, are blaming the dollar for their upward price shifts, how is it that telcos are expected to remain with flat prices (or even lower them some more). It's simply not possible, prices have to go up at some point.
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE78805P20110909
No company worth its salt is immune to high inflation, high fuel costs and a weakening shilling.
./bernard sent from my android device.
On Sep 10, 2011 10:56 AM, "solomon kariri" <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
:)
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Not to mention the fact that .go.ke is pondering the reintroduction of VAT on cell phones.
-kaboro-
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Safcom is not an NGO.Shareholders want to see growth! So it cannot cushion the common mwananchi. If the government cannot ( read the VAT issue),how do you expect a FOR PROFIT company to cushion? On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Antony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
Ngugi, but most of this is already a sunk cost.... when setting up the company!!!!
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
Whoever was shocked at Bob's hint is being emotional rather than logical. The telecoms industry in Kenya is 99% imports, from the biggest equipment to the smallest, even a SIM card is imported. So if the the dollar wobbles, the network operators feel the effect in a very profound way. If everyone out there, even maize hawkers, are blaming the dollar for their upward price shifts, how is it that telcos are expected to remain with flat prices (or even lower them some more). It's simply not possible, prices have to go up at some point.
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE78805P20110909
No company worth its salt is immune to high inflation, high fuel costs and a weakening shilling.
./bernard sent from my android device.
On Sep 10, 2011 10:56 AM, "solomon kariri" <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
:)
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Not to mention the fact that .go.ke is pondering the reintroduction of VAT on cell phones.
-kaboro-
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Me thinks that problem with Saf-con is that its lead by a coward who is comfortable in the office and fears coming out here to know exactly what is happening. Kenyan market doesn't need people who stay in offices reading reports. Kim -----Original Message----- From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Phares Kariuki Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 8:26 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Calling rates to go up?? Not to mention the fact that .go.ke is pondering the reintroduction of VAT on cell phones. -kaboro- -----Original Message----- From: Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:02:43 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Calling rates to go up?? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Wow! I've never seen a CEO closer to those he does business with than Bob. ./bernard sent from my android device. On Sep 10, 2011 1:59 PM, "Kimani : TransTech " Love For Tech Stuff < techstuff@transtech.co.ke> wrote:
Me thinks that problem with Saf-con is that its lead by a coward who is comfortable in the office and fears coming out here to know exactly what is happening.
Kenyan market doesn't need people who stay in offices reading reports.
Kim
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Not to mention the fact that .go.ke is pondering the reintroduction of VAT on cell phones.
-kaboro-
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I don't get one thing: So they make capital investments in the same breadth as operational costs? how do you offset a capital investment like that or are you saying those assets are consumables and why? I don't follow the argument yet. explain. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Until Kenya starts manufacturing its own equipment (telco or otherwise) we will be at the mercy of foreign currency flactuation... -kaboro-
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Say you buy a database today from Oracle to run on Oracle Hardware, as an organization of Safaricom's size you need support - basically an SLA from Oracle on the Hardware and Software. Why an SLA? Because if said database is running your billing system and it goes down and you are unable to figure it out, well, you lose revenue. A lot of revenue. Normally support and subscription costs for hardware/software come to roughly 30% of the value spent on the hardware. Same thing with base stations, you have to get the manufacturer to support once the product has been sold. Similar model. All these costs are in USD. What happens when the dollar fluctuates - these costs spike because local telcos collects their revenue in KES, not USD. So it becomes more expensive to maintain the same infrastructure. Now - think about the guys who are probably most affected - Airtel. They were already on razor thin margins, outsourced infrastructure fully to NSN (I think), outsourced IT fully to IBM. Those are their largest expenses, suddenly going up... Customer spending is not accelerating at the same level.. Airtel has already been forced to increase call rates in India... http://www.telecomlead.com/inner-page-details.php?id=1736 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Nish <pnishus@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't get one thing: So they make capital investments in the same breadth as operational costs? how do you offset a capital investment like that or are you saying those assets are consumables and why? I don't follow the argument yet. explain.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Until Kenya starts manufacturing its own equipment (telco or otherwise) we will be at the mercy of foreign currency flactuation... -kaboro-
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Folks, The rulers of the world are planning major financial upheavals (hyperinflation) across all countries of the world in order to push their agenda of a 'New World Order'. You can see it in the US, Europe (Greece and Portugal) etc. Its only going to get worse if anything. my 2 cents On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Say you buy a database today from Oracle to run on Oracle Hardware, as an organization of Safaricom's size you need support - basically an SLA from Oracle on the Hardware and Software. Why an SLA? Because if said database is running your billing system and it goes down and you are unable to figure it out, well, you lose revenue. A lot of revenue. Normally support and subscription costs for hardware/software come to roughly 30% of the value spent on the hardware. Same thing with base stations, you have to get the manufacturer to support once the product has been sold. Similar model. All these costs are in USD. What happens when the dollar fluctuates - these costs spike because local telcos collects their revenue in KES, not USD. So it becomes more expensive to maintain the same infrastructure.
Now - think about the guys who are probably most affected - Airtel. They were already on razor thin margins, outsourced infrastructure fully to NSN (I think), outsourced IT fully to IBM. Those are their largest expenses, suddenly going up... Customer spending is not accelerating at the same level.. Airtel has already been forced to increase call rates in India... http://www.telecomlead.com/inner-page-details.php?id=1736
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Nish <pnishus@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't get one thing: So they make capital investments in the same breadth as operational costs? how do you offset a capital investment like that or are you saying those assets are consumables and why? I don't follow the argument yet. explain.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Until Kenya starts manufacturing its own equipment (telco or otherwise) we will be at the mercy of foreign currency flactuation... -kaboro-
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BOB -CON - ME -NO MORE !!! On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
Imports = Expatriates = Bob Collymore and Team who are not shareholders of Safaricom = Expensive
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On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't pay much attention to his argument, but I hope the public realizes that yu-to-yu calls are free while Safcon is increasing its rates
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Mr. Bob Collymore is telling us that calling rates are set to go up because *communication companies had been struggling to absorb the rising operation costs due to high inflation and a weak shilling, which made IMPORTS EXPENSIVE.
*Can someone please tell me what IMPORTS are these he was referring to???
I'd like to understand what justification he has for the intended price increments.
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@Wash - Safaricom buys all its core infrastructure from abroad, be it Cisco switching, Huawei, HP etc. Their support costs and managed service contracts are all quoted in USD. Their OPEX and short term capital expenditure have increased significantly. Because we all want dividends in 2012, the prices will go up. Ironically, the biggest losers will probably be Airtel. Given the slim margins they operate on and the heavy outsourcing model, their costs have gone up by over 10%. -kaboro- -----Original Message----- From: Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:20:51 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Calling rates to go up?? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Phares, This sort of makes sense to me now, but I do remember the prices went down because of certain factors influenced by CCK - like termination rates, etc. The OPEX has always been quoted in USD and anyway, Safaricom, Airtel can pay for these from their overseas operations - somehow, no? Sorry I am not quite able to reason in economic terminology. So is Safaricom intent on having the customers cushion them against the fluctuating KES the same way KPLC does in Fuel Cost Adjustments?? On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 17:37, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - Safaricom buys all its core infrastructure from abroad, be it Cisco switching, Huawei, HP etc. Their support costs and managed service contracts are all quoted in USD. Their OPEX and short term capital expenditure have increased significantly. Because we all want dividends in 2012, the prices will go up.
Ironically, the biggest losers will probably be Airtel. Given the slim margins they operate on and the heavy outsourcing model, their costs have gone up by over 10%. -kaboro-
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For a company making profits in the billions this is unacceptable. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Phares,
This sort of makes sense to me now, but I do remember the prices went down because of certain factors influenced by CCK - like termination rates, etc. The OPEX has always been quoted in USD and anyway, Safaricom, Airtel can pay for these from their overseas operations - somehow, no? Sorry I am not quite able to reason in economic terminology.
So is Safaricom intent on having the customers cushion them against the fluctuating KES the same way KPLC does in Fuel Cost Adjustments??
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 17:37, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - Safaricom buys all its core infrastructure from abroad, be it Cisco switching, Huawei, HP etc. Their support costs and managed service contracts are all quoted in USD. Their OPEX and short term capital expenditure have increased significantly. Because we all want dividends in 2012, the prices will go up.
Ironically, the biggest losers will probably be Airtel. Given the slim margins they operate on and the heavy outsourcing model, their costs have gone up by over 10%. -kaboro-
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[ Brainiac ] -
Alvin Jason Ochieng -
Anthony Lenya -
Antony Mwai -
Bernard Mwagiru -
Byaruhanga Tushabe -
Dennis Kioko -
Jared Koyier -
Jimmy Thuo -
Ken Teyie -
Kimani : TransTech " Love For Tech Stuff" -
Kinuthia Ngugi -
Mike M. -
Nish -
Odhiambo Washington -
Okechukwu -
Peter Osotsi -
Phares Kariuki -
solomon kariri