Kenyan Intelligence Not Happy With BlackBerry Donations to IIEC
Guys I think NSIS have an argument if at all it is true http://bit.ly/dpqOWh Owicho
I had my concerns last week about the same gadgets and in general any communication device we accept as 'gifts'. if we accept them we should be prepared to put some mechanism in place to sniff out any trojan like payload they may contain On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Theus Owicho <owichot@gmail.com> wrote:
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I think NSIS have an argument if at all it is true http://bit.ly/dpqOWh
Owicho
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No one can hack the blackberry, even the CIA. Those fears are unfounded. That's why countries like Saudi Arabia are banning some of their services. Even India complained that criminals use them coz authorities can't trace them. Research In Motion (RIM) keeps a tight lead on the source code anyway, that's why many countries security agencies hav an issue with them. Besides, the electronic transmission of votes remains preliminary figures and are only finalized once the Returning Officer is physically present at HQ to confirm the figures. Your making an issue where there's none. Reminds me of the Nyayo days when DSTV was banned coz of the satellite dishes being a 'security' issue On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Theus Owicho <owichot@gmail.com> wrote:
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I think NSIS have an argument if at all it is true http://bit.ly/dpqOWh
Owicho
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I think the concerns are reasonable..encrypted information relevant to national security conveyed in devices conveniently donated......local sleuths are like sitting ducks aloof ....without a clue of the goings on..... From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Ken Yanski Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:51 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyan Intelligence Not Happy With BlackBerry Donations to IIEC No one can hack the blackberry, even the CIA. Those fears are unfounded. That's why countries like Saudi Arabia are banning some of their services. Even India complained that criminals use them coz authorities can't trace them. Research In Motion (RIM) keeps a tight lead on the source code anyway, that's why many countries security agencies hav an issue with them. Besides, the electronic transmission of votes remains preliminary figures and are only finalized once the Returning Officer is physically present at HQ to confirm the figures. Your making an issue where there's none. Reminds me of the Nyayo days when DSTV was banned coz of the satellite dishes being a 'security' issue On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Theus Owicho <owichot@gmail.com<mailto:owichot@gmail.com>> wrote: Guys I think NSIS have an argument if at all it is true http://bit.ly/dpqOWh Owicho _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke<mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke ________________________________ Strathmore University provides all-round education in an atmosphere of freedom and responsibility. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for use by the recipient(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email and/or any files attached to it from your computer. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Strathmore University. The University accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damages incurred, or suffered, resulting, or arising, from the use of this email and/or its attachments. The University warrants neither the integrity of the e-mail nor its freedom from errors, viruses, interception or any other form of interference. ............................................................................ Website: www.strathmore.edu
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Guys I think NSIS have an argument if at all it is true http://bit.ly/dpqOWh Owicho
I read the original article and IMHO it is ill researched and full of hyperbole, aimed at sensationalising the news without evidence. A number of very obvious points stand out here: 1. The donation did not rest on use, they could have very well decided not to use them at all. 2. Encryption would mitigate the fear that unauthorized parties could read and/or modify the data 3. What evidence does the Star have that the data actually left the country? I didn't see any in the article. This sort of journalism is irresponsible at best.
someone please explain to me something about the process, cause from what i read, 1: data was sent to hq through the web and not text / data. 2: Specific apps were installed on the phone (hopefully utilizing the data (GPRS / EDGE) service. Which leads me to ask: 1: when a BB device connects to the net, does it get net from the enterprise serve in ontario ? or through the local service provider. 2: if it was purely http, or https for that matter, How would that data be captured by the CIA, and were the operatives located at safcom / zain / whichever service provider... then again, for what possible reason would that kind of data serve if there is a hard copy backup and tallying at the centers ? The star , like its sister publications is seriously showing up for who they really are: sensational peddlers of BS. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:56 AM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys I think NSIS have an argument if at all it is true http://bit.ly/dpqOWh Owicho
I read the original article and IMHO it is ill researched and full of hyperbole, aimed at sensationalising the news without evidence. A number of very obvious points stand out here:
1. The donation did not rest on use, they could have very well decided not to use them at all. 2. Encryption would mitigate the fear that unauthorized parties could read and/or modify the data 3. What evidence does the Star have that the data actually left the country? I didn't see any in the article.
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Boss, Anything that connects online can be sniffed and data captured If packets are involved/radio waves etc data transmitted in those media can be retrieved.In short any communication device is never secure The insecurity in communication devices is mitigated by various technologies with the best being encryption. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:04 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
someone please explain to me something about the process, cause from what i read,
1: data was sent to hq through the web and not text / data. 2: Specific apps were installed on the phone (hopefully utilizing the data (GPRS / EDGE) service.
Which leads me to ask:
1: when a BB device connects to the net, does it get net from the enterprise serve in ontario ? or through the local service provider. 2: if it was purely http, or https for that matter, How would that data be captured by the CIA, and were the operatives located at safcom / zain / whichever service provider...
then again, for what possible reason would that kind of data serve if there is a hard copy backup and tallying at the centers ? The star , like its sister publications is seriously showing up for who they really are: sensational peddlers of BS.
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:56 AM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com>wrote:
Guys I think NSIS have an argument if at all it is true http://bit.ly/dpqOWh Owicho
I read the original article and IMHO it is ill researched and full of hyperbole, aimed at sensationalising the news without evidence. A number of very obvious points stand out here:
1. The donation did not rest on use, they could have very well decided not to use them at all. 2. Encryption would mitigate the fear that unauthorized parties could read and/or modify the data 3. What evidence does the Star have that the data actually left the country? I didn't see any in the article.
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Good point Roy Its true never think that any device is secure especially if you didnt make it.....you dont know whats in there...... On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Boss,
Anything that connects online can be sniffed and data captured If packets are involved/radio waves etc data transmitted in those media can be retrieved.In short any communication device is never secure
The insecurity in communication devices is mitigated by various technologies with the best being encryption.
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:04 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
someone please explain to me something about the process, cause from what i read,
1: data was sent to hq through the web and not text / data. 2: Specific apps were installed on the phone (hopefully utilizing the data (GPRS / EDGE) service.
Which leads me to ask:
1: when a BB device connects to the net, does it get net from the enterprise serve in ontario ? or through the local service provider. 2: if it was purely http, or https for that matter, How would that data be captured by the CIA, and were the operatives located at safcom / zain / whichever service provider...
then again, for what possible reason would that kind of data serve if there is a hard copy backup and tallying at the centers ? The star , like its sister publications is seriously showing up for who they really are: sensational peddlers of BS.
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:56 AM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com>wrote:
Guys I think NSIS have an argument if at all it is true http://bit.ly/dpqOWh Owicho
I read the original article and IMHO it is ill researched and full of hyperbole, aimed at sensationalising the news without evidence. A number of very obvious points stand out here:
1. The donation did not rest on use, they could have very well decided not to use them at all. 2. Encryption would mitigate the fear that unauthorized parties could read and/or modify the data 3. What evidence does the Star have that the data actually left the country? I didn't see any in the article.
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Sometims i think Kenyans make mountains out of pimples. Suppose the US had donated Nokias. How would anything be any different? On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Good point Roy
Its true never think that any device is secure especially if you didnt make it.....you dont know whats in there......
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Boss,
Anything that connects online can be sniffed and data captured If packets are involved/radio waves etc data transmitted in those media can be retrieved.In short any communication device is never secure
The insecurity in communication devices is mitigated by various technologies with the best being encryption.
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:04 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
someone please explain to me something about the process, cause from what i read,
1: data was sent to hq through the web and not text / data. 2: Specific apps were installed on the phone (hopefully utilizing the data (GPRS / EDGE) service.
Which leads me to ask:
1: when a BB device connects to the net, does it get net from the enterprise serve in ontario ? or through the local service provider. 2: if it was purely http, or https for that matter, How would that data be captured by the CIA, and were the operatives located at safcom / zain / whichever service provider...
then again, for what possible reason would that kind of data serve if there is a hard copy backup and tallying at the centers ? The star , like its sister publications is seriously showing up for who they really are: sensational peddlers of BS.
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:56 AM, rsohan@gmail.com <rsohan@gmail.com>wrote:
Guys I think NSIS have an argument if at all it is true http://bit.ly/dpqOWh Owicho
I read the original article and IMHO it is ill researched and full of hyperbole, aimed at sensationalising the news without evidence. A number of very obvious points stand out here:
1. The donation did not rest on use, they could have very well decided not to use them at all. 2. Encryption would mitigate the fear that unauthorized parties could read and/or modify the data 3. What evidence does the Star have that the data actually left the country? I didn't see any in the article.
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[ Brainiac ] -
Bogi Benga -
Joram Mwinamo -
Ken Yanski -
Paul Roy -
Phares Kariuki -
Pius Walela -
Rad! -
rsohan＠gmail.com -
Theus Owicho