It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row. I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning? Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP. Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
lol On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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Hi Wash, For the benefit of the techies in the list, what are some of the critical issues you have faced? Poor/Dropped/Intermittent connections, QoS,etc...? ./bernard On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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It is more than I can say, Bernard. I am sure everyone using Access Kenya is now (for the last 3 weeks) familiar with an e-mail that reads like below: <quote> Dear Esteemed Client, We are experiencing intermittency this morning on our Core network, affecting the entire AccessKenya Network. Due to this, you may experience intermittent connectivity and or no service. Our network engineers are working to resolve this in the shortest time possible. Ticket number* 415865* has been assigned to track this occurrence. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and appreciate your patience and understanding during this period and reiterate our commitment to excellent service provision Kind Regards, </quote> Besides that, almost everyone on AK network is now used to a familiar recording on their IVR stating problems with Core Network. It isn't interesting at all, when you get service metered like medicine - available a few times a day! On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Wash,
For the benefit of the techies in the list, what are some of the critical issues you have faced? Poor/Dropped/Intermittent connections, QoS,etc...?
./bernard
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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Hehehe! Wash, most ISP's need work .... Some more than others:-) Jgitau Sent from my iPad On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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Also affected if not already infected!!![?] On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehe!
Wash, most ISP's need work .... Some more than others:-)
Jgitau
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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this now sucks for real. they got to shape up and wake up! On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Also affected if not already infected!!![?]
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehe!
Wash, most ISP's need work .... Some more than others:-)
Jgitau
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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I think this points to a bigger problem in Network design and planning. The issues most ISPs face are a factor of cost and poor engineering. Poor engineering can be addressed by training which at least JG and others at EANOG are trying to address ;) When it comes to complex metro and nationwide networks, a mixture of factors can be quoted. Skills needed for such implementations are rare and reliance on the equipment vendors is common and transfer on knowledge is usually sketchy. While all have diverse and complex plans, getting the money needed proves to be quite a challenge. This is why when they are small they can manage their networks and offer relatively good service but once they require to scale to accomodate the increasing number of users, shortcuts become the order of the day. David On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehe!
Wash, most ISP's need work .... Some more than others:-)
Jgitau
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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The network may be well designed by one guy with zero participation from team members. The guy then goes ahead to document the network in his head again with zero participation from the team. He then gets a better offer or gets pissed by employer and that's when the network starts to act up. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of David Kariuki Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:38 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Access Kenya Core Network Problems I think this points to a bigger problem in Network design and planning. The issues most ISPs face are a factor of cost and poor engineering. Poor engineering can be addressed by training which at least JG and others at EANOG are trying to address ;) When it comes to complex metro and nationwide networks, a mixture of factors can be quoted. Skills needed for such implementations are rare and reliance on the equipment vendors is common and transfer on knowledge is usually sketchy. While all have diverse and complex plans, getting the money needed proves to be quite a challenge. This is why when they are small they can manage their networks and offer relatively good service but once they require to scale to accomodate the increasing number of users, shortcuts become the order of the day. David On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote: Hehehe! Wash, most ISP's need work .... Some more than others:-) Jgitau Sent from my iPad On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121 <tel:%2B254733744121> /+254722743223 <tel:%2B254722743223> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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I thought I was the only one experiencing this. Their link has ben quite intermittent. On 27 August 2012 17:24, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
The network may be well designed by one guy with zero participation from team members. The guy then goes ahead to document the network in his head again with zero participation from the team.****
He then gets a better offer or gets pissed by employer and that’s when the network starts to act up.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *David Kariuki *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2012 4:38 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Access Kenya Core Network Problems****
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I think this points to a bigger problem in Network design and planning.*** *
** **
The issues most ISPs face are a factor of cost and poor engineering.****
** **
Poor engineering can be addressed by training which at least JG and others at EANOG are trying to address ;) When it comes to complex metro and nationwide networks, a mixture of factors can be quoted. Skills needed for such implementations are rare and reliance on the equipment vendors is common and transfer on knowledge is usually sketchy. ****
** **
While all have diverse and complex plans, getting the money needed proves to be quite a challenge. This is why when they are small they can manage their networks and offer relatively good service but once they require to scale to accomodate the increasing number of users, shortcuts become the order of the day.****
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David****
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:****
Hehehe!
Wash, most ISP's need work .... Some more than others:-)
Jgitau
Sent from my iPad****
On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. ****
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Anyone from access kenya? where a you? hehehe LOL On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:44 PM, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
I thought I was the only one experiencing this. Their link has ben quite intermittent.
On 27 August 2012 17:24, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
The network may be well designed by one guy with zero participation from team members. The guy then goes ahead to document the network in his head again with zero participation from the team.****
He then gets a better offer or gets pissed by employer and that’s when the network starts to act up.****
** **
*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *David Kariuki *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2012 4:38 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Access Kenya Core Network Problems****
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I think this points to a bigger problem in Network design and planning.** **
** **
The issues most ISPs face are a factor of cost and poor engineering.****
** **
Poor engineering can be addressed by training which at least JG and others at EANOG are trying to address ;) When it comes to complex metro and nationwide networks, a mixture of factors can be quoted. Skills needed for such implementations are rare and reliance on the equipment vendors is common and transfer on knowledge is usually sketchy. ****
** **
While all have diverse and complex plans, getting the money needed proves to be quite a challenge. This is why when they are small they can manage their networks and offer relatively good service but once they require to scale to accomodate the increasing number of users, shortcuts become the order of the day.****
** **
David****
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:****
Hehehe!
Wash, most ISP's need work .... Some more than others:-)
Jgitau
Sent from my iPad****
On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. ****
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High latencies via AccessKE (No KIXP) *<MY IP197.177.100.82>$tracert 41.215.22.90* * * *Tracing route to 41.215.22.90.accesskenya.com [41.215.22.90]* *over a maximum of 30 hops:* * * * 1 * * * Request timed out.* * 2 81 ms 91 ms 96 ms 196.201.216.126* * 3 102 ms 89 ms 89 ms 196.201.216.161* * 4 228 ms 219 ms 269 ms so-4-0-2.edge1.Paris1.Level3.net<http://so-4-0-2.edge1.paris1.level3.net/> [212.73.206.81]* * * * 5 * * 312 ms ae-1-51.edge4.Paris1.Level3.net<http://ae-1-51.edge4.paris1.level3.net/> [4.69.139.202]* * 6 310 ms 239 ms 238 ms 213.144.183.65* * 7 405 ms 419 ms 409 ms accesskenya.palermo7.pal.seabone.net [195.22.197.133]* * 8 387 ms 419 ms 389 ms TenGE-2-1-BP_CORE01.accesskenya.com<http://tenge-2-1-bp_core01.accesskenya.com/> [196.207.31.146]* * 9 417 ms 459 ms 406 ms 196.207.31.170.accesskenya.com [196.207.31.170]* * * * 10 434 ms 389 ms 389 ms 41.215.22.90.accesskenya.com [41.215.22.90] * *Trace complete.* Sigh.... Traceroute to HELB( via KIXP) *<MY IP197.177.100.82>tracert www.helb.co.ke* * * *Tracing route to www.helb.co.ke [41.72.219.133]* *over a maximum of 30 hops:* * * * 1 * * * Request timed out.* * 2 71 ms 69 ms 159 ms 196.201.216.126* * 3 87 ms 68 ms 69 ms 196.201.216.161* * 4 107 ms 69 ms 89 ms QOA3-NE40EX3-02.safaricom.com<http://qoa3-ne40ex3-02.safaricom.com/> [196.201.216.5]* * 5 68 ms 69 ms 69 ms 192.168.145.222* * 6 68 ms 78 ms 79 ms 192.168.128.90* * 7 77 ms 99 ms 79 ms 192.168.128.26* * 8 107 ms 79 ms 89 ms 192.168.153.14* * 9 78 ms 69 ms 79 ms 192.168.153.13* * 10 117 ms 69 ms 88 ms 196.201.208.43* * 11 76 ms 79 ms 79 ms 10.10.100.241* * 12 116 ms 79 ms 109 ms 196.223.21.81* * 13 * * * Request timed out.* * 14 142 ms 168 ms 98 ms 41.72.219.133* * * *Trace complete.* * * ./bernard On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:15 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
Anyone from access kenya? where a you? hehehe LOL
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 5:44 PM, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
I thought I was the only one experiencing this. Their link has ben quite intermittent.
On 27 August 2012 17:24, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
The network may be well designed by one guy with zero participation from team members. The guy then goes ahead to document the network in his head again with zero participation from the team.****
He then gets a better offer or gets pissed by employer and that’s when the network starts to act up.****
** **
*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *David Kariuki *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2012 4:38 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Access Kenya Core Network Problems****
** **
I think this points to a bigger problem in Network design and planning.* ***
** **
The issues most ISPs face are a factor of cost and poor engineering.****
** **
Poor engineering can be addressed by training which at least JG and others at EANOG are trying to address ;) When it comes to complex metro and nationwide networks, a mixture of factors can be quoted. Skills needed for such implementations are rare and reliance on the equipment vendors is common and transfer on knowledge is usually sketchy. ****
** **
While all have diverse and complex plans, getting the money needed proves to be quite a challenge. This is why when they are small they can manage their networks and offer relatively good service but once they require to scale to accomodate the increasing number of users, shortcuts become the order of the day.****
** **
David****
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:*** *
Hehehe!
Wash, most ISP's need work .... Some more than others:-)
Jgitau
Sent from my iPad****
On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. ****
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At some point something broke down and David is right that as networks grew, Scaling them up (the networks and the skills) became forgotten. At our last afnog, kra sent more engineers than the ISPs- which I found ridiculous.banks have way better techies today than most ISPs. Basic planning, documentation, network management are not being practiced by ISPs. At least not most of them. No single network in Kenya is running a fully standards compliant metro Ethernet network for instance. Which means no inter working, poor redundancies etc. we dont Really have broadband standards at all and maybe this is something COFEK should take up. On the other hand the Internet by definition can be quite ambiguous. You tend to get what you pay for. I'm just picking on obvious issues but apart from one network that I can pretty much vouch for, most need a full rework. Today it's access, last time we had zuku getting a fair share of criticism. I know a few ISP's that would like to jump in and dance around as we bash access kenya but the sad fact is most can't scale beyond a certain load point, or offer new services as fast as they would like us to believe. I can only think of one service provider that can deliver some of these solutions without a hiccuping network. But their sales and product development sucks or is asleep so tough! The real victim here all of us. Bad connectivity is a major cost on innovation. Gitau Sent from my iPad On 27 Aug 2012, at 17:24, "Tony Gacheru" <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
The network may be well designed by one guy with zero participation from team members. The guy then goes ahead to document the network in his head again with zero participation from the team. He then gets a better offer or gets pissed by employer and that’s when the network starts to act up.
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of David Kariuki Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:38 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Access Kenya Core Network Problems
I think this points to a bigger problem in Network design and planning.
The issues most ISPs face are a factor of cost and poor engineering.
Poor engineering can be addressed by training which at least JG and others at EANOG are trying to address ;) When it comes to complex metro and nationwide networks, a mixture of factors can be quoted. Skills needed for such implementations are rare and reliance on the equipment vendors is common and transfer on knowledge is usually sketchy.
While all have diverse and complex plans, getting the money needed proves to be quite a challenge. This is why when they are small they can manage their networks and offer relatively good service but once they require to scale to accomodate the increasing number of users, shortcuts become the order of the day.
David
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote: Hehehe!
Wash, most ISP's need work .... Some more than others:-)
Jgitau
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On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:04 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
At some point something broke down and David is right that as networks grew, Scaling them up (the networks and the skills) became forgotten. At our last afnog, kra sent more engineers than the ISPs- which I found ridiculous.banks have way better techies today than most ISPs. Basic planning, documentation, network management are not being practiced by ISPs. At least not most of them.
No single network in Kenya is running a fully standards compliant metro Ethernet network for instance. Which means no inter working, poor redundancies etc. we dont Really have broadband standards at all and maybe this is something COFEK should take up. On the other hand the Internet by definition can be quite ambiguous. You tend to get what you pay for.
I'm just picking on obvious issues but apart from one network that I can pretty much vouch for, most need a full rework. Today it's access, last time we had zuku getting a fair share of criticism.
I know a few ISP's that would like to jump in and dance around as we bash access kenya but the sad fact is most can't scale beyond a certain load point, or offer new services as fast as they would like us to believe. I can only think of one service provider that can deliver some of these solutions without a hiccuping network. But their sales and product development sucks or is asleep so tough!
The real victim here all of us. Bad connectivity is a major cost on innovation.
Gitau
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Aug 2012, at 17:24, "Tony Gacheru" <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
The network may be well designed by one guy with zero participation from team members. The guy then goes ahead to document the network in his head again with zero participation from the team.****
He then gets a better offer or gets pissed by employer and that’s when the network starts to act up.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *David Kariuki *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2012 4:38 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Access Kenya Core Network Problems****
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I think this points to a bigger problem in Network design and planning.*** *
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The issues most ISPs face are a factor of cost and poor engineering.****
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Poor engineering can be addressed by training which at least JG and others at EANOG are trying to address ;) When it comes to complex metro and nationwide networks, a mixture of factors can be quoted. Skills needed for such implementations are rare and reliance on the equipment vendors is common and transfer on knowledge is usually sketchy. ****
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While all have diverse and complex plans, getting the money needed proves to be quite a challenge. This is why when they are small they can manage their networks and offer relatively good service but once they require to scale to accomodate the increasing number of users, shortcuts become the order of the day.****
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David****
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On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:12 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:****
Hehehe!
Wash, most ISP's need work .... Some more than others:-)
Jgitau
Sent from my iPad****
On 27 Aug 2012, at 13:59, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
It is now becoming the order of the day. Access Kenya has problems in their Core Network for 3 weeks in a row.
I am just wondering what that means. Could it have been bad network planning?
Please, John Gitau, I need an audit of Access Kenya's Core and Distribution Networks ASAP.
Tell them I sent you, because I am paying for services which are becoming more and more difficult to get.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. ****
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