Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info?
Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the same for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other normal software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running the same time as your development tools. Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the processor is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue might come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on normal applications then this may not be an issue. A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for middle to long term development. O_O --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote: From: Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> Subject: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
you are right... i was wondering though, is there no way to work around the cache size...like in linux where you can give larger swap space? these are the specs of the machine 'Intel® Atom™ Processor N270, 1.6GHz, 533MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache ' what can i do to optimize it...coz i may have to work with it eventually On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the same for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other normal software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running the same time as your development tools.
Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the processor is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue might come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on normal applications then this may not be an issue.
A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for middle to long term development.
O_O
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From: Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> Subject: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM
Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info?
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Unfortunately no. The only way to get a bigger cache is to get another processor. It might sound too restrictive but the processor needs to work as efficiently as it can and it might not do so if other items e.g. the OS can affect it's operations. (The operations would be less efficient because the processor will have to check whether it's state has been changed) Using Java and Oracle 10g on that processor might be a frustrating experience. Check the processor specs for Orancle 10g to be sure. --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote: From: Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 8:43 AM you are right... i was wondering though, is there no way to work around the cache size...like in linux where you can give larger swap space? these are the specs of the machine 'Intel® Atom™ Processor N270, 1.6GHz, 533MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache ' what can i do to optimize it...coz i may have to work with it eventually On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote: Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the same for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other normal software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running the same time as your development tools. Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the processor is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue might come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on normal applications then this may not be an issue. A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for middle to long term development. O_O --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote: From: Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> Subject: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
well....bludgers indeed! thanks for the in4 though...back to the drawing board!!! On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
Unfortunately no. The only way to get a bigger cache is to get another processor. It might sound too restrictive but the processor needs to work as efficiently as it can and it might not do so if other items e.g. the OS can affect it's operations. (The operations would be less efficient because the processor will have to check whether it's state has been changed)
Using Java and Oracle 10g on that processor might be a frustrating experience.
Check the processor specs for Orancle 10g to be sure.
--- On *Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 8:43 AM
you are right... i was wondering though, is there no way to work around the cache size...like in linux where you can give larger swap space? these are the specs of the machine 'Intel® Atom™ Processor N270, 1.6GHz, 533MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache '
what can i do to optimize it...coz i may have to work with it eventually
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the same for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other normal software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running the same time as your development tools.
Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the processor is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue might come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on normal applications then this may not be an issue.
A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for middle to long term development.
O_O
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Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM
Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info?
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hey! I read somewhere that i can increase the virtual memory to 2gig! wouldn't that help? On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
well....bludgers indeed! thanks for the in4 though...back to the drawing board!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
Unfortunately no. The only way to get a bigger cache is to get another processor. It might sound too restrictive but the processor needs to work as efficiently as it can and it might not do so if other items e.g. the OS can affect it's operations. (The operations would be less efficient because the processor will have to check whether it's state has been changed)
Using Java and Oracle 10g on that processor might be a frustrating experience.
Check the processor specs for Orancle 10g to be sure.
--- On *Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 8:43 AM
you are right... i was wondering though, is there no way to work around the cache size...like in linux where you can give larger swap space? these are the specs of the machine 'Intel® Atom™ Processor N270, 1.6GHz, 533MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache '
what can i do to optimize it...coz i may have to work with it eventually
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the same for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other normal software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running the same time as your development tools.
Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the processor is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue might come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on normal applications then this may not be an issue.
A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for middle to long term development.
O_O
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* wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=evakimathi@gmail.com>
Subject: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>
Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM
Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info?
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Hey, for Oracle and Java you will be pushing it too far. A basic load of those Frameworks into RAM and into the page file basically takes a huge chunk out of your memory. Now virtual Memory isn't RAM and really RAM is actually what you need to increase. Virtual memory is in the simplest terms space on your hard disk that's reserved for use as RAM. Virtual Memory is so much slower than RAM and the type pf hardisk and can slow things further. so basically without going into details you basically need hardware upgrades on the Netbook if you want to heack Oracle. The bottom line is, Netbooks are not designed for what you want to do. SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 http://blog.sobbayi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Kimathi" <evakimathi@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 3:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors hey! I read somewhere that i can increase the virtual memory to 2gig! wouldn't that help? On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote: well....bludgers indeed! thanks for the in4 though...back to the drawing board!!! On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com > wrote: Unfortunately no. The only way to get a bigger cache is to get another processor. It might sound too restrictive but the processor needs to work as efficiently as it can and it might not do so if other items e.g. the OS can affect it's operations. (The operations would be less efficient because the processor will have to check whether it's state has been changed) Using Java and Oracle 10g on that processor might be a frustrating experience. Check the processor specs for Orancle 10g to be sure. --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote: From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks Forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 8:43 AM you are right... i was wondering though, is there no way to work around the cache size...like in linux where you can give larger swap space? these are the specs of the machine 'Intel® Atom™ Processor N270, 1.6GHz, 533MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache ' what can i do to optimize it...coz i may have to work with it eventually On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com > wrote: Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the same for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other normal software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running the same time as your development tools. Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the processor is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue might come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on normal applications then this may not be an issue. A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for middle to long term development. O_O --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote: From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info? -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
true dat....i cut my losses..grit my theeth and ordered a kawaida laptop!!! Thanks though!!! On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Hey, for Oracle and Java you will be pushing it too far. A basic load of those Frameworks into RAM and into the page file basically takes a huge chunk out of your memory. Now virtual Memory isn't RAM and really RAM is actually what you need to increase. Virtual memory is in the simplest terms space on your hard disk that's reserved for use as RAM. Virtual Memory is so much slower than RAM and the type pf hardisk and can slow things further. so basically without going into details you basically need hardware upgrades on the Netbook if you want to heack Oracle. The bottom line is, Netbooks are not designed for what you want to do.
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
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hey! I read somewhere that i can increase the virtual memory to 2gig! wouldn't that help?
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
well....bludgers indeed! thanks for the in4 though...back to the drawing board!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com > wrote:
Unfortunately no. The only way to get a bigger cache is to get another processor. It might sound too restrictive but the processor needs to work as efficiently as it can and it might not do so if other items e.g. the OS can affect it's operations. (The operations would be less efficient because the processor will have to check whether it's state has been changed)
Using Java and Oracle 10g on that processor might be a frustrating experience.
Check the processor specs for Orancle 10g to be sure.
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
To: "Skunkworks Forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 8:43 AM
you are right... i was wondering though, is there no way to work around the cache size...like in linux where you can give larger swap space? these are the specs of the machine 'Intel® Atom™ Processor N270, 1.6GHz, 533MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache '
what can i do to optimize it...coz i may have to work with it eventually
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com > wrote:
Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the same for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other normal software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running the same time as your development tools.
Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the processor is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue might come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on normal applications then this may not be an issue.
A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for middle to long term development.
O_O
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM
Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info?
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@Eva The machine has an FSB of 533Mhz!! That is quite slow for System Bus speeds. It wouldn't matter how much RAM you installed, the poor thing would still crawl! FSB is very important also if you want to purchase a good laptop. Please tafuta a little harder (833Mhz or higher) and plan to invest a little more if you want to use the laptop for Java dev! Cheers! 2009/11/2 Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>
true dat....i cut my losses..grit my theeth and ordered a kawaida laptop!!! Thanks though!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Hey, for Oracle and Java you will be pushing it too far. A basic load of those Frameworks into RAM and into the page file basically takes a huge chunk out of your memory. Now virtual Memory isn't RAM and really RAM is actually what you need to increase. Virtual memory is in the simplest terms space on your hard disk that's reserved for use as RAM. Virtual Memory is so much slower than RAM and the type pf hardisk and can slow things further. so basically without going into details you basically need hardware upgrades on the Netbook if you want to heack Oracle. The bottom line is, Netbooks are not designed for what you want to do.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Kimathi" <evakimathi@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 3:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
hey! I read somewhere that i can increase the virtual memory to 2gig! wouldn't that help?
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
well....bludgers indeed! thanks for the in4 though...back to the drawing board!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunately no. The only way to get a bigger cache is to get another processor. It might sound too restrictive but the processor needs to work as efficiently as it can and it might not do so if other items e.g. the OS can affect it's operations. (The operations would be less efficient because the processor will have to check whether it's state has been changed)
Using Java and Oracle 10g on that processor might be a frustrating experience.
Check the processor specs for Orancle 10g to be sure.
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
To: "Skunkworks Forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 8:43 AM
you are right... i was wondering though, is there no way to work around the cache size...like in linux where you can give larger swap space? these are the specs of the machine 'Intel® Atom™ Processor N270, 1.6GHz, 533MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache '
what can i do to optimize it...coz i may have to work with it eventually
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com > wrote:
Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the same for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other normal software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running the same time as your development tools.
Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the processor is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue might come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on normal applications then this may not be an issue.
A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for middle to long term development.
O_O
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM
Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info?
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yeah!!! i agree..! i spent the better part of jana trying to figure out a way i could sort that na hakuna...unless i wait for the N490 duo core atom, which i wont do so yeah! laptop here i come! Thanks y'all for indulging me though!!! On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andrew Wachira <washirah@gmail.com> wrote:
@Eva
The machine has an FSB of 533Mhz!! That is quite slow for System Bus speeds. It wouldn't matter how much RAM you installed, the poor thing would still crawl!
FSB is very important also if you want to purchase a good laptop. Please tafuta a little harder (833Mhz or higher) and plan to invest a little more if you want to use the laptop for Java dev!
Cheers!
2009/11/2 Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>
true dat....i cut my losses..grit my theeth and ordered a kawaida laptop!!!
Thanks though!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Hey, for Oracle and Java you will be pushing it too far. A basic load of those Frameworks into RAM and into the page file basically takes a huge chunk out of your memory. Now virtual Memory isn't RAM and really RAM is actually what you need to increase. Virtual memory is in the simplest terms space on your hard disk that's reserved for use as RAM. Virtual Memory is so much slower than RAM and the type pf hardisk and can slow things further. so basically without going into details you basically need hardware upgrades on the Netbook if you want to heack Oracle. The bottom line is, Netbooks are not designed for what you want to do.
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Kimathi" <evakimathi@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 3:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
hey! I read somewhere that i can increase the virtual memory to 2gig! wouldn't that help?
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
well....bludgers indeed! thanks for the in4 though...back to the drawing board!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunately no. The only way to get a bigger cache is to get another processor. It might sound too restrictive but the processor needs to work as efficiently as it can and it might not do so if other items e.g. the OS can affect it's operations. (The operations would be less efficient because the processor will have to check whether it's state has been changed)
Using Java and Oracle 10g on that processor might be a frustrating experience.
Check the processor specs for Orancle 10g to be sure.
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
To: "Skunkworks Forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 8:43 AM
you are right... i was wondering though, is there no way to work around the cache size...like in linux where you can give larger swap space? these are the specs of the machine 'Intel® Atom™ Processor N270, 1.6GHz, 533MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache '
what can i do to optimize it...coz i may have to work with it eventually
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the same for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other normal software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running the same time as your development tools.
Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the processor is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue might come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on normal applications then this may not be an issue.
A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for middle to long term development.
O_O
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM
Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info?
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@Eva.. don't say you weren't warned! :) & hey, try using Eclipse for Java development, it's super optimised! :) 2009/11/3 Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>
yeah!!! i agree..! i spent the better part of jana trying to figure out a way i could sort that na hakuna...unless i wait for the N490 duo core atom, which i wont do so yeah! laptop here i come!
Thanks y'all for indulging me though!!!
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andrew Wachira <washirah@gmail.com> wrote:
@Eva
The machine has an FSB of 533Mhz!! That is quite slow for System Bus speeds. It wouldn't matter how much RAM you installed, the poor thing would still crawl!
FSB is very important also if you want to purchase a good laptop. Please tafuta a little harder (833Mhz or higher) and plan to invest a little more if you want to use the laptop for Java dev!
Cheers!
2009/11/2 Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>
true dat....i cut my losses..grit my theeth and ordered a kawaida
laptop!!! Thanks though!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Hey, for Oracle and Java you will be pushing it too far. A basic load of those Frameworks into RAM and into the page file basically takes a huge chunk out of your memory. Now virtual Memory isn't RAM and really RAM is actually what you need to increase. Virtual memory is in the simplest terms space on your hard disk that's reserved for use as RAM. Virtual Memory is so much slower than RAM and the type pf hardisk and can slow things further. so basically without going into details you basically need hardware upgrades on the Netbook if you want to heack Oracle. The bottom line is, Netbooks are not designed for what you want to do.
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Kimathi" <evakimathi@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 3:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
hey! I read somewhere that i can increase the virtual memory to 2gig! wouldn't that help?
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
well....bludgers indeed! thanks for the in4 though...back to the drawing board!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com > wrote:
Unfortunately no. The only way to get a bigger cache is to get another processor. It might sound too restrictive but the processor needs to work as efficiently as it can and it might not do so if other items e.g. the OS can affect it's operations. (The operations would be less efficient because the processor will have to check whether it's state has been changed)
Using Java and Oracle 10g on that processor might be a frustrating experience.
Check the processor specs for Orancle 10g to be sure.
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
To: "Skunkworks Forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 8:43 AM
you are right... i was wondering though, is there no way to work around the cache size...like in linux where you can give larger swap space? these are the specs of the machine 'Intel® Atom™ Processor N270, 1.6GHz, 533MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache '
what can i do to optimize it...coz i may have to work with it eventually
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the same for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other normal software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running the same time as your development tools.
Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the processor is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue might come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on normal applications then this may not be an issue.
A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for middle to long term development.
O_O
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM
Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info?
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Knw what, i actually decided to go wit the in4 n the advice, so yes, am going wit the unstylish, heavy but efficent laptop. Maybe later i will find out just how far i can push the atom processor. Thanks 4 the input y'all :-) On 11/3/09, Andrew Wachira <washirah@gmail.com> wrote:
@Eva.. don't say you weren't warned! :) & hey, try using Eclipse for Java development, it's super optimised! :)
2009/11/3 Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>
yeah!!! i agree..! i spent the better part of jana trying to figure out a way i could sort that na hakuna...unless i wait for the N490 duo core atom, which i wont do so yeah! laptop here i come!
Thanks y'all for indulging me though!!!
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andrew Wachira <washirah@gmail.com> wrote:
@Eva
The machine has an FSB of 533Mhz!! That is quite slow for System Bus speeds. It wouldn't matter how much RAM you installed, the poor thing would still crawl!
FSB is very important also if you want to purchase a good laptop. Please tafuta a little harder (833Mhz or higher) and plan to invest a little more if you want to use the laptop for Java dev!
Cheers!
2009/11/2 Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>
true dat....i cut my losses..grit my theeth and ordered a kawaida
laptop!!! Thanks though!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Hey, for Oracle and Java you will be pushing it too far. A basic load of those Frameworks into RAM and into the page file basically takes a huge chunk out of your memory. Now virtual Memory isn't RAM and really RAM is actually what you need to increase. Virtual memory is in the simplest terms space on your hard disk that's reserved for use as RAM. Virtual Memory is so much slower than RAM and the type pf hardisk and can slow things further. so basically without going into details you basically need hardware upgrades on the Netbook if you want to heack Oracle. The bottom line is, Netbooks are not designed for what you want to do.
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Kimathi" <evakimathi@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 3:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
hey! I read somewhere that i can increase the virtual memory to 2gig! wouldn't that help?
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
well....bludgers indeed! thanks for the in4 though...back to the drawing board!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com > wrote:
Unfortunately no. The only way to get a bigger cache is to get another processor. It might sound too restrictive but the processor needs to work as efficiently as it can and it might not do so if other items e.g. the OS can affect it's operations. (The operations would be less efficient because the processor will have to check whether it's state has been changed)
Using Java and Oracle 10g on that processor might be a frustrating experience.
Check the processor specs for Orancle 10g to be sure.
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
To: "Skunkworks Forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 8:43 AM
you are right... i was wondering though, is there no way to work around the cache size...like in linux where you can give larger swap space? these are the specs of the machine 'Intel® Atom™ Processor N270, 1.6GHz, 533MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache '
what can i do to optimize it...coz i may have to work with it eventually
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the same for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other normal software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running the same time as your development tools.
Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the processor is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue might come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on normal applications then this may not be an issue.
A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for middle to long term development.
O_O
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM
Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info?
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Or you could get a macbook, its both stylish and quite powerful (1066MHz FSB, 2GB DDR3, 2.26GHz Core 2 Duo and NVIDIA Geforce 9400M with 256MB of RAM), and at USD$999, it aint that expensive :-) http://www.apple.com/macbook/ On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
Knw what, i actually decided to go wit the in4 n the advice, so yes, am going wit the unstylish, heavy but efficent laptop. Maybe later i will find out just how far i can push the atom processor. Thanks 4 the input y'all :-)
On 11/3/09, Andrew Wachira <washirah@gmail.com> wrote:
@Eva.. don't say you weren't warned! :) & hey, try using Eclipse for Java development, it's super optimised! :)
2009/11/3 Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>
yeah!!! i agree..! i spent the better part of jana trying to figure out a way i could sort that na hakuna...unless i wait for the N490 duo core atom, which i wont do so yeah! laptop here i come!
Thanks y'all for indulging me though!!!
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andrew Wachira <washirah@gmail.com> wrote:
@Eva
The machine has an FSB of 533Mhz!! That is quite slow for System Bus speeds. It wouldn't matter how much RAM you installed, the poor thing would still crawl!
FSB is very important also if you want to purchase a good laptop. Please tafuta a little harder (833Mhz or higher) and plan to invest a little more if you want to use the laptop for Java dev!
Cheers!
2009/11/2 Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>
true dat....i cut my losses..grit my theeth and ordered a kawaida
laptop!!! Thanks though!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Hey, for Oracle and Java you will be pushing it too far. A basic load of those Frameworks into RAM and into the page file basically takes a huge chunk out of your memory. Now virtual Memory isn't RAM and really RAM is actually what you need to increase. Virtual memory is in the simplest terms space on your hard disk that's reserved for use as RAM. Virtual Memory is so much slower than RAM and the type pf hardisk and can slow things further. so basically without going into details you basically need hardware upgrades on the Netbook if you want to heack Oracle. The bottom line is, Netbooks are not designed for what you want to do.
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eva Kimathi" <evakimathi@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 3:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
hey! I read somewhere that i can increase the virtual memory to 2gig! wouldn't that help?
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
well....bludgers indeed! thanks for the in4 though...back to the drawing board!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com > wrote:
Unfortunately no. The only way to get a bigger cache is to get another processor. It might sound too restrictive but the processor needs to work as efficiently as it can and it might not do so if other items e.g. the OS can affect it's operations. (The operations would be less efficient because the processor will have to check whether it's state has been changed)
Using Java and Oracle 10g on that processor might be a frustrating experience.
Check the processor specs for Orancle 10g to be sure.
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors
To: "Skunkworks Forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 8:43 AM
you are right... i was wondering though, is there no way to work around the cache size...like in linux where you can give larger swap space? these are the specs of the machine 'Intel® Atom™ Processor N270, 1.6GHz, 533MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache '
what can i do to optimize it...coz i may have to work with it eventually
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, wesley kirinya < kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the same for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other normal software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running the same time as your development tools.
Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the processor is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue might come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on normal applications then this may not be an issue.
A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for middle to long term development.
O_O
--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote:
From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > Subject: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors To: "Skunkworks forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM
Help! I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is offering. I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is 1gig and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too sure about the processor. i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz its relatively lightweight. anybody out there with helpful info?
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hmmm... it does look stylish but the price tag is kinda out of my range(FOR THE MOMENT) On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Or you could get a macbook, its both stylish and quite powerful (1066MHz FSB, 2GB DDR3, 2.26GHz Core 2 Duo and NVIDIA Geforce 9400M with 256MB of RAM), and at USD$999, it aint that expensive :-) http://www.apple.com/macbook/
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com> wrote:
Knw what, i actually decided to go wit the in4 n the advice, so yes, am going wit the unstylish, heavy but efficent laptop. Maybe later i will find out just how far i can push the atom processor. Thanks 4 the input y'all :-)
On 11/3/09, Andrew Wachira <washirah@gmail.com> wrote:
@Eva.. don't say you weren't warned! :) & hey, try using Eclipse for Java development, it's super optimised! :)
2009/11/3 Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>
yeah!!! i agree..! i spent the better part of jana trying to figure out a way i could sort that na hakuna...unless i wait for the N490 duo core atom, which i wont do so yeah! laptop here i come!
Thanks y'all for indulging me though!!!
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Andrew Wachira <washirah@gmail.com> wrote:
@Eva
The machine has an FSB of 533Mhz!! That is quite slow for System Bus speeds. It wouldn't matter how much RAM you installed, the poor thing would still crawl!
FSB is very important also if you want to purchase a good laptop. Please tafuta a little harder (833Mhz or higher) and plan to invest a little more if you want to use the laptop for Java dev!
Cheers!
2009/11/2 Eva Kimathi <evakimathi@gmail.com>
true dat....i cut my losses..grit my theeth and ordered a kawaida
laptop!!! Thanks though!!!
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
> Hey, for Oracle and Java you will be pushing it too far. A basic load > of > those Frameworks into RAM and into the page file basically takes a huge > chunk out of your memory. Now virtual Memory isn't RAM and really RAM > is > actually what you need to increase. Virtual memory is in the simplest > terms > space on your hard disk that's reserved for use as RAM. Virtual Memory > is so > much slower than RAM and the type pf hardisk and can slow things > further. so > basically without going into details you basically need hardware > upgrades on > the Netbook if you want to heack Oracle. The bottom line is, Netbooks > are > not designed for what you want to do. > > SKYPE: sobbayi > US: +1 202 297 6831 > +1 202 470 0525 > KE: +254 722 627 691 > > http://blog.sobbayi.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eva Kimathi" <evakimathi@gmail.com> > To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2009 3:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors > > > hey! > I read somewhere that i can increase the virtual memory to 2gig! > wouldn't that help? > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > well....bludgers indeed! thanks for the in4 though...back to the > drawing > board!!! > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM, wesley kirinya < > kiriinya2000@yahoo.com > wrote: > > > Unfortunately no. The only way to get a bigger cache is to get another > processor. It might sound too restrictive but the processor needs to > work as > efficiently as it can and it might not do so if other items e.g. the OS > can > affect it's operations. (The operations would be less efficient because > the > processor will have to check whether it's state has been changed) > > Using Java and Oracle 10g on that processor might be a frustrating > experience. > > Check the processor specs for Orancle 10g to be sure. > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors > > To: "Skunkworks Forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 8:43 AM > > > > > > you are right... > i was wondering though, is there no way to work around the cache > size...like in linux where you can give larger swap space? > these are the specs of the machine 'Intel® Atom™ Processor N270, > 1.6GHz, > 533MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache ' > > what can i do to optimize it...coz i may have to work with it > eventually > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, wesley kirinya < > kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Check the hardware requirements for that software. The other factor is > how heavy your software development is. Java IDEs (and I believe the > same > for Oracle Forms) take up a good chunk of memory and processor. Other > normal > software on your system e.g. browsers also take a lion's share of your > system's resources, and it's likely that such software will be running > the > same time as your development tools. > > Besides the processor speed, the L1, L2, ... cache size of the > processor > is important, the Atom has 512KB-1MB which is rather small. This issue > might > come up in a memory intensive application. Anyway if you're workin on > normal > applications then this may not be an issue. > > A Core Duo or Core 2 Duo or similar AMD processors might be better for > middle to long term development. > > O_O > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > From: Eva Kimathi < evakimathi@gmail.com > > Subject: [Skunkworks] developers and atom processors > To: "Skunkworks forum" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 7:48 AM > > > > > > Help! > I am thinking of getting the lg x120 netbook that safaricom is > offering. > I have read reviews on it from the internet (for the netbook) and i was > impressed. I may have all the info i need for it except one mega > factor...can the atom processor work with oracle forms 10g? the ram is > 1gig > and the processor is 1.6ghz. the ram i can work with but i aint too > sure > about the processor. > i figure that for kawaida java development, i may use the jcreator coz > its relatively lightweight. > anybody out there with helpful info? > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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