Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] Kenya: Consumers furious over high internet prices
Prejudged you is not at all correct You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away on travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email "Next week". You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for information. And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media. regards, On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> wrote:
I see you have prejudged us
Regards
Michael CEO Safaricom
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What about the investments already made to the VSAT links? ./bernard On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
Prejudged you is not at all correct
You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away on travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email "Next week".
You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for information.
And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media.
regards,
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> wrote:
I see you have prejudged us
Regards
Michael CEO Safaricom
On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:35, "Gakuru Alex" <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
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"SEACOM and the East African Marine Systems (TEAMS) undersea fibre optic cables went live about a month ago" Really? ./bernard On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
What about the investments already made to the VSAT links?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
Prejudged you is not at all correct
You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away on travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email "Next week".
You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for information.
And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media.
regards,
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> wrote:
I see you have prejudged us
Regards
Michael CEO Safaricom
On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:35, "Gakuru Alex" <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
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which provider do you work for? On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
"SEACOM and the East African Marine Systems (TEAMS) undersea fibre optic cables went live about a month ago"
Really?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
What about the investments already made to the VSAT links?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Prejudged you is not at all correct
You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away on travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email "Next week".
You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for information.
And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media.
regards,
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> wrote:
I see you have prejudged us
Regards
Michael CEO Safaricom
On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:35, "Gakuru Alex" <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
<http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/410/16/39787.html>
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Thats not necessary....I'm also a businesman and when the govt reduces/increases taxes on my products, there's a duration during which i have to recoup my costs, don't you think so? Secondly, when did TEAMS go live? ./bernard On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
which provider do you work for?
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
"SEACOM and the East African Marine Systems (TEAMS) undersea fibre optic cables went live about a month ago"
Really?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
What about the investments already made to the VSAT links?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com
wrote:
Prejudged you is not at all correct
You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away on travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email "Next week".
You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for information.
And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media.
regards,
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke
wrote:
I see you have prejudged us
Regards
Michael CEO Safaricom
On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:35, "Gakuru Alex" <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
<http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/410/16/39787.html>
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The article has not made any reference as to how ISPs intend to recoup investments made on VSAT links. On 9/9/09, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Thats not necessary....I'm also a businesman and when the govt reduces/increases taxes on my products, there's a duration during which i have to recoup my costs, don't you think so? Secondly, when did TEAMS go live?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
which provider do you work for?
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
"SEACOM and the East African Marine Systems (TEAMS) undersea fibre optic cables went live about a month ago"
Really?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
What about the investments already made to the VSAT links?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com
wrote:
Prejudged you is not at all correct
You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away on travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email "Next week".
You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for information.
And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media.
regards,
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke
wrote:
I see you have prejudged us
Regards
Michael CEO Safaricom
On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:35, "Gakuru Alex" <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
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Next week. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
The article has not made any reference as to how ISPs intend to recoup investments made on VSAT links.
On 9/9/09, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Thats not necessary....I'm also a businesman and when the govt reduces/increases taxes on my products, there's a duration during which i have to recoup my costs, don't you think so? Secondly, when did TEAMS go live?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
which provider do you work for?
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
"SEACOM and the East African Marine Systems (TEAMS) undersea fibre optic cables went live about a month ago"
Really?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
What about the investments already made to the VSAT links?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com
wrote:
Prejudged you is not at all correct
You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away on travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email "Next week".
You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for information.
And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media.
regards,
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke
wrote: > I see you have prejudged us > > Regards > > Michael > CEO > Safaricom > > On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:35, "Gakuru Alex" <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> <http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/410/16/39787.html> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: mjoseph@safaricom.co.ke >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mjoseph%40safaricom.co.... > > > ##################################################################################### > NOTE: > The information in this email and any attachments is confidential > and > may be > legallyprivileged. It is intended only for the use of the named > addressee. > Emails are susceptible to alteration and their integrity cannot be > guaranteed.Safaricom Limited does not accept legal responsibility > for > the > contents of thisemail if the same is found to have been altered or > manipulated.The contents and opinions expressed in this email are > solely > those of the authorand do not necessarily represent those of Safaricom > Limited. Safaricom Limiteddisclaims any liability to the fullest extent > permissible by law for any consequencesthat may arise from the contents > of > this email including but not limited to personalopinions, malicious > and/or > defamatory information and data/codes that may compromiseor damage the > integrity of the recipient’s information technology systems.If you are > not > the intended recipient please notify the sender and immediately > deletethis > email from your system.Unless expressly stated by a duly authorised > officer > ofSafaricom Limited nothing contained in this email message may be > construed > as beingan offer to contract or an acceptance of an offer capable > of > constituting a contractbetween Safaricom Limited and any > recipient(s) > of > this email. > > > ##################################################################################### > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Thank you alex. There's been so much talk about ISPs reducing costs.Im looking forward to see how this happens....just like I waited for bread, fuel, sugar, maize,etc. On 9/9/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Next week.
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
The article has not made any reference as to how ISPs intend to recoup investments made on VSAT links.
On 9/9/09, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Thats not necessary....I'm also a businesman and when the govt reduces/increases taxes on my products, there's a duration during which i have to recoup my costs, don't you think so? Secondly, when did TEAMS go live?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
which provider do you work for?
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
"SEACOM and the East African Marine Systems (TEAMS) undersea fibre optic cables went live about a month ago"
Really?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
What about the investments already made to the VSAT links?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com
wrote: > > Prejudged you is not at all correct > > You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately > asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away > on > travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when > specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email > "Next week". > > You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced > communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or > their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for > information. > > And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless > and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media. > > regards, > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael > Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke
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you are quite energized! On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you alex. There's been so much talk about ISPs reducing costs.Im looking forward to see how this happens....just like I waited for bread, fuel, sugar, maize,etc.
On 9/9/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Next week.
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
The article has not made any reference as to how ISPs intend to recoup investments made on VSAT links.
On 9/9/09, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Thats not necessary....I'm also a businesman and when the govt reduces/increases taxes on my products, there's a duration during which i have to recoup my costs, don't you think so? Secondly, when did TEAMS go live?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
which provider do you work for?
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
"SEACOM and the East African Marine Systems (TEAMS) undersea fibre optic cables went live about a month ago"
Really?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote: > > What about the investments already made to the VSAT links? > > > ./bernard > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Gakuru Alex > <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com
> wrote: >> >> Prejudged you is not at all correct >> >> You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately >> asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away >> on >> travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when >> specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email >> "Next week". >> >> You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced >> communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or >> their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for >> information. >> >> And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless >> and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media. >> >> regards, >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael >> Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke
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On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
The article has not made any reference as to how ISPs intend to recoup investments made on VSAT links.
Hi @Bernard, I think there is a genuine problem between users and sellers of internet services. The VSAT contracts have exit clauses just like any other contract, with notice periods. I read the other day that ISPs did not want to sign IRUs with seacom because of a long duration commitment issues, yet the same ISPs say that they commited on VSAT. There are no IRUs on VSAT, so the question really goes down to when? If such a time was commited to ( not 12-24 months ), then Im sure users will be patient. I think SPs who came together under tespok to fight a common cause ( tlk and pressure cck ) now are going to be on the firing end of the same cause. This time around they are going to feel the pressure from consumers, just like TKL and CCK felt at those times. I have a feeling this thing is going to become a big blown out confrontation over time. Lets see the developments into December. Rgds.
Aki, I agree with u.When govts remove VAT on certain items,there's always a general euphoria that prices should tumble.But regulators always leave a vague commitment as to the actual timelines.This leaves consumers bashing business/corporates instead! Consumer interest groups should put pressure on regulators not on firms like kdn,access,etc., for strong boundaries within which to operate.Thats why Im looking forward to next week to see how Alex intends to put forth his view in this regard. On 9/9/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
The article has not made any reference as to how ISPs intend to recoup investments made on VSAT links.
Hi @Bernard, I think there is a genuine problem between users and sellers of internet services. The VSAT contracts have exit clauses just like any other contract, with notice periods. I read the other day that ISPs did not want to sign IRUs with seacom because of a long duration commitment issues, yet the same ISPs say that they commited on VSAT. There are no IRUs on VSAT, so the question really goes down to when? If such a time was commited to ( not 12-24 months ), then Im sure users will be patient. I think SPs who came together under tespok to fight a common cause ( tlk and pressure cck ) now are going to be on the firing end of the same cause. This time around they are going to feel the pressure from consumers, just like TKL and CCK felt at those times. I have a feeling this thing is going to become a big blown out confrontation over time.
Lets see the developments into December.
Rgds.
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On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Thats why Im looking forward to next week to see how Alex intends to put forth his view in this regard.
btw, my views are most likely going to be expressed via international media considering that, and for the first time, mail to a leading local media house are now bouncing. This is on the assumption that my internet link will not, as has happened in the past, automagically fail... This time round the battle-ground is different from the past ISP-TLK war as we are not as financially endowed to mobilise powerful national media instruments. Intereseting times ahead..
Hey Bernard, it seems everyone is stuck between a wedge of pricing and expectations. I can tell you 3 months after the cameras 41% was scrapped by govt, prices still have not come to such levels. I was even more disturbed that a whole tower like CBK has been pushing banks to drop their borrowing rates which they have said no ( while banks borrow at 7.5% from CBK ). I think it is high time some serious economist joined skunks and layed it out on the table. No blame to govt nor businesses. Where is the problem? Why are prices not heading downwards and if they are, why not to expected levels? I think regulators are not the problem. Seems there is a middleground unknown as each and every sector in kenya is taking the same route. The govt has a big problem now. It keeps on promoting local growth through removal of duties,vat but these never reach the consumer in a manner intended to spur growth. If an item is 41% cheaper, then this should reflect so. By also removing the duties/vat, the govt is doing away with corruption in those import sectors. I wonder.... :-)
All these would have been achieved, if the consumers were educated on their rights before some of the products were launched. Now because that didn't take place, it's only rightful if the consumer associations did something in this regard instead of bashing the govt for not doing that or this. BTW, what does Alex and his Consumer Association do? On 09/09/2009, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey Bernard, it seems everyone is stuck between a wedge of pricing and expectations. I can tell you 3 months after the cameras 41% was scrapped by govt, prices still have not come to such levels. I was even more disturbed that a whole tower like CBK has been pushing banks to drop their borrowing rates which they have said no ( while banks borrow at 7.5% from CBK ). I think it is high time some serious economist joined skunks and layed it out on the table. No blame to govt nor businesses. Where is the problem? Why are prices not heading downwards and if they are, why not to expected levels? I think regulators are not the problem. Seems there is a middleground unknown as each and every sector in kenya is taking the same route. The govt has a big problem now. It keeps on promoting local growth through removal of duties,vat but these never reach the consumer in a manner intended to spur growth. If an item is 41% cheaper, then this should reflect so. By also removing the duties/vat, the govt is doing away with corruption in those import sectors. I wonder.... :-)
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My intention here is not to tarnish Alex or any person in any way, but for the need of creating an espirit de coup for holding the concerned parties when addressing consumer issues, instead of Alex being seen as a lone ranger when tackling these issues. It could be a reason why the Telcos are behaving in such a way whenever consumer rights are mentioned. A strong consumer rights body is seriously needed, right now! On 09/09/2009, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
All these would have been achieved, if the consumers were educated on their rights before some of the products were launched. Now because that didn't take place, it's only rightful if the consumer associations did something in this regard instead of bashing the govt for not doing that or this. BTW, what does Alex and his Consumer Association do?
On 09/09/2009, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey Bernard, it seems everyone is stuck between a wedge of pricing and expectations. I can tell you 3 months after the cameras 41% was scrapped by govt, prices still have not come to such levels. I was even more disturbed that a whole tower like CBK has been pushing banks to drop their borrowing rates which they have said no ( while banks borrow at 7.5% from CBK ). I think it is high time some serious economist joined skunks and layed it out on the table. No blame to govt nor businesses. Where is the problem? Why are prices not heading downwards and if they are, why not to expected levels? I think regulators are not the problem. Seems there is a middleground unknown as each and every sector in kenya is taking the same route. The govt has a big problem now. It keeps on promoting local growth through removal of duties,vat but these never reach the consumer in a manner intended to spur growth. If an item is 41% cheaper, then this should reflect so. By also removing the duties/vat, the govt is doing away with corruption in those import sectors. I wonder.... :-)
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Below suggest Safaricom. I can understand your corporate grief:-) I shall let you get over it. over and out... ------------- From: Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Zap to other networks To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> The point is you can MPESA or ZAP to any mobile number. All you need is an authorization/transaction code and proof of ID. ./bernard ----- On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Nairobi,Mombasa,Nakuru, Kisumu,Kisii, Eldoret...
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:02 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
It is not countrywide. Not even the whole of Nairobi nor MSA. Areas like Ngong, Some parts of Thika Road, Ruai in Nairobi and Mtwapa and Chanzu in MSA are hardly covered
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On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Gakuru Alex<alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
which provider do you work for?
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Bernard Mwagiru<bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
"SEACOM and the East African Marine Systems (TEAMS) undersea fibre optic cables went live about a month ago"
Really?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
What about the investments already made to the VSAT links?
./bernard
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Prejudged you is not at all correct
You were on local media news days ago on this issue. I immediately asked you to react to my letter which you chose not to citing away on travel, and busy with business. As of today, when I asked you when specifically you would respond, you reverted with a two-word email "Next week".
You see, our advocacy for quality, affordable, fairly-priced communication is not dependent on any service providers schedules or their ability to respond, via email, to our requests for information.
And in any case, we have the right to state our position regardless and I am very sure that you can respond well via various media.
regards,
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Michael Joseph<MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> wrote:
I see you have prejudged us
Regards
Michael CEO Safaricom
On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:35, "Gakuru Alex" <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
<http://www.bizcommunity.com/Article/410/16/39787.html>
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@Riyaz, btw did you refund this dissatisfied consumer ? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> Date: Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Zuku Internet Service To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> The service is highly wanting.They called me today to offer a refund !
I mean, like KDN assisted here: # Bernard MWagiru on 03 Mar 2008 at 11:03 pm I’m interested in finding out how Butterfly works as far as charging is concerned. When you get to the login page after connecting to a hotspot and enter the scratch card or ISP account details, does KDN charge you according to the duration of connectivity or data traffic? Safaricom charge 12/- per Mb. And as soon as you connect to the hotspot, the AP automatically redirects to a login page and as soon as you enter some credentials, you are automatically directed to the internet! Is there a logout button that signals butterfly to disconnect you and hence stop charging? So my view of how this works is as so: WiFi client ——->AP——>ScratchcardDB——>validation——>if Ok—–>direct to google—–>start charging account # # bgmon 04 Mar 2008 at 10:15 am Hey Bernard, Once you enter the scratch card(they’re not really safcom/celtel like scratchcards but plain old print outs with access codes) details there is no way to logout. So if I load up the 200/- 12hr access code, I have access for the next 12hrs only… <http://69mb.org/2008/02/evaluating-butterfly/> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Gakuru Alex<alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
@Riyaz, btw did you refund this dissatisfied consumer ?
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The service is highly wanting.They called me today to offer a refund !
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