@Brainiac, Read this, you might get the logic. http://kivuva.kenya.or.ke/index.php/comps/2010/07/10/kenic-a-critical-intern... Don't forget the economies of scale enjoyed by the giant gTLD root registries, and the 'hidden' charges in renewal where a .com domain reverts to $10 on the second year. Don't also forget that such gTLD companies are able to make more revenue on associated products like hosting, emails, search engine optimization, marketing, software development, nakadhalika. Also do the maths, 3000 total domains, assume all are co.ke @2000 that is KES6Million/year to pay all KENIC salaries, manage servers, pay KIXP, pay bandwidth, do marketing, e.t.c. Lets give KENIC a breathing space and help them with their marketing strategy. Let us help build brand Kenya. Let us convince our clients to take .ke domains, and be patriotic, like what is happening in South Africa, Japan, and Australia Regards 10rd -- Get .co.ke for KES2000 + VAT (give caesar what belongs to caesar) On 7/14/10, skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke <skunkworks-request@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:09:32 +0300 From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] DVBT vs ISDB whats this brazillian agenda? Message-ID: <AANLkTikQPM-lk9KTuOFspHe1plWmu8VcqvmDpMawE2Ey@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
just from reading the article on bdafrica
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion%20&%20Analysis/Reject%20Brazil%20...
Just wondering if the real geeks can enlighten me in english. Not geekglish or skunglish. :-)
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Late night ranting. @lordmwesh i think they (or at least you) have all the maths wrong. If we have only 4000 domains, why do we need soo many staff members. That means the industry is heaving a heavier burden than it can carry. Onto economies of scale, which one preceeds the other, lowering the prices or getting more volumes to achieve economies of scale? On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:05 AM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brainiac,
Read this, you might get the logic.
http://kivuva.kenya.or.ke/index.php/comps/2010/07/10/kenic-a-critical-intern...
Don't forget the economies of scale enjoyed by the giant gTLD root registries, and the 'hidden' charges in renewal where a .com domain reverts to $10 on the second year. Don't also forget that such gTLD companies are able to make more revenue on associated products like hosting, emails, search engine optimization, marketing, software development, nakadhalika.
Also do the maths, 3000 total domains, assume all are co.ke @2000 that is KES6Million/year to pay all KENIC salaries, manage servers, pay KIXP, pay bandwidth, do marketing, e.t.c.
Lets give KENIC a breathing space and help them with their marketing strategy. Let us help build brand Kenya. Let us convince our clients to take .ke domains, and be patriotic, like what is happening in South Africa, Japan, and Australia
Regards 10rd
-- Get .co.ke for KES2000 + VAT (give caesar what belongs to caesar)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:09:32 +0300 From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] DVBT vs ISDB whats this brazillian agenda? Message-ID: <AANLkTikQPM-lk9KTuOFspHe1plWmu8VcqvmDpMawE2Ey@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
just from reading the article on bdafrica
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion%20&%20Analysis/Reject%20Brazil%20...
Just wondering if the real geeks can enlighten me in english. Not
geekglish
or skunglish. :-)
-- Posted on 100% recycled electrons
Look at https://registry.kenic.or.ke/statistics.jsp On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:21 AM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:
Late night ranting.
@lordmwesh i think they (or at least you) have all the maths wrong. If we have only 4000 domains, why do we need soo many staff members. That means the industry is heaving a heavier burden than it can carry.
Onto economies of scale, which one preceeds the other, lowering the prices or getting more volumes to achieve economies of scale?
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:05 AM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote: @Brainiac,
Read this, you might get the logic.
http://kivuva.kenya.or.ke/index.php/comps/2010/07/10/kenic-a-critical-intern...
Don't forget the economies of scale enjoyed by the giant gTLD root registries, and the 'hidden' charges in renewal where a .com domain reverts to $10 on the second year. Don't also forget that such gTLD companies are able to make more revenue on associated products like hosting, emails, search engine optimization, marketing, software development, nakadhalika.
Also do the maths, 3000 total domains, assume all are co.ke @2000 that is KES6Million/year to pay all KENIC salaries, manage servers, pay KIXP, pay bandwidth, do marketing, e.t.c.
Lets give KENIC a breathing space and help them with their marketing strategy. Let us help build brand Kenya. Let us convince our clients to take .ke domains, and be patriotic, like what is happening in South Africa, Japan, and Australia
Regards 10rd
-- Get .co.ke for KES2000 + VAT (give caesar what belongs to caesar)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:09:32 +0300 From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] DVBT vs ISDB whats this brazillian agenda? Message-ID: <AANLkTikQPM-lk9KTuOFspHe1plWmu8VcqvmDpMawE2Ey@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
just from reading the article on bdafrica
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion%20&%20Analysis/Reject%20Brazil%20...
Just wondering if the real geeks can enlighten me in english. Not
geekglish
or skunglish. :-)
-- Posted on 100% recycled electrons
Thanks Moses for en-lighting us! *** All Registration and Renewal fees are subject to VAT -* 16% * By the way does the use *.ke* domain increase Internet traffic to Kenya? Do you have any information that you wont mind sharing with us On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Moses Kemibaro <moses@dotsavvyafrica.com>wrote:
Look at https://registry.kenic.or.ke/statistics.jsp
On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:21 AM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:
Late night ranting.
@lordmwesh i think they (or at least you) have all the maths wrong. If we have only 4000 domains, why do we need soo many staff members. That means the industry is heaving a heavier burden than it can carry.
Onto economies of scale, which one preceeds the other, lowering the prices or getting more volumes to achieve economies of scale?
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:05 AM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brainiac,
Read this, you might get the logic.
http://kivuva.kenya.or.ke/index.php/comps/2010/07/10/kenic-a-critical-intern...
Don't forget the economies of scale enjoyed by the giant gTLD root registries, and the 'hidden' charges in renewal where a .com domain reverts to $10 on the second year. Don't also forget that such gTLD companies are able to make more revenue on associated products like hosting, emails, search engine optimization, marketing, software development, nakadhalika.
Also do the maths, 3000 total domains, assume all are co.ke @2000 that is KES6Million/year to pay all KENIC salaries, manage servers, pay KIXP, pay bandwidth, do marketing, e.t.c.
Lets give KENIC a breathing space and help them with their marketing strategy. Let us help build brand Kenya. Let us convince our clients to take .ke domains, and be patriotic, like what is happening in South Africa, Japan, and Australia
Regards 10rd
-- Get .co.ke for KES2000 + VAT (give caesar what belongs to caesar)
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1. DVBT vs ISDB whats this brazillian agenda? ([ Brainiac ]) 2. Re: List of Misused words and phrases in skunkworks (ndungu stephen) 3. Re: OT: You've got to love some of that CSI nonsense (ndungu stephen) 4. .co.ke domains ([ Brainiac ]) 5. GMail + SyncML (Simon Mbuthia) 6. Re: GMail + SyncML ([watchman]) 7. Re: scratch cards generating algorithm (Chris | Ronell Africa) 8. Burundi (Chris | Ronell Africa) 9. Re: scratch cards generating algorithm (Chris | Ronell Africa)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:09:32 +0300 From: "[ Brainiac ]" <arebacollins@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] DVBT vs ISDB whats this brazillian agenda? Message-ID: <AANLkTikQPM-lk9KTuOFspHe1plWmu8VcqvmDpMawE2Ey@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
just from reading the article on bdafrica
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion%20&%20Analysis/Reject%20Brazil%20...
Just wondering if the real geeks can enlighten me in english. Not
geekglish
or skunglish. :-)
-- Posted on 100% recycled electrons
On 14 July 2010 11:12, Moses Katembu <mose.kate@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Moses for en-lighting us!
*** All Registration and Renewal fees are subject to VAT -* 16% *
By the way does the use *.ke* domain increase Internet traffic to Kenya?
There seem to be numerous SSL errors on the KENIC website - see attached screenshot - makes convincing people to go .ke a whole lot more difficult when they greeted with scary "keep away" messages. -- Pamoja e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> skype: d.were
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 14 July 2010 11:12, Moses Katembu <mose.kate@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Moses for en-lighting us!
*** All Registration and Renewal fees are subject to VAT -* 16% *
By the way does the use *.ke* domain increase Internet traffic to Kenya?
There seem to be numerous SSL errors on the KENIC website - see attached screenshot - makes convincing people to go .ke a whole lot more difficult when they greeted with scary "keep away" messages.
I am thinking that most people going to KENIC website would mostly be those who have enough technical knowledge to discern what a self-signed certificate is. I suppose KENIC needs a commercial certificate, signed by Thawte (because it's African by descent):-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
According to KENIC website, there are 13361 domains, not 3000. What number of domains does KENIC consider to be sufficient, for there to be a cost reduction? Tito. On 17 July 2010 15:21, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 14 July 2010 11:12, Moses Katembu <mose.kate@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Moses for en-lighting us!
*** All Registration and Renewal fees are subject to VAT -* 16% *
By the way does the use *.ke* domain increase Internet traffic to Kenya?
There seem to be numerous SSL errors on the KENIC website - see attached screenshot - makes convincing people to go .ke a whole lot more difficult when they greeted with scary "keep away" messages.
I am thinking that most people going to KENIC website would mostly be those who have enough technical knowledge to discern what a self-signed certificate is. I suppose KENIC needs a commercial certificate, signed by Thawte (because it's African by descent):-)
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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I am thinking that most people going to KENIC website would mostly be those who have enough technical knowledge to discern what a self-signed certificate is. I suppose KENIC needs a commercial certificate, signed by Thawte (because it's African by descent):-)
Washington I disagree. KENIC should not expect most people going to their website to have "enough technical knowledge to discern what a self-signed certificate" is. That, in my opinion, is ridiculous because on the one hand we can not have KENIC and all .ke supporters (me included) wanting the number of .ke domains to increase while at the same time not recognising that it is a BIG problem that when people go to find out where to register those domains they are greet with a warning advising them to go away from the website. Suddenly it seems safer to have a myblog.com or mycompany.comthan myblog.co.ke or mycompany.co.ke. Unless we expect everyone who wants a .ke domain to hire a Skunk to navigate the technical mine fields for them? Why would they bother? -- Pamoja e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> skype: d.were
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
I am thinking that most people going to KENIC website would mostly be those who have enough technical knowledge to discern what a self-signed certificate is. I suppose KENIC needs a commercial certificate, signed by Thawte (because it's African by descent):-)
Washington I disagree. KENIC should not expect most people going to their website to have "enough technical knowledge to discern what a self-signed certificate" is. That, in my opinion, is ridiculous because on the one hand we can not have KENIC and all .ke supporters (me included) wanting the number of .ke domains to increase while at the same time not recognising that it is a BIG problem that when people go to find out where to register those domains they are greet with a warning advising them to go away from the website. Suddenly it seems safer to have a myblog.com or mycompany.com than myblog.co.ke or mycompany.co.ke.
Hehee..
Unless we expect everyone who wants a .ke domain to hire a Skunk to navigate the technical mine fields for them? Why would they bother?
Of course, since KENIC does not allow just anyone to knock at their doors and register a domain:-) They must be classified as a REGISTRAR and they just don't earn that title. Some requirements must be met. I've taken the liberty to take a look at KENIC website again today and I did not see anything posted there for the non-technical folks. I think what you want to see is KENIC website looking something like the godaddy.com or www.enom.com. They will get there one day, I believe. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
Of course, since KENIC does not allow just anyone to knock at their doors and register a domain:-) They must be classified as a REGISTRAR and they just don't earn that title. Some requirements must be met.
Certainly. But now this conversation is losing the forest for the trees. The simple point is this: if you have a website (ANY website not just kenic.or.ke) and people logging on to some pages on that website are met with a message advising them to leave your website immediately as it may be a malicious website, that is a problem. Whose problem? It is not the problem of the person trying to access the site, they will simply go elsewhere. It is the problem of the owner of the website. Unless of course your strategy is to scare people away from your own website, in which case, they should carry on! -- Pamoja e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> skype: d.were
KENIC, Just buy an external cert, just like Daudi advises. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
I am thinking that most people going to KENIC website would mostly be those who have enough technical knowledge to discern what a self-signed certificate is. I suppose KENIC needs a commercial certificate, signed by Thawte (because it's African by descent):-)
Washington I disagree. KENIC should not expect most people going to their website to have "enough technical knowledge to discern what a self-signed certificate" is. That, in my opinion, is ridiculous because on the one hand we can not have KENIC and all .ke supporters (me included) wanting the number of .ke domains to increase while at the same time not recognising that it is a BIG problem that when people go to find out where to register those domains they are greet with a warning advising them to go away from the website. Suddenly it seems safer to have a myblog.com or mycompany.comthan myblog.co.ke or mycompany.co.ke.
Unless we expect everyone who wants a .ke domain to hire a Skunk to navigate the technical mine fields for them? Why would they bother?
-- Pamoja
e:daudi.were@gmail.com <e%3Adaudi.were@gmail.com> skype: d.were
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