Still on the same topic and the struggle continues. I did more research and cannot believe 18 years later since the first wiki was created, am at a handicap of either a generation or knowledge gap. I've totally refused to RE and still working creating my very own wiki but no solid break through as yet. Does any face such problems or am I just making it difficult for myself? The wiki battle continues.... Rgds.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 08:07, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Still on the same topic and the struggle continues. I did more research and cannot believe 18 years later since the first wiki was created, am at a handicap of either a generation or knowledge gap. I've totally refused to RE and still working creating my very own wiki but no solid break through as yet. Does any face such problems or am I just making it difficult for myself? The wiki battle continues....
Aki, Do you still want to retain the lie that you have limited time to achieve your objectives? Ok, I am asking this because I remember you saying you don't have enough time in your hands, but here you are, trying to create your own Wiki:-) What is it that you see yourself doing differently in this Wiki than what the other Wikis do? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines http://www.screwturn.eu/
From those sites, I saw a couple that are free, and can run on Windows, but maybe I misunderstood you completely this time, because I still don't understand what you want to do and why.
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@Wash, :-) Just to make a correction, the wiki's not for commercial use but I also don't want to be forced to use someone else's code, whether free or not. I can understand commercially the use of quick turn around solutions which makes sense to beat client deadlines or not enough time to create, but this thing am working on must not have a single line of creative "copyright or acknowledgements/redistributions/author names" code to it. Meaning I can do it on any language, as long as it its complies with local creativity/creation. Think of yourself as a photographer. What image you take is unique to you and your camera. And everyone takes pictures so there would be no need to have new cameras and models, but everyone still wants to own their own camera too and take pictures. Am just applying the same concept that all the wikis exist and are free, mine will have its own stamp on it whether different or not. So when I frame the picture ( wiki-building towards kplc web app ), I can reflect back on some self achievement of building from scratch. I can imagine the day when someone out there will use the code, they will have to comply with this acknowledgement : "This code was created in non other than the 3rd world. You must be pretty stupid and screwed up to use this code. But thank you for giving the copyright acknowledgement. We are proud of the small achievements too " And your are very right, not only is time my enemy but also the difficulty too. Am already into Feb and still not quite progressed on the KPLC web app, but will not give up until its published online. That is already been decided. We must soldier on.... :-) Rgds. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 08:07, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Still on the same topic and the struggle continues. I did more research and cannot believe 18 years later since the first wiki was created, am at a handicap of either a generation or knowledge gap. I've totally refused to RE and still working creating my very own wiki but no solid break through as yet. Does any face such problems or am I just making it difficult for myself? The wiki battle continues....
Aki,
Do you still want to retain the lie that you have limited time to achieve your objectives? Ok, I am asking this because I remember you saying you don't have enough time in your hands, but here you are, trying to create your own Wiki:-)
What is it that you see yourself doing differently in this Wiki than what the other Wikis do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines http://www.screwturn.eu/
From those sites, I saw a couple that are free, and can run on Windows, but maybe I misunderstood you completely this time, because I still don't understand what you want to do and why.
Hello On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash, :-)
Just to make a correction, the wiki's not for commercial use but I also don't want to be forced to use someone else's code,
@Aki, when you advance from being a hacker / coder to a software engineer, you will realise the value of re-use [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_reuse ] in software development. Laziness is truly a virtue, that is why programmers use software libraries all the time in their projects :) All the same, do not give up hope in your endeavours with this project. Martin.
whether free or not. I can understand commercially the use of quick turn around solutions which makes sense to beat client deadlines or not enough time to create, but this thing am working on must not have a single line of creative "copyright or acknowledgements/redistributions/author names" code to it. Meaning I can do it on any language, as long as it its complies with local creativity/creation.
Think of yourself as a photographer. What image you take is unique to you and your camera. And everyone takes pictures so there would be no need to have new cameras and models, but everyone still wants to own their own camera too and take pictures. Am just applying the same concept that all the wikis exist and are free, mine will have its own stamp on it whether different or not. So when I frame the picture ( wiki-building towards kplc web app ), I can reflect back on some self achievement of building from scratch. I can imagine the day when someone out there will use the code, they will have to comply with this acknowledgement : "This code was created in non other than the 3rd world. You must be pretty stupid and screwed up to use this code. But thank you for giving the copyright acknowledgement. We are proud of the small achievements too "
And your are very right, not only is time my enemy but also the difficulty too. Am already into Feb and still not quite progressed on the KPLC web app, but will not give up until its published online. That is already been decided.
We must soldier on.... :-)
Rgds.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 08:07, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Still on the same topic and the struggle continues. I did more research and cannot believe 18 years later since the first wiki was created, am at a handicap of either a generation or knowledge gap. I've totally refused to RE and still working creating my very own wiki but no solid break through as yet. Does any face such problems or am I just making it difficult for myself? The wiki battle continues....
Aki,
Do you still want to retain the lie that you have limited time to achieve your objectives? Ok, I am asking this because I remember you saying you don't have enough time in your hands, but here you are, trying to create your own Wiki:-)
What is it that you see yourself doing differently in this Wiki than what the other Wikis do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines http://www.screwturn.eu/
From those sites, I saw a couple that are free, and can run on Windows, but maybe I misunderstood you completely this time, because I still don't understand what you want to do and why.
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@Martin, cheers. :-) On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash, :-)
Just to make a correction, the wiki's not for commercial use but I also don't want to be forced to use someone else's code,
@Aki, when you advance from being a hacker / coder to a software engineer, you will realise the value of re-use [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_reuse ] in software development. Laziness is truly a virtue, that is why programmers use software libraries all the time in their projects :)
All the same, do not give up hope in your endeavours with this project.
Martin.
Just a by the way why not include those on the list that might have the time and are inclined to do the project with you You could do a system analysis and break it down into modules that guys could work on maybe in teams or individual. It's a great thing you doing so keep on doing it. My 2 cents. On 8 Feb 2012 12:25, "aki" <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Martin, cheers. :-)
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash, :-)
Just to make a correction, the wiki's not for commercial use but I also don't want to be forced to use someone else's code,
@Aki, when you advance from being a hacker / coder to a software engineer, you will realise the value of re-use [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_reuse ] in software development. Laziness is truly a virtue, that is why programmers use software libraries all the time in their projects :)
All the same, do not give up hope in your endeavours with this project.
Martin.
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Hi @Kris, Thanks for the suggestion. :-) I've tried very hard to provoke programmers into thinking and questioning the current status over the last 12 months, including patiently taking in some insults along the way after posting certain threads, all I ever read was excuses and defensive emails for not doing more. Programming is like Malaria to many coders, they are too scared and stay away from it. In the starting of the thread, I threw in a further angle i.e after 18 years of the first wiki creation, no Kenyan programmer has the slightest clue because if someone had taken the initiative, am sure they would not hold back on responding. Moving on, the wiki was not planned at all until I did the flow for kplc monitoring project, and seems the best way to do things. Once I crack this wiki creation obstacle and there are still many others to go, for me the possibilities are endless as it opens up new avenues for the code to be applied. I could invite others but this is not progressive, I'd prefer if others who are much ahead of me on programming to do better and bigger projects that will fulfil local creation/creative goals. I'd also like to add a comment to those who are misleading others out there. *Open Source is not programming, please stop this nonsense*. If you are in the business of selling DEVELOPED free or open software and want to shove it up the 3rd World's you know what, you are a business person not a programmer, so sell it and do your thing. Don't try to justify programming and ready made solutions are going to save us from expenditures and the rest, you are just part and parcel of the problems. Rgds. :-) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:35 AM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a by the way why not include those on the list that might have the time and are inclined to do the project with you
You could do a system analysis and break it down into modules that guys could work on maybe in teams or individual. It's a great thing you doing so keep on doing it. My 2 cents.
Hello @Aki, On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:30 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi @Kris,
Thanks for the suggestion. :-)
I've tried very hard to provoke programmers into thinking and questioning the current status over the last 12 months, including patiently taking in some insults along the way after posting certain threads, all I ever read was excuses and defensive emails for not doing more. Programming is like Malaria to many coders, they are too scared and stay away from it. In the starting of the thread, I threw in a further angle i.e after 18 years of the first wiki creation, no Kenyan programmer has the slightest clue because if someone had taken the initiative, am sure they would not hold back on responding.
Once again, a small correction. At least I know one wiki type of system done in Kenya by a Kenyan and for the most part meant for Kenyans [ http://www.sciencehackday.or.ke/ ]. The source code is available here [ https://github.com/chiteri/shdnbi/ ] and I believe that you are aware of this, even though we kept the discussions off-list.
Moving on, the wiki was not planned at all until I did the flow for kplc monitoring project, and seems the best way to do things. Once I crack this wiki creation obstacle and there are still many others to go, for me the possibilities are endless as it opens up new avenues for the code to be applied. I could invite others but this is not progressive, I'd prefer if others who are much ahead of me on programming to do better and bigger projects that will fulfil local creation/creative goals.
I'd also like to add a comment to those who are misleading others out there. *Open Source is not programming, please stop this nonsense*.
Let me try to justify the rationale behind FOSS. I will not quote it verbatim but from the Keynote of Mark Ramm on Django Conference 2008 [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fipFKyW2FA4 ], in his critique for the django Web development framework he says that, "No matter how much innovative and smart you think you are within your organization (e.g at Google / Microsoft / Apple), there will always have a larger number of smart and more innovative people outside your organization than inside it. That is why you have to always be on the lookout and copy their ideas if they are better.". Please say so if you need any help :D Martin.
If you are in the business of selling DEVELOPED free or open software and want to shove it up the 3rd World's you know what, you are a business person not a programmer, so sell it and do your thing. Don't try to justify programming and ready made solutions are going to save us from expenditures and the rest, you are just part and parcel of the problems.
Rgds. :-)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:35 AM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a by the way why not include those on the list that might have the time and are inclined to do the project with you
You could do a system analysis and break it down into modules that guys could work on maybe in teams or individual. It's a great thing you doing so keep on doing it. My 2 cents.
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@Aki, as much as I often disagree with your perceptions, I have to sort of agree with you on something here: Don't give a hoot what other people suggest you do/not do, just do what your passion is driving you to. That said, @Martin has a valid point, there is always someone smarter out there. You don't have to copy what they have done, but you can learn from them and in the process, make yourself better, which then results in a better product. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello @Aki,
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:30 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi @Kris,
Thanks for the suggestion. :-)
I've tried very hard to provoke programmers into thinking and questioning the current status over the last 12 months, including patiently taking in some insults along the way after posting certain threads, all I ever read was excuses and defensive emails for not doing more. Programming is like Malaria to many coders, they are too scared and stay away from it. In the starting of the thread, I threw in a further angle i.e after 18 years of the first wiki creation, no Kenyan programmer has the slightest clue because if someone had taken the initiative, am sure they would not hold back on responding.
Once again, a small correction. At least I know one wiki type of system done in Kenya by a Kenyan and for the most part meant for Kenyans [ http://www.sciencehackday.or.ke/ ]. The source code is available here [ https://github.com/chiteri/shdnbi/ ] and I believe that you are aware of this, even though we kept the discussions off-list.
Moving on, the wiki was not planned at all until I did the flow for kplc monitoring project, and seems the best way to do things. Once I crack this wiki creation obstacle and there are still many others to go, for me the possibilities are endless as it opens up new avenues for the code to be applied. I could invite others but this is not progressive, I'd prefer if others who are much ahead of me on programming to do better and bigger projects that will fulfil local creation/creative goals.
I'd also like to add a comment to those who are misleading others out there. *Open Source is not programming, please stop this nonsense*.
Let me try to justify the rationale behind FOSS. I will not quote it verbatim but from the Keynote of Mark Ramm on Django Conference 2008 [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fipFKyW2FA4 ], in his critique for the django Web development framework he says that, "No matter how much innovative and smart you think you are within your organization (e.g at Google / Microsoft / Apple), there will always have a larger number of smart and more innovative people outside your organization than inside it. That is why you have to always be on the lookout and copy their ideas if they are better.".
Please say so if you need any help :D
Martin.
If you are in the business of selling DEVELOPED free or open software and want to shove it up the 3rd World's you know what, you are a business person not a programmer, so sell it and do your thing. Don't try to justify programming and ready made solutions are going to save us from expenditures and the rest, you are just part and parcel of the problems.
Rgds. :-)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:35 AM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a by the way why not include those on the list that might have the time and are inclined to do the project with you
You could do a system analysis and break it down into modules that guys could work on maybe in teams or individual. It's a great thing you doing so keep on doing it. My 2 cents.
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@Peter, cheers :-) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki, as much as I often disagree with your perceptions, I have to sort of agree with you on something here:
Don't give a hoot what other people suggest you do/not do, just do what your passion is driving you to.
That said, @Martin has a valid point, there is always someone smarter out there. You don't have to copy what they have done, but you can learn from them and in the process, make yourself better, which then results in a better product.
how i wish the energy could be channeled towards a single goal @aki.. you remind me of a certain commission out to have nuclear energy for Kenya thats recently advertising a logo design competition for the said organization..... On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:50 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Peter, cheers :-)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki, as much as I often disagree with your perceptions, I have to sort of agree with you on something here:
Don't give a hoot what other people suggest you do/not do, just do what your passion is driving you to.
That said, @Martin has a valid point, there is always someone smarter out there. You don't have to copy what they have done, but you can learn from them and in the process, make yourself better, which then results in a better product.
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@Areba, long time no see? welcome back. :-) @Martin, good morning to you too. Am certain you do much more important things with better impact during your other time, as everyone else, however I think you are the only person on this list so far that has done something from scratch. As a further example and IMHO, What about 99% of others. Those thousands who make it past University level each year causing annoying traffic jams and had the chance to not pretend that poverty and lack of education affected their performances or chances. This is all am saying, that a lot of you programmers that are ahead need to look at the full circle so that those 99% kondoo degree holders ( kondoo reference means one sheep follows the other ) who probably will follow the same dream of sitting on their a.ses and waiting to become something because the next pretend is that there is a lack of jobs which is another excuse not to do things, can have a peers that mean some guidance. If University levels thinking is that of consumerism of the 3rd world i.e I have a ancestral land upcountry that I can fall back on in hard times, I really need to become a business person to complete the equation of success which means I'll play more pretend of being an e.g Open Source vendor ( not programmer ) developer, then we are where on the scale of development in a sector that has a very strong potential to change the destiny of this country within the 10 year cycle? some thots. :-)
@Areba, long time no see? welcome back. :-) @Martin, good morning to you too. Am certain you do much more important things with better impact during your other time, as everyone else, however I think you are the only person on this list so far that has done something from scratch. As a further example and IMHO, What about 99% of others. Those thousands who make it past University level each year causing annoying traffic jams and had the chance to not pretend that poverty and lack of education affected their performances or chances. This is all am saying, that a lot of you programmers that are ahead need to look at the full circle so that those 99% kondoo degree holders ( kondoo reference means one sheep follows the other ) who probably will follow the same dream of sitting on their a.ses and waiting to become something because the next pretend is that there is a lack of jobs which is another excuse not to do things, can have a peers that mean some guidance. If University levels thinking is that of consumerism of the 3rd world i.e I have a ancestral land upcountry that I can fall back on in hard times, I really need to become a business person to complete the equation of success which means I'll play more pretend of being an e.g Open Source vendor ( not programmer ) developer, then we are where on the scale of development in a sector that has a very strong potential to change the destiny of this country within the 10 year cycle, not even 30 years? some thots. :-)
@Martin, Inline below. :-) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello @Aki,
I've tried very hard to provoke programmers into thinking and questioning the current status over the last 12 months, including patiently taking in some insults along the way after posting certain threads, all I ever read was excuses and defensive emails for not doing more. Programming is like Malaria to many coders, they are too scared and stay away from it. In the starting of the thread, I threw in a further angle i.e after 18 years of the first wiki creation, no Kenyan programmer has the slightest clue because if someone had taken the initiative, am sure they would not hold back on responding.
Once again, a small correction. At least I know one wiki type of system done in Kenya by a Kenyan and for the most part meant for Kenyans [ http://www.sciencehackday.or.ke/ ]. The source code is available here [ https://github.com/chiteri/shdnbi/ ] and I believe that you are aware of this, even though we kept the discussions off-list.
Am aware but a person of your calibre on programming should not be wasting time on such projects. There is much more you can achieve that can have a better impact.
Moving on, the wiki was not planned at all until I did the flow for kplc monitoring project, and seems the best way to do things. Once I crack this wiki creation obstacle and there are still many others to go, for me the possibilities are endless as it opens up new avenues for the code to be applied. I could invite others but this is not progressive, I'd prefer if others who are much ahead of me on programming to do better and bigger projects that will fulfil local creation/creative goals.
I'd also like to add a comment to those who are misleading others out there. *Open Source is not programming, please stop this nonsense*.
Let me try to justify the rationale behind FOSS. I will not quote it verbatim but from the Keynote of Mark Ramm on Django Conference 2008 [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fipFKyW2FA4 ], in his critique for the django Web development framework he says that, "No matter how much innovative and smart you think you are within your organization (e.g at Google / Microsoft / Apple), there will always have a larger number of smart and more innovative people outside your organization than inside it. That is why you have to always be on the lookout and copy their ideas if they are better.".
Please say so if you need any help :D
Martin.
I appreciate the offer but I need to figure out the wiki structure on my own however am in total disagreement with you on the above point. Will take this up some other time when we can go point-point on this. :-)
Good morning, On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:50 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Martin, Inline below. :-)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello @Aki,
I've tried very hard to provoke programmers into thinking and questioning the current status over the last 12 months, including patiently taking in some insults along the way after posting certain threads, all I ever read was excuses and defensive emails for not doing more. Programming is like Malaria to many coders, they are too scared and stay away from it. In the starting of the thread, I threw in a further angle i.e after 18 years of the first wiki creation, no Kenyan programmer has the slightest clue because if someone had taken the initiative, am sure they would not hold back on responding.
Once again, a small correction. At least I know one wiki type of system done in Kenya by a Kenyan and for the most part meant for Kenyans [ http://www.sciencehackday.or.ke/ ]. The source code is available here [ https://github.com/chiteri/shdnbi/ ] and I believe that you are aware of this, even though we kept the discussions off-list.
Am aware but a person of your calibre on programming should not be wasting time on such projects. There is much more you can achieve that can have a better impact.
All I can say is that we all have to start somewhere in order to move to greater heights, don't we @Aki? Also what tells you that simply because I wrote a small Website for some obscure event that means that am not doing "more important things with better impact." with my other time, eeh?
Moving on, the wiki was not planned at all until I did the flow for kplc monitoring project, and seems the best way to do things. Once I crack this wiki creation obstacle and there are still many others to go, for me the possibilities are endless as it opens up new avenues for the code to be applied. I could invite others but this is not progressive, I'd prefer if others who are much ahead of me on programming to do better and bigger projects that will fulfil local creation/creative goals.
I'd also like to add a comment to those who are misleading others out there. *Open Source is not programming, please stop this nonsense*.
Let me try to justify the rationale behind FOSS. I will not quote it verbatim but from the Keynote of Mark Ramm on Django Conference 2008 [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fipFKyW2FA4 ], in his critique for the django Web development framework he says that, "No matter how much innovative and smart you think you are within your organization (e.g at Google / Microsoft / Apple), there will always have a larger number of smart and more innovative people outside your organization than inside it. That is why you have to always be on the lookout and copy their ideas if they are better.".
Please say so if you need any help :D
Martin.
I appreciate the offer but I need to figure out the wiki structure on my own however am in total disagreement with you on the above point. Will take this up some other time when we can go point-point on this. :-)
At this point I would like to acknowledge that it is very difficult to convince you to adopt a different thinking from what your mind is already set on. For that reason, I give up all efforts in doing so and wish you the very best in your upcoming projects. Martin.
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