Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: KRA has gone online...but!(LPA Members)
Bwana Ikua, i propose that LPA members take up the issue with KRA. We can give dialogue a chance. I guess it was an oversight on the technical team. Regards On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, john kihahu <kihahu@gmail.com> wrote:
*Lets not just be critics acting like our politicians!!* Fyodor, you know you need to contact some1 bout it n I'm sure you know who that person is!
If you notice this notice you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:19, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Georg, I can attest to that!
Such a pathetic way of telling someone thank you!!!
2009/4/5 George Githinji <georgkam@gmail.com>
This is total crap! https://forodha.kra.go.ke/
trying accessing this URL and from latest firefox browser and it displays a message. Simba 2005 can only accessed using *Microsoft Internet Explorer Version 5.0 and above*.
I can't believe it!
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Skunks and Skunkettes,
At least we are back and right on course!
The other day I went to Times Tower (Tower Wing) to apply for a VAT certificate from KRA. The lady at the reception bluntly refused to have my documents saying KRA is no longer accepting manual applications either for VAT or PIN. She further told me to log on to www.kra.go.ke/portal and I'd be able to register the details of my company, as long as it is a valid and legal entity.
When I logged on to the site, which is too colourful for my 'ageing' eyes, I finally clicked on the Taxpayer Registration<https://mapato1.kra.go.ke/itms>just under the E-registration services I entered the company's PIN number and all the details about the company were on my screen. Now, the funny part is that when I set a new password and waited for next page to open, I was told that the agent (who registered my company) does not exist on the Integrated Tax Management System of KRA. So I cannot proceed with the registration for a VAT certificate.
Then I gave a shot at my PIN and interestingly, the PIN number does not exist on the ITMS of KRA again. I've tried this on a number of occasions without getting any through. (I tried using my friends PIN and his worked, though it later asked for his parent's names). Could it be that PIN certificates can be fake? And can KRA really isue fake PIN certificates?
Anyone amongst you who has experienced a problem with the KRA portal?
It really gets into my nerves!
Mburu
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I most definately have,, since the day they announced in Kiss 100 that we can now fill our tax return forms online, i was happy,, because of alot of travel in and out of kenya, i cud finally fill in the tax returns from wherever for our 2 cents company until we finally do something worth with it in future. But ooh no, the website claims that the certificate of incorporation, the company pin, and the company itself does not exist [ its 1 year old} - and tells me expressly to go and register the company... What do they mean by register a company that already exists ?? Do we need to register the companies again [just by name at kra] so they can put in the database??? I dont know if a kra guy is in this forum,, but the online thing does not really work or their database does not have all companies in their database.. Please check.
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:46 AM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
I most definately have,, since the day they announced in Kiss 100 that we can now fill our tax return forms online, i was happy,, because of alot of travel in and out of kenya, i cud finally fill in the tax returns from wherever for our 2 cents company until we finally do something worth with it in future.
So, is this facility for individuals as well as businesses or what? I was trying to get in as the former. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
Does this mean we have an opportunity to be exempted from tax since you do not exist in their database. had a similar problem with one of my pins. or better still enjoy a tax relief till they sort it out since we cannot do returns... On 4/6/09, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:46 AM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
I most definately have,, since the day they announced in Kiss 100 that we can now fill our tax return forms online, i was happy,, because of alot of travel in and out of kenya, i cud finally fill in the tax returns from wherever for our 2 cents company until we finally do something worth with it in future.
So, is this facility for individuals as well as businesses or what? I was trying to get in as the former.
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:55 AM, davis muriuki <dmuriuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Does this mean we have an opportunity to be exempted from tax since you do not exist in their database. had a similar problem with one of my pins. or better still enjoy a tax relief till they sort it out since we cannot do returns...
I am keen on knowing if I can access this facility with an individual's PIN, not company PIN. Soon I need to make tax returns, yawa! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
Hello Skunks, Businesses apply too. SoleProprietor in my case. Took less than 10 mins to complete my returns. Ooh I used IExplore 8. All the best -- Regards, SELECT REVERSE('aregnonc');
Hallo Stephen My responses in blue below: TESPOK is one of the partners working with KRA over the last 2 years to get this system in place. However, there are a number of teething problems especially in synchronizing the data from Registrars of Companies and Persons. Since the departments were running on manual record keeping it was realised that during the data transfer from hard copy to electronic some data was either omitted or left out. KRA with the related agencies is in the process of cleaning this data. I would also like to encourage all individuals to visit the KRA website www.kra.go.ke <http://www.kra.go.ke/> and go to online service to register as an individual or corporate. If individual information is inaccurate kindly contact 020- 4999999 the ITMS call center for assistance. The ITMS (Integrated Tax Management System) should be accessible on any browse I have managed to open it on Mozilla fire fox, IE and safari without any problems. You input shall go a long way in helping improve the system. We the system gives an answer that isn't clear kindly call 020- 4999999 and you shall be assisted. Regards, Fiona Asonga Secretariat Manager TESPOK/KIXP _____ From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of ndungu stephen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:46 AM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: KRA has gone online...but!(LPA Members) I most definately have,, since the day they announced in Kiss 100 that we can now fill our tax return forms online, i was happy,, because of alot of travel in and out of kenya, i cud finally fill in the tax returns from wherever for our 2 cents company until we finally do something worth with it in future. But ooh no, the website claims that the certificate of incorporation, the company pin, and the company itself does not exist [ its 1 year old} - and tells me expressly to go and register the company... What do they mean by register a company that already exists ?? It means the details of the company you have that has been registered for the last one year are missing from the database of companies from the register of companies. Since you already have a certificate of incorporation the registrar of companies is best placed to verify you company details an update their data. Do we need to register the companies again [just by name at kra] so they can put in the database??? You don't need to register the company again by any name. It must be part of the missing data from registrar of companies. The system is integrating data from various sources but KRA has no authority to change the data from the sources especially when it is data that they have not had before. If you have made at least one tax return whether VAT or PAYE then you are already in KRA's system so that is easier to verify. When it is a new entry and the data is missing verification can only come from the register of companies. Then the registrar of companies shall transfer new data on new registrations as well as updates on pre-existing files to the KRA system for public access and use by us (the end-user/tax payer). I dont know if a kra guy is in this forum,, but the online thing does not really work or their database does not have all companies in their database.. Please check. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by <http://www.mailscanner.info/> MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Fiona, thanks for your response to an earlier query. Just out of curiosity, is KRA, TESPOK and the Registrar of Companies working towards synchronizing the online details of a registered entity? And, do you have the contacts of the companies registrar or one has to make a physical visit there? Solomon On 06/04/2009, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hallo Stephen
My responses in blue below:
TESPOK is one of the partners working with KRA over the last 2 years to get this system in place. However, there are a number of teething problems especially in synchronizing the data from Registrars of Companies and Persons. Since the departments were running on manual record keeping it was realised that during the data transfer from hard copy to electronic some data was either omitted or left out. KRA with the related agencies is in the process of cleaning this data.
I would also like to encourage all individuals to visit the KRA website www.kra.go.ke <http://www.kra.go.ke/> and go to online service to register as an individual or corporate. If individual information is inaccurate kindly contact 020- 4999999 the ITMS call center for assistance.
The ITMS (Integrated Tax Management System) should be accessible on any browse I have managed to open it on Mozilla fire fox, IE and safari without any problems.
You input shall go a long way in helping improve the system. We the system gives an answer that isn't clear kindly call 020- 4999999 and you shall be assisted.
Regards,
Fiona Asonga
Secretariat Manager
TESPOK/KIXP
_____
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of ndungu stephen Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:46 AM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: KRA has gone online...but!(LPA Members)
I most definately have,, since the day they announced in Kiss 100 that we can now fill our tax return forms online, i was happy,, because of alot of travel in and out of kenya, i cud finally fill in the tax returns from wherever for our 2 cents company until we finally do something worth with it in future.
But ooh no, the website claims that the certificate of incorporation, the company pin, and the company itself does not exist [ its 1 year old} - and tells me expressly to go and register the company...
What do they mean by register a company that already exists ??
It means the details of the company you have that has been registered for the last one year are missing from the database of companies from the register of companies. Since you already have a certificate of incorporation the registrar of companies is best placed to verify you company details an update their data.
Do we need to register the companies again [just by name at kra] so they can put in the database???
You don't need to register the company again by any name. It must be part of the missing data from registrar of companies. The system is integrating data from various sources but KRA has no authority to change the data from the sources especially when it is data that they have not had before. If you have made at least one tax return whether VAT or PAYE then you are already in KRA's system so that is easier to verify. When it is a new entry and the data is missing verification can only come from the register of companies. Then the registrar of companies shall transfer new data on new registrations as well as updates on pre-existing files to the KRA system for public access and use by us (the end-user/tax payer).
I dont know if a kra guy is in this forum,, but the online thing does not really work or their database does not have all companies in their database..
Please check.
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Hello Fiona, I tried with Opera 9.64, Could't do much, So please advice the developers to consider Opera and/or any other browser apart from the ones you mentioned( I know a guy who has developed (and is using) his own Browser using Java). -- Regards, SELECT REVERSE('aregnonc');
Solomon, The ITMS steering team is working with the relevant government agencies to have all the data synchronized. The team realizes that this is a key milestone in making the system relevant to end users. Regards -----Original Message----- From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Solomon Mburu Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:37 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: KRA has gone online...but!(LPA Members) Fiona, thanks for your response to an earlier query. Just out of curiosity, is KRA, TESPOK and the Registrar of Companies working towards synchronizing the online details of a registered entity? And, do you have the contacts of the companies registrar or one has to make a physical visit there? Solomon On 06/04/2009, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hallo Stephen
My responses in blue below:
TESPOK is one of the partners working with KRA over the last 2 years to get
this system in place. However, there are a number of teething problems
especially in synchronizing the data from Registrars of Companies and
Persons. Since the departments were running on manual record keeping it was
realised that during the data transfer from hard copy to electronic some
data was either omitted or left out. KRA with the related agencies is in the
process of cleaning this data.
I would also like to encourage all individuals to visit the KRA website
www.kra.go.ke <http://www.kra.go.ke/> and go to online service to register
as an individual or corporate. If individual information is inaccurate
kindly contact 020- 4999999 the ITMS call center for assistance.
The ITMS (Integrated Tax Management System) should be accessible on any
browse I have managed to open it on Mozilla fire fox, IE and safari without
any problems.
You input shall go a long way in helping improve the system. We the system
gives an answer that isn't clear kindly call 020- 4999999 and you shall be
assisted.
Regards,
Fiona Asonga
Secretariat Manager
TESPOK/KIXP
_____
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[mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of ndungu stephen
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:46 AM
To: Skunkworks forum
Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: KRA has gone online...but!(LPA Members)
I most definately have,, since the day they announced in Kiss 100 that we
can now fill our tax return forms online, i was happy,, because of alot of
travel in and out of kenya, i cud finally fill in the tax returns from
wherever for our 2 cents company until we finally do something worth with it
in future.
But ooh no, the website claims that the certificate of incorporation, the
company pin, and the company itself does not exist [ its 1 year old} - and
tells me expressly to go and register the company...
What do they mean by register a company that already exists ??
It means the details of the company you have that has been registered for
the last one year are missing from the database of companies from the
register of companies. Since you already have a certificate of incorporation
the registrar of companies is best placed to verify you company details an
update their data.
Do we need to register the companies again [just by name at kra] so they can
put in the database???
You don't need to register the company again by any name. It must be part of
the missing data from registrar of companies. The system is integrating data
from various sources but KRA has no authority to change the data from the
sources especially when it is data that they have not had before. If you
have made at least one tax return whether VAT or PAYE then you are already
in KRA's system so that is easier to verify. When it is a new entry and the
data is missing verification can only come from the register of companies.
Then the registrar of companies shall transfer new data on new registrations
as well as updates on pre-existing files to the KRA system for public access
and use by us (the end-user/tax payer).
I dont know if a kra guy is in this forum,, but the online thing does not
really work or their database does not have all companies in their
database..
Please check.
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Thanks for the explanation Fiona, you should consider ropping in a few skunks, they have the requisite expertise, washington et al ready for action :) On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Solomon,
The ITMS steering team is working with the relevant government agencies to have all the data synchronized. The team realizes that this is a key milestone in making the system relevant to end users.
Regards
-----Original Message----- From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Solomon Mburu Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:37 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: KRA has gone online...but!(LPA Members)
Fiona, thanks for your response to an earlier query. Just out of
curiosity, is KRA, TESPOK and the Registrar of Companies working
towards synchronizing the online details of a registered entity? And,
do you have the contacts of the companies registrar or one has to make
a physical visit there? Solomon
On 06/04/2009, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hallo Stephen
My responses in blue below:
TESPOK is one of the partners working with KRA over the last 2 years to get
this system in place. However, there are a number of teething problems
especially in synchronizing the data from Registrars of Companies and
Persons. Since the departments were running on manual record keeping it was
realised that during the data transfer from hard copy to electronic some
data was either omitted or left out. KRA with the related agencies is in the
process of cleaning this data.
I would also like to encourage all individuals to visit the KRA website
www.kra.go.ke <http://www.kra.go.ke/> and go to online service to register
as an individual or corporate. If individual information is inaccurate
kindly contact 020- 4999999 the ITMS call center for assistance.
The ITMS (Integrated Tax Management System) should be accessible on any
browse I have managed to open it on Mozilla fire fox, IE and safari without
any problems.
You input shall go a long way in helping improve the system. We the system
gives an answer that isn't clear kindly call 020- 4999999 and you shall be
assisted.
Regards,
Fiona Asonga
Secretariat Manager
TESPOK/KIXP
_____
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[mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of ndungu stephen
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:46 AM
To: Skunkworks forum
Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: KRA has gone online...but!(LPA Members)
I most definately have,, since the day they announced in Kiss 100 that we
can now fill our tax return forms online, i was happy,, because of alot of
travel in and out of kenya, i cud finally fill in the tax returns from
wherever for our 2 cents company until we finally do something worth with it
in future.
But ooh no, the website claims that the certificate of incorporation, the
company pin, and the company itself does not exist [ its 1 year old} - and
tells me expressly to go and register the company...
What do they mean by register a company that already exists ??
It means the details of the company you have that has been registered for
the last one year are missing from the database of companies from the
register of companies. Since you already have a certificate of incorporation
the registrar of companies is best placed to verify you company details an
update their data.
Do we need to register the companies again [just by name at kra] so they can
put in the database???
You don't need to register the company again by any name. It must be part of
the missing data from registrar of companies. The system is integrating data
from various sources but KRA has no authority to change the data from the
sources especially when it is data that they have not had before. If you
have made at least one tax return whether VAT or PAYE then you are already
in KRA's system so that is easier to verify. When it is a new entry and the
data is missing verification can only come from the register of companies.
Then the registrar of companies shall transfer new data on new registrations
as well as updates on pre-existing files to the KRA system for public access
and use by us (the end-user/tax payer).
I dont know if a kra guy is in this forum,, but the online thing does not
really work or their database does not have all companies in their
database..
Please check.
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Thank you for the detailed report Fiona, its good to know that you guys are doing something about it. You mentioned that we should register as a company or individual, i do that, but the next page after filling in certificate of incorporation tells me to approach KRA for a PIN certificate... I already have the PIN certificate - so i dont know how to proceed from there. Further, i have been meaning to ask , my certificate of incorporation number is in the format: "C. <space> <then numerals xxxxxx> ," How do we fill in this one ? Should we put in the space ? What about the full stop ? Is it case sensitive ?? May be the error is coming from this place - i have tried all methods but the site still tells me to approach kra for a PIN cert. w/r snn
Thanks I shall look into it and get back to you on how to best rope in some skunks. Fiona _____ From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:27 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: KRA has gone online...but!(LPA Members) Thanks for the explanation Fiona, you should consider ropping in a few skunks, they have the requisite expertise, washington et al ready for action :) On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote: Solomon, The ITMS steering team is working with the relevant government agencies to have all the data synchronized. The team realizes that this is a key milestone in making the system relevant to end users. Regards -----Original Message----- From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Solomon Mburu Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:37 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: KRA has gone online...but!(LPA Members) Fiona, thanks for your response to an earlier query. Just out of curiosity, is KRA, TESPOK and the Registrar of Companies working towards synchronizing the online details of a registered entity? And, do you have the contacts of the companies registrar or one has to make a physical visit there? Solomon On 06/04/2009, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hallo Stephen
My responses in blue below:
TESPOK is one of the partners working with KRA over the last 2 years to get
this system in place. However, there are a number of teething problems
especially in synchronizing the data from Registrars of Companies and
Persons. Since the departments were running on manual record keeping it was
realised that during the data transfer from hard copy to electronic some
data was either omitted or left out. KRA with the related agencies is in the
process of cleaning this data.
I would also like to encourage all individuals to visit the KRA website
www.kra.go.ke <http://www.kra.go.ke/> and go to online service to register
as an individual or corporate. If individual information is inaccurate
kindly contact 020- 4999999 the ITMS call center for assistance.
The ITMS (Integrated Tax Management System) should be accessible on any
browse I have managed to open it on Mozilla fire fox, IE and safari without
any problems.
You input shall go a long way in helping improve the system. We the system
gives an answer that isn't clear kindly call 020- 4999999 and you shall be
assisted.
Regards,
Fiona Asonga
Secretariat Manager
TESPOK/KIXP
_____
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[mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of ndungu stephen
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:46 AM
To: Skunkworks forum
Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: KRA has gone online...but!(LPA Members)
I most definately have,, since the day they announced in Kiss 100 that we
can now fill our tax return forms online, i was happy,, because of alot of
travel in and out of kenya, i cud finally fill in the tax returns from
wherever for our 2 cents company until we finally do something worth with it
in future.
But ooh no, the website claims that the certificate of incorporation, the
company pin, and the company itself does not exist [ its 1 year old} - and
tells me expressly to go and register the company...
What do they mean by register a company that already exists ??
It means the details of the company you have that has been registered for
the last one year are missing from the database of companies from the
register of companies. Since you already have a certificate of incorporation
the registrar of companies is best placed to verify you company details an
update their data.
Do we need to register the companies again [just by name at kra] so they can
put in the database???
You don't need to register the company again by any name. It must be part of
the missing data from registrar of companies. The system is integrating data
from various sources but KRA has no authority to change the data from the
sources especially when it is data that they have not had before. If you
have made at least one tax return whether VAT or PAYE then you are already
in KRA's system so that is easier to verify. When it is a new entry and the
data is missing verification can only come from the register of companies.
Then the registrar of companies shall transfer new data on new registrations
as well as updates on pre-existing files to the KRA system for public access
and use by us (the end-user/tax payer).
I dont know if a kra guy is in this forum,, but the online thing does not
really work or their database does not have all companies in their
database..
Please check.
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks for the explanation Fiona, you should consider ropping in a few skunks, they have the requisite expertise, washington et al ready for action :)
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Hey just got this from here http://www.microsoft.com/interop/principles/default.mspx The days of lazy programmers are long gone... they should be able to develop systems that can run on any platform/browser. My 0.5 cents regards, Interoperability Principles Open Connections, Standards Support, Data Portability Published: February 21, 2008 | Updated: February 21, 2008 Microsoft recognizes that in an increasingly interconnected computing landscape, enabling interoperability between products from different vendors has become more important than ever. Spurred in part by the standards-based nature of the Internet, the computing industry has made great strides toward achieving effective interoperability between a wide range of products to meet customer needs. But customers are demanding more from all software companies. For its part, Microsoft recognizes the important responsibilities that it bears by virtue of the mission-critical use of its products by customers worldwide on a daily basis. Certain Microsoft products (Windows Vista including the .NET Framework, Windows Server 2008, SQL Server 2008, Office 2007, Exchange 2007, and Office SharePoint Server 2007, and future versions of these products, referred to in this document as “high-volume products”) have become so central to operational continuity of customers’ businesses that interoperability and data portability solutions are more valued than ever. To promote such interoperability and ensure the continued appeal of its products to developers and customers, Microsoft is committed to designing these high-volume products, and to running its business, in accordance with the following principles addressed to open connections to its products, support for industry standards and data portability. To guide Microsoft in its work under these principles, Microsoft will rely on input from the Interoperability Executive Customer Council, a customer advisory council consisting mainly of Chief Information Officers and Chief Technology Officers of large enterprises and government departments from around the world. In addition to other sources of community and customer input, the Council will provide important direction to Microsoft concerning matters such as which new or updated standards are most important for implementation in Microsoft’s products and how best to ensure interoperability in scenarios where existing industry implementations of a standard may subtly vary from one another. *Principle I: Open Connections to Microsoft Products* Microsoft is committed to establishing and maintaining open connections between its high-volume products and non-Microsoft products. There are two ways that products generally interoperate with one another: through external protocols and APIs. Microsoft will ensure that these connections are open so that any developer can use them to connect to our products. We will provide open connections as follows: 1. *Open Protocols. <http://msdn.microsoft.com/openprotocols>* Microsoft commits that all the protocols in its high-volume products that are used by any other Microsoft product will be made openly available to the developer community in a non-discriminatory fashion. These Open Protocols may include protocols that implement industry standards. 2. *Open APIs.* Microsoft commits that all the APIs in its high-volume products that are used by any other Microsoft product will be made openly available to the developer community in a non-discriminatory fashion. These Open APIs may include APIs that implement industry standards. 3. *Open Access.* Microsoft will publish its documentation for these Open Protocols and Open APIs on its website so that all developers will have the benefit of this technical information in a manner that takes advantage of the nature of open discussion on the web. Microsoft will not require developers to obtain a license, or to pay a royalty or other fee, to have access to all this information. Under Principle IV, Microsoft will establish a forum that includes a mechanism for others to provide feedback and commentary. This will foster the continued improvement of the documentation and facilitate third-party product development. 4. *RAND Patent Terms.* Some of Microsoft’s Open Protocols are covered by patents. Microsoft will indicate on its website which protocols are covered by Microsoft patents and will license all of these patents on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms, at low royalty rates. To assist developers in clearly understanding whether or not Microsoft patents may apply to any of the protocols, Microsoft will make available a list of the specific Microsoft patents and patent applications that cover each protocol. We will make this list available once for each release of a high-volume product that includes Open Protocols. Microsoft will not assert patents on any Open Protocol unless those patents appear on that list. Third parties do not need licenses to any Microsoft patents to call these Open APIs. 5. *Open Source Compatibility.* Microsoft will covenant not to sue<http://www.microsoft.com/interop/principles/osspatentpledge.mspx>open source developers for development and non-commercial distribution of implementations of these Open Protocols. *Principle II: Support for Standards* Microsoft commits to supporting relevant standards in its high-volume products and doing so in a way that promotes interoperability. What this means is: 1. *Support for Key Standards.* Microsoft supports many standards promulgated by standards bodies in its products today. We will rely upon customer advice emerging from our Interoperability Executive Customer Council and our ongoing community and customer engagement efforts to help us prioritize which standards we should support in any given product release. We will also continue to participate actively in standards bodies, contributing to the development of new standards and the improvement of existing standards. 2. *Broad Compatibility.* When the decision is made to support a standard in a version of a high-volume product, Microsoft will work with other major implementers of the standard toward achieving robust, consistent, and interoperable implementation across a broad range of widely deployed products. To that same end, Microsoft will document for the development community how it supports such standards and how it is working towards broad compatibility and interoperability. These steps will facilitate compatibility for customers in real-world scenarios. 3. *Extensions.* Microsoft will document extensions to a standard implemented in its high-volume products where such extensions are relevant to interoperability with other implementations of that standard. Microsoft will publish the extension specifications for the developer community on its website. In some cases Microsoft will also submit these extensions to the relevant standard-setting organization. These steps will enable developers who wish to do so to robustly interoperate with Microsoft’s enhanced implementation of a standard. As with its Open Protocols and Open APIs, Microsoft will publish information about its support for standards on its website, including the specifics of standards extensions, without requiring the developer to obtain a license, or to pay a royalty or other fee, to access such information. Microsoft will also make available a list of any of its patents that cover any extensions, and will make available patent licenses on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms. *Principle III: Data Portability* Once customers use one software product to store their data, they should be able to subsequently access that data in a form that permits its use in other software products. Microsoft commits to designing its high-volume products and providing documentation to enable such data portability. There are a variety of means to achieve these goals. Microsoft will meet these goals through methods such as the following: 1. *Industry Standard Formats.* Microsoft supports many data formats promulgated by standards bodies in its products today. We will apply Principle II with respect to any standards-based data formats in our high-volume products. We will incorporate customer advice from our Interoperability Executive Customer Council and our ongoing community and customer engagement efforts to give us guidance to prioritize which standards we support in any given product release. 2. *Open Formats.* Any data formats developed by Microsoft where the portability and interchangeability of customer data is critical—such as those formats in which users create and exchange documents—will either be offered to a standard-setting organization for standardization, or will be made available to enable independent implementation by the developer community. Such Open Formats will be documented in their entirety with the exception of portions understood by the industry to be “opaque by design,” such as objects embedded by other applications. Here again, access to specifications regarding Open Formats that are not standardized will be available on Microsoft’s website, royalty-free, and with no need to obtain a license. Patents, if any apply, will be made available for licensing on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms. 3. *Open Import/Export.* As another means to achieve data portability, Microsoft will provide “import” and “export” functions in various products that enable the transfer of user data from one application to another. 4. *Document Format Defaults.* Different customers will choose different default document formats based on their own information management and retention needs. We will design the core Microsoft Office applications to enable customers to set default file formats they use when opening and saving documents. These applications will also include a plug-in architecture that enables developers to add support for opening and saving additional document formats. Microsoft believes that the industry has a responsibility to come together to address the interests of users in interoperability and effective data exchange between widely deployed document format implementations. To this end, it will launch a Document Interoperability Initiative that will include an ongoing series of labs around the world where implementers of document formats optimize data exchange between implementations, community development of conformance testing suites for popular formats, and publication of document templates that enable optimized interoperability between different formats. *Principle IV: Open Engagement* Microsoft recognizes that no single company can address interoperability challenges on its own and that collaboration with customers, partners and other vendors is of critical importance. This collaboration includes open communication on the interoperability challenges that customers are experiencing and the ways in which those challenges can be addressed. In addition to our engagement under these principles with the Interoperability Executive Customer Council, Microsoft will increase our communications with the customer, information technology, and open source communities. What this means is: 1. *Interoperability Forum.<http://www.microsoft.com/interop/principles/forum.mspx> * Microsoft will create an Interoperability Forum for discussing and addressing interoperability related issues of importance to customers around the world. The Interoperability Forum will be an easy to use, web-based resource containing information about what Microsoft is doing in the area of interoperability, and will enable an open dialogue on issues of importance to users and information technology companies. Microsoft will continue to work through the Interoperability Vendor Alliance and other industry mechanisms to collaborate on the development of solutions to those issues. 2. *Open Source Interoperability Initiative.<http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/interop> * To increase interoperability with open source solutions, the Microsoft Open Source Interoperability Initiative will facilitate bilateral engagement between Microsoft and the open source community. This initiative will encompass a broad range of facilities, events, and resources supporting interoperability, including labs, “plug fests,” and technical content, as well as opportunities for participation in ongoing cooperative development. 3. *Document Interoperability Initiative.<http://www.microsoft.com/interop/dii/default.aspx> * Microsoft will launch a Document Interoperability Initiative to bring together industry members to address issues of interoperability and effective data exchange between widely deployed document format implementations. Developers may be interested in access to additional Microsoft technologies beyond those covered in these principles. Microsoft is open to discussing how additional technology sharing could provide customer benefits in particular scenarios with a view toward licensing its intellectual property on commercially reasonable terms.
Roy, Nice to see Microsoft opening up to interoperability. It took them long enough though ;) Thank you for sharing the link. -- Δαβίδ Phyllis Diller - "If it weren't for baseball, many kids wouldn't know what a millionaire looked like."
@ Fiona Thanks, i succeeded with the help line that you gave me. Apparently when filling the certificate of incorporation, you are not supposed to put the first latin character in C. XXXXXX - you are only supposed to put the digits. I think this format should be footnoted in the filling form. Thanks. w/regards snn
simba 2005 was made on/for the .NET platform.... and as you're all aware when developers get lazy, as i usually do, we tend to 'over'-rely on the existing controls of the current IDE and forget to test/deploy on other systems. M$ standards are/were quite different from other internet standards and some Active-X controls were not compatible with other browsers. so the lazy developers, decided to do a browser check before all you guys would start critisizing a system that worked on IE and windows. it was intended for a few KRA employees (customs), agents and banks so it was quite easy to make IE a prerequisite. the new system should be browser independent. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Bwana Ikua, i propose that LPA members take up the issue with KRA. We can give dialogue a chance. I guess it was an oversight on the technical team. Regards
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, john kihahu <kihahu@gmail.com> wrote:
*Lets not just be critics acting like our politicians!!* Fyodor, you know you need to contact some1 bout it n I'm sure you know who that person is!
If you notice this notice you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:19, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Georg, I can attest to that!
Such a pathetic way of telling someone thank you!!!
2009/4/5 George Githinji <georgkam@gmail.com>
This is total crap! https://forodha.kra.go.ke/
trying accessing this URL and from latest firefox browser and it displays a message. Simba 2005 can only accessed using *Microsoft Internet Explorer Version 5.0 and above*.
I can't believe it!
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Skunks and Skunkettes,
At least we are back and right on course!
The other day I went to Times Tower (Tower Wing) to apply for a VAT certificate from KRA. The lady at the reception bluntly refused to have my documents saying KRA is no longer accepting manual applications either for VAT or PIN. She further told me to log on to www.kra.go.ke/portal and I'd be able to register the details of my company, as long as it is a valid and legal entity.
When I logged on to the site, which is too colourful for my 'ageing' eyes, I finally clicked on the Taxpayer Registration<https://mapato1.kra.go.ke/itms>just under the E-registration services I entered the company's PIN number and all the details about the company were on my screen. Now, the funny part is that when I set a new password and waited for next page to open, I was told that the agent (who registered my company) does not exist on the Integrated Tax Management System of KRA. So I cannot proceed with the registration for a VAT certificate.
Then I gave a shot at my PIN and interestingly, the PIN number does not exist on the ITMS of KRA again. I've tried this on a number of occasions without getting any through. (I tried using my friends PIN and his worked, though it later asked for his parent's names). Could it be that PIN certificates can be fake? And can KRA really isue fake PIN certificates?
Anyone amongst you who has experienced a problem with the KRA portal?
It really gets into my nerves!
Mburu
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM, ukuta ken <ukutaken@gmail.com> wrote:
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and as you're all aware when developers get lazy, as i usually do, we tend to 'over'-rely on the existing controls of the current IDE and forget to test/deploy on other systems.
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LOL!
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Barrack Otieno -
Clement Ongera -
David Njuki -
davis muriuki -
Fiona Asonga -
Joseph Wayodi -
ndungu stephen -
Odhiambo Washington -
Paul Roy -
Solomon Mburu -
ukuta ken