@victor what kind of a job? -- On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

Coz Kenyans apparenlty preffer 10 years experience to Degrees

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Why is it hard for a Diploma student to get a job?

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They have a theory that Degree students do diplomas just to get the degree. A diploma student with 1 year experience is not a liability because of the experience On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:43 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:

@Paul whats the difference between a Diploma student with working experience of 1+ years with a Degree student with no experience

@Gisho IT job

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@victor what kind of a job?

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Coz Kenyans apparenlty preffer 10 years experience to Degrees

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Why is it hard for a Diploma student to get a job?

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@Paul but when you present your papers they cant give a chance to show your work On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

And when it comes to IT, its what you can do other than what you know

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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They have a theory that Degree students do diplomas just to get the degree. A diploma student with 1 year experience is not a liability because of the experience

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@Paul whats the difference between a Diploma student with working experience of 1+ years with a Degree student with no experience

@Gisho IT job

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:40 AM, gisho <gichuhie@gmail.com> wrote:

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@victor what kind of a job?

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On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com>wrote:

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Coz Kenyans apparenlty preffer 10 years experience to Degrees

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Why is it hard for a Diploma student to get a job?

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@Victor, I only cleared high school and went to IAT. After I taught myself all I know. So when I applied for an IT job, I had projects and all the experience I needed from freelancing On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:03 AM, julianne anyim <julianneanyim@gmail.com>wrote:

Diploma people are actually very good at hands-on techy techy stuff, from what i have seen at my work place. They should not be overlooked.

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@Paul but when you present your papers they cant give a chance to show your work

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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And when it comes to IT, its what you can do other than what you know

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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They have a theory that Degree students do diplomas just to get the degree. A diploma student with 1 year experience is not a liability because of the experience

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@Paul whats the difference between a Diploma student with working experience of 1+ years with a Degree student with no experience

@Gisho IT job

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@victor what kind of a job?

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> Coz Kenyans apparenlty preffer 10 years experience to Degrees > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:37 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Why is it hard for a Diploma student to get a job? >> >> -- >> Regards >> Yegon Victor >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Greetings Everyone, My take is that it all depends on the policy of the Company. Having cleared College with a Diploma Cert in Nov 2008. I got my second Internship with a Private Software Firm and several months later I got a job with them. The Management Team was open-minded and were keen to absorb young people who could deliver. Even though I had a Diploma with no IT Certification, they still gave me a chance(Internship>Job) and with time I gave back Brilliant work!!! On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:10 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:

@Paul thats the point what matters alot is what one can deliver

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@Victor, I only cleared high school and went to IAT. After I taught myself all I know. So when I applied for an IT job, I had projects and all the experience I needed from freelancing

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:03 AM, julianne anyim <julianneanyim@gmail.com>wrote:

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Diploma people are actually very good at hands-on techy techy stuff, from what i have seen at my work place. They should not be overlooked.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:00 PM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote:

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@Paul but when you present your papers they cant give a chance to show your work

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com>wrote:

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And when it comes to IT, its what you can do other than what you know

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com>wrote:

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They have a theory that Degree students do diplomas just to get the degree. A diploma student with 1 year experience is not a liability because of the experience

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> @Paul whats the difference between a Diploma student with working > experience of 1+ years with a Degree student with no experience > > @Gisho IT job > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:40 AM, gisho <gichuhie@gmail.com> wrote: > >> @victor what kind of a job? >> >> -- >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Coz Kenyans apparenlty preffer 10 years experience to Degrees >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:37 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Why is it hard for a Diploma student to get a job? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards >>>> Yegon Victor >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Regards > Yegon Victor > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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@ Victor, I think its cause our HR managers lack interviewing skills and cannot spot talent if its shouting at them across the interview table...:-) They prefer to put filters like Degrees and IT certs. So my advice would be, do the degree, get the certs, then pulll a show me the money Jerry Macguire style...... My two cents. On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Nd'wex Common <flexycat@gmail.com> wrote:

A while back diploma students were preferred over degree holders, first forward to 2007 degrees were preferred over diplomas. My take is while diplomas are good as far the techie stuff is concerned, companies on the other hand should be open minded with regard to absorption of employees, lest i figure there's a conspiracy theory [read mischief].....diploma holders are better than degree holders where delivery is concerned therefore the degree holder seating at the right place [HR] decides its pay back time...... no more techies here

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Nowadays the cv HR`s get it becomes difficult to interview all candidates so Diploma guys become the first to go. Its simply pure and simple On 2 March 2011 15:37, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:

@John hehehehe nice one

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:40 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:

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@ Victor,

I think its cause our HR managers lack interviewing skills and cannot spot talent if its shouting at them across the interview table...:-)

They prefer to put filters like Degrees and IT certs. So my advice would be, do the degree, get the certs, then pulll a show me the money Jerry Macguire style......

My two cents.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Nd'wex Common <flexycat@gmail.com>wrote:

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A while back diploma students were preferred over degree holders, first forward to 2007 degrees were preferred over diplomas. My take is while diplomas are good as far the techie stuff is concerned, companies on the other hand should be open minded with regard to absorption of employees, lest i figure there's a conspiracy theory [read mischief].....diploma holders are better than degree holders where delivery is concerned therefore the degree holder seating at the right place [HR] decides its pay back time...... no more techies here

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They then hire degree holders who are proficient in Facebook and soon start looking for someone to block Facebook.

If you know what you want, go for it and dont let anyone tell u any different. Im seriously thinking a thread about Diploma students and Jobs is taking too long On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Richard Gathogo <muraguri2005@gmail.com>wrote:

Hi all, I don't think it is not always hard for a diploma student to get a job. It depends on how good you are in what you do. I think a degree or masters will not at the end of the day bring any meaning to anyone if you don't deliver as expected. Just be good in what you do. You will get job which maybe some degree or masters holders might not get.

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They then hire degree holders who are proficient in Facebook and soon start looking for someone to block Facebook.

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If you know what you want, go for it and dont let anyone tell u any different. Im seriously thinking a thread about Diploma students and Jobs is taking too long

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@Tim what about the working experience? On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM, <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:

I would think that,its because we follow the 'colonial' style of working and there are sort of 'standards' oriented,which leaves lots of talent out.

My 2 cents.

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