HI Nick, Regarding BSC Modules i'd say all modules have redundancy for all vendors and for an operator to purchase one without would be very foolish of them ......nway having cleared that up in this scenario the Tx link for MSC to BSC failed there is no recovering from that apart from having protected tx link to BSC cheers On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Joe Murithi Njeru <joe.njeru@gmail.com>wrote:
<puke> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Zain outtage?? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:02:50 +0300
@Job, thanks to skunkworks, I can now take part in intelligent conversations with intelligent people talking about intelligent sounding stuff like ADMs, BSCs, MSCs and my ultimate favourite, DTMF! :-) If skunksworks was a person, I would make him my best friend!
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote: Don't you love this list, all the tech stuff is very impressive anyway give Zain a breather. Look at the incumbent in there sector, it has all kinds of issues and Zain gets a rear tech hitch and you are quick to judge. It has the best voice service in kenya.
On 10/6/09, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote: > It's not possible to comprehend the problem unless you understand the > GSM Architecture in the light of what Nick has offered to be correct > and heard the same from another reliable source. All Nairobi and > greater Nairobi all the way to Kajiado is handled by a BSC site in a > building within the CBD and is backhauled to Parkside where the MSC is > located via fiber. > > As part of the transmission design they have Add Drop Multiplexers > (ADMs) which provision STM connections depending on need and > protection to the MSC site or other locations. It's these ADMs that > failed causing the problem. This is would have been the case had it > been a physical fiber break and it reveals need for additional > transmission redundancy or protection as is commonly referred. > > It's not unusual for incidents like this to occur in normal operations > of a GSM network and we should not be very harsh on them. The loss of > business during this window is punishment enough. > > Kiania > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote: >> Roy, >> True that, but all hardware modules in a BSC are totally redundant (either >> 1+1 or N+1 redundancy scheme) including the PCM interface >> boards, providing >> an automatic failover switch capability. This is true for all serious GSM >> equipment vendors. So the services dependent on these modules shouldn't be >> down that long especially for a big GSM provider like Zain and in >> locations >> like the CBD where the number of subscribers is humongous. >> This is all based on a lot of theory and a little bit of observation so my >> conjecture is open to correction. >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Roy Michoma <roymichoma@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> u cant have redundant BSC's >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> My line is also down & i have no bills pending !!! NKT !!!! >>>> >>>> On 10/6/09, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A reliable source tells me that one of their their ADMs "died" Any Zain >>>>> guy to confirm this?And how comes they do not have redundancy on key >>>>> BSC >>>>> components and services? >>>>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> SOLOMON....Surely do you think ZAIN anticipated an outtage at peak hrs >>>>>> and let it take course? Most technical faults are never seen apriori >>>>>> and it is unrealistic for a customer to be warned beforehand unless it >>>>>> is a scheduled maintenance. Dont fry zain,they lost more biz than >>>>>> majority of their subscibers due to that outtage. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 06/10/2009, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an >>>>>> >> impending outage. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. >>>>>> > They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, >>>>>> > though, >>>>>> > which I think is a good thing. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > BR, >>>>>> > S >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> > Other lists >>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>> > Announce: >>>>>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>>> > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>>> > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> Other lists >>>>>> ------------- >>>>>> Announce: >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mwafrika >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> Other lists >>>>> ------------- >>>>> Announce: >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> Other lists >>>> ------------- >>>> Announce: >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> Other lists >>> ------------- >>> Announce: >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> >> >> >> -- >> Mwafrika >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > > > > -- > > [Asentric Consulting Ltd] > > If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no > matter what his birth .... > > -Richest Man in Babylon > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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