Actually @Imelda, you are right, it depends on where you work... everything in this world depends on another thing, doesn't it? A grad will see this as an opportunity to gain experience (it could be a good experience or a bad experience). No argument there. We all need to live, eat n play. Yeah the salary covers that... these are young minds, the brains behind the future innovation of Kenya. This is not just a Kenya problem... Imelda I get lots of college students emailing me to pay me to do their C++ and Assembly assignments for them. Seriously!!! These are simple problems. What happens when these guys hit reality claiming they know C++ or assembly and they charged to build critical systems. Then what? Yet their papers show they got al A's. It happens here a lots where programmers are hired to do a job and are let go coz they just cant hack it. Based on this Ad there is no experience that will be gained here unless the applicant takes up side projects. Here's why... Doing C++ project on linux, the guy needs to be competent with stuff like Make configurations, Linkers, compiler optimizations, Data structures, threading, memory, probably CPU optimizations 32/64bit, address spaces, The list goes on and on... someone with all that already has the experience and would not make sense doing this job to gain experience. In short i can guarantee you that the applicants will never write a single line of code in C++. they sould have asked for python or some other script. Steve Obbayi @Steve depends where you work at the end of the day , well for all the fresh graduates please apply and ignore the arrongance , trust me half of them are earning just slightly more than that (sorry i had to go there ) On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Steve Obbayi < steve@sobbayi.com > wrote: The problem is here employers don't value the work techies do. Simple and clear. That's not the worst part. The wost is that we techies have been infected too and have lost value and pride in ourselves and in our work. Steve Obbayi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Ngure" < brian@pixie.co.ke > To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:56:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] vacancies - 3 linux sys admins There will always be people desperate enough to take those jobs. That is what many employers count on. On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Okechukwu < okechukwu@gmail.com > wrote: I still maintain - that skill set Linux + Programming and you want to pay 25k - you better drop dead coz you will not get. Its high time techies in this industry realize there worth, and @Imelda if you want to do the job at that pay, please go ahead and apply. .../Ok3ch On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Steve Obbayi < steve@sobbayi.com > wrote:
Programming C++? for that amount? Are these guys going to be witting "Hello World!" applications all day? C++ is a VERY BIG and VERY COMPLICATED language. There's a lot that goes into developing a decent C++ program and it can take years of active development to master C++. Yeah theory can be learned in a couple of weeks and a simple app that asks your name and displays it can be built on your first day. That means nothing as far C++ is concerned, so don't start calling yourself a C++ programer just yet.
So sking for a C++ programmer in that age bracket and that amount in this day an age is crazy as this generation has practically no production code experience in C++. If it were PHP, JAVA, C# thats another story but not with C++.
my 2cents
Steve Obbayi
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Njuki" < njukey@gmail.com > To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:59:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] vacancies - 3 linux sys admins
IMO if it is serious work just hire one experienced Linux admin and pay him/her the total sum paid to all the three "rookies" being sought after coz frankly I think with such job adverts that will lead people to eventually undermine Linux admins and what they are actually worth, Look at web design nowadays, you got every quack of tom, dick and harry doing it and charging meagre fees.
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