@Agosta, that's true, its you and I who are the coders. hence my last paragraph where I mention We, our etc. I am also taking responsibility coz the finger pointing starts with me. I have to be an example. The more I code the more I get to know what is bad and why its bad and am obligated to try as much to stick to writing good code once I know what is good. ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 12:08:57 PM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Did Linus really reverse engineer the Unix | Kernel or did he add more innovative features to it? | Steve | Its you and I who code these sites ... thats the problem ... you and | I | Not Open Source vs Closed Source | I have seen IT Gurus attack a site because it was done in .net or not | in ROR ... | Thanks | On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Steve Obbayi < steve@sobbayi.com > | wrote: | | Agosta, I have to disagree with you on some issues and the example | | with these two lines mentioned below is exactly where the problem | | is | | with Kenya ICT.. | | | .... Look, It doesn't matter, no one really cares about your bind, | | dns, php and c#... | | | ..... But at the end of the day clients don't give a rats ass.... | | | Just coz your clients are ignorant, excuse me, but as a responsible | | ICT contractor its your moral duty to give the client the best that | | you have whether they know it or not. | | | This is where the whole security mess that's evident from so many | | Kenyan websites and software system all together. We have devs... | | oops sorry | | | I mean business men opportunists who think its fare game going to | | google and downloading open source software and dishing it out to | | clients to make a quick buck. This is just a get rich quick scheme | | and nothing more. | | | Our devs dont understand how the internals of the open source code | | that they sell to clients really works... well... as long as it | | "works" everybody's happy. Unfortunately it has to take a hacker to | | reveal the true mess. It is unacceptable to has site like KNEC | | being | | run as they are and the likes if Nairobi Uni, Kenyatta Uni. This is | | a shame and its appalling how our IT gurus are content with that. | | | Its time devs here realized just because software seems to work it | | does not mean its safe and secure both on resources and from | | intrusion. Why cant we use criticism on this list to have an idea | | where our weaknesses are and use that to develop ourselves. | | | ----- Original Message ----- | | | | From: "Agosta Liko" < agostal@gmail.com > | | | | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > | | | | Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 8:15:10 AM | | | | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Did Linus really reverse engineer the | | | Unix Kernel or did he add more innovative features to | | | | it? | | | | | | | | Another open source closed source argument ... | | | | | | | | Why can we just get along... Look, It doesn't matter, no one | | | really | | | | cares about your bind, dns, php and c# | | | | | | | | All that matters is does your shit work ? | | | | | | | | I have seen techies feel hot juu they use linux or windows or | | | | macos... | | | | And get into loong arguments .... But at the end of the day | | | clients | | | | don't give a rats ass | | | | | | | | How about we focus on solving day to day problems | | | | | | | | AMA - let's have a talkathon/codeathon/hackathon | | | | | | | | AKI vs Evans | | | | | | | | (I would love to meet Aki in person) | | | | | | | | On 12/2/11, aki < aki275@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | > Thanks @Andrew, over the past few days I've gone to sites that | | | | > present a | | | | > lot of data. I'm actually putting all the players now into a | | | | > timeline so | | | | > that it is much easier to know the gene, how far it travelled, | | | | > trouble in | | | | > paradise, contributors etc. The more I research, the more I | | | > find | | | | > asking | | | | > myself : where did we miss out? Is it because there was no Bell | | | | > Company in | | | | > Kenya? And what if we had the chance, what would motivate us? | | | | > | | | | > Rgds. | | | | > | | | | > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Andrew Wafula < | | | > awafula@gmail.com | | | > > | | | | > wrote: | | | | > | | | | >> Here is a story of the strange birth of UNIX - | | | | >> http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-strange-birth-and-long-life-... | | | | >> * | | | | >> * | | | | >> | | | | > | | | | | | | | -- | | | | Sent from my mobile device | | | | _______________________________________________ | | | | Skunkworks mailing list | | | | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | | | | ------------ | | | | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | | | | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | | | | ------------ | | | | | | | | Skunkworks Rules | | | | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | | | | ------------ | | | | Other services @ http://my.co.ke | | | | | | | _______________________________________________ | | | Skunkworks mailing list | | | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | | | ------------ | | | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | | | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | | | ------------ | | | Skunkworks Rules | | | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | | | ------------ | | | Other services @ http://my.co..ke | | _______________________________________________ | Skunkworks mailing list | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | ------------ | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | ------------ | Skunkworks Rules | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | ------------ | Other services @ http://my.co.ke