From: "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com>
To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 12:08:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Did Linus really reverse engineer the Unix Kernel or did he add more innovative features to it?

Steve

Its you and I who code these sites ... thats the problem ... you and I

Not Open Source vs Closed Source

I have seen IT Gurus attack a site because it was done in .net or not in ROR ...

Thanks

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

Agosta, I have to disagree with you on some issues and the example with these two lines mentioned below is exactly where the problem is with Kenya ICT..

.... Look, It doesn't matter, no one really cares about your bind, dns, php and c#...

..... But at the end of the day clients don't give a rats ass....

Just coz your clients are ignorant, excuse me, but as a responsible ICT contractor its your moral duty to give the client the best that you have whether they know it or not.

This is where the whole security mess that's evident from so many Kenyan websites and software system all together. We have devs... oops sorry
I mean business men opportunists who think its fare game going to google and downloading open source software and dishing it out to clients to make a quick buck. This is just a get rich quick scheme and nothing more.

Our devs dont understand how the internals of the open source code that they sell to clients really works... well... as long as it "works" everybody's happy. Unfortunately it has to take a hacker to reveal the true mess. It is unacceptable to has site like KNEC being run as they are and the likes if Nairobi Uni, Kenyatta Uni. This is a shame and its appalling how our IT gurus are content with that.

Its time devs here realized just because software seems to work it does not mean its safe and secure both on resources and from intrusion. Why cant we use criticism on this list to have an idea where our weaknesses are and use that to develop ourselves.

----- Original Message -----
| From: "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com>
| To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>

| Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 8:15:10 AM
| Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Did Linus really reverse engineer the Unix Kernel or did he add more innovative features to
| it?
|
| Another open source closed source argument ...
|
| Why can we just get along... Look, It doesn't matter, no one really
| cares about your bind, dns, php and c#
|
| All that matters is does your shit work ?
|
| I have seen techies feel hot juu they use linux or windows or
| macos...
| And get into loong arguments .... But at the end of the day clients
| don't give a rats ass
|
| How about we focus on solving day to day problems
|
| AMA - let's have a talkathon/codeathon/hackathon
|
| AKI vs Evans
|
| (I would love to meet Aki in person)
|
| On 12/2/11, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
| > Thanks @Andrew, over the past few days I've gone to sites that
| > present a
| > lot of data. I'm actually putting all the players now into a
| > timeline so
| > that it is much easier to know the gene, how far it travelled,
| > trouble in
| > paradise, contributors etc. The more I research, the more I find
| > asking
| > myself : where did we miss out? Is it because there was no Bell
| > Company in
| > Kenya? And what if we had the chance, what would motivate us?
| >
| > Rgds.
| >
| > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com>
| > wrote:
| >
| >> Here is a story of the strange birth of UNIX -
| >> http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-strange-birth-and-long-life-of-unix/0
| >> *
| >> *
| >>
| >
|
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