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Interesting read, we discussed similar issues at the Kenya IGF. Best Regards ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dumba Nicholas <nicholas.dkatumba@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM Subject: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org> Just in case you might be interested. http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac... Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National Facebook has revealed that the government of Uganda is among the 74 countries that requested for user account information of some of its citizens on social media platform in the first six months of 2013. The requests are made under the dockets of national security and criminal investigations by governments. In its first release of the Global Government Requests Report, Facebook’s general Counsel, Mr Colin Stretch noted that the release of the report is aimed at helping the on-going global debate about proper standards for governments around the world to access user information. The list put out by Facebook shows Uganda was among the five African governments that requested for user information to conduct official investigations. However, Facebook declined to disclose the data of the users that government had requested for. Five African countries made the list with South Africa leading at 14 requests. Egypt has 8, Ivory Coast 4, Botswana 3, while Uganda had one request. Facebook has a stringent legal process for governments to access user data which involves detailed information of a legal basis and factual evidence for each request. The report comes just months after Security Minister Muruli Mukasa revealed that government was in the final stages of setting up a social media monitoring unit to follow social media discussions and weed out people damaging the reputation of government and its officials. But Mr Ofwono Opondo, the director of the government Media Centre, the information was requested to facilitate the Uganda Police investigate cybercrime. “The intersection warrant in the Communications Act 2010, gives Police through government, powers to apply for information from any organisation including international communication agencies such as Facebook to aid it in investigating crimes such as money laundering and threats,” Mr Opondo said. Other countries mentioned by the release were United States that topped the list of countries requesting for over 12,000 Facebook user accounts information. Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac... -- Regards, ____________________________________________________________________________ *Nicholas Ddumba Katumba** P.O. Box 22249, Kampala - Uganda; Tel: +256 712 212109, +256 756 212109, +256 776 210975 Facebook: Nicholas Ddumba Katumba; Skype: nick-d-k; LinkedIn: Nicholas Ddumba Katumba Blog: http://ddumba.wordpress.com; Twitter: NDKatumba*; *Google+:* *Nicolas Dumba Katumba* Read the mailing list rules - http://www.i-network.or.ug/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=189&... Visit the I-Network website - www.i-network.or.ug Follow I-Network on Twitter: http://twitter.com/inetwork The I-Network Dgroup is a platform for ICT Knowledge Sharing --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit [web site]( http://dgroups.org/iicd/i-network/ ) Click [here]( mailto:leave.i-network@dgroups.org ) to unsubscribe The email is intended only for the recipients. The owners of the Dgroups cannot be held responsible for the contents of the email message. You are receiving this message because you are a member of the community I-Network Uganda <https://dgroups.org/iicd/i-network>. A reply to this message will be sent to all members of I-Network Uganda. Reply to sender <nicholas.dkatumba@gmail.com> | Unsubscribe<leave.i-network@dgroups.org> -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
How about this? http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-paying-us-companies-... Regards, [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos] On Aug 30, 2013 11:32 AM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting read, we discussed similar issues at the Kenya IGF.
Best Regards
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Just in case you might be interested.
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National
Facebook has revealed that the government of Uganda is among the 74 countries that requested for user account information of some of its citizens on social media platform in the first six months of 2013.
The requests are made under the dockets of national security and criminal investigations by governments.
In its first release of the Global Government Requests Report, Facebook’s general Counsel, Mr Colin Stretch noted that the release of the report is aimed at helping the on-going global debate about proper standards for governments around the world to access user information.
The list put out by Facebook shows Uganda was among the five African governments that requested for user information to conduct official investigations.
However, Facebook declined to disclose the data of the users that government had requested for.
Five African countries made the list with South Africa leading at 14 requests. Egypt has 8, Ivory Coast 4, Botswana 3, while Uganda had one request.
Facebook has a stringent legal process for governments to access user data which involves detailed information of a legal basis and factual evidence for each request.
The report comes just months after Security Minister Muruli Mukasa revealed that government was in the final stages of setting up a social media monitoring unit to follow social media discussions and weed out people damaging the reputation of government and its officials.
But Mr Ofwono Opondo, the director of the government Media Centre, the information was requested to facilitate the Uganda Police investigate cybercrime.
“The intersection warrant in the Communications Act 2010, gives Police through government, powers to apply for information from any organisation including international communication agencies such as Facebook to aid it in investigating crimes such as money laundering and threats,” Mr Opondo said.
Other countries mentioned by the release were United States that topped the list of countries requesting for over 12,000 Facebook user accounts information. Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
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____________________________________________________________________________ *Nicholas Ddumba Katumba** P.O. Box 22249, Kampala - Uganda; Tel: +256 712 212109, +256 756 212109, +256 776 210975 Facebook: Nicholas Ddumba Katumba; Skype: nick-d-k; LinkedIn: Nicholas Ddumba Katumba Blog: http://ddumba.wordpress.com; Twitter: NDKatumba*; *Google+:* *Nicolas Dumba Katumba*
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Let be very honest with our selfs. There is no data privacy. We are often than note made to believe that our data is secure when we sign contracts after reading and agreeing to terms, what we forget most iften the terms dictate that the (data handler) will not knowingly divert data to un authorised individuals , but i ask do we agree that there are authorised individuals in an organisation who live amoung us that have access to our data and they have a lee way to it ? Ask me you want your data to be private ? Dont upload it. Same case with a secret we take them with us. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
How about this?
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-paying-us-companies-...
Regards,
[Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos]
On Aug 30, 2013 11:32 AM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting read, we discussed similar issues at the Kenya IGF.
Best Regards
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dumba Nicholas <nicholas.dkatumba@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM Subject: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
Just in case you might be interested.
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National
Facebook has revealed that the government of Uganda is among the 74 countries that requested for user account information of some of its citizens on social media platform in the first six months of 2013.
The requests are made under the dockets of national security and criminal investigations by governments.
In its first release of the Global Government Requests Report, Facebook’s general Counsel, Mr Colin Stretch noted that the release of the report is aimed at helping the on-going global debate about proper standards for governments around the world to access user information.
The list put out by Facebook shows Uganda was among the five African governments that requested for user information to conduct official investigations.
However, Facebook declined to disclose the data of the users that government had requested for.
Five African countries made the list with South Africa leading at 14 requests. Egypt has 8, Ivory Coast 4, Botswana 3, while Uganda had one request.
Facebook has a stringent legal process for governments to access user data which involves detailed information of a legal basis and factual evidence for each request.
The report comes just months after Security Minister Muruli Mukasa revealed that government was in the final stages of setting up a social media monitoring unit to follow social media discussions and weed out people damaging the reputation of government and its officials.
But Mr Ofwono Opondo, the director of the government Media Centre, the information was requested to facilitate the Uganda Police investigate cybercrime.
“The intersection warrant in the Communications Act 2010, gives Police through government, powers to apply for information from any organisation including international communication agencies such as Facebook to aid it in investigating crimes such as money laundering and threats,” Mr Opondo said.
Other countries mentioned by the release were United States that topped the list of countries requesting for over 12,000 Facebook user accounts information.
Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
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Dear all, Issues about privacy online (and offline) and who really 'owns' your data will be dealt with better when the Data Protection and Freedom of Information bills are enacted into law.As for now, we are really exposed bearing in mind that you cannot do much without the law being on your side! To keep your data safe: dont browse the Net, own and use a mobile phone.... basically not possible, we need protection and enforcement! Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia 'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd ________________________________ From: Kelvin Githira <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@orion.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fwd: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug Let be very honest with our selfs. There is no data privacy. We are often than note made to believe that our data is secure when we sign contracts after reading and agreeing to terms, what we forget most iften the terms dictate that the (data handler) will not knowingly divert data to un authorised individuals , but i ask do we agree that there are authorised individuals in an organisation who live amoung us that have access to our data and they have a lee way to it ? Ask me you want your data to be private ? Dont upload it. Same case with a secret we take them with us. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote: How about this?
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-paying-us-companies-... Regards, [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos] On Aug 30, 2013 11:32 AM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting read, we discussed similar issues at the Kenya IGF.
Best Regards
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dumba Nicholas <nicholas.dkatumba@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM Subject: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
Just in case you might be interested.
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National Facebook has revealed that the government of Uganda is among the 74 countries that requested for user account information of some of its citizens on social media platform in the first six months of 2013. The requests are made under the dockets of national security and criminal investigations by governments. In its first release of the Global Government Requests Report, Facebook’s general Counsel, Mr Colin Stretch noted that the release of the report is aimed at helping the on-going global debate about proper standards for governments around the world to access user information. The list put out by Facebook shows Uganda was among the five African governments that requested for user information to conduct official investigations. However, Facebook declined to disclose the data of the users that government had requested for. Five African countries made the list with South Africa leading at 14 requests. Egypt has 8, Ivory Coast 4, Botswana 3, while Uganda had one request. Facebook has a stringent legal process for governments to access user data which involves detailed information of a legal basis and factual evidence for each request. The report comes just months after Security Minister Muruli Mukasa revealed that government was in the final stages of setting up a social media monitoring unit to follow social media discussions and weed out people damaging the reputation of government and its officials. But Mr Ofwono Opondo, the director of the government Media Centre, the information was requested to facilitate the Uganda Police investigate cybercrime. “The intersection warrant in the Communications Act 2010, gives Police through government, powers to apply for information from any organisation including international communication agencies such as Facebook to aid it in investigating crimes such as money laundering and threats,” Mr Opondo said. Other countries mentioned by the release were United States that topped the list of countries requesting for over 12,000 Facebook user accounts information. Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
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On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote: Issues about privacy online (and offline) and who really 'owns' your data
will be dealt with better when the Data Protection and Freedom of Information bills are enacted into law.As for now, we are really exposed bearing in mind that you cannot do much without the law being on your side!
Traditional escapism and diversionary logic – when cannot deal with giant monster realities out there, just slap own-self in the face and you'll forget about it.
To keep your data safe: dont browse the Net, own and use a mobile phone.... basically not possible, we need protection and enforcement!
Because there are so many road accidents, suggest we should also avoid crossing the roads, boarding or vehicles? Only walk and avoid shelter from trees – but lighting could strike and cause harm. Should remain indoors...but wait a minute, an earthquake could split the ground open and the the house sinks. Life is so dangerous no-one should be living?
*From:* Kelvin Githira <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> *To:* Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> *Cc:* "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Friday, August 30, 2013 10:26 PM *Subject:* Re: [ISOC_KE] Fwd: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
Let be very honest with our selfs. There is no data privacy.
We are often than note made to believe that our data is secure when we sign contracts after reading and agreeing to terms, what we forget most iften the terms dictate that the (data handler) will not knowingly divert data to un authorised individuals , but i ask do we agree that there are authorised individuals in an organisation who live amoung us that have access to our data and they have a lee way to it ?
Ask me you want your data to be private ? Dont upload it.
Same case with a secret we take them with us.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
How about this?
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-paying-us-companies-... Regards, [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos] On Aug 30, 2013 11:32 AM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting read, we discussed similar issues at the Kenya IGF.
Best Regards
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Dumba Nicholas* <nicholas.dkatumba@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM Subject: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
Just in case you might be interested.
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National Facebook has revealed that the government of Uganda is among the 74 countries that requested for user account information of some of its citizens on social media platform in the first six months of 2013. The requests are made under the dockets of national security and criminal investigations by governments. In its first release of the Global Government Requests Report, Facebook’s general Counsel, Mr Colin Stretch noted that the release of the report is aimed at helping the on-going global debate about proper standards for governments around the world to access user information. The list put out by Facebook shows Uganda was among the five African governments that requested for user information to conduct official investigations. However, Facebook declined to disclose the data of the users that government had requested for. Five African countries made the list with South Africa leading at 14 requests. Egypt has 8, Ivory Coast 4, Botswana 3, while Uganda had one request. Facebook has a stringent legal process for governments to access user data which involves detailed information of a legal basis and factual evidence for each request. The report comes just months after Security Minister Muruli Mukasa revealed that government was in the final stages of setting up a social media monitoring unit to follow social media discussions and weed out people damaging the reputation of government and its officials. But Mr Ofwono Opondo, the director of the government Media Centre, the information was requested to facilitate the Uganda Police investigate cybercrime. “The intersection warrant in the Communications Act 2010, gives Police through government, powers to apply for information from any organisation including international communication agencies such as Facebook to aid it in investigating crimes such as money laundering and threats,” Mr Opondo said. Other countries mentioned by the release were United States that topped the list of countries requesting for over 12,000 Facebook user accounts information. Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
-- Regards,
____________________________________________________________________________ *Nicholas Ddumba Katumba** P.O. Box 22249, Kampala - Uganda; Tel: +256 712 212109, +256 756 212109, +256 776 210975 Facebook: Nicholas Ddumba Katumba; Skype: nick-d-k; LinkedIn: Nicholas Ddumba Katumba Blog: http://ddumba.wordpress.com; Twitter: NDKatumba*; *Google+:* *Nicolas Dumba Katumba*
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Hello, Below 2007 conversation forward may be of interest. regards, Alex ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: JFC Morfin <jefsey@jefsey.com> Date: Fri, Aug 3, 2007 at 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [isoc-members-discuss] Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act amendments To: Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>, Jonathan Robin <jonathanrobin@yahoo.com>, isoc-members-discuss@elists.isoc.org Dear Adam, in intelligence gathering the actual content of transactions is of low interest - it may call for important efforts to be understood at very low results. What is far more important is who has contacted/connected who. Also patterns and patterns changes in traffics. Mail can give micro information on people and information on who contacts who, who is contacted by who, etc. The root archives contains a lot of very precise informations (you can change a mail name, less likely a site name) with a stable flow and stables references (the noise which probably peaks at least at 97.5%). This is the reason why the USA make the world believe the root server system is important. The cost of running a root server is high. What are the motivations of those doing it? Specially the US Gov ones? Strange that no tax-payer ever asked. Disclosing about the mail is not disclosing. Disclosing about root is still considered as far more confidential and far more important. However, detailed reports on root related intelligence leaks is one of the first trigger which helped politics to understand the importance of the on-going digital warfare. Long before Rumsfeld's road map derestricted publication. Questions: - who pays the USG root servers budget? - why has no Congressman investigated that public expense? - what would really happen to the Internet should the root server system stopped for ever at this very instant? - what would happen to the Internet and to the world would the root file be supported no more by ICANN? - IAB has published RFC 3869 to call the attention of the USG on the need to fund Intenet R&D. Why multilingualisation is not mentionned, which calls for a presentation layer (the reason why IDNs are a poblem), but would permit to run the Internet under scores of different roots? - EITF/IAB have released a summary of the ROAP (Routing and Addressing Problem) listing the priorities for a new routing and addressing solution. Why "routing path decided by the individual sender" is not even listed? I am afraid that the solution at hand is for ISPs to propose a non-US-through value added routing service, resolving on non-US root servers. I proposed this to be studied as a regalia service. We tested (as part of the dot-root project). And started the AFRAC project which is at the rot of the multilingual distributed referential system, to replace the unilateral IANA and Yankee Google, by a multilateral virtual infrastructure. Terrorism is a good alibi to spy on privacy, policy, e-commerce, economy, industry. jfc At 20:10 03/08/2007, Adam Peake wrote:
At 6:56 AM -0700 8/3/07, Jonathan Robin wrote:
today's article in the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2 007080202619.html?hpid=topnews explicitly confirms for the first time the information gathering aspects of the U.S. Government agencies in respect of root servers
Robin, I don't understand your reference to root servers. The article mentions email passing through "communications nodes", wouldn't these be just telco owned facilities (perhaps the answer is don't peer with AT&T :-) My limited technical knowledge, but I was under the impression the root server system wasn't a lot of use for interception email traffic... Happy to learn more.
Adam
should ISOC members seek a consensus response to individual governmental overview in respect of both privacy implications and also taking into consideration the possibility of ways individual nations' network surveillance - China no comment inter alia - could compromise the integrity of what remains of yesterday's Internet ?
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On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com>wrote:
Issues about privacy online (and offline) and who really 'owns' your data
will be dealt with better when the Data Protection and Freedom of Information bills are enacted into law.As for now, we are really exposed bearing in mind that you cannot do much without the law being on your side!
Traditional escapism and diversionary logic – when cannot deal with giant monster realities out there, just slap own-self in the face and you'll forget about it.
To keep your data safe: dont browse the Net, own and use a mobile phone.... basically not possible, we need protection and enforcement!
Because there are so many road accidents, suggest we should also avoid crossing the roads, boarding or vehicles? Only walk and avoid shelter from trees – but lighting could strike and cause harm. Should remain indoors...but wait a minute, an earthquake could split the ground open and the the house sinks. Life is so dangerous no-one should be living?
*From:* Kelvin Githira <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> *To:* Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> *Cc:* "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Friday, August 30, 2013 10:26 PM *Subject:* Re: [ISOC_KE] Fwd: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
Let be very honest with our selfs. There is no data privacy.
We are often than note made to believe that our data is secure when we sign contracts after reading and agreeing to terms, what we forget most iften the terms dictate that the (data handler) will not knowingly divert data to un authorised individuals , but i ask do we agree that there are authorised individuals in an organisation who live amoung us that have access to our data and they have a lee way to it ?
Ask me you want your data to be private ? Dont upload it.
Same case with a secret we take them with us.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
How about this?
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-paying-us-companies-... Regards, [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos] On Aug 30, 2013 11:32 AM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting read, we discussed similar issues at the Kenya IGF.
Best Regards
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Dumba Nicholas* <nicholas.dkatumba@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM Subject: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
Just in case you might be interested.
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National Facebook has revealed that the government of Uganda is among the 74 countries that requested for user account information of some of its citizens on social media platform in the first six months of 2013. The requests are made under the dockets of national security and criminal investigations by governments. In its first release of the Global Government Requests Report, Facebook’s general Counsel, Mr Colin Stretch noted that the release of the report is aimed at helping the on-going global debate about proper standards for governments around the world to access user information. The list put out by Facebook shows Uganda was among the five African governments that requested for user information to conduct official investigations. However, Facebook declined to disclose the data of the users that government had requested for. Five African countries made the list with South Africa leading at 14 requests. Egypt has 8, Ivory Coast 4, Botswana 3, while Uganda had one request. Facebook has a stringent legal process for governments to access user data which involves detailed information of a legal basis and factual evidence for each request. The report comes just months after Security Minister Muruli Mukasa revealed that government was in the final stages of setting up a social media monitoring unit to follow social media discussions and weed out people damaging the reputation of government and its officials. But Mr Ofwono Opondo, the director of the government Media Centre, the information was requested to facilitate the Uganda Police investigate cybercrime. “The intersection warrant in the Communications Act 2010, gives Police through government, powers to apply for information from any organisation including international communication agencies such as Facebook to aid it in investigating crimes such as money laundering and threats,” Mr Opondo said. Other countries mentioned by the release were United States that topped the list of countries requesting for over 12,000 Facebook user accounts information. Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
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Alex, On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Below 2007 conversation forward may be of interest.
too bad jefsey's email is full of misinformation. comments inline.
regards,
Alex
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: JFC Morfin <jefsey@jefsey.com> Date: Fri, Aug 3, 2007 at 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [isoc-members-discuss] Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act amendments To: Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>, Jonathan Robin <jonathanrobin@yahoo.com>, isoc-members-discuss@elists.isoc.org
Dear Adam, in intelligence gathering the actual content of transactions is of low interest - it may call for important efforts to be understood at very low results. What is far more important is who has contacted/connected who. Also patterns and patterns changes in traffics. Mail can give micro information on people and information on who contacts who, who is contacted by who, etc. The root archives contains a lot of very precise informations (you can change a mail name, less likely a site name) with a stable flow and stables references (the noise which probably peaks at least at 97.5%).
emails don't go through root servers, only DNS requests for the root do.
This is the reason why the USA make the world believe the root server system is important.
The USA has never done this..at WSIS and after, it is other countries who focus on the root.
The cost of running a root server is high.
This is relative. Depends if you are anycasting or just run a single server. Cost is then some power, some staff time (not much) and of course a box and connectivity. What
are the motivations of those doing it?
I have worked for 2 root-servers, their motivation is good Internet citizenship.
Questions: - who pays the USG root servers budget?
NASA pays for one, the Department of Defense budget pays for another. The costs to run a root-server for these orgs is a small fraction of 1% of their budget. Ultimately it is US taxpayers who pay for these services.
- why has no Congressman investigated that public expense?
Because it is far less than his/her office budget!!??
- what would really happen to the Internet should the root server system stopped for ever at this very instant?
The DNS would still work on cached data, but it is unlikely to "stop forever" at this moment.
- what would happen to the Internet and to the world would the root file be supported no more by ICANN?
I don't understand this one. Verisign is the root-admin. IANA makes changes to the file as and when needed.
- EITF/IAB have released a summary of the ROAP (Routing and Addressing Problem) listing the priorities for a new routing and addressing solution. Why "routing path decided by the individual sender" is not even listed?
because it is impractical? If this was something ppl wanted, then their provider would have to have contracts/peering arrangements with EVERY provider in the world to make this happen.
I am afraid that the solution at hand is for ISPs to propose a non-US-through value added routing service, resolving on non-US root servers. I proposed this to be studied as a regalia service. We tested (as part of the dot-root project). And started the AFRAC project which is at the rot of the multilingual distributed referential system, to replace the unilateral IANA and Yankee Google, by a multilateral virtual infrastructure.
This is Internet Balkanisation. Something ISOC is working hard to prevent.
Terrorism is a good alibi to spy on privacy, policy, e-commerce, economy, industry.
He is right about that!! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
jfc
At 20:10 03/08/2007, Adam Peake wrote:
At 6:56 AM -0700 8/3/07, Jonathan Robin wrote:
today's article in the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2 007080202619.html?hpid=topnews explicitly confirms for the first time the information gathering aspects of the U.S. Government agencies in respect of root servers
Robin, I don't understand your reference to root servers. The article mentions email passing through "communications nodes", wouldn't these be just telco owned facilities (perhaps the answer is don't peer with AT&T :-) My limited technical knowledge, but I was under the impression the root server system wasn't a lot of use for interception email traffic... Happy to learn more.
Adam
should ISOC members seek a consensus response to individual governmental overview in respect of both privacy implications and also taking into consideration the possibility of ways individual nations' network surveillance - China no comment inter alia - could compromise the integrity of what remains of yesterday's Internet ?
Best Regards
Jonathan Robin
Life : A finite succession of infinite opportunities
Internet Governance Profile http://www.icdri.org/JR.htm
UNESCO UNITAR Scientific Committee Advisory Board International Center for Disability Resources on the Internet
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On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Issues about privacy online (and offline) and who really 'owns' your data will be dealt with better when the Data Protection and Freedom of Information bills are enacted into law.As for now, we are really exposed bearing in mind that you cannot do much without the law being on your side!
Traditional escapism and diversionary logic – when cannot deal with giant monster realities out there, just slap own-self in the face and you'll forget about it.
To keep your data safe: dont browse the Net, own and use a mobile phone.... basically not possible, we need protection and enforcement!
Because there are so many road accidents, suggest we should also avoid crossing the roads, boarding or vehicles? Only walk and avoid shelter from trees – but lighting could strike and cause harm. Should remain indoors...but wait a minute, an earthquake could split the ground open and the the house sinks. Life is so dangerous no-one should be living?
From: Kelvin Githira <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fwd: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
Let be very honest with our selfs. There is no data privacy.
We are often than note made to believe that our data is secure when we sign contracts after reading and agreeing to terms, what we forget most iften the terms dictate that the (data handler) will not knowingly divert data to un authorised individuals , but i ask do we agree that there are authorised individuals in an organisation who live amoung us that have access to our data and they have a lee way to it ?
Ask me you want your data to be private ? Dont upload it.
Same case with a secret we take them with us.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
How about this?
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-paying-us-companies-... Regards, [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos] On Aug 30, 2013 11:32 AM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting read, we discussed similar issues at the Kenya IGF.
Best Regards
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dumba Nicholas <nicholas.dkatumba@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM Subject: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
Just in case you might be interested.
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National
Facebook has revealed that the government of Uganda is among the 74 countries that requested for user account information of some of its citizens on social media platform in the first six months of 2013. The requests are made under the dockets of national security and criminal investigations by governments. In its first release of the Global Government Requests Report, Facebook’s general Counsel, Mr Colin Stretch noted that the release of the report is aimed at helping the on-going global debate about proper standards for governments around the world to access user information. The list put out by Facebook shows Uganda was among the five African governments that requested for user information to conduct official investigations. However, Facebook declined to disclose the data of the users that government had requested for. Five African countries made the list with South Africa leading at 14 requests. Egypt has 8, Ivory Coast 4, Botswana 3, while Uganda had one request. Facebook has a stringent legal process for governments to access user data which involves detailed information of a legal basis and factual evidence for each request. The report comes just months after Security Minister Muruli Mukasa revealed that government was in the final stages of setting up a social media monitoring unit to follow social media discussions and weed out people damaging the reputation of government and its officials. But Mr Ofwono Opondo, the director of the government Media Centre, the information was requested to facilitate the Uganda Police investigate cybercrime. “The intersection warrant in the Communications Act 2010, gives Police through government, powers to apply for information from any organisation including international communication agencies such as Facebook to aid it in investigating crimes such as money laundering and threats,” Mr Opondo said. Other countries mentioned by the release were United States that topped the list of countries requesting for over 12,000 Facebook user accounts information. Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
-- Regards,
____________________________________________________________________________ Nicholas Ddumba Katumba P.O. Box 22249, Kampala - Uganda; Tel: +256 712 212109, +256 756 212109, +256 776 210975 Facebook: Nicholas Ddumba Katumba; Skype: nick-d-k; LinkedIn: Nicholas Ddumba Katumba Blog: http://ddumba.wordpress.com; Twitter: NDKatumba; Google+: Nicolas Dumba Katumba
It was his email, so have put him on copy. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex,
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Below 2007 conversation forward may be of interest.
too bad jefsey's email is full of misinformation.
comments inline.
regards,
Alex
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: JFC Morfin <jefsey@jefsey.com> Date: Fri, Aug 3, 2007 at 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [isoc-members-discuss] Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act amendments To: Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>, Jonathan Robin <
jonathanrobin@yahoo.com>,
isoc-members-discuss@elists.isoc.org
Dear Adam, in intelligence gathering the actual content of transactions is of low interest - it may call for important efforts to be understood at very low results. What is far more important is who has contacted/connected who. Also patterns and patterns changes in traffics. Mail can give micro information on people and information on who contacts who, who is contacted by who, etc. The root archives contains a lot of very precise informations (you can change a mail name, less likely a site name) with a stable flow and stables references (the noise which probably peaks at least at 97.5%).
emails don't go through root servers, only DNS requests for the root do.
This is the reason why the USA make the world believe the root server system is important.
The USA has never done this..at WSIS and after, it is other countries who focus on the root.
The cost of running a root server is high.
This is relative. Depends if you are anycasting or just run a single server. Cost is then some power, some staff time (not much) and of course a box and connectivity.
What
are the motivations of those doing it?
I have worked for 2 root-servers, their motivation is good Internet citizenship.
Questions: - who pays the USG root servers budget?
NASA pays for one, the Department of Defense budget pays for another.
The costs to run a root-server for these orgs is a small fraction of 1% of their budget. Ultimately it is US taxpayers who pay for these services.
- why has no Congressman investigated that public expense?
Because it is far less than his/her office budget!!??
- what would really happen to the Internet should the root server system stopped for ever at this very instant?
The DNS would still work on cached data, but it is unlikely to "stop forever" at this moment.
- what would happen to the Internet and to the world would the root file be supported no more by ICANN?
I don't understand this one. Verisign is the root-admin. IANA makes changes to the file as and when needed.
- EITF/IAB have released a summary of the ROAP (Routing and Addressing Problem) listing the priorities for a new routing and addressing solution. Why "routing path decided by the individual sender" is not even listed?
because it is impractical? If this was something ppl wanted, then their provider would have to have contracts/peering arrangements with EVERY provider in the world to make this happen.
I am afraid that the solution at hand is for ISPs to propose a non-US-through value added routing service, resolving on non-US root servers. I proposed this to be studied as a regalia service. We tested (as part of the dot-root project). And started the AFRAC project which is at the rot of the multilingual distributed referential system, to replace the unilateral IANA and Yankee Google, by a multilateral virtual infrastructure.
This is Internet Balkanisation. Something ISOC is working hard to prevent.
Terrorism is a good alibi to spy on privacy, policy, e-commerce, economy, industry.
He is right about that!!
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
jfc
At 20:10 03/08/2007, Adam Peake wrote:
At 6:56 AM -0700 8/3/07, Jonathan Robin wrote:
today's article in the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2 007080202619.html?hpid=topnews explicitly confirms for the first time the information gathering aspects of the U.S. Government agencies in respect of root servers
Robin, I don't understand your reference to root servers. The article mentions email passing through "communications nodes", wouldn't these be just telco owned facilities (perhaps the answer is don't peer with AT&T :-) My limited technical knowledge, but I was under the impression the root server system wasn't a lot of use for interception email traffic... Happy to learn more.
Adam
should ISOC members seek a consensus response to individual governmental overview in respect of both privacy implications and also taking into consideration the possibility of ways individual nations' network surveillance - China no comment inter alia - could compromise the integrity of what remains of yesterday's Internet ?
Best Regards
Jonathan Robin
Life : A finite succession of infinite opportunities
Internet Governance Profile http://www.icdri.org/JR.htm
UNESCO UNITAR Scientific Committee Advisory Board International Center for Disability Resources on the Internet
--------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. _______________________________________________ ISOC-members-discuss mailing list ISOC-members-discuss@elists.isoc.org http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/isoc-members-discuss
_______________________________________________ ISOC-members-discuss mailing list ISOC-members-discuss@elists.isoc.org http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/isoc-members-discuss
_______________________________________________ ISOC-members-discuss mailing list ISOC-members-discuss@elists.isoc.org http://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/isoc-members-discuss
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Issues about privacy online (and offline) and who really 'owns' your
data
will be dealt with better when the Data Protection and Freedom of Information bills are enacted into law.As for now, we are really exposed bearing in mind that you cannot do much without the law being on your side!
Traditional escapism and diversionary logic – when cannot deal with giant monster realities out there, just slap own-self in the face and you'll forget about it.
To keep your data safe: dont browse the Net, own and use a mobile phone.... basically not possible, we need protection and enforcement!
Because there are so many road accidents, suggest we should also avoid crossing the roads, boarding or vehicles? Only walk and avoid shelter from trees – but lighting could strike and cause harm. Should remain indoors...but wait a minute, an earthquake could split the ground open and the the house sinks. Life is so dangerous no-one should be living?
From: Kelvin Githira <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fwd: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
Let be very honest with our selfs. There is no data privacy.
We are often than note made to believe that our data is secure when we sign contracts after reading and agreeing to terms, what we forget most iften the terms dictate that the (data handler) will not knowingly
divert
data to un authorised individuals , but i ask do we agree that there are authorised individuals in an organisation who live amoung us that have access to our data and they have a lee way to it ?
Ask me you want your data to be private ? Dont upload it.
Same case with a secret we take them with us.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
How about this?
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-paying-us-companies-...
Regards, [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos] On Aug 30, 2013 11:32 AM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting read, we discussed similar issues at the Kenya IGF.
Best Regards
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dumba Nicholas <nicholas.dkatumba@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM Subject: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
Just in case you might be interested.
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National
Facebook has revealed that the government of Uganda is among the 74 countries that requested for user account information of some of its citizens on social media platform in the first six months of 2013. The requests are made under the dockets of national security and criminal investigations by governments. In its first release of the Global Government Requests Report, Facebook’s general Counsel, Mr Colin Stretch noted that the release of
the
report is aimed at helping the on-going global debate about proper standards for governments around the world to access user information. The list put out by Facebook shows Uganda was among the five African governments that requested for user information to conduct official investigations. However, Facebook declined to disclose the data of the users that government had requested for. Five African countries made the list with South Africa leading at 14 requests. Egypt has 8, Ivory Coast 4, Botswana 3, while Uganda had one request. Facebook has a stringent legal process for governments to access user data which involves detailed information of a legal basis and factual evidence for each request. The report comes just months after Security Minister Muruli Mukasa revealed that government was in the final stages of setting up a social media monitoring unit to follow social media discussions and weed out people damaging the reputation of government and its officials. But Mr Ofwono Opondo, the director of the government Media Centre, the information was requested to facilitate the Uganda Police investigate cybercrime. “The intersection warrant in the Communications Act 2010, gives Police through government, powers to apply for information from any organisation including international communication agencies such as Facebook to aid it in investigating crimes such as money laundering and threats,” Mr Opondo said. Other countries mentioned by the release were United States that topped the list of countries requesting for over 12,000 Facebook user accounts information. Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
-- Regards,
Nicholas Ddumba Katumba P.O. Box 22249, Kampala - Uganda; Tel: +256 712 212109, +256 756 212109, +256 776 210975 Facebook: Nicholas Ddumba Katumba; Skype: nick-d-k; LinkedIn: Nicholas Ddumba Katumba Blog: http://ddumba.wordpress.com; Twitter: NDKatumba; Google+: Nicolas Dumba Katumba
Very insightfull Alex and Mctim On Sep 3, 2013 5:27 PM, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
It was his email, so have put him on copy.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex,
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Below 2007 conversation forward may be of interest.
too bad jefsey's email is full of misinformation.
comments inline.
regards,
Alex
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: JFC Morfin <jefsey@jefsey.com> Date: Fri, Aug 3, 2007 at 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [isoc-members-discuss] Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Act
amendments To: Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>, Jonathan Robin < jonathanrobin@yahoo.com>, isoc-members-discuss@elists.isoc.org
Dear Adam, in intelligence gathering the actual content of transactions is of low interest - it may call for important efforts to be understood at very low results. What is far more important is who has contacted/connected who. Also patterns and patterns changes in traffics. Mail can give micro information on people and information on who contacts who, who is contacted by who, etc. The root archives contains a lot of very precise informations (you can change a mail name, less likely a site name) with a stable flow and stables references (the noise which probably peaks at least at 97.5%).
emails don't go through root servers, only DNS requests for the root do.
This is the reason why the USA make the world believe the root server system is important.
The USA has never done this..at WSIS and after, it is other countries who focus on the root.
The cost of running a root server is high.
This is relative. Depends if you are anycasting or just run a single server. Cost is then some power, some staff time (not much) and of course a box and connectivity.
What
are the motivations of those doing it?
I have worked for 2 root-servers, their motivation is good Internet citizenship.
Questions: - who pays the USG root servers budget?
NASA pays for one, the Department of Defense budget pays for another.
The costs to run a root-server for these orgs is a small fraction of 1% of their budget. Ultimately it is US taxpayers who pay for these services.
- why has no Congressman investigated that public expense?
Because it is far less than his/her office budget!!??
- what would really happen to the Internet should the root server system stopped for ever at this very instant?
The DNS would still work on cached data, but it is unlikely to "stop forever" at this moment.
- what would happen to the Internet and to the world would the root file be supported no more by ICANN?
I don't understand this one. Verisign is the root-admin. IANA makes changes to the file as and when needed.
- EITF/IAB have released a summary of the ROAP (Routing and Addressing Problem) listing the priorities for a new routing and addressing solution. Why "routing path decided by the individual sender" is not even listed?
because it is impractical? If this was something ppl wanted, then their provider would have to have contracts/peering arrangements with EVERY provider in the world to make this happen.
I am afraid that the solution at hand is for ISPs to propose a non-US-through value added routing service, resolving on non-US root servers. I proposed this to be studied as a regalia service. We tested (as part of the dot-root project). And started the AFRAC project which is at the rot of the multilingual distributed referential system, to replace the unilateral IANA and Yankee Google, by a multilateral virtual infrastructure.
This is Internet Balkanisation. Something ISOC is working hard to prevent.
Terrorism is a good alibi to spy on privacy, policy, e-commerce, economy, industry.
He is right about that!!
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
jfc
At 20:10 03/08/2007, Adam Peake wrote:
At 6:56 AM -0700 8/3/07, Jonathan Robin wrote:
today's article in the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2 007080202619.html?hpid=topnews explicitly confirms for the first time the information gathering aspects of the U.S. Government agencies in respect of root servers
Robin, I don't understand your reference to root servers. The article mentions email passing through "communications nodes", wouldn't these be just telco owned facilities (perhaps the answer is don't peer with AT&T :-) My limited technical knowledge, but I was under the impression the root server system wasn't a lot of use for interception email traffic... Happy to learn more.
Adam
should ISOC members seek a consensus response to individual governmental overview in respect of both privacy implications and also taking into consideration the possibility of ways individual nations' network surveillance - China no comment inter alia - could compromise the integrity of what remains of yesterday's Internet ?
Best Regards
Jonathan Robin
Life : A finite succession of infinite opportunities
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On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Issues about privacy online (and offline) and who really 'owns' your
data
will be dealt with better when the Data Protection and Freedom of Information bills are enacted into law.As for now, we are really exposed bearing in mind that you cannot do much without the law being on your side!
Traditional escapism and diversionary logic – when cannot deal with giant monster realities out there, just slap own-self in the face and you'll forget about it.
To keep your data safe: dont browse the Net, own and use a mobile phone.... basically not possible, we need protection and enforcement!
Because there are so many road accidents, suggest we should also avoid crossing the roads, boarding or vehicles? Only walk and avoid shelter from trees – but lighting could strike and cause harm. Should remain indoors...but wait a minute, an earthquake could split the ground open and the the house sinks. Life is so dangerous no-one should be living?
From: Kelvin Githira <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fwd: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
Let be very honest with our selfs. There is no data privacy.
We are often than note made to believe that our data is secure when we sign contracts after reading and agreeing to terms, what we forget
most
iften the terms dictate that the (data handler) will not knowingly divert data to un authorised individuals , but i ask do we agree that there are authorised individuals in an organisation who live amoung us that have access to our data and they have a lee way to it ?
Ask me you want your data to be private ? Dont upload it.
Same case with a secret we take them with us.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
How about this?
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-paying-us-companies-...
Regards, [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos] On Aug 30, 2013 11:32 AM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting read, we discussed similar issues at the Kenya IGF.
Best Regards
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dumba Nicholas <nicholas.dkatumba@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM Subject: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
Just in case you might be interested.
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National
Facebook has revealed that the government of Uganda is among the 74 countries that requested for user account information of some of its citizens on social media platform in the first six months of 2013. The requests are made under the dockets of national security and criminal investigations by governments. In its first release of the Global Government Requests Report, Facebook’s general Counsel, Mr Colin Stretch noted that the release
of the
report is aimed at helping the on-going global debate about proper standards for governments around the world to access user information. The list put out by Facebook shows Uganda was among the five African governments that requested for user information to conduct official investigations. However, Facebook declined to disclose the data of the users that government had requested for. Five African countries made the list with South Africa leading at 14 requests. Egypt has 8, Ivory Coast 4, Botswana 3, while Uganda had one request. Facebook has a stringent legal process for governments to access user data which involves detailed information of a legal basis and factual evidence for each request. The report comes just months after Security Minister Muruli Mukasa revealed that government was in the final stages of setting up a social media monitoring unit to follow social media discussions and weed out people damaging the reputation of government and its officials. But Mr Ofwono Opondo, the director of the government Media Centre, the information was requested to facilitate the Uganda Police investigate cybercrime. “The intersection warrant in the Communications Act 2010, gives Police through government, powers to apply for information from any organisation including international communication agencies such as Facebook to aid it in investigating crimes such as money laundering and threats,” Mr Opondo said. Other countries mentioned by the release were United States that topped the list of countries requesting for over 12,000 Facebook user accounts information. Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
-- Regards,
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Just check the following: Privacy app pinpoints your exact location using social media More information on the link: http://www.fastcompany.com/3016662/fast-feed/privacy-app-pinpoints-your-exac... Regards and many thanks, Davis M Onsakia 'The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.' - Maureen Dowd ________________________________ From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> Cc: Jefsey_Morfin <jefsey@jefsey.com>; "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fwd: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug Very insightfull Alex and Mctim On Sep 3, 2013 5:27 PM, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote: It was his email, so have put him on copy.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex,
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Below 2007 conversation forward may be of interest.
too bad jefsey's email is full of misinformation.
comments inline.
regards,
Alex
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: JFC Morfin <jefsey@jefsey.com> Date: Fri, Aug 3, 2007 at 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [isoc-members-discuss] Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act amendments To: Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>, Jonathan Robin <jonathanrobin@yahoo.com>, isoc-members-discuss@elists.isoc.org
Dear Adam, in intelligence gathering the actual content of transactions is of low interest - it may call for important efforts to be understood at very low results. What is far more important is who has contacted/connected who. Also patterns and patterns changes in traffics. Mail can give micro information on people and information on who contacts who, who is contacted by who, etc. The root archives contains a lot of very precise informations (you can change a mail name, less likely a site name) with a stable flow and stables references (the noise which probably peaks at least at 97.5%).
emails don't go through root servers, only DNS requests for the root do.
This is the reason why the USA make the world believe the root server system is important.
The USA has never done this..at WSIS and after, it is other countries who focus on the root.
The cost of running a root server is high.
This is relative. Depends if you are anycasting or just run a single server. Cost is then some power, some staff time (not much) and of course a box and connectivity.
What
are the motivations of those doing it?
I have worked for 2 root-servers, their motivation is good Internet citizenship.
Questions: - who pays the USG root servers budget?
NASA pays for one, the Department of Defense budget pays for another.
The costs to run a root-server for these orgs is a small fraction of 1% of their budget. Ultimately it is US taxpayers who pay for these services.
- why has no Congressman investigated that public expense?
Because it is far less than his/her office budget!!??
- what would really happen to the Internet should the root server system stopped for ever at this very instant?
The DNS would still work on cached data, but it is unlikely to "stop forever" at this moment.
- what would happen to the Internet and to the world would the root file be supported no more by ICANN?
I don't understand this one. Verisign is the root-admin. IANA makes changes to the file as and when needed.
- EITF/IAB have released a summary of the ROAP (Routing and Addressing Problem) listing the priorities for a new routing and addressing solution. Why "routing path decided by the individual sender" is not even listed?
because it is impractical? If this was something ppl wanted, then their provider would have to have contracts/peering arrangements with EVERY provider in the world to make this happen.
I am afraid that the solution at hand is for ISPs to propose a non-US-through value added routing service, resolving on non-US root servers. I proposed this to be studied as a regalia service. We tested (as part of the dot-root project). And started the AFRAC project which is at the rot of the multilingual distributed referential system, to replace the unilateral IANA and Yankee Google, by a multilateral virtual infrastructure.
This is Internet Balkanisation. Something ISOC is working hard to prevent.
Terrorism is a good alibi to spy on privacy, policy, e-commerce, economy, industry.
He is right about that!!
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
jfc
At 20:10 03/08/2007, Adam Peake wrote:
At 6:56 AM -0700 8/3/07, Jonathan Robin wrote:
today's article in the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2 007080202619.html?hpid=topnews explicitly confirms for the first time the information gathering aspects of the U.S. Government agencies in respect of root servers
Robin, I don't understand your reference to root servers. The article mentions email passing through "communications nodes", wouldn't these be just telco owned facilities (perhaps the answer is don't peer with AT&T :-) My limited technical knowledge, but I was under the impression the root server system wasn't a lot of use for interception email traffic... Happy to learn more.
Adam
should ISOC members seek a consensus response to individual governmental overview in respect of both privacy implications and also taking into consideration the possibility of ways individual nations' network surveillance - China no comment inter alia - could compromise the integrity of what remains of yesterday's Internet ?
Best Regards
Jonathan Robin
Life : A finite succession of infinite opportunities
Internet Governance Profile http://www.icdri.org/JR.htm
UNESCO UNITAR Scientific Committee Advisory Board International Center for Disability Resources on the Internet
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On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Issues about privacy online (and offline) and who really 'owns' your data will be dealt with better when the Data Protection and Freedom of Information bills are enacted into law.As for now, we are really exposed bearing in mind that you cannot do much without the law being on your side!
Traditional escapism and diversionary logic – when cannot deal with giant monster realities out there, just slap own-self in the face and you'll forget about it.
To keep your data safe: dont browse the Net, own and use a mobile phone.... basically not possible, we need protection and enforcement!
Because there are so many road accidents, suggest we should also avoid crossing the roads, boarding or vehicles? Only walk and avoid shelter from trees – but lighting could strike and cause harm. Should remain indoors...but wait a minute, an earthquake could split the ground open and the the house sinks. Life is so dangerous no-one should be living?
From: Kelvin Githira <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fwd: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
Let be very honest with our selfs. There is no data privacy.
We are often than note made to believe that our data is secure when we sign contracts after reading and agreeing to terms, what we forget most iften the terms dictate that the (data handler) will not knowingly divert data to un authorised individuals , but i ask do we agree that there are authorised individuals in an organisation who live amoung us that have access to our data and they have a lee way to it ?
Ask me you want your data to be private ? Dont upload it.
Same case with a secret we take them with us.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
How about this?
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-paying-us-companies-... Regards, [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos] On Aug 30, 2013 11:32 AM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting read, we discussed similar issues at the Kenya IGF.
Best Regards
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dumba Nicholas <nicholas.dkatumba@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM Subject: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
Just in case you might be interested.
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National
Facebook has revealed that the government of Uganda is among the 74 countries that requested for user account information of some of its citizens on social media platform in the first six months of 2013. The requests are made under the dockets of national security and criminal investigations by governments. In its first release of the Global Government Requests Report, Facebook’s general Counsel, Mr Colin Stretch noted that the release of the report is aimed at helping the on-going global debate about proper standards for governments around the world to access user information. The list put out by Facebook shows Uganda was among the five African governments that requested for user information to conduct official investigations. However, Facebook declined to disclose the data of the users that government had requested for. Five African countries made the list with South Africa leading at 14 requests. Egypt has 8, Ivory Coast 4, Botswana 3, while Uganda had one request. Facebook has a stringent legal process for governments to access user data which involves detailed information of a legal basis and factual evidence for each request. The report comes just months after Security Minister Muruli Mukasa revealed that government was in the final stages of setting up a social media monitoring unit to follow social media discussions and weed out people damaging the reputation of government and its officials. But Mr Ofwono Opondo, the director of the government Media Centre, the information was requested to facilitate the Uganda Police investigate cybercrime. “The intersection warrant in the Communications Act 2010, gives Police through government, powers to apply for information from any organisation including international communication agencies such as Facebook to aid it in investigating crimes such as money laundering and threats,” Mr Opondo said. Other countries mentioned by the release were United States that topped the list of countries requesting for over 12,000 Facebook user accounts information. Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+ac...
-- Regards,
____________________________________________________________________________ Nicholas Ddumba Katumba P.O. Box 22249, Kampala - Uganda; Tel: +256 712 212109, +256 756 212109, +256 776 210975 Facebook: Nicholas Ddumba Katumba; Skype: nick-d-k; LinkedIn: Nicholas Ddumba Katumba Blog: http://ddumba.wordpress.com; Twitter: NDKatumba; Google+: Nicolas Dumba Katumba
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