Very insightfull Alex and Mctim
It was his email, so have put him on copy.On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex,
too bad jefsey's email is full of misinformation.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Below 2007 conversation forward may be of interest.
comments inline.
emails don't go through root servers, only DNS requests for the root do.
>
> regards,
>
> Alex
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: JFC Morfin <jefsey@jefsey.com>
> Date: Fri, Aug 3, 2007 at 10:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [isoc-members-discuss] Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
> amendments
> To: Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>, Jonathan Robin <jonathanrobin@yahoo.com>,
> isoc-members-discuss@elists.isoc.org
>
>
> Dear Adam,
> in intelligence gathering the actual content of transactions is of
> low interest - it may call for important efforts to be understood at
> very low results. What is far more important is who has
> contacted/connected who. Also patterns and patterns changes in
> traffics. Mail can give micro information on people and information
> on who contacts who, who is contacted by who, etc. The root archives
> contains a lot of very precise informations (you can change a mail
> name, less likely a site name) with a stable flow and stables
> references (the noise which probably peaks at least at 97.5%).
The USA has never done this..at WSIS and after, it is other countries
>
> This is the reason why the USA make the world believe the root server
> system is important.
who focus on the root.
This is relative. Depends if you are anycasting or just run a single server.
> The cost of running a root server is high.
Cost is then some power, some staff time (not much) and of course a
box and connectivity.
I have worked for 2 root-servers, their motivation is good
What
> are the motivations of those doing it?
Internet citizenship.
NASA pays for one, the Department of Defense budget pays for another.
>
> Questions:
> - who pays the USG root servers budget?
The costs to run a root-server for these orgs is a small fraction of
1% of their budget. Ultimately it is US taxpayers who pay for these
services.
Because it is far less than his/her office budget!!??
> - why has no Congressman investigated that public expense?
The DNS would still work on cached data, but it is unlikely to "stop
> - what would really happen to the Internet should the root server
> system stopped for ever at this very instant?
forever" at this moment.
I don't understand this one. Verisign is the root-admin. IANA makes
> - what would happen to the Internet and to the world would the root
> file be supported no more by ICANN?
changes to the file as and when needed.
because it is impractical? If this was something ppl wanted, then
> - EITF/IAB have released a summary of the ROAP (Routing and
> Addressing Problem) listing the priorities for a new routing and
> addressing solution. Why "routing path decided by the individual
> sender" is not even listed?
their provider would have to have contracts/peering arrangements with
EVERY provider in the world to make this happen.
This is Internet Balkanisation. Something ISOC is working hard to prevent.
>
> I am afraid that the solution at hand is for ISPs to propose a
> non-US-through value added routing service, resolving on non-US root
> servers. I proposed this to be studied as a regalia service. We
> tested (as part of the dot-root project). And started the AFRAC
> project which is at the rot of the multilingual distributed
> referential system, to replace the unilateral IANA and Yankee Google,
> by a multilateral virtual infrastructure.
He is right about that!!
>
> Terrorism is a good alibi to spy on privacy, policy, e-commerce,
> economy, industry.
--
Cheers,
McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
> jfc
>
>
> At 20:10 03/08/2007, Adam Peake wrote:
>>At 6:56 AM -0700 8/3/07, Jonathan Robin wrote:
>> >today's article in the Washington Post
>> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2
>> 007080202619.html?hpid=topnews
>> > explicitly confirms for the first time the
>> >information gathering aspects of the U.S.
>> >Government agencies in respect of root servers
>> >
>>
>>
>>Robin, I don't understand your reference to root
>>servers. The article mentions email passing
>>through "communications nodes", wouldn't these be
>>just telco owned facilities (perhaps the answer
>>is don't peer with AT&T :-)
>>My limited technical knowledge, but I was under
>>the impression the root server system wasn't a
>>lot of use for interception email traffic...
>>Happy to learn more.
>>
>>Adam
>>
>>
>> > should ISOC members seek a consensus response
>> >to individual governmental overview in respect
>> >of both privacy implications and also taking
>> >into consideration the possibility of ways
>> >individual nations' network surveillance - China
>> >no comment inter alia - could compromise the
>> >integrity of what remains of yesterday's
>> >Internet ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Best Regards
>> >
>> >Jonathan Robin
>> >
>> >
>> >Life : A finite succession of infinite opportunities
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> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Davis Onsakia <mautidavis@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Issues about privacy online (and offline) and who really 'owns' your data
>>> will be dealt with better when the Data Protection and Freedom of
>>> Information bills are enacted into law.As for now, we are really exposed
>>> bearing in mind that you cannot do much without the law being on your side!
>>
>> Traditional escapism and diversionary logic – when cannot deal with giant
>> monster realities out there, just slap own-self in the face and you'll
>> forget about it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> To keep your data safe: dont browse the Net, own and use a mobile
>>> phone.... basically not possible, we need protection and enforcement!
>>
>> Because there are so many road accidents, suggest we should also avoid
>> crossing the roads, boarding or vehicles? Only walk and avoid shelter from
>> trees – but lighting could strike and cause harm. Should remain
>> indoors...but wait a minute, an earthquake could split the ground open and
>> the the house sinks. Life is so dangerous no-one should be living?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> From: Kelvin Githira <kelvin@skysys.co.ke>
>>> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "isoc@lists.my.co.ke" <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 10:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Fwd: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda
>>> requests for user account information - National - monitor.co.ug
>>>
>>> Let be very honest with our selfs. There is no data privacy.
>>>
>>> We are often than note made to believe that our data is secure when we
>>> sign contracts after reading and agreeing to terms, what we forget most
>>> iften the terms dictate that the (data handler) will not knowingly divert
>>> data to un authorised individuals , but i ask do we agree that there are
>>> authorised individuals in an organisation who live amoung us that have
>>> access to our data and they have a lee way to it ?
>>>
>>> Ask me you want your data to be private ? Dont upload it.
>>>
>>> Same case with a secret we take them with us.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> How about this?
>>>
>>> http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-paying-us-companies-for-access-to-communications-networks/2013/08/29/5641a4b6-10c2-11e3-bdf6-e4fc677d94a1_story.html?wpisrc=nl_tech_b
>>> Regards,
>>> [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or
>>> unintended typos]
>>> On Aug 30, 2013 11:32 AM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting read, we discussed similar issues at the Kenya IGF.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Dumba Nicholas <nicholas.dkatumba@gmail.com>
>>> Date: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:50 AM
>>> Subject: [i-network] Fwd: {UAH} Facebook: Uganda requests for user
>>> account information - National - monitor.co.ug
>>> To: I-Network Uganda <i-network@dgroups.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just in case you might be interested.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+account+information/-/688334/1971230/-/ijbp8r/-/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National
>>>
>>> Facebook has revealed that the government of Uganda is among the 74
>>> countries that requested for user account information of some of its
>>> citizens on social media platform in the first six months of 2013.
>>> The requests are made under the dockets of national security and
>>> criminal investigations by governments.
>>> In its first release of the Global Government Requests Report,
>>> Facebook’s general Counsel, Mr Colin Stretch noted that the release of the
>>> report is aimed at helping the on-going global debate about proper standards
>>> for governments around the world to access user information.
>>> The list put out by Facebook shows Uganda was among the five African
>>> governments that requested for user information to conduct official
>>> investigations.
>>> However, Facebook declined to disclose the data of the users that
>>> government had requested for.
>>> Five African countries made the list with South Africa leading at 14
>>> requests. Egypt has 8, Ivory Coast 4, Botswana 3, while Uganda had one
>>> request.
>>> Facebook has a stringent legal process for governments to access user
>>> data which involves detailed information of a legal basis and factual
>>> evidence for each request.
>>> The report comes just months after Security Minister Muruli Mukasa
>>> revealed that government was in the final stages of setting up a social
>>> media monitoring unit to follow social media discussions and weed out people
>>> damaging the reputation of government and its officials.
>>> But Mr Ofwono Opondo, the director of the government Media Centre, the
>>> information was requested to facilitate the Uganda Police investigate
>>> cybercrime.
>>> “The intersection warrant in the Communications Act 2010, gives Police
>>> through government, powers to apply for information from any organisation
>>> including international communication agencies such as Facebook to aid it in
>>> investigating crimes such as money laundering and threats,” Mr Opondo said.
>>> Other countries mentioned by the release were United States that topped
>>> the list of countries requesting for over 12,000 Facebook user accounts
>>> information.
>>> Facebook: Uganda requests for user account information - National -
>>> monitor.co.ug
>>>
>>> http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Facebook++Uganda+requests+for+user+account+information/-/688334/1971230/-/ijbp8r/-/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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