Article: ICANN: No dotless domains for you, Google
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Greetings Kelvin, I do hope you are very well. Many thanks for sharing and I would be glad to be enlightened more. Is the dotless possibly the future and this is a shortsighted move or just for some time? Is there a shortage of vocabulary (like the example given of music, if taken there would be no other expressions to use)?Is the rejection by ICANN protection from a monopolistic direction if taken if so how comes there seems to be another option to get the same dotless, so why not just grant it now. Happy to learn more from the community of experts! Lovely day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". ________________________________ From: Kelvin Githira <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> To: ISOC Kenya <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Saturday, 17 August 2013, 15:25 Subject: [ISOC_KE] Article: ICANN: No dotless domains for you, Google ICANN: No dotless domains for you, Google http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57598967-93/icann-no-dotless-domains-for-yo... Shared from Technology on Flipboard. Download Flipboard for free here. Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
Hi Wangari, ICANN deliberated and decided that dotless domains would interfere with the stability of the internet. Here is a perfect example, http://localhost is a dotless domain. If hypothetically it was awarded to a registry, it would mean that our computers would be confused on who really is local host between the local root and the international root. Ok, that example if far fetched because localhost can never be delegated. Now to quantify my example, suppose the word "matrix" is given out as a dotless domain? How many servers in the world are named matrix? Thousands I suppose. So in the LAN and WAN setting, all traffic to http://matrix would go to the local server, and would never reach the delegated root server for http://matrix and this would destabilize the DNS system. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 19 August 2013 18:24, WANGARI KABIRU <wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Greetings Kelvin,
I do hope you are very well.
Many thanks for sharing and I would be glad to be enlightened more.
Is the dotless possibly the future and this is a shortsighted move or just for some time? Is there a shortage of vocabulary (like the example given of music, if taken there would be no other expressions to use)?Is the rejection by ICANN protection from a monopolistic direction if taken if so how comes there seems to be another option to get the same dotless, so why not just grant it now.
Happy to learn more from the community of experts!
Lovely day.
Regards/Wangari
--- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".
------------------------------ *From:* Kelvin Githira <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> *To:* ISOC Kenya <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Saturday, 17 August 2013, 15:25 *Subject:* [ISOC_KE] Article: ICANN: No dotless domains for you, Google
*ICANN: No dotless domains for you, Google*
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Hi Wangari, ICANN deliberated and decided that dotless domains would interfere with the stability of the internet. Here is a perfect example, http://localhost is a dotless domain. If hypothetically it was awarded to a registry, it would mean that our computers would be confused on who really is local host between the local root and the international root. Ok, that example if far fetched because localhost can never be delegated. Now to quantify my example, suppose the word "matrix" is given out as a dotless domain? How many servers in the world are named matrix? Thousands I suppose. So in the LAN and WAN setting, all traffic to http://matrix would go to the local server, and would never reach the delegated root server for http://matrix and this would destabilize the DNS system. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
Greetings Kivuva, Very enlightening, thank you very much for this!! I get the drift very well now. That being the case, why would Google in this instance or any other Organisations who are players and known industry drivers want to front for the dotless if it "stifles" the industry. What I am hearing is the way pharmaceutical firms release one medication to treat a prevalent condition and in turn the new medicine creates five more ailments in the "healed" person, creating a cycle for drug dependency - managed only with medication from only the said firm. Why I say this is I presume and repeat presume as I have no guaranteed information - that in these Organisations that is where you find the Gurus who are even the Advisors to the ICANN-likes, governments and such institutions who are policy makers and drivers of the internet. Have a pleasant day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". ________________________________ From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> To: WANGARI KABIRU <wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Kelvin Githira <kelvin@skysys.co.ke>; ISOC Kenya <isoc@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013, 15:12 Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Article: ICANN: No dotless domains for you, Google Hi Wangari, ICANN deliberated and decided that dotless domains would interfere with the stability of the internet. Here is a perfect example, http://localhost is a dotless domain. If hypothetically it was awarded to a registry, it would mean that our computers would be confused on who really is local host between the local root and the international root. Ok, that example if far fetched because localhost can never be delegated. Now to quantify my example, suppose the word "matrix" is given out as a dotless domain? How many servers in the world are named matrix? Thousands I suppose. So in the LAN and WAN setting, all traffic to http://matrix would go to the local server, and would never reach the delegated root server for http://matrix and this would destabilize the DNS system. Regards ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
In a letter to ICANN, (attached) Google outlined that it would opt to use the “search” domain in a slightly quirky new way. It would use it as a dotless domain — think http://search — which would use a redirect and a “new technical standard” to provide results from whichever search service a user designates. In other words, it wouldn’t necessarily use Google, at least if you didn’t want it to. The letter also detailed similar ideas for domains like .app, .blog and .cloud, in each case the domain simply being a springboard for whatever platform or service the user chooses. The idea, presumably, is to create a single jumping off point for all users which still allows them to use the service they want — or need — to. Of course, whether that’s enough to convince competitors and ICANN that the idea is OK remains to be seen but as of now it stands rejected. food for thought (how many of us who want to search do the following ? type on your browser www.google.com > type the content you want to search.) i think most of us simply query from the browser without specifying the search engine. that in its self is a dotless search Regards, Kelvin On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Hi Wangari,
ICANN deliberated and decided that dotless domains would interfere with the stability of the internet.
Here is a perfect example, http://localhost is a dotless domain. If hypothetically it was awarded to a registry, it would mean that our computers would be confused on who really is local host between the local root and the international root. Ok, that example if far fetched because localhost can never be delegated.
Now to quantify my example, suppose the word "matrix" is given out as a dotless domain? How many servers in the world are named matrix? Thousands I suppose. So in the LAN and WAN setting, all traffic to http://matrix would go to the local server, and would never reach the delegated root server for http://matrix and this would destabilize the DNS system.
Regards
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
I dont know if we are at the same page, but sometimes I search using the address bar and it performs the search, but it doesnt work for all browsers. On Aug 20, 2013 1:20 PM, "Kelvin Kamau" <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> wrote:
In a letter to ICANN, (attached) Google outlined that it would opt to use the “search” domain in a slightly quirky new way. It would use it as a dotless domain — think http://search — which would use a redirect and a “new technical standard” to provide results from whichever search service a user designates. In other words, it wouldn’t necessarily use Google, at least if you didn’t want it to. The letter also detailed similar ideas for domains like .app, .blog and .cloud, in each case the domain simply being a springboard for whatever platform or service the user chooses. The idea, presumably, is to create a single jumping off point for all users which still allows them to use the service they want — or need — to. Of course, whether that’s enough to convince competitors and ICANN that the idea is OK remains to be seen but as of now it stands rejected.
food for thought (how many of us who want to search do the following ? type on your browser www.google.com > type the content you want to search.) i think most of us simply query from the browser without specifying the search engine. that in its self is a dotless search
Regards, Kelvin
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Hi Wangari,
ICANN deliberated and decided that dotless domains would interfere with the stability of the internet.
Here is a perfect example, http://localhost is a dotless domain. If hypothetically it was awarded to a registry, it would mean that our computers would be confused on who really is local host between the local root and the international root. Ok, that example if far fetched because localhost can never be delegated.
Now to quantify my example, suppose the word "matrix" is given out as a dotless domain? How many servers in the world are named matrix? Thousands I suppose. So in the LAN and WAN setting, all traffic to http://matrix would go to the local server, and would never reach the delegated root server for http://matrix and this would destabilize the DNS system.
Regards
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
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Good point Kelvin. Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113/ 0770 906375 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Aug 21, 2013, at 12:21 AM, Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont know if we are at the same page, but sometimes I search using the address bar and it performs the search, but it doesnt work for all browsers.
On Aug 20, 2013 1:20 PM, "Kelvin Kamau" <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> wrote:
In a letter to ICANN, (attached) Google outlined that it would opt to use the “search” domain in a slightly quirky new way. It would use it as a dotless domain — think http://search — which would use a redirect and a “new technical standard” to provide results from whichever search service a user designates. In other words, it wouldn’t necessarily use Google, at least if you didn’t want it to. The letter also detailed similar ideas for domains like .app, .blog and .cloud, in each case the domain simply being a springboard for whatever platform or service the user chooses. The idea, presumably, is to create a single jumping off point for all users which still allows them to use the service they want — or need — to. Of course, whether that’s enough to convince competitors and ICANN that the idea is OK remains to be seen but as of now it stands rejected.
food for thought (how many of us who want to search do the following ? type on your browser www.google.com > type the content you want to search.) i think most of us simply query from the browser without specifying the search engine. that in its self is a dotless search
Regards, Kelvin
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Hi Wangari,
ICANN deliberated and decided that dotless domains would interfere with the stability of the internet.
Here is a perfect example, http://localhost is a dotless domain. If hypothetically it was awarded to a registry, it would mean that our computers would be confused on who really is local host between the local root and the international root. Ok, that example if far fetched because localhost can never be delegated.
Now to quantify my example, suppose the word "matrix" is given out as a dotless domain? How many servers in the world are named matrix? Thousands I suppose. So in the LAN and WAN setting, all traffic to http://matrix would go to the local server, and would never reach the delegated root server for http://matrix and this would destabilize the DNS system.
Regards
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I wish to refute Kevin's claims. The modern browsers address bar has evolved to the point of being an input box that redirects all input to the default search engine, therefore IE may befault to bing, while the rest may default to google. But that does not make that a dottless search since all input is validated by a proper legacy DNS system. The point that many admins in large companies that deploy local initiatives of dotless domains on their intranet are making is that opening that space would break their implementations because their root.hints would "get confused" And by stating ICANN's position does not necessarily mean I Agree with them. Change is inevitable On 21/08/2013, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Good point Kelvin.
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On Aug 21, 2013, at 12:21 AM, Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
I dont know if we are at the same page, but sometimes I search using the address bar and it performs the search, but it doesnt work for all browsers.
On Aug 20, 2013 1:20 PM, "Kelvin Kamau" <kelvin@skysys.co.ke> wrote:
In a letter to ICANN, (attached) Google outlined that it would opt to use the “search” domain in a slightly quirky new way. It would use it as a dotless domain — think http://search — which would use a redirect and a “new technical standard” to provide results from whichever search service a user designates. In other words, it wouldn’t necessarily use Google, at least if you didn’t want it to. The letter also detailed similar ideas for domains like .app, .blog and .cloud, in each case the domain simply being a springboard for whatever platform or service the user chooses. The idea, presumably, is to create a single jumping off point for all users which still allows them to use the service they want — or need — to. Of course, whether that’s enough to convince competitors and ICANN that the idea is OK remains to be seen but as of now it stands rejected.
food for thought (how many of us who want to search do the following ? type on your browser www.google.com > type the content you want to search.) i think most of us simply query from the browser without specifying the search engine. that in its self is a dotless search
Regards, Kelvin
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Hi Wangari,
ICANN deliberated and decided that dotless domains would interfere with the stability of the internet.
Here is a perfect example, http://localhost is a dotless domain. If hypothetically it was awarded to a registry, it would mean that our computers would be confused on who really is local host between the local root and the international root. Ok, that example if far fetched because localhost can never be delegated.
Now to quantify my example, suppose the word "matrix" is given out as a dotless domain? How many servers in the world are named matrix? Thousands I suppose. So in the LAN and WAN setting, all traffic to http://matrix would go to the local server, and would never reach the delegated root server for http://matrix and this would destabilize the DNS system.
Regards
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
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