Who would have thought this possible 2 yrs ago..... http://www.cellular-news.com/story/48744.php?s=h
I don't think comparing iOS and Android market share is objective. While Android running on all sorts of phones from many manufacturers including the Ideos, iOS only running on iPhones and iPads. Just by the sheer volume of devices being churned by the hundreds of manufacturers now making Android phones, it was just a matter of time before Android take the lead.
Well put Phillip, but sometimes the world looks at it differently, for example on the PC market, they compare Dell & HP and the likes and at the same time compare Windows, Linux & the likes. The only thing these comparisons don't actually do is compare Apple, Motorola, Nokia, Samsung & the likes since we know the agenda they are pushing - to tell you that they have beaten Apple since its the dorminant player right now. ./Ok3ch On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think comparing iOS and Android market share is objective. While Android running on all sorts of phones from many manufacturers including the Ideos, iOS only running on iPhones and iPads. Just by the sheer volume of devices being churned by the hundreds of manufacturers now making Android phones, it was just a matter of time before Android take the lead.
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The marvel here for me is where these two sytems are coming from. iPhone OS, from the mighty Apple, sleek designs, runaway success, alleged immunity from viruses and malware etc etc, clearly the undisputed leader in the exclusive smartphone segment. Then look at Android, two yrs ago how many people would have given it a second look as a smartphone OS....first of all, open source ,who wants to try such unknowns in a cutthroat competition? But today Android is the bomb, so much so that even Nokia will soon be seeing the error of their ways and unleash an Android device in the not so distant future....those are my prophecies, just watch that space... On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put Phillip, but sometimes the world looks at it differently, for example on the PC market, they compare Dell & HP and the likes and at the same time compare Windows, Linux & the likes. The only thing these comparisons don't actually do is compare Apple, Motorola, Nokia, Samsung & the likes since we know the agenda they are pushing - to tell you that they have beaten Apple since its the dorminant player right now.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think comparing iOS and Android market share is objective. While Android running on all sorts of phones from many manufacturers including the Ideos, iOS only running on iPhones and iPads. Just by the sheer volume of devices being churned by the hundreds of manufacturers now making Android phones, it was just a matter of time before Android take the lead.
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Could someone then clarify for us which of these options (IOS or Android or Symbian or etc) would be the best to develop apps on, with financial $uccess in mind. Or does one create the app on one OS and then replicate the code to suit all the other major OS options? The other thing, can one really gain financial success writing apps? Timo. On 4/16/11, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
The marvel here for me is where these two sytems are coming from. iPhone OS, from the mighty Apple, sleek designs, runaway success, alleged immunity from viruses and malware etc etc, clearly the undisputed leader in the exclusive smartphone segment. Then look at Android, two yrs ago how many people would have given it a second look as a smartphone OS....first of all, open source ,who wants to try such unknowns in a cutthroat competition? But today Android is the bomb, so much so that even Nokia will soon be seeing the error of their ways and unleash an Android device in the not so distant future....those are my prophecies, just watch that space...
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put Phillip, but sometimes the world looks at it differently, for example on the PC market, they compare Dell & HP and the likes and at the same time compare Windows, Linux & the likes. The only thing these comparisons don't actually do is compare Apple, Motorola, Nokia, Samsung & the likes since we know the agenda they are pushing - to tell you that they have beaten Apple since its the dorminant player right now.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think comparing iOS and Android market share is objective. While Android running on all sorts of phones from many manufacturers including the Ideos, iOS only running on iPhones and iPads. Just by the sheer volume of devices being churned by the hundreds of manufacturers now making Android phones, it was just a matter of time before Android take the lead.
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Develop for All My friend! Ubaguzi will only give you a fraction of the marketshare. Develop for all and your app is available for everyone .... take at nimbuzz as an example
As Nzomo says, If you have the resources, develop for all. However, with constrained resources, read the market. Check out issues like - Potential market population (e.g iphone, android, blackberry or j2me ecosystem) - Competition for your app in that market - Ability to code well (produce a good product) - Rate of returns (The share you get, the costs of obtaining these shares, any other fees) - Market behavoir (do they want freebies or do they normally buy) Then critically evaluate your product (sometimes its not that important but the general guideline is test it out first with friends and some people. Would they buy it?). This is normaly the trickiest phase, you simply have to try all you can to evaluate this. Old skool normal evaluation criteria (product usefulness, pricing, e.t.c) is about 40% in our current economies, but I gues if you have a product you have a product, you need sales. It always helps to check out marketing/evaluation processes for some successful products like angry birds If at least you do your homework, you can hope 20% of the market buys your stuff and you go home happy On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 1:54 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Develop for All My friend! Ubaguzi will only give you a fraction of the marketshare. Develop for all and your app is available for everyone .... take at nimbuzz as an example
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Just like all have said, develop for all, but that doesn't stop you from having a favourite which you release features first before deploying to the others. Most developers (except for Google, Amazon & a few others) always release the iOS versions very rich-featured to test the waters and ultimately makes versions for the others available later - even the boggest critic of Apple, Adobe I have seen do this once in a while - and this was before Android accounted for the biggest market share. So, it could be that you look at your resources, spend more cutting-age feature development for the OS with the biggest market share, then all the other's follow later, but not left out. ./Ok3ch On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com> wrote:
As Nzomo says, If you have the resources, develop for all. However, with constrained resources, read the market. Check out issues like - Potential market population (e.g iphone, android, blackberry or j2me ecosystem) - Competition for your app in that market - Ability to code well (produce a good product) - Rate of returns (The share you get, the costs of obtaining these shares, any other fees) - Market behavoir (do they want freebies or do they normally buy)
Then critically evaluate your product (sometimes its not that important but the general guideline is test it out first with friends and some people. Would they buy it?). This is normaly the trickiest phase, you simply have to try all you can to evaluate this. Old skool normal evaluation criteria (product usefulness, pricing, e.t.c) is about 40% in our current economies, but I gues if you have a product you have a product, you need sales. It always helps to check out marketing/evaluation processes for some successful products like angry birds
If at least you do your homework, you can hope 20% of the market buys your stuff and you go home happy
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 1:54 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Develop for All My friend! Ubaguzi will only give you a fraction of the marketshare. Develop for all and your app is available for everyone .... take at nimbuzz as an example
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More Android firepower! http://www.cellular-news.com/story/48818.php?s=h
Was reading cellular news yesterday and was really waiting for someone to post this article http://www.cellular-news.com/story/48807.php on this thread, but alas. Looks like news is only news when its Android news :-( ./Ok3ch On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
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I saw the article, but its talking about the USA, which is expected anyway for iPhone OS. So I consequently wrote it off as 'un-newsworthy'....... On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Was reading cellular news yesterday and was really waiting for someone to post this article http://www.cellular-news.com/story/48807.php on this thread, but alas. Looks like news is only news when its Android news :-(
./Ok3ch
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But if you comparing iOS - which is more American (maybe strategically) as you say, with Android which is penetrating every corner of the globe (also strategically) is it then also un-newsworthy? ./Ok3ch On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
I saw the article, but its talking about the USA, which is expected anyway for iPhone OS. So I consequently wrote it off as 'un-newsworthy'.......
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Was reading cellular news yesterday and was really waiting for someone to post this article http://www.cellular-news.com/story/48807.php on this thread, but alas. Looks like news is only news when its Android news :-(
./Ok3ch
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@Kinuthia, Nokia just partnered with Microsoft... I don't see them going Android, maybe Windows Mobile. Either way Symbian is now the past or in the process of becoming (the past). On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
The marvel here for me is where these two sytems are coming from. iPhone OS, from the mighty Apple, sleek designs, runaway success, alleged immunity from viruses and malware etc etc, clearly the undisputed leader in the exclusive smartphone segment. Then look at Android, two yrs ago how many people would have given it a second look as a smartphone OS....first of all, open source ,who wants to try such unknowns in a cutthroat competition? But today Android is the bomb, so much so that even Nokia will soon be seeing the error of their ways and unleash an Android device in the not so distant future....those are my prophecies, just watch that space...
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put Phillip, but sometimes the world looks at it differently, for example on the PC market, they compare Dell & HP and the likes and at the same time compare Windows, Linux & the likes. The only thing these comparisons don't actually do is compare Apple, Motorola, Nokia, Samsung & the likes since we know the agenda they are pushing - to tell you that they have beaten Apple since its the dorminant player right now.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think comparing iOS and Android market share is objective. While Android running on all sorts of phones from many manufacturers including the Ideos, iOS only running on iPhones and iPads. Just by the sheer volume of devices being churned by the hundreds of manufacturers now making Android phones, it was just a matter of time before Android take the lead.
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Exactly my point, instead of Nokia putting up at least one android device, they go ahead to sing deals with microsoft for the windows mobile platform, (the origins of the new nokia CEO might give you a hint...). Actually the first devices out of this union are under development. But i still think the android juggernaut will be too much for them in the long run. Its better to have a device on both platforms and see the market response, no? On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Kago Kagichiri <thekenyanprince@gmail.com>wrote:
@Kinuthia, Nokia just partnered with Microsoft... I don't see them going Android, maybe Windows Mobile. Either way Symbian is now the past or in the process of becoming (the past).
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The marvel here for me is where these two sytems are coming from. iPhone OS, from the mighty Apple, sleek designs, runaway success, alleged immunity from viruses and malware etc etc, clearly the undisputed leader in the exclusive smartphone segment. Then look at Android, two yrs ago how many people would have given it a second look as a smartphone OS....first of all, open source ,who wants to try such unknowns in a cutthroat competition? But today Android is the bomb, so much so that even Nokia will soon be seeing the error of their ways and unleash an Android device in the not so distant future....those are my prophecies, just watch that space...
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put Phillip, but sometimes the world looks at it differently, for example on the PC market, they compare Dell & HP and the likes and at the same time compare Windows, Linux & the likes. The only thing these comparisons don't actually do is compare Apple, Motorola, Nokia, Samsung & the likes since we know the agenda they are pushing - to tell you that they have beaten Apple since its the dorminant player right now.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think comparing iOS and Android market share is objective. While Android running on all sorts of phones from many manufacturers including the Ideos, iOS only running on iPhones and iPads. Just by the sheer volume of devices being churned by the hundreds of manufacturers now making Android phones, it was just a matter of time before Android take the lead.
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A few things, I'm not taking anything away from Android, it's a brilliant OS. But it's success comes partly from their strategy. I'm not sure we would have the same numbers if the iPhone was equally priced. We have 50,000+ Android device activations in Kenya, primarily because of the IDEOS (which retails at 8,500 KES). The only other IOS device available in our retail stores is the iPhone 4, at 105,000 KES (Phone Express) and roughly 80,000 KES in other stores. We are comparing Apples and Oranges. Google's model at the end of the day is going to scale. It was designed to scale. It's not possible for Apple to take over the market, even if they had the capacity because of anti-trust rules. Really, it's good for all. As far as Nokia is concerned, if you really think about it, their last card was in going the Microsoft way. Really the only reason people are buying the IDEOS is because it has Android OS. Android is making devices hardware vendor indepenent. One can argue the same about Microsoft, but none of the others will have the sort of mindshare that Nokia will. If you think about it: Nexus one was made by HTC, Nexus S, Samsung, IDEOS Huawei. At a time when all the aforementioned hardware vendors had jumped ship to Android, it was to some extent to Nokia's benefit, because now, everyone seems to be waiting for the first Windows Phone 7 devices from Nokia.... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ |
Comparing the two is as easy as comparing candle light and the sun light. iOS is a killer! David On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
A few things, I'm not taking anything away from Android, it's a brilliant OS. But it's success comes partly from their strategy. I'm not sure we would have the same numbers if the iPhone was equally priced. We have 50,000+ Android device activations in Kenya, primarily because of the IDEOS (which retails at 8,500 KES). The only other IOS device available in our retail stores is the iPhone 4, at 105,000 KES (Phone Express) and roughly 80,000 KES in other stores. We are comparing Apples and Oranges.
Google's model at the end of the day is going to scale. It was designed to scale. It's not possible for Apple to take over the market, even if they had the capacity because of anti-trust rules. Really, it's good for all.
As far as Nokia is concerned, if you really think about it, their last card was in going the Microsoft way. Really the only reason people are buying the IDEOS is because it has Android OS. Android is making devices hardware vendor indepenent. One can argue the same about Microsoft, but none of the others will have the sort of mindshare that Nokia will. If you think about it: Nexus one was made by HTC, Nexus S, Samsung, IDEOS Huawei. At a time when all the aforementioned hardware vendors had jumped ship to Android, it was to some extent to Nokia's benefit, because now, everyone seems to be waiting for the first Windows Phone 7 devices from Nokia.... -- With Regards,
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I think the comparison is moot. different markets. different expectations. Different swag. iPhone is for guys who want to buy once and forget. its an investment. apple devices last longer than any other brand because they are premium products built with premium materials. Android and their hardware are built for the masses. and thus the build quality and products are for the mass market. that there are more android users is obvious and that was the plan. whether it translates to higher profit margins for the manufacturers and google is another matter. On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:33 PM, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Comparing the two is as easy as comparing candle light and the sun light. iOS is a killer!
David
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
A few things, I'm not taking anything away from Android, it's a brilliant OS. But it's success comes partly from their strategy. I'm not sure we would have the same numbers if the iPhone was equally priced. We have 50,000+ Android device activations in Kenya, primarily because of the IDEOS (which retails at 8,500 KES). The only other IOS device available in our retail stores is the iPhone 4, at 105,000 KES (Phone Express) and roughly 80,000 KES in other stores. We are comparing Apples and Oranges.
Google's model at the end of the day is going to scale. It was designed to scale. It's not possible for Apple to take over the market, even if they had the capacity because of anti-trust rules. Really, it's good for all.
As far as Nokia is concerned, if you really think about it, their last card was in going the Microsoft way. Really the only reason people are buying the IDEOS is because it has Android OS. Android is making devices hardware vendor indepenent. One can argue the same about Microsoft, but none of the others will have the sort of mindshare that Nokia will. If you think about it: Nexus one was made by HTC, Nexus S, Samsung, IDEOS Huawei. At a time when all the aforementioned hardware vendors had jumped ship to Android, it was to some extent to Nokia's benefit, because now, everyone seems to be waiting for the first Windows Phone 7 devices from Nokia.... -- With Regards,
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Well said Phares. The things you guys are saying are all true, but just like google the search engine was, android the OS is a revolution happening right before us, think of it as a soon to be way of life. In a the near future it will have evolved into things other than just a mobile devices OS... On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the comparison is moot. different markets. different expectations. Different swag. iPhone is for guys who want to buy once and forget. its an investment. apple devices last longer than any other brand because they are premium products built with premium materials. Android and their hardware are built for the masses. and thus the build quality and products are for the mass market. that there are more android users is obvious and that was the plan. whether it translates to higher profit margins for the manufacturers and google is another matter.
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:33 PM, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Comparing the two is as easy as comparing candle light and the sun light. iOS is a killer!
David
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
A few things, I'm not taking anything away from Android, it's a brilliant OS. But it's success comes partly from their strategy. I'm not sure we would have the same numbers if the iPhone was equally priced. We have 50,000+ Android device activations in Kenya, primarily because of the IDEOS (which retails at 8,500 KES). The only other IOS device available in our retail stores is the iPhone 4, at 105,000 KES (Phone Express) and roughly 80,000 KES in other stores. We are comparing Apples and Oranges.
Google's model at the end of the day is going to scale. It was designed to scale. It's not possible for Apple to take over the market, even if they had the capacity because of anti-trust rules. Really, it's good for all.
As far as Nokia is concerned, if you really think about it, their last card was in going the Microsoft way. Really the only reason people are buying the IDEOS is because it has Android OS. Android is making devices hardware vendor indepenent. One can argue the same about Microsoft, but none of the others will have the sort of mindshare that Nokia will. If you think about it: Nexus one was made by HTC, Nexus S, Samsung, IDEOS Huawei. At a time when all the aforementioned hardware vendors had jumped ship to Android, it was to some extent to Nokia's benefit, because now, everyone seems to be waiting for the first Windows Phone 7 devices from Nokia.... -- With Regards,
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Mark Mwangi
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@Mwangi 1-The quality of an Android phone depends on the brand you buy (Compare XOOM/Galaxy and IDEOS) 2-iPhone is for guys who want to buy once and forget? How many do you know with an iPhone 1? These are not cars. electronics become outdated in less than 3 years. People will have to move on man!
participants (10)
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David Mugo -
Frankline Chitwa -
James Nzomo -
Kago Kagichiri -
Kinuthia Ngugi -
Mark Mwangi -
Okechukwu -
Phares Kariuki -
Philip Musyoki -
Timothy Mutugi