Ignorance question on Web design..
Listers, my apology for the comments if they seem ignorant. ( if you followed my thread on asp hosting, I have a little experience on .asp... ) So I decided to check out some sites and to be amazed by all the developments in the sector, afterall I took a 5 year break and never did a commercial site. So I come across a site that does corporate business web design. Nicely done it is and has all the presentations. I decided to look at source..... and I could not believe it. CSS templates and one can download the templates as a rar files ( usual sites... ) . And source is html.... woaa! I was under the impression that everyone went to .php but seems not. Web design and development is like games development. Needs 2 different talents i.e Web Developer and Graphics artist. So I guess Graphics artist has been replaced by .rar files as templates. My question is : On skunks, are there any web developers / artists and why do they not contribute to the list? As an inspiration to others, where are their works or sites that one can visit and admire? Just wondering... :-)
Aki, they are there, see the links below: http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2009-June/005384.html http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2009-June/005482.html Aren't you supposed to be on leave? On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Listers, my apology for the comments if they seem ignorant. ( if you followed my thread on asp hosting, I have a little experience on .asp... ) So I decided to check out some sites and to be amazed by all the developments in the sector, afterall I took a 5 year break and never did a commercial site. So I come across a site that does corporate business web design. Nicely done it is and has all the presentations. I decided to look at source..... and I could not believe it. CSS templates and one can download the templates as a rar files ( usual sites... ) . And source is html.... woaa! I was under the impression that everyone went to .php but seems not.
Web design and development is like games development. Needs 2 different talents i.e Web Developer and Graphics artist. So I guess Graphics artist has been replaced by .rar files as templates.
My question is : On skunks, are there any web developers / artists and why do they not contribute to the list? As an inspiration to others, where are their works or sites that one can visit and admire?
Just wondering... :-)
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, they are there, see the links below: http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2009-June/005384.html http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2009-June/005482.html
Aren't you supposed to be on leave?
Hi @Peter, thnks for the links... " leave " yeah! hehehe... blame it on the daily uncontrol-able mind buzz... But am left wondering and confused even more. I left the web behind because I primarily used it as a tool or an internal platform ( these days called intranet? ). Years later, all this talk about open source, closed source, html, php etc, joomla, wordexpress, etc. RSS feeds ( java script : copy/paste? ) and coding etc and what do we have? Anyway, let me dig deeper and see what is out there..... Hope something exciting and. And btw, is it me who noticed or is it that there are no web developers / artists on skunks list? Post soon.... :-) Rgds.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:01 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Aki, they are there, see the links below: http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2009-June/005384.html http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2009-June/005482.html
Aren't you supposed to be on leave?
Hi @Peter, thnks for the links... " leave " yeah! hehehe... blame it on the daily uncontrol-able mind buzz...
But am left wondering and confused even more. I left the web behind because I primarily used it as a tool or an internal platform ( these days called intranet? ). Years later, all this talk about open source, closed source, html, php etc, joomla, wordexpress, etc. RSS feeds ( java script : copy/paste? ) and coding etc and what do we have?
Anyway, let me dig deeper and see what is out there..... Hope something exciting and. And btw, is it me who noticed or is it that there are no web developers / artists on skunks list?
Post soon.... :-)
Rgds.
And final comment for now. During our days, you could buy CDs for gif art etc to use on sites. My first site was based on netscape composer.... It would be nice to know from ISPs how much of traffic in kenya is from .rar sites ?
* * *Anyway, let me dig deeper and see what is out there..... Hope something exciting and. And btw, is it me who noticed or is it that there are no web developers / artists on skunks list?* I know there are web developers.. As for graphic artists maybe.. -- Josiah Mugambi Ogden Nash <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html> - "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat."
I know two skunks who are ninjitsu designers, They are right here on this list. They usually go overcover when someone unwittingly asks for opinions/criticisms on a new website. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
* * *Anyway, let me dig deeper and see what is out there..... Hope something exciting and. And btw, is it me who noticed or is it that there are no web developers / artists on skunks list?*
I know there are web developers..
As for graphic artists maybe..
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Peter, am not criticizing anyone not wish to offend anyone. Have just seen 2 bank sites done by dotsavvy.. Kweli, I already feel dizzy right now.. I cannot believe what am seeing in source.... java flash tools eg http://www.dynamicdrive.com/ . I mean for novices like me, such things can be forgiven but web developer/design companies doing same things? And imagine I took a commitment to write the byte meter from scratch code....kweli, what was I thinking? Right now, I think what I need is motivation from someone who has done things from scratch. I'll continue my search. :-( On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I know two skunks who are ninjitsu designers, They are right here on this list. They usually go overcover when someone unwittingly asks for opinions/criticisms on a new website.
I know quite a number of good developers, a few PSD=>(X)HTML/CSS/Javascript coders, and even fewer good graphic designers. Most guys in KE concentrate on PHP/ASP development and ignore html and photoshop for freecsstemplates.com and the like, I guess for economic reasons... On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:48 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Peter, am not criticizing anyone not wish to offend anyone. Have just seen 2 bank sites done by dotsavvy.. Kweli, I already feel dizzy right now.. I cannot believe what am seeing in source.... java flash tools eg http://www.dynamicdrive.com/ . I mean for novices like me, such things can be forgiven but web developer/design companies doing same things?
And imagine I took a commitment to write the byte meter from scratch code....kweli, what was I thinking? Right now, I think what I need is motivation from someone who has done things from scratch. I'll continue my search. :-(
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I know two skunks who are ninjitsu designers, They are right here on this list. They usually go overcover when someone unwittingly asks for opinions/criticisms on a new website.
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Hey paul, I use photoshop and its capabilites for editing my pics etc so am ok with slicing, layering techniques etc. Would you know what sites they've done? Rgds. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com>wrote:
I know quite a number of good developers, a few PSD=>(X)HTML/CSS/Javascript coders, and even fewer good graphic designers. Most guys in KE concentrate on PHP/ASP development and ignore html and photoshop for freecsstemplates.com and the like, I guess for economic reasons...
@aki, dont hold your breath. The really from scratch websites will be those done to some very specific customers who insist on a separate Ui designer and a separate behind the scenes implementer. Even then, it still makes sense to pick the psd and convert to a joomla or drupal theme cause then in future, you could tweak the css and re use the template elsewhere. Thats the reality of commercial web design and the reason guys at the middle pricing tier (less than 150k more than 50k ) are killing each other. That group unfortunately makes for most of the fraternity. On 10/13/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey paul, I use photoshop and its capabilites for editing my pics etc so am ok with slicing, layering techniques etc. Would you know what sites they've done?
Rgds. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Paul Njoroge <njorogekamau@gmail.com>wrote:
I know quite a number of good developers, a few PSD=>(X)HTML/CSS/Javascript coders, and even fewer good graphic designers. Most guys in KE concentrate on PHP/ASP development and ignore html and photoshop for freecsstemplates.com and the like, I guess for economic reasons...
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki, dont hold your breath....................
@Areba, thnks. I also discovered quite a lot today but will leave it to them as they know best and am sure they adapt to circumstances on the ground. I hope in the future when we do websites etc, they will share more across the platform on improvements etc. But I think I now understand Web101 quite well. A General comment : As my last query for this thread then goes to application developers whether desktop, mobile or server. Please do motivate some of us that there are people who are working on such and not " edit properties " of some programming code libraries free on the net. I'm starting to get reasonably somewhere at WMI and C# ( though still going to go for it for 3 years before I can say I'm there ) and looking at others who are ahead of the game and can share insights. Are there such people and what have they done or working on? With Rgds.
Ok, I give up on asking an questions though there is so much I can ask.... and in the process suspend the Mbyte Project. No loss for me, I can spend my quality time on other things. So this is confirmed : - There are no original coders ( or such are not on skunks lists ). - There are no original webbers ( or such are not on skunks lists ). At least Hyundai ( Mitsubishi based ) and Ssyangyong ( Mercedes engines based ) have labels... hehehe. To improve content on this list, I hope we hear more from such original coders and webbers. Otherwise, best of luck on your projects... :-)
@Aki. Now i am not against using others code in some circumstances like (i use wordpress :)) in a certain place). Anyway, The point is personally I self confess that i am an "Original Coder" as you put it. I develop ALL my code from scratch be it php, java, c# or javacript. but those are not my favorite languages and that explains why I have a loving preference for C/C++. YES I develop original code in C/C++ and push myself to optimize it to the bone and program direct to hardware. I have also coded in ix86 ASM. When i mention C++ I am not talking about MFC on Windows but on windows i prefer to go directly into the Win 32 API. The reason I code from scratch most of and all of the time is that it builds me as a developer and why i use C/C++ and ASM it allows me to get as close as possible to the hardware and allows me to truly understand what exactly is happening in my applications. SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 ----- Original Message ----- From: "aki" <aki275@googlemail.com> To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:52:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Ignorance question on Web design.. Ok, I give up on asking an questions though there is so much I can ask..... and in the process suspend the Mbyte Project. No loss for me, I can spend my quality time on other things. So this is confirmed : - There are no original coders ( or such are not on skunks lists ). - There are no original webbers ( or such are not on skunks lists ). At least Hyundai ( Mitsubishi based ) and Ssyangyong ( Mercedes engines based ) have labels... hehehe. To improve content on this list, I hope we hear more from such original coders and webbers. Otherwise, best of luck on your projects... :-) _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
By estimation if you were a web designer or developer how much would you charge for this site http://www.phoenixaviation.co.ke ? let me know,then will suprise you with how much the client paid for it. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
@Aki. Now i am not against using others code in some circumstances like (i use wordpress :)) in a certain place). Anyway, The point is personally I self confess that i am an "Original Coder" as you put it. I develop ALL my code from scratch be it php, java, c# or javacript. but those are not my favorite languages and that explains why I have a loving preference for C/C++. YES I develop original code in C/C++ and push myself to optimize it to the bone and program direct to hardware. I have also coded in ix86 ASM. When i mention C++ I am not talking about MFC on Windows but on windows i prefer to go directly into the Win 32 API. The reason I code from scratch most of and all of the time is that it builds me as a developer and why i use C/C++ and ASM it allows me to get as close as possible to the hardware and allows me to truly understand what exactly is happening in my applications.
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Ok, I give up on asking an questions though there is so much I can ask..... and in the process suspend the Mbyte Project. No loss for me, I can spend my quality time on other things. So this is confirmed :
- There are no original coders ( or such are not on skunks lists ).
- There are no original webbers ( or such are not on skunks lists ).
At least Hyundai ( Mitsubishi based ) and Ssyangyong ( Mercedes engines based ) have labels... hehehe.
To improve content on this list, I hope we hear more from such original coders and webbers.
Otherwise, best of luck on your projects... :-) _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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By estimation if you were a web designer or developer how much would you charge for this site http://www.phoenixaviation.co.ke ?
let me know,then will suprise you with how much the client paid for it.
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Reinventing the wheel does not constitute creativity n neither does it further a case for originality. Does it make sense to code a function for instance when it can be found all over? Is it not why we have open source and free templates,to tweak and move on? You can never be holier than thou when it comes to tech,one way or another you'll c&p. Originality stopped with Abacus. Why waste man hrs coding a 10k website and yet there tonnes of templates and scipts out there? From experience most clients are stilled wowed by this " ignorance &lack of originality" On 14/10/2009, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
By estimation if you were a web designer or developer how much would you charge for this site http://www.phoenixaviation.co.ke ?
let me know,then will suprise you with how much the client paid for it.
Nice work, does it have anything to do with the tents i have seen outside their hanger today?
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Please tell us!!!!! SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Njuki" <njukey@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:17:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Ignorance question on Web design.. By estimation if you were a web designer or developer how much would you charge for this site http://www.phoenixaviation.co.ke ? let me know,then will suprise you with how much the client paid for it. Nice work, does it have anything to do with the tents i have seen outside their hanger today? -- ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ 'spɹɐƃǝɹ ıʞnɾu pıʌɐp
@Koyier true, free scripts really make work and development easier. If you have deadlines e.t.c, you run to the freescripts. But these never help you as a developer. This can really hamper you especially if you have to do some custom project that has no free versions. @McDonald, well the site looks good. As a developer, I could not think up such a good design myself but given the design Id do it for about 30 - 40k. Its just simple html. I do original stuff in javascript, PHP and java and am learning openGL On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Please tell us!!!!!
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By estimation if you were a web designer or developer how much would you charge for this site http://www.phoenixaviation.co.ke ?
let me know,then will suprise you with how much the client paid for it. Nice work, does it have anything to do with the tents i have seen outside their hanger today?
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This discussion, especially the one about using free templates takes me back to the days when we were in class, being introduced to manufacturing. Especially the value, volume, variety paradigm. You can do web in any of the following ways. 1. Do volumes, minimize variety by using a set no of templates and work on capitalizing on the millions looking to enter the web. Youll make a decent income. 2. Variety, have small volumes per design. Even to at extent of one design per client, levy abnormal fees and work on smaller volumes. Youll still make a decent income. Analyzing these two models, you quickly realize both of you will get there, remaining there will however require different types of effort. To better understand the two, 1 would be compared to japanese car industry and 2 to the german car industry. To me both are valid models and i wouldnt prejudice any. My 2 cents. On 10/14/09, Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com> wrote:
@Koyier true, free scripts really make work and development easier. If you have deadlines e.t.c, you run to the freescripts. But these never help you as a developer. This can really hamper you especially if you have to do some custom project that has no free versions. @McDonald, well the site looks good. As a developer, I could not think up such a good design myself but given the design Id do it for about 30 - 40k. Its just simple html. I do original stuff in javascript, PHP and java and am learning openGL
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Please tell us!!!!!
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By estimation if you were a web designer or developer how much would you charge for this site http://www.phoenixaviation.co.ke ?
let me know,then will suprise you with how much the client paid for it. Nice work, does it have anything to do with the tents i have seen outside their hanger today?
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Ok, I give up on asking an questions though there is so much I can ask.... and in the process suspend the Mbyte Project. No loss for me, I can spend my quality time on other things. So this is confirmed :
- There are no original coders ( or such are not on skunks lists ).
- There are no original webbers ( or such are not on skunks lists ).
I guess with the advent of content management systems and apps that allow you to get a site up "in an hour" its kind of hard to find original coders nowadays, most people reuse existing code. I do so myself as am a sesonal web developer. For me i find It faster to do so when you have time constrains and a day job that keeps you busy. -- ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ 'spɹɐƃǝɹ ıʞnɾu pıʌɐp
I have done both copy paste and design from PSDs. I think it all depends on the user requirements of the client. if all we want is information, then copy paste and focus on delivery. If we need a sense of identity and control of functionality, then we design from PSD and code from scratch respectively. On 14/10/2009, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, I give up on asking an questions though there is so much I can ask.... and in the process suspend the Mbyte Project. No loss for me, I can spend my quality time on other things. So this is confirmed :
- There are no original coders ( or such are not on skunks lists ).
- There are no original webbers ( or such are not on skunks lists ).
I guess with the advent of content management systems and apps that allow you to get a site up "in an hour" its kind of hard to find original coders nowadays, most people reuse existing code. I do so myself as am a sesonal web developer.
For me i find It faster to do so when you have time constrains and a day job that keeps you busy.
-- ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ 'spɹɐƃǝɹ ıʞnɾu pıʌɐp
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Aki, what would you consider to be the most well built/well developed hardware/software respectively? My purpose is to dig deeper and find out if the makers of that device/app reused stuff or did it from scratch. I do agree with Dennis, its all depends on the situation. Sometimes it makes sense to reuse, sometimes it does not. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have done both copy paste and design from PSDs. I think it all depends on the user requirements of the client. if all we want is information, then copy paste and focus on delivery. If we need a sense of identity and control of functionality, then we design from PSD and code from scratch respectively.
On 14/10/2009, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, I give up on asking an questions though there is so much I can ask.... and in the process suspend the Mbyte Project. No loss for me, I can spend my quality time on other things. So this is confirmed :
- There are no original coders ( or such are not on skunks lists ).
- There are no original webbers ( or such are not on skunks lists ).
I guess with the advent of content management systems and apps that allow you to get a site up "in an hour" its kind of hard to find original coders nowadays, most people reuse existing code. I do so myself as am a sesonal web developer.
For me i find It faster to do so when you have time constrains and a day job that keeps you busy.
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* I have done both copy paste and design from PSDs. I think it all *>* depends on the user requirements of the client. *>* if all we want is information, then copy paste and focus on delivery. *>* If we need a sense of identity and control of functionality, then we *>* design from PSD and code from scratch respectively. *>* *>* On 14/10/2009, David Njuki <njukey at gmail.com<http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks>> wrote: *>* >> Ok, I give up on asking an questions though there is so much I can *>* ask.... *>* >> and in the process suspend the Mbyte Project. No loss for me, I can *>* spend *>* >> my *>* >> quality time on other things. So this is confirmed : *>* >> *>* >> - There are no original coders ( or such are not on skunks lists ). *>* >> *>* >> - There are no original webbers ( or such are not on skunks lists ). *>* >> *>* > *>* > I guess with the advent of content management systems and apps that allow *>* > you to get a site up "in an hour" its kind of hard to find original *>* coders *>* > nowadays, most people reuse existing code. I do so myself as am a sesonal *>* > web developer. *>* > *>* > For me i find It faster to do so when you have time constrains and a day *>* job *>* > that keeps you busy. *>* > *>* > --
@Peter, Dennis. For active coders and developers as yourself, your contributions are a big help. I've not problems with people re-using code libraries nor templates to get the job done as I understand the realities on the ground, though originality is something important. Either way, and as you have clarified, its depends on the work itself. But then there is a question. If there is so much availability of libraries and templates, how come the sector is not active on lists with on-going projects, development work etc? I was referring to those who are on this list but stay away. All of these things below are on google but worth discussions : Some points of contributions : - Template libraries or such - Photoshop libraries or such - Javascript Libraries, tools or such - Forms designs, code - Creation of local applications using available libraries - Creation of peers I cannot believe that so far I've not seen any thread defining what Web 1 or Web 2 is. Server side scripting, Ajax, Java Script, SilverLight, CSS, WordPress, Joomla, C++, classes, namespaces, Mobile Devices platforms ( eg symbian and C++, Microsoft Mobile etc ), Server side applications, etc. There is so much yet and thanks to @Rad, @Peter and @David replied to the thread. Anyway, if others do not want to contribute, I shall soon myself. :-) *Peter Karunyu* pkarunyu at gmail.com <skunkworks%40lists.my.co.ke?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BSkunkworks%5D%20Ignorance%20question%20on%20Web%20design..&In-Reply-To=%3C522a95920910140652q658aa975w232be002b75e6539%40mail.gmail.com%3E>wrote : Aki, what would you consider to be the most well built/well developed hardware/software respectively? My purpose is to dig deeper and find out if the makers of that device/app reused stuff or did it from scratch. I do agree with Dennis, its all depends on the situation. Sometimes it makes sense to reuse, sometimes it does not. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi at gmail.com<http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks>> wrote: *
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