Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there. Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers? On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ...
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Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ...
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I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT. On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ...
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I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver... On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ...
-- Watson Kambo
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Maybe its time for a different perspective? Ndemo has done his job. Dont forget, Ndemo was also an academic before being appointed. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ...
-- Watson Kambo
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If he brings on board the passion that Ndemo has then we are safe ... if you see Ndemo talk you just see a Techi ... On 23 April 2013 18:34, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe its time for a different perspective? Ndemo has done his job. Dont forget, Ndemo was also an academic before being appointed.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote:
I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ...
-- Watson Kambo
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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Stolen <<<<Here is his profile: Dr. Matiangi taught at the Literature Department, Faculty of Arts, University of Nairobi for seven years before undertaking post graduate training in Media and Politics in Africa. He also holds a Bachelor of Education degree from Kenyatta University, Kenya, a Master of Arts and PhD. in English from the University of Nairobi. >>>> On 23 April 2013 18:39, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
If he brings on board the passion that Ndemo has then we are safe ... if you see Ndemo talk you just see a Techi ...
On 23 April 2013 18:34, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe its time for a different perspective? Ndemo has done his job. Dont forget, Ndemo was also an academic before being appointed.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com>wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote:
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Traditionally it has been the PS running the ministry. Has this changed? If not, then Ndemo can remain as PS. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ...
-- Watson Kambo
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I stand with you Lawi, you very right lets hope that they don't shift the goal post On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Traditionally it has been the PS running the ministry. Has this changed? If not, then Ndemo can remain as PS.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote:
I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ...
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All Permanent Secretary positions are now recruiting. Applicants to be vetted by PSC and 60 to be shortlisted for president to select from those.
Dr matiangi has worked for state university of new york here in kenya. He is strong on governance issues. Could be good to get ICT well regulated. On Apr 23, 2013 7:11 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
All Permanent Secretary positions are now recruiting. Applicants to be vetted by PSC and 60 to be shortlisted for president to select from those.
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I think we always fail to look at how best things can move from where they are and always want the status quo. Am not saying Ndemo was not the best man for the job, but is he the only one that this list glorifies and thinks that if he is not there then the ICT sector is doomed? You can go far, but to go further, you need a different perspective! ./Ok3ch On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com>wrote:
Dr matiangi has worked for state university of new york here in kenya. He is strong on governance issues. Could be good to get ICT well regulated. On Apr 23, 2013 7:11 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
All Permanent Secretary positions are now recruiting. Applicants to be vetted by PSC and 60 to be shortlisted for president to select from those.
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some info here... http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Mickey Mickey <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
I stand with you Lawi, you very right lets hope that they don't shift the goal post
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Traditionally it has been the PS running the ministry. Has this changed? If not, then Ndemo can remain as PS.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com>wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for
This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has such a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor Martin.
... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers?
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I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ...
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Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally hilarious! *"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This could be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle or life status, or literally getting hit by a bus* On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for
This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has such a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
Martin.
... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote:
I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ...
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Some things need to be seen to have some form of continuity. That's why you have security of tenure in other areas - judiciary, for instance I wouldn't support a system that is disrupted every 5 years. There are some posts that need to be replaced if the incumbent has doesn't perform, resigns (willingly or otherwise), is hit by a bus (thanks Martin) etc, not just because of regime change. Ndemo's post is one of them, in MY opinion On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally hilarious!
*"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This could be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle or life status, or literally getting hit by a bus*
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for
This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has such a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
Martin.
... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com>wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote:
> I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ... > > > -- > Watson Kambo > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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The day you have policies in place such that a change of personnel does not disrupt anything, is the day the country will become a developed country ./Ok3ch On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Some things need to be seen to have some form of continuity. That's why you have security of tenure in other areas - judiciary, for instance
I wouldn't support a system that is disrupted every 5 years. There are some posts that need to be replaced if the incumbent has doesn't perform, resigns (willingly or otherwise), is hit by a bus (thanks Martin) etc, not just because of regime change.
Ndemo's post is one of them, in MY opinion
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally hilarious!
*"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This could be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle or life status, or literally getting hit by a bus*
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for
This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has such a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
Martin.
... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com>wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
> Was lecturer at Egerton...look there. > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ------------------------------ > From: Bernard Mwagiru > Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM > To: Skunkworks Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary > > I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the > net....Any pointers? > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ... >> >> >> -- >> Watson Kambo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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the delinking of Parliamentarians being ministers was the beginning of delinking politics from economy. Ndemo was a visionary and set the vision. sometimes i think anyone with a good mind and a good set of researchers can come up with world class policies if they set their minds to it....wouldnt any of us do the same? simple just study world leading ict ideas and replicate! but then again there are buses On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The day you have policies in place such that a change of personnel does not disrupt anything, is the day the country will become a developed country
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Some things need to be seen to have some form of continuity. That's why you have security of tenure in other areas - judiciary, for instance
I wouldn't support a system that is disrupted every 5 years. There are some posts that need to be replaced if the incumbent has doesn't perform, resigns (willingly or otherwise), is hit by a bus (thanks Martin) etc, not just because of regime change.
Ndemo's post is one of them, in MY opinion
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally hilarious!
*"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This could be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle or life status, or literally getting hit by a bus*
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for
This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has such a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
Martin.
... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com>wrote:
> Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field > of ICT? no hard-feelings > > > On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Was lecturer at Egerton...look there. >> >> >> Sent from my Windows Phone >> ------------------------------ >> From: Bernard Mwagiru >> Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM >> To: Skunkworks Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary >> >> I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the >> net....Any pointers? >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ... >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Watson Kambo >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Isaac Kiplagat. KIP® > > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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On that note, I think the concern for everyone (lister or not) with a passion and stake in the ICT sector is what if the new guy does not perform or is not seen to pilot or steer-head the industry in the right direction!! How would we raise this and can such a guy be replaced by public opinion or whatever the legal guys call it? ./TheMburu On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
the delinking of Parliamentarians being ministers was the beginning of delinking politics from economy. Ndemo was a visionary and set the vision. sometimes i think anyone with a good mind and a good set of researchers can come up with world class policies if they set their minds to it....wouldnt any of us do the same? simple just study world leading ict ideas and replicate! but then again there are buses
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The day you have policies in place such that a change of personnel does not disrupt anything, is the day the country will become a developed country
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Some things need to be seen to have some form of continuity. That's why you have security of tenure in other areas - judiciary, for instance
I wouldn't support a system that is disrupted every 5 years. There are some posts that need to be replaced if the incumbent has doesn't perform, resigns (willingly or otherwise), is hit by a bus (thanks Martin) etc, not just because of regime change.
Ndemo's post is one of them, in MY opinion
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally hilarious!
*"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This could be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle or life status, or literally getting hit by a bus*
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for
This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has such a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
Martin.
... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
> I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of > ICT. > > > On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this >> field of ICT? no hard-feelings >> >> >> On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Was lecturer at Egerton...look there. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>> ------------------------------ >>> From: Bernard Mwagiru >>> Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM >>> To: Skunkworks Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary >>> >>> I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the >>> net....Any pointers? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ... >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Watson Kambo >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Isaac Kiplagat. KIP® >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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ever heard of lobbying? Plus what really will he need to do to win our hearts? 10G services for free countrywide? Kenya just needs good fair policies, i hope at the very least we get that. Konza is already taken off and so has digital migration and 40% local content. Many things are already in place, On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:
On that note, I think the concern for everyone (lister or not) with a passion and stake in the ICT sector is what if the new guy does not perform or is not seen to pilot or steer-head the industry in the right direction!! How would we raise this and can such a guy be replaced by public opinion or whatever the legal guys call it?
./TheMburu
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
the delinking of Parliamentarians being ministers was the beginning of delinking politics from economy. Ndemo was a visionary and set the vision. sometimes i think anyone with a good mind and a good set of researchers can come up with world class policies if they set their minds to it....wouldnt any of us do the same? simple just study world leading ict ideas and replicate! but then again there are buses
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The day you have policies in place such that a change of personnel does not disrupt anything, is the day the country will become a developed country
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Some things need to be seen to have some form of continuity. That's why you have security of tenure in other areas - judiciary, for instance
I wouldn't support a system that is disrupted every 5 years. There are some posts that need to be replaced if the incumbent has doesn't perform, resigns (willingly or otherwise), is hit by a bus (thanks Martin) etc, not just because of regime change.
Ndemo's post is one of them, in MY opinion
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally hilarious!
*"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This could be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle or life status, or literally getting hit by a bus*
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote:
> I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is > the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this > industry yearn for >
This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has such a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
Martin.
> ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for > Ndemo to be the driver... > > > On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of >> ICT. >> >> >> On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this >>> field of ICT? no hard-feelings >>> >>> >>> On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Was lecturer at Egerton...look there. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> From: Bernard Mwagiru >>>> Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM >>>> To: Skunkworks Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary >>>> >>>> I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the >>>> net....Any pointers? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Watson Kambo >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Isaac Kiplagat. KIP® >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Watson Kambo > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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While thinking outside the box i find it interesting that in Kibaki's government professionals were also put in the areas where they were subject matter experts, they then embarked on their jobs with such zeal and passion however we lacked various policy underpinnings that could sustain the momentum. Reading through the former presidents contribution to Parliament, he had mastered this country and knew the buttons to touch hence there was a reason he went for subject matter experts, none the less, we will give the new government appointee a benefit of doubt , he deserves a chance as a Kenyan. On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
the delinking of Parliamentarians being ministers was the beginning of delinking politics from economy. Ndemo was a visionary and set the vision. sometimes i think anyone with a good mind and a good set of researchers can come up with world class policies if they set their minds to it....wouldnt any of us do the same? simple just study world leading ict ideas and replicate! but then again there are buses
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The day you have policies in place such that a change of personnel does not disrupt anything, is the day the country will become a developed country
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Some things need to be seen to have some form of continuity. That's why you have security of tenure in other areas - judiciary, for instance
I wouldn't support a system that is disrupted every 5 years. There are some posts that need to be replaced if the incumbent has doesn't perform, resigns (willingly or otherwise), is hit by a bus (thanks Martin) etc, not just because of regime change.
Ndemo's post is one of them, in MY opinion
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally hilarious!
*"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This could be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle or life status, or literally getting hit by a bus*
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for
This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has such a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
Martin.
... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
> I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of > ICT. > > > On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this >> field of ICT? no hard-feelings >> >> >> On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Was lecturer at Egerton...look there. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>> ------------------------------ >>> From: Bernard Mwagiru >>> Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM >>> To: Skunkworks Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary >>> >>> I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the >>> net....Any pointers? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ... >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Watson Kambo >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Isaac Kiplagat. KIP® >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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While thinking outside the box i find it interesting that in Kibaki's government professionals were also put in the areas where they were subject matter experts, they then embarked on their jobs with such zeal and passion however we lacked various policy underpinnings that could sustain the momentum. Reading through the former presidents contribution to Parliament, he had mastered this country and knew the buttons to touch hence there was a reason he went for subject matter experts, none the less, we will give the new government appointee a benefit of doubt , he deserves a chance as a Kenyan.
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the delinking of Parliamentarians being ministers was the beginning of delinking politics from economy. Ndemo was a visionary and set the vision. sometimes i think anyone with a good mind and a good set of researchers can come up with world class policies if they set their minds to it....wouldnt any of us do the same? simple just study world leading ict ideas and replicate! but then again there are buses
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The day you have policies in place such that a change of personnel does not disrupt anything, is the day the country will become a developed country
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
Some things need to be seen to have some form of continuity. That's why you have security of tenure in other areas - judiciary, for instance
I wouldn't support a system that is disrupted every 5 years. There are some posts that need to be replaced if the incumbent has doesn't perform, resigns (willingly or otherwise), is hit by a bus (thanks Martin) etc, not just because of regime change.
Ndemo's post is one of them, in MY opinion
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally hilarious!
*"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This could be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle or life status, or literally getting hit by a bus*
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote:
> I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is > the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this > industry yearn for >
This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has such a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
Martin.
> ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for > Ndemo to be the driver... > > > On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of >> ICT. >> >> >> On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this >>> field of ICT? no hard-feelings >>> >>> >>> On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Was lecturer at Egerton...look there. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> From: Bernard Mwagiru >>>> Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM >>>> To: Skunkworks Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary >>>> >>>> I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the >>>> net....Any pointers? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Watson Kambo >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Isaac Kiplagat. KIP® >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Watson Kambo > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
What i believe we are talking about here is a working functional bureaucracy that is somewhat loosely controlled by but not effectively changed by regime change. Think of the US bureaucracy. If Obama was to be assassinated today, there is unlikely to be a crisis as the bureaucracy would chug along with the laid down procedures. I think detaching cabinet portfolios from politics allows the bureaucrats to settle in and performance contracts can finally be enforced. This is where the Ndemos of this world and leave the public antics to the likes of Sonko. On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
there is 1 qualification which will bring huge impact even if the cabinet secretary was dumb. Integrity.......
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
While thinking outside the box i find it interesting that in Kibaki's government professionals were also put in the areas where they were subject matter experts, they then embarked on their jobs with such zeal and passion however we lacked various policy underpinnings that could sustain the momentum. Reading through the former presidents contribution to Parliament, he had mastered this country and knew the buttons to touch hence there was a reason he went for subject matter experts, none the less, we will give the new government appointee a benefit of doubt , he deserves a chance as a Kenyan.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
the delinking of Parliamentarians being ministers was the beginning of delinking politics from economy. Ndemo was a visionary and set the vision. sometimes i think anyone with a good mind and a good set of researchers can come up with world class policies if they set their minds to it....wouldnt any of us do the same? simple just study world leading ict ideas and replicate! but then again there are buses
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The day you have policies in place such that a change of personnel does not disrupt anything, is the day the country will become a developed country
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com>wrote:
Some things need to be seen to have some form of continuity. That's why you have security of tenure in other areas - judiciary, for instance
I wouldn't support a system that is disrupted every 5 years. There are some posts that need to be replaced if the incumbent has doesn't perform, resigns (willingly or otherwise), is hit by a bus (thanks Martin) etc, not just because of regime change.
Ndemo's post is one of them, in MY opinion
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally hilarious!
*"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This could be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle or life status, or literally getting hit by a bus*
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is >> the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this >> industry yearn for >> > > This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has such > a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor > > Martin. > > >> ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for >> Ndemo to be the driver... >> >> >> On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge >>> of ICT. >>> >>> >>> On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this >>>> field of ICT? no hard-feelings >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Was lecturer at Egerton...look there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> From: Bernard Mwagiru >>>>> Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM >>>>> To: Skunkworks Mailing List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary >>>>> >>>>> I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the >>>>> net....Any pointers? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Watson Kambo >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Isaac Kiplagat. KIP® >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Watson Kambo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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"If it ain't broken, don't fix it!" - Albert Einstein(or not). In my opinion, Ndemo would be the most qualified for this since we have seen what he can do! Case closed! I need you skunks to educate me a bit, I thought with the new way of doing things in the Gov. we would see nominees who were experts in the various subject matters? I searched all day but did not see any I.T-related qualification for that ICT Cabinet Secretary? None at all, not even an online certificate in Microsoft Word? Why is that? On 24 April 2013 22:04, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What i believe we are talking about here is a working functional bureaucracy that is somewhat loosely controlled by but not effectively changed by regime change. Think of the US bureaucracy. If Obama was to be assassinated today, there is unlikely to be a crisis as the bureaucracy would chug along with the laid down procedures.
I think detaching cabinet portfolios from politics allows the bureaucrats to settle in and performance contracts can finally be enforced. This is where the Ndemos of this world and leave the public antics to the likes of Sonko.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
there is 1 qualification which will bring huge impact even if the cabinet secretary was dumb. Integrity.......
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
While thinking outside the box i find it interesting that in Kibaki's government professionals were also put in the areas where they were subject matter experts, they then embarked on their jobs with such zeal and passion however we lacked various policy underpinnings that could sustain the momentum. Reading through the former presidents contribution to Parliament, he had mastered this country and knew the buttons to touch hence there was a reason he went for subject matter experts, none the less, we will give the new government appointee a benefit of doubt , he deserves a chance as a Kenyan.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
the delinking of Parliamentarians being ministers was the beginning of delinking politics from economy. Ndemo was a visionary and set the vision. sometimes i think anyone with a good mind and a good set of researchers can come up with world class policies if they set their minds to it....wouldnt any of us do the same? simple just study world leading ict ideas and replicate! but then again there are buses
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
The day you have policies in place such that a change of personnel does not disrupt anything, is the day the country will become a developed country
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com>wrote:
Some things need to be seen to have some form of continuity. That's why you have security of tenure in other areas - judiciary, for instance
I wouldn't support a system that is disrupted every 5 years. There are some posts that need to be replaced if the incumbent has doesn't perform, resigns (willingly or otherwise), is hit by a bus (thanks Martin) etc, not just because of regime change.
Ndemo's post is one of them, in MY opinion
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally > hilarious! > > *"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This could > be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle or > life status, or literally getting hit by a bus* > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri < > martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is >>> the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this >>> industry yearn for >>> >> >> This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has such >> a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor >> >> Martin. >> >> >>> ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished >>> for Ndemo to be the driver... >>> >>> >>> On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge >>>> of ICT. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this >>>>> field of ICT? no hard-feelings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Was lecturer at Egerton...look there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> From: Bernard Mwagiru >>>>>> Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM >>>>>> To: Skunkworks Mailing List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary >>>>>> >>>>>> I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the >>>>>> net....Any pointers? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Watson Kambo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Isaac Kiplagat. KIP® >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Watson Kambo >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Regards, > Peter Karunyu > ------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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@Moses - Maybe you have been used to shitty service that you think it aint broken. What if some new blood makes you see the shit you have been living in? Then you'll scream if it aint broken again? C'mon, change of gueard does not mean that the previous occupier was underperforming, it just means there might be a new way of doing things and achieving greater results. ./Ok3ch On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Moses M.G <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
"If it ain't broken, don't fix it!" - Albert Einstein(or not). In my opinion, Ndemo would be the most qualified for this since we have seen what he can do! Case closed!
I need you skunks to educate me a bit, I thought with the new way of doing things in the Gov. we would see nominees who were experts in the various subject matters? I searched all day but did not see any I.T-related qualification for that ICT Cabinet Secretary? None at all, not even an online certificate in Microsoft Word? Why is that?
On 24 April 2013 22:04, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What i believe we are talking about here is a working functional bureaucracy that is somewhat loosely controlled by but not effectively changed by regime change. Think of the US bureaucracy. If Obama was to be assassinated today, there is unlikely to be a crisis as the bureaucracy would chug along with the laid down procedures.
I think detaching cabinet portfolios from politics allows the bureaucrats to settle in and performance contracts can finally be enforced. This is where the Ndemos of this world and leave the public antics to the likes of Sonko.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
there is 1 qualification which will bring huge impact even if the cabinet secretary was dumb. Integrity.......
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
While thinking outside the box i find it interesting that in Kibaki's government professionals were also put in the areas where they were subject matter experts, they then embarked on their jobs with such zeal and passion however we lacked various policy underpinnings that could sustain the momentum. Reading through the former presidents contribution to Parliament, he had mastered this country and knew the buttons to touch hence there was a reason he went for subject matter experts, none the less, we will give the new government appointee a benefit of doubt , he deserves a chance as a Kenyan.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com
wrote:
the delinking of Parliamentarians being ministers was the beginning of delinking politics from economy. Ndemo was a visionary and set the vision. sometimes i think anyone with a good mind and a good set of researchers can come up with world class policies if they set their minds to it....wouldnt any of us do the same? simple just study world leading ict ideas and replicate! but then again there are buses
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote:
The day you have policies in place such that a change of personnel does not disrupt anything, is the day the country will become a developed country
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com>wrote:
> Some things need to be seen to have some form of continuity. That's > why you have security of tenure in other areas - judiciary, for instance > > I wouldn't support a system that is disrupted every 5 years. There > are some posts that need to be replaced if the incumbent has doesn't > perform, resigns (willingly or otherwise), is hit by a bus (thanks Martin) > etc, not just because of regime change. > > Ndemo's post is one of them, in MY opinion > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally >> hilarious! >> >> *"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This >> could be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle >> or life status, or literally getting hit by a bus* >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri < >> martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is >>>> the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this >>>> industry yearn for >>>> >>> >>> This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has >>> such a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor >>> >>> Martin. >>> >>> >>>> ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished >>>> for Ndemo to be the driver... >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge >>>>> of ICT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this >>>>>> field of ICT? no hard-feelings >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Was lecturer at Egerton...look there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> From: Bernard Mwagiru >>>>>>> Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM >>>>>>> To: Skunkworks Mailing List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the >>>>>>> net....Any pointers? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo < >>>>>>> wkwats@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Watson Kambo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Isaac Kiplagat. 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On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Moses M.G <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
"If it ain't broken, don't fix it!" - Albert Einstein(or not). In my opinion, Ndemo would be the most qualified for this since we have seen what he can do! Case closed!
Wrong mentality. If it ain't broken, get some more metrics, identify a systemic issue that you were not aware of, fix it. Rinse and repeat.
I need you skunks to educate me a bit, I thought with the new way of doing things in the Gov. we would see nominees who were experts in the various subject matters? I searched all day but did not see any I.T-related qualification for that ICT Cabinet Secretary? None at all, not even an online certificate in Microsoft Word? Why is that?
On 24 April 2013 22:04, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What i believe we are talking about here is a working functional bureaucracy that is somewhat loosely controlled by but not effectively changed by regime change. Think of the US bureaucracy. If Obama was to be assassinated today, there is unlikely to be a crisis as the bureaucracy would chug along with the laid down procedures.
I think detaching cabinet portfolios from politics allows the bureaucrats to settle in and performance contracts can finally be enforced. This is where the Ndemos of this world and leave the public antics to the likes of Sonko.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
there is 1 qualification which will bring huge impact even if the cabinet secretary was dumb. Integrity.......
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
While thinking outside the box i find it interesting that in Kibaki's government professionals were also put in the areas where they were subject matter experts, they then embarked on their jobs with such zeal and passion however we lacked various policy underpinnings that could sustain the momentum. Reading through the former presidents contribution to Parliament, he had mastered this country and knew the buttons to touch hence there was a reason he went for subject matter experts, none the less, we will give the new government appointee a benefit of doubt , he deserves a chance as a Kenyan.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com
wrote:
the delinking of Parliamentarians being ministers was the beginning of delinking politics from economy. Ndemo was a visionary and set the vision. sometimes i think anyone with a good mind and a good set of researchers can come up with world class policies if they set their minds to it....wouldnt any of us do the same? simple just study world leading ict ideas and replicate! but then again there are buses
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote:
The day you have policies in place such that a change of personnel does not disrupt anything, is the day the country will become a developed country
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com>wrote:
> Some things need to be seen to have some form of continuity. That's > why you have security of tenure in other areas - judiciary, for instance > > I wouldn't support a system that is disrupted every 5 years. There > are some posts that need to be replaced if the incumbent has doesn't > perform, resigns (willingly or otherwise), is hit by a bus (thanks Martin) > etc, not just because of regime change. > > Ndemo's post is one of them, in MY opinion > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally >> hilarious! >> >> *"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This >> could be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle >> or life status, or literally getting hit by a bus* >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri < >> martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is >>>> the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this >>>> industry yearn for >>>> >>> >>> This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has >>> such a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor >>> >>> Martin. >>> >>> >>>> ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished >>>> for Ndemo to be the driver... >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge >>>>> of ICT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this >>>>>> field of ICT? no hard-feelings >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Was lecturer at Egerton...look there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> From: Bernard Mwagiru >>>>>>> Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM >>>>>>> To: Skunkworks Mailing List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the >>>>>>> net....Any pointers? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo < >>>>>>> wkwats@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Watson Kambo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Isaac Kiplagat. KIP® >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Watson Kambo >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Peter Karunyu >> ------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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+1 on continous improvement On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Laban Mwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Moses M.G <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
"If it ain't broken, don't fix it!" - Albert Einstein(or not). In my opinion, Ndemo would be the most qualified for this since we have seen what he can do! Case closed!
Wrong mentality. If it ain't broken, get some more metrics, identify a systemic issue that you were not aware of, fix it. Rinse and repeat.
I need you skunks to educate me a bit, I thought with the new way of doing things in the Gov. we would see nominees who were experts in the various subject matters? I searched all day but did not see any I.T-related qualification for that ICT Cabinet Secretary? None at all, not even an online certificate in Microsoft Word? Why is that?
On 24 April 2013 22:04, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What i believe we are talking about here is a working functional bureaucracy that is somewhat loosely controlled by but not effectively changed by regime change. Think of the US bureaucracy. If Obama was to be assassinated today, there is unlikely to be a crisis as the bureaucracy would chug along with the laid down procedures.
I think detaching cabinet portfolios from politics allows the bureaucrats to settle in and performance contracts can finally be enforced. This is where the Ndemos of this world and leave the public antics to the likes of Sonko.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
there is 1 qualification which will bring huge impact even if the cabinet secretary was dumb. Integrity.......
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
While thinking outside the box i find it interesting that in Kibaki's government professionals were also put in the areas where they were subject matter experts, they then embarked on their jobs with such zeal and passion however we lacked various policy underpinnings that could sustain the momentum. Reading through the former presidents contribution to Parliament, he had mastered this country and knew the buttons to touch hence there was a reason he went for subject matter experts, none the less, we will give the new government appointee a benefit of doubt , he deserves a chance as a Kenyan.
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Joram Mwinamo < joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
the delinking of Parliamentarians being ministers was the beginning of delinking politics from economy. Ndemo was a visionary and set the vision. sometimes i think anyone with a good mind and a good set of researchers can come up with world class policies if they set their minds to it....wouldnt any of us do the same? simple just study world leading ict ideas and replicate! but then again there are buses
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote:
> The day you have policies in place such that a change of personnel > does not disrupt anything, is the day the country will become a developed > country > > ./Ok3ch > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Bwana Lawi <mail2lawi@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Some things need to be seen to have some form of continuity. That's >> why you have security of tenure in other areas - judiciary, for instance >> >> I wouldn't support a system that is disrupted every 5 years. There >> are some posts that need to be replaced if the incumbent has doesn't >> perform, resigns (willingly or otherwise), is hit by a bus (thanks Martin) >> etc, not just because of regime change. >> >> Ndemo's post is one of them, in MY opinion >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Hehehe, @Martin, that explanation of *bus factor* is totally >>> hilarious! >>> >>> *"Getting hit by a bus" could take many different forms. This >>> could be a person taking a new job, having a baby, changing their lifestyle >>> or life status, or literally getting hit by a bus* >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri < >>> martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he >>>>> is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this >>>>> industry yearn for >>>>> >>>> >>>> This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has >>>> such a low bus factor .... >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor >>>> >>>> Martin. >>>> >>>> >>>>> ... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished >>>>> for Ndemo to be the driver... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau < >>>>> solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in >>>>>> charge of ICT. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat < >>>>>> isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this >>>>>>> field of ICT? no hard-feelings >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Was lecturer at Egerton...look there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> From: Bernard Mwagiru >>>>>>>> Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM >>>>>>>> To: Skunkworks Mailing List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the >>>>>>>> net....Any pointers? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo < >>>>>>>> wkwats@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Watson Kambo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Isaac Kiplagat. 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On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
What i believe we are talking about here is a working functional bureaucracy that is somewhat loosely controlled by but not effectively changed by regime change. Think of the US bureaucracy. If Obama was to be assassinated today, there is unlikely to be a crisis as the bureaucracy would chug along with the laid down procedures.
@Mark, on a light note, I think you just made this list become watched even more by using two specific words in the same sentence...
As for the other 14 cabinet slots - Mbus factor (or null Mbus factor). On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel Ndemo should have been on that list on that post ... he is the best guy and he has the blue print to the future that we in this industry yearn for
This statement makes one feel that the Kenyan ICT industry has such a low bus factor .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor
Martin.
... I do not say Dr Fred will not do it but I would have wished for Ndemo to be the driver...
On 23 April 2013 18:27, Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Ndemo will be nominated as Principal Secretary in charge of ICT.
On 23 April 2013 18:23, Isaac Kiplagat <isaac.kiplagat@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you think and theoretical lecture can add any value to this field of ICT? no hard-feelings
On 23 April 2013 18:21, Paul Roy Owino <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Was lecturer at Egerton...look there.
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: Bernard Mwagiru Sent: 4/23/2013 5:59 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] ICT Cabinet Secretary
I cannot find Fred Okengo Makiang'i resume anywhere on the net....Any pointers?
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com>wrote:
I was wishing for PS Ndemo to make it to ICT Post ...
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participants (20)
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Barrack Otieno -
Bwana Lawi -
Dennis Kioko -
Isaac Kiplagat -
Joram Mwinamo -
Kiti Chigiri -
Laban Mwangi -
Mark Mwangi -
Martin Chiteri -
Mickey Mickey -
Moses M.G -
Nicholas Mutinda -
O.B. Murithi -
Okechukwu -
Paul Roy Owino -
Peter Karunyu -
Raymond Rono -
Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau -
TheMburu George -
Watson Kambo