Many Users, One Computer - help me solve this!
*The situation* An organisation I work with has members who need access to a computer and access to the internet. For example, to type a CV and then email it out. The organisation only has one computer available for use by these members at the moment and I notice that one or two people tend to hog the machine all day. *My Proposed Solution* Install “cyber cafe” like software that can handle multiple log in accounts to manage the large number of users by: - Keeping a log of who was logged in at what time - Restrict each user account to 60mins computer use per day after which you are locked out of the system until the next day. - Access is free so it does not need to contain any billing software. - An "Admin" account would be able to log in to add/remove users, add/remove mins from a user, check logs etc - This is a stand alone lone ranger machine so it will have to act as server, client kila kitu. Hopefully we can replicate this solution in the field offices outside Nairobi. - The computer will most probably be running Ubuntu however, this is flexible. *My Cry For Help* Does such a solution exist? Please share if you know of any. Even better if you have built one or implement such solutions. Also considering the situation is there another better way to tackle the problem that I am over looking? Thanks D -- Ni Wakati! Pamoja!
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-security/pare... http://www.google.co.ke/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=windows+user+sessi... use Windows 7, or Windows XP or Windows Vista
On 24 June 2011 14:30, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-security/pare...
http://www.google.co.ke/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=windows+user+sessi... use Windows 7, or Windows XP or Windows Vista
Thanks for the heads up Dennis,
From the page I found out about these two programmes that seem to do what I need
http://www.timesupkidz.com/ http://www.parentalsoftware.org/chaperone.html
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
*The situation*
An organisation I work with has members who need access to a computer and access to the internet. For example, to type a CV and then email it out.
The organisation only has one computer available for use by these members at the moment and I notice that one or two people tend to hog the machine all day.
@Daudi, asante for the posting and Tuko Pamoja. :-) You are looking for professional advice. In developed countries where the govts look after their citizens through unemployment welfare benefits or other facilties, sharing Open Knowledge is not an issue. In developing countries, where skills can also mean daily survival, please do the necessary. This thread is marked as professional advice and needs a bidding amount set by someone on skunks who can invoice for services rendered. ( IMHO ) Bidding is Open to all Skunks members. Asante. -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
@Daudi, asante for the posting and Tuko Pamoja. :-)
You are looking for professional advice. In developed countries where the govts look after their citizens through unemployment welfare benefits or other facilties, sharing Open Knowledge is not an issue. In developing countries, where skills can also mean daily survival, please do the necessary.
Aki yes I am. I asked for people who deploy or even build such systems. You are the one who is assuming that I do not consider it a professional request.
This thread is marked as professional advice and needs a bidding amount set by someone on skunks who can invoice for services rendered. ( IMHO )
What service rendered? You want people to bid on what exactly? We do not even know what solution we are looking at yet. Explain this further (dare I say professionally) When someone proposes a solution you I then engage them and try to come to agreement with them for their services. At this stage you need to explain what the bidding amount is for. Also please quote precedent and explain to us (well maybe me) why it is more efficient and effective. Daudi
Bidding is Open to all Skunks members.
Asante.
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@Daudi, please find answers inline. :-) On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
@Daudi, asante for the posting and Tuko Pamoja. :-)
You are looking for professional advice. In developed countries where the govts look after their citizens through unemployment welfare benefits or other facilties, sharing Open Knowledge is not an issue. In developing countries, where skills can also mean daily survival, please do the necessary.
Aki yes I am. I asked for people who deploy or even build such systems. You are the one who is assuming that I do not consider it a professional request.
That's great. Sorry I must have missed out that you wanted help but not a professional request for services to be rendered. My bad.
This thread is marked as professional advice and needs a bidding amount set by someone on skunks who can invoice for services rendered. ( IMHO )
What service rendered?
The knowledgeable services that you are in search off.
You want people to bid on what exactly?
To provide you with a professional advice on how to resolve your problem. They can bid as they seem fit to help you close the problem.
We do not even know what solution we are looking at yet. Explain this further (dare I say professionally)
It's you who does not know what solution you are looking for thus the reason you asked for help, the rest on this list already know it and can provide you with further details at a fee ofcourse. Hey, lets support the local guys since innovation can be fakely used to get money, at least the services sector professionals are not a farce.
When someone proposes a solution you I then engage them and try to come to agreement with them for their services. At this stage you need to explain what the bidding amount is for. Also please quote precedent and explain to us (well maybe me) why it is more efficient and effective.
Relax, don't shoot the messenger. I hope someone onlist will bid to your query and respond with a minimum bid amount to resolve your problem. :-) -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
Relax, don't shoot the messenger. I hope someone onlist will bid to your query and respond with a minimum bid amount to resolve your problem. :-)
Aki, you'll forgive me for me for finding it irritating when someone can not or refuses to defend their position sufficiently. Sorry, you are going to have to defend this positions (if for nothing else, to educate me on the point you are making). Here is a scenario: I walked into a computer shop a few years ago and asked for a device that could print and scan. I was told the various options available, I bought the one most suitable for my needs. I went to the same shop a couple of months later and asked for a computer that was fast enough for video editing, they told me the various options available, I bought the most suitable one for my budget. At no point did the staff in the shop ask that I pay them to tell me which computer or which printer/scanner to buy. That information was supplied so that I could make a decision. I could have very easily walked out and into a shop next door and bought the stuff there. This was your shop (or one that you were connected to at least) why do you not apply your own principles as advocated in this thread to your shop? Why not charge potential customers for the providing advice on which computer they should buy? Would you find it reasonable for a computer shop to charge you to inform you of what RAM for instance would work best with your motherboard? Let's discuss this. If you feel my examples are not a fair comparison, explain why. D
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Relax, don't shoot the messenger. I hope someone onlist will bid to your query and respond with a minimum bid amount to resolve your problem. :-)
Aki, you'll forgive me for me for finding it irritating when someone can not or refuses to defend their position sufficiently. Sorry, you are going to have to defend this positions (if for nothing else, to educate me on the point you are making).
Here is a scenario: I walked into a computer shop a few years ago and asked for a device that could print and scan. I was told the various options available, I bought the one most suitable for my needs. I went to the same shop a couple of months later and asked for a computer that was fast enough for video editing, they told me the various options available, I bought the most suitable one for my budget.
At no point did the staff in the shop ask that I pay them to tell me which computer or which printer/scanner to buy. That information was supplied so that I could make a decision. I could have very easily walked out and into a shop next door and bought the stuff there.
This was your shop (or one that you were connected to at least) why do you not apply your own principles as advocated in this thread to your shop? Why not charge potential customers for the providing advice on which computer they should buy? Would you find it reasonable for a computer shop to charge you to inform you of what RAM for instance would work best with your motherboard?
Let's discuss this.
If you feel my examples are not a fair comparison, explain why.
@Daudi, thanks very much that you did buy from the shop and I appreciate it. :-) Though I don't play any major role and my role is specific to the online site, I wish one day to offer speciality services and at least some of my developed software. Then it will mean product = sales people and speciality product/solutions services = time and consultancy ( and the meter is ticking ) . Separate the goods market and the services/solutions market, you'll see what I mean. At least for those who are trying to survive on services & consultancy from skills, they should have the chance to bid for work on this list because you are a potential client for them asking for free info to make a decision on a service oriented product-solution. Suppose someone told you linux can do it, they can configure the system on a used pc, how then would you decide? labour charges or linux charges? I'm not going to bid nor have I ever done so, but I have a service background so know what am writing about. -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
Aki I am glad we are having this discussion because your latest explanation makes even less sense in my opinion and would welcome your further thoughts. You say we should "Separate the goods market and the services/solutions market". Why? Aren’t some goods “solutions”. If I need a solution to the problem of having to type out a CV then the solution is a good i.e/ a computer. The distinction you have created makes no real world sense. Why is it that I can walk into your shop and ask for advice about hardware without a peep of complaint for you, yet if I ask a question on Skunkworks looking for solutions (which, incidentally, could also be hardware) you would expect me to initiate a bidding process? Let's take this down to the lowest denominator. You are implying that advice on hardware should be treated differently from advice on software. Why? This is illogical and does not make sense and in fact even you do not follow your own advice. For example, if I walk into a shop and ask for advice on whether I should buy Windows7 or Windows Vista would you expect me to pay for that information? I think not. You would expect me to pay for the proposed solution if I decide to take it. So why is it that when I ask for advice on Skunkworks I should initiate a bidding process? Why not implement the policy you advocate repeatedly on this list in your shop?
From my initial question I have now been presented with three options. Two different pieces of software one retailing at USD 30 another at USD 59 as well as a hardware solution a Firewall retailing at USD 850. I will have to make a decision and then I WILL PAY at that point for what I need and that will make whoever developed/built the solution I choose happy!
Your not very thought out bidding/tendering process reeks of a banana republic government which adds layers and layers of red tape for no benefit to anyone at all. In addition how exactly are we supposed to find out about what solutions exist if you want us to pay to access the information on those solutions? and remember we are talking about KSH 3000 - KSH 5000 software here. How do you expect the developers you purport to be defending to find out what the market wants if you expect the market to pay to ask questions? Microsoft, Apple do not charge you to find out what Windows7 or OSX does. They charge you when you actually purchase the software. How is asking questions on Skunkworks different from this? I’ll stop there and look forward to your response because in my opinion this tactic of yours is dangerous in that it achieves the exact opposite of you claim it does, your tactic does not help developers/coders/manufacturers, it hurts them. D On 24 June 2011 15:59, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Relax, don't shoot the messenger. I hope someone onlist will bid to your query and respond with a minimum bid amount to resolve your problem. :-)
Aki, you'll forgive me for me for finding it irritating when someone can not or refuses to defend their position sufficiently. Sorry, you are going to have to defend this positions (if for nothing else, to educate me on the point you are making).
Here is a scenario: I walked into a computer shop a few years ago and asked for a device that could print and scan. I was told the various options available, I bought the one most suitable for my needs. I went to the same shop a couple of months later and asked for a computer that was fast enough for video editing, they told me the various options available, I bought the most suitable one for my budget.
At no point did the staff in the shop ask that I pay them to tell me which computer or which printer/scanner to buy. That information was supplied so that I could make a decision. I could have very easily walked out and into a shop next door and bought the stuff there.
This was your shop (or one that you were connected to at least) why do you not apply your own principles as advocated in this thread to your shop? Why not charge potential customers for the providing advice on which computer they should buy? Would you find it reasonable for a computer shop to charge you to inform you of what RAM for instance would work best with your motherboard?
Let's discuss this.
If you feel my examples are not a fair comparison, explain why.
@Daudi, thanks very much that you did buy from the shop and I appreciate it. :-) Though I don't play any major role and my role is specific to the online site, I wish one day to offer speciality services and at least some of my developed software. Then it will mean product = sales people and speciality product/solutions services = time and consultancy ( and the meter is ticking ) .
Separate the goods market and the services/solutions market, you'll see what I mean. At least for those who are trying to survive on services & consultancy from skills, they should have the chance to bid for work on this list because you are a potential client for them asking for free info to make a decision on a service oriented product-solution. Suppose someone told you linux can do it, they can configure the system on a used pc, how then would you decide? labour charges or linux charges?
I'm not going to bid nor have I ever done so, but I have a service background so know what am writing about.
-- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
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@Daudi, Dennis sorted you out on a goodwill basis and this has been the essence of skunks in which we all share the goodwill until we discovered that there are others on this list who also make an income from such queries and felt rightfully so that we are not doing the right thing. I believe the bidding process is a step to protect and create an enterprise environment for those who would wish to quote for the work or even basic consultancy. Unlike other sectors where Non Disclosure Agreements and IP rights are thought of even before anything gets done I believe things in skunks are slowly changing. If you can suggest another consultacy method that can work and create enterprise for skunks, the more merrier. I thought of a bidding system where whoever responds to your query would have rightfully earned some income from their knowledge. @Dennis answered your query but did not receive any financial benefit for his technical expertise but in an ideal situation there would be some gratitude going beyond thanks. We have people who advertise on this list, suppose someone said they could offer the same goods free? How then does it work? Once again I'd like you to put the discussion into a skills perspective ( under a service industry ) and try to understand the situation. If you are offended, then you definately have my apology on the issue of not having explained earlier what we are trying to achieve. Anyway, I believe it is upto skunks to decide and not me. Rgds. :-)
Aki, Dennis did help but far from sorting me out. He gave me a link to a Google search. From which I was able to find more information. So really your enemy is Google and the flow of information. What expertise is this that you keep trumpeting one Google search can render obselete? Now, let me share an illustration which demonstrates how Dennis approach to Skunkworks does more for developers or anyone who has to work for a living than your proposed tendering process. I asked a question on a Friday afternoon I got two responses, one from Dennis with links to where I could get more information the other response was yours.
From the reading the links Dennis shared and diving a little deeper I learnt about two pieces of software that would work in our situation. On Saturday we made two purchases. For the software and for the OS to run that software as the computer we intend to use did not have the OS required by the software. On Sunday we tested the set up On Monday the system is up and running on location.
So in three days, over a weekend remember, I paid a developer for their system, bought an OS made by a team of developers - and the system is deployed = very happy developers. Now let us assume I used your system: We would still be talking about tender documents, bidding processes, launching due process etc. Dennis' approach, which is the whole approach Skunkworks is built upon, actually ensures developers get paid. Your approach, adds unnecessary bureaucracy for no benefit to anyone. Let me drive this point home, if you follow the links Dennis supplied you find that the same question is asked on Microsoft forum, where you can ask questions for free. So all you would do if you implemented this bidding process of yours is drive traffic and money away from Skunkworks. Secondly, developing a revenue making model from information that can be obtained by one Google search is NOT the business model you should be encoruaging anywhere leave alone on the forum of key techies in Kenya. For example, how much are you willing to pay me for me to tell you where Nakumatt BuruBuru is or where Macmillan Library is? Would you go through a bidding process for that information? I suspect not! So what is the difference here as both the Nakumatt location question and my question were answered by one Google search? Now there is information that can not be obtained so easily, that perhaps is where you need to focus your energies. So I suggest that you examine each question you come across on Skunkworks carefully, before simply cutting and pasting the same bunch of paragraphs over and over again. That is if your aim is to add value to this forum. Again, to prove the worth of your theories here on the need to bid for general information, I suggest that we use your shop as a test model. Start demanding payment from your potential customers before you answer any of their questions and report back to us on how it has affected your sales positively or negatively. Daudi On 26 June 2011 00:43, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Daudi,
Dennis sorted you out on a goodwill basis and this has been the essence of skunks in which we all share the goodwill until we discovered that there are others on this list who also make an income from such queries and felt rightfully so that we are not doing the right thing. I believe the bidding process is a step to protect and create an enterprise environment for those who would wish to quote for the work or even basic consultancy. Unlike other sectors where Non Disclosure Agreements and IP rights are thought of even before anything gets done I believe things in skunks are slowly changing.
If you can suggest another consultacy method that can work and create enterprise for skunks, the more merrier. I thought of a bidding system where whoever responds to your query would have rightfully earned some income from their knowledge. @Dennis answered your query but did not receive any financial benefit for his technical expertise but in an ideal situation there would be some gratitude going beyond thanks.
We have people who advertise on this list, suppose someone said they could offer the same goods free? How then does it work? Once again I'd like you to put the discussion into a skills perspective ( under a service industry ) and try to understand the situation. If you are offended, then you definately have my apology on the issue of not having explained earlier what we are trying to achieve.
Anyway, I believe it is upto skunks to decide and not me.
Rgds. :-)
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Nicely put Daudi :-) On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki,
Dennis did help but far from sorting me out. He gave me a link to a Google search. From which I was able to find more information. So really your enemy is Google and the flow of information. What expertise is this that you keep trumpeting one Google search can render obselete?
Now, let me share an illustration which demonstrates how Dennis approach to Skunkworks does more for developers or anyone who has to work for a living than your proposed tendering process.
I asked a question on a Friday afternoon I got two responses, one from Dennis with links to where I could get more information the other response was yours.
From the reading the links Dennis shared and diving a little deeper I learnt about two pieces of software that would work in our situation. On Saturday we made two purchases. For the software and for the OS to run that software as the computer we intend to use did not have the OS required by the software. On Sunday we tested the set up On Monday the system is up and running on location.
So in three days, over a weekend remember, I paid a developer for their system, bought an OS made by a team of developers - and the system is deployed = very happy developers.
Now let us assume I used your system:
We would still be talking about tender documents, bidding processes, launching due process etc.
Dennis' approach, which is the whole approach Skunkworks is built upon, actually ensures developers get paid. Your approach, adds unnecessary bureaucracy for no benefit to anyone.
Let me drive this point home, if you follow the links Dennis supplied you find that the same question is asked on Microsoft forum, where you can ask questions for free. So all you would do if you implemented this bidding process of yours is drive traffic and money away from Skunkworks. Secondly, developing a revenue making model from information that can be obtained by one Google search is NOT the business model you should be encoruaging anywhere leave alone on the forum of key techies in Kenya. For example, how much are you willing to pay me for me to tell you where Nakumatt BuruBuru is or where Macmillan Library is? Would you go through a bidding process for that information? I suspect not! So what is the difference here as both the Nakumatt location question and my question were answered by one Google search? Now there is information that can not be obtained so easily, that perhaps is where you need to focus your energies. So I suggest that you examine each question you come across on Skunkworks carefully, before simply cutting and pasting the same bunch of paragraphs over and over again. That is if your aim is to add value to this forum.
Again, to prove the worth of your theories here on the need to bid for general information, I suggest that we use your shop as a test model. Start demanding payment from your potential customers before you answer any of their questions and report back to us on how it has affected your sales positively or negatively.
Daudi
On 26 June 2011 00:43, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Daudi,
Dennis sorted you out on a goodwill basis and this has been the essence of skunks in which we all share the goodwill until we discovered that there are others on this list who also make an income from such queries and felt rightfully so that we are not doing the right thing. I believe the bidding process is a step to protect and create an enterprise environment for those who would wish to quote for the work or even basic consultancy. Unlike other sectors where Non Disclosure Agreements and IP rights are thought of even before anything gets done I believe things in skunks are slowly changing.
If you can suggest another consultacy method that can work and create enterprise for skunks, the more merrier. I thought of a bidding system where whoever responds to your query would have rightfully earned some income from their knowledge. @Dennis answered your query but did not receive any financial benefit for his technical expertise but in an ideal situation there would be some gratitude going beyond thanks.
We have people who advertise on this list, suppose someone said they could offer the same goods free? How then does it work? Once again I'd like you to put the discussion into a skills perspective ( under a service industry ) and try to understand the situation. If you are offended, then you definately have my apology on the issue of not having explained earlier what we are trying to achieve.
Anyway, I believe it is upto skunks to decide and not me.
Rgds. :-)
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@Daudi, thanks for the writeup, some comments inline. :-) On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki,
Dennis did help but far from sorting me out. He gave me a link to a Google search. From which I was able to find more information. So really your enemy is Google and the flow of information. What expertise is this that you keep trumpeting one Google search can render obselete?
I believe from your post that you are not really a technical person so it is understood that searching on google for a solution is not easy for you. Why not pay someone who has the expertise to not only point you in the right direction but take away the headache of even bothering with what and why? In some countries this could be called out-sourcing.
Now, let me share an illustration which demonstrates how Dennis approach to Skunkworks does more for developers or anyone who has to work for a living than your proposed tendering process.
I asked a question on a Friday afternoon I got two responses, one from Dennis with links to where I could get more information the other response was yours.
From the reading the links Dennis shared and diving a little deeper I learnt about two pieces of software that would work in our situation. On Saturday we made two purchases. For the software and for the OS to run that software as the computer we intend to use did not have the OS required by the software. On Sunday we tested the set up On Monday the system is up and running on location.
So in three days, over a weekend remember, I paid a developer for their system, bought an OS made by a team of developers - and the system is deployed = very happy developers.
Well done, this is the norm when a solution is already defined and in place. The rollout is pretty easy and sometimes can be done in a matter of hours, even when done by remote engineers. You just outsourced the entire process.
Now let us assume I used your system:
We would still be talking about tender documents, bidding processes, launching due process etc.
Now you sound pissed off, so I'll not comment on this. :-)
Dennis' approach, which is the whole approach Skunkworks is built upon, actually ensures developers get paid. Your approach, adds unnecessary bureaucracy for no benefit to anyone.
Let me drive this point home, if you follow the links Dennis supplied you find that the same question is asked on Microsoft forum, where you can ask questions for free. So all you would do if you implemented this bidding process of yours is drive traffic and money away from Skunkworks.
Actually not drive away any traffic but invite many who are in search of basic or even expert tech expertise help and also enable an enterprise environment. Not sure if you have followed any developers forums out there, there are specific ones that invite potential clients from all over the world so that they can build software for them and they also have bidding systems in place. The forums become a bridge.
Secondly, developing a revenue making model from information that can be obtained by one Google search is NOT the business model you should be encoruaging anywhere leave alone on the forum of key techies in Kenya. For example, how much are you willing to pay me for me to tell you where Nakumatt BuruBuru is or where Macmillan Library is? Would you go through a bidding process for that information? I suspect not! So what is the difference here as both the Nakumatt location question and my question were answered by one Google search? Now there is information that can not be obtained so easily, that perhaps is where you need to focus your energies. So I suggest that you examine each question you come across on Skunkworks carefully, before simply cutting and pasting the same bunch of paragraphs over and over again. That is if your aim is to add value to this forum.
As an example even mobile developers are creating useless GPS Apps knowing that Maps exist. Many of us never even bother with such tiny and cumbersome apps that frequently hang, cannot triangulate properly and kill the phone battery too quickly so the best next choice is to get a Garmin or buy an A-Z Maps. Now the question is, why should mobile apps developers need to create such Apps when people can read maps? Is my aim to add value to skunks, definately yes but it seems this will not be an easy task, given the kind of comments I'm reading from you.
Again, to prove the worth of your theories here on the need to bid for general information, I suggest that we use your shop as a test model. Start demanding payment from your potential customers before you answer any of their questions and report back to us on how it has affected your sales positively or negatively.
Daudi
Assume that I had technology specialists as sales people who were not dealing in almost self-explanatory products, then there would be a need to revise a business model, though that is not my responsibility. You are welcome to critique the website and take that up with me on what you feel is a better way forward and I'll definately see what can be done, I'm sure I can put some of my theories into practise. Rgds. -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
Aki, you sound like a gava procurement officer..tihihihi.! On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki,
Dennis did help but far from sorting me out. He gave me a link to a Google search. From which I was able to find more information. So really your enemy is Google and the flow of information. What expertise is this that you keep trumpeting one Google search can render obselete?
Now, let me share an illustration which demonstrates how Dennis approach to Skunkworks does more for developers or anyone who has to work for a living than your proposed tendering process.
I asked a question on a Friday afternoon I got two responses, one from Dennis with links to where I could get more information the other response was yours.
From the reading the links Dennis shared and diving a little deeper I learnt about two pieces of software that would work in our situation. On Saturday we made two purchases. For the software and for the OS to run that software as the computer we intend to use did not have the OS required by the software. On Sunday we tested the set up On Monday the system is up and running on location.
So in three days, over a weekend remember, I paid a developer for their system, bought an OS made by a team of developers - and the system is deployed = very happy developers.
Now let us assume I used your system:
We would still be talking about tender documents, bidding processes, launching due process etc.
Dennis' approach, which is the whole approach Skunkworks is built upon, actually ensures developers get paid. Your approach, adds unnecessary bureaucracy for no benefit to anyone.
Let me drive this point home, if you follow the links Dennis supplied you find that the same question is asked on Microsoft forum, where you can ask questions for free. So all you would do if you implemented this bidding process of yours is drive traffic and money away from Skunkworks. Secondly, developing a revenue making model from information that can be obtained by one Google search is NOT the business model you should be encoruaging anywhere leave alone on the forum of key techies in Kenya. For example, how much are you willing to pay me for me to tell you where Nakumatt BuruBuru is or where Macmillan Library is? Would you go through a bidding process for that information? I suspect not! So what is the difference here as both the Nakumatt location question and my question were answered by one Google search? Now there is information that can not be obtained so easily, that perhaps is where you need to focus your energies. So I suggest that you examine each question you come across on Skunkworks carefully, before simply cutting and pasting the same bunch of paragraphs over and over again. That is if your aim is to add value to this forum.
Again, to prove the worth of your theories here on the need to bid for general information, I suggest that we use your shop as a test model. Start demanding payment from your potential customers before you answer any of their questions and report back to us on how it has affected your sales positively or negatively.
Daudi
On 26 June 2011 00:43, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Daudi,
Dennis sorted you out on a goodwill basis and this has been the essence of skunks in which we all share the goodwill until we discovered that there are others on this list who also make an income from such queries and felt rightfully so that we are not doing the right thing. I believe the bidding process is a step to protect and create an enterprise environment for those who would wish to quote for the work or even basic consultancy. Unlike other sectors where Non Disclosure Agreements and IP rights are thought of even before anything gets done I believe things in skunks are slowly changing.
If you can suggest another consultacy method that can work and create enterprise for skunks, the more merrier. I thought of a bidding system where whoever responds to your query would have rightfully earned some income from their knowledge. @Dennis answered your query but did not receive any financial benefit for his technical expertise but in an ideal situation there would be some gratitude going beyond thanks.
We have people who advertise on this list, suppose someone said they could offer the same goods free? How then does it work? Once again I'd like you to put the discussion into a skills perspective ( under a service industry ) and try to understand the situation. If you are offended, then you definately have my apology on the issue of not having explained earlier what we are trying to achieve.
Anyway, I believe it is upto skunks to decide and not me.
Rgds. :-)
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