Re: [Skunkworks] Summary of Meeting with Dr.Ndemo on Tueday at 6 pm
Thanks Clement, We can add a few summaries [pls pardon any misquotation, there was alot of info passed and im drawing this frm memory] : -There was a promise by Alex Gakuru/ICT board for support of IT community through a 3 stage funding by the World Bank 1) training for a 1000 software managers - to be determined by a criteria 2) provision for 1,000,000 laptops to kenyans - to be determined by criteria 3) i cannot remember the third point - but it has to do with support of IT/ICT/Development projects [which I would assume includes the support for content generation for local use] *DR. Ndemo* -The digital villages did not take off as expected. The youth despite the urgency to create jobs did not respond to calls for training and taking up ownership/running of the digital villages [the northern part of kenya (that claims to be marginalised) - only 8 participants showed up --- 8 participants !!] -One of the reasons for digital villages was to make available "content" for kenyans through gathering of grassroots statistics like population, facts, economic dynamics - etc - In turn, due to support for electric self sufficiency of these digital villages [solar, wind, etc] - the owners can garner income thru: mobile charging, photocopying, printing government documents [like P3s, job applications for government], hosting workshops, folks can call thru Voip to distant relatives, cyber cafe services - and etc etc (thru such services, the digital village provides justice, reduces corruption, collects information, makes business, creates youth employment) -The current events for building infrastructure like the fibre is inline with the vision 2030 for Kenya. The government cannot help you set up an enterprise - it can only enable you to do so thru such projects as fibre, and creation of friendly policies that protect your intellectual property, enables your work [eg software] to have value, etc etc -The vision 2030 covers 3 main pillars - aside from the popular 'economic' renaissance ->economic pillar ->social pillar - equity [not the 'members' bank] but equal opportunity for all ->political pillar-politics to be issue based, politicians to take risks and not fear lack of re-elections -example - politics based on popularisms e.g passing the "maternity leave for men" bill make politicians popular but affect our economy... *CONTENT* -Dr Ndemo talked about preachers appearing on our own version of 'youtube' so that those of us in diaspora can catch up with home sermons. This also includes those who pretend to work in the office and love the gospel - they can catch up with more constructive episodes online. -The provision of local and accurate videos online for example traditional dances that can be sold to those studying culture. This can be sold ! I know of a Kenyan studying in Japan a few months ago who was hired by a kindergarten school to show the kids an 'african dance'. [pics on facebook] He found a kikoi in a crafts shop that had maasai patterns. Then he and a friend performed an 'isikuti' dance in maasai attire. But how could they ever know the difference ? The kids were quite happy to see an 'African dance'. -We can also throw Kamaru and Mike Rua, Sukuma Bin Ongwaro etc on our own version of youtube and charge subscription for those in 'diaspora' - think USD. 5 dollars for 1000 kenyans for a period = USD 5000 dollars. -In summary the world needs our content - and we need our content -Digitising of government information and putting it online for easy availability. This alone can create numerous jobs and revenue. Dr. Ndemo talked of trying to do a research one day to find out the number of Internet users. He was directed to a mountain of files [am sure you have a picture,,, the dust, the makonge strings, the musky odour] and he was told to look through those. Now imagine if this was searchable through a computer database after categorising and serialising the documents [jobs]. -Registration of phone numbers - to identify a user to a number -Product information online and pricing, aside from availability - eg for pharmacies, electronics etc.. this can save one alot of driving around. -Exams, pass papers, research papers provision online, online assignments - you can charge per download [or per click :) ] thru deals with institutions like the university. Students globally are always repeating the same things we did 15 years ago... why not charge for content provision. -However, Dr Ndemo warned on pricing - charge cheaply and the masses can afford. ksh 2 X 1 million = 2 million. -The problem with some content/services pricing is someone trying to pay their rent/car loan with a few big sales - this discourages buyers, and encourages piracy -Digital TVs - provision of over 1000 channels . This provides a huge market for advertising. I was also thinking - what about building the database ? -The AGOA issue is well covered by Josiah on his blog http://blog.josiahmugambi.com/2009/08/dr-ndemo-skunkworks.html -And yes its true - there is no native word for 'enterpreneur' or 'breaking even' or 'positive productivity' in our languages -Example of some of our decisions : Policies such as land division are flawed. The farmers have subdivided their land so-o much that they are no longer viable to support food for the normal 1 year of crop production -It took some of us 40 years to realize that coffee and tea are no longer profitable [think small scale farming] - we stick to various businesses that barely break - when in reality, their time has passed. [google "the 5 stages of small business" - the last stage is not very good news for those of use with small businesses, but changes do happen and will happen - we need to change too] * **Bret Bullington* Bret is from silicon valley and is on kenya for a while. Joe Mucheru called him a capital venturelist [who could actually fund/promote your ideas]. Bret's short speech advised us not to re-invent the wheel because most of the opportunities we are looking at now have been tried and tested in the USA since the advent of computers in the 70s, the internet bubble in the 80s and now the age of the portability. We should look at what is working else where and try it here. [This reminds me that Japan began as copiers, now they are the leaders.] He advised to borrow ideas and sell them in our own country. For example, he quoted two German brothers whose keeness [is there such a word?] is to 'borrow' new ideas and adapt them in Germany. They took 'facebook' and tried to introduce it in Germany. A television company bought 'their' idea - and they moved on to fetch and adapt another,, and another,,,
On my 'curtain raiser' announcement before the PS spoke.. Adding my contribution to this 'crowd-sourced' blog entry:-) On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, ndungu stephen<ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
-There was a promise by Alex Gakuru/ICT board for support of IT community through a 3 stage funding by the World Bank
1) training for a 1000 software managers - to be determined by a criteria
see below
2) provision for 1,000,000 laptops to kenyans - to be determined by criteria
I am a member (representing FOSS and ICt consumers) in multi-stakeholder steering committee appointed by the PS that is jangling with the 1 million laptops implementation parameters/framework. Included also are hardware vendors(Intel and HP), Microsoft, banks, universities, University students, World Bank, telecommunication companies, ICT Village, community ICT development organisation, among others, led by the Kenya ICT Board. Polished detailed will be publicly announced once the committee thrashes out the many surrounding issues. This is a Ministry of Information and Communications initiative, being implemented by the ICT Board with participation of diverse ICT stakeholders. Paul Kukubo Chairs this committee.
3) i cannot remember the third point - but it has to do with support of IT/ICT/Development projects [which I would assume includes the support for content generation for local use]
Thanks for making time for skunkworks meeting... We were pleased PS Ndemo found time to speak to us. Kenya now has a grant US$ 3 million (Kshs 240 million) over next 2 years from the World Bank. Funds to be used for ICT incubation partner institutions support. The partners include universities and institutions that will provide incubator facilities (e.g.land/premises) The ministry of Information, through Kenya ICT Board, will facilitate the incubators with industry linkages and promotion of those facilities The second component Software Projects Management Certification. Targeting 1,000 local software developers, this will support them have internationally recognised Software Development Standards-will attract business. The third component will involve assistance on software Intellectual Property protection e.g. patenting games, animation, and other local patentable digital innovations. PS reiterated, there are more local content development. funds available at the ICT Board. I asked for the governments plans on O3Bnetwork.com?on the To assure connectivity throughout Kenya/far flung areas. (Someone please contribute the response..) Appreciated Multi Media University's continued support. Venue was their courtesy donation to skunkworks. ICT Board was thanked for sponsoring chai and mandazi. Mr. Jotham Mwale represented MMU - gave vote of thanks. I hope this illuminates further and that you can make use of the opportunities presented. Sincerely, Alex Gakuru
on the issue of developing " our own you tube" isnt this re-inventing the wheel. i think we should take care not to waste to a lot of time developing content that is already available while you could be improving and adapting it to suite you better. On 06/08/2009, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 'curtain raiser' announcement before the PS spoke..
Adding my contribution to this 'crowd-sourced' blog entry:-)
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, ndungu stephen<ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
-There was a promise by Alex Gakuru/ICT board for support of IT community through a 3 stage funding by the World Bank
1) training for a 1000 software managers - to be determined by a criteria
see below
2) provision for 1,000,000 laptops to kenyans - to be determined by criteria
I am a member (representing FOSS and ICt consumers) in multi-stakeholder steering committee appointed by the PS that is jangling with the 1 million laptops implementation parameters/framework. Included also are hardware vendors(Intel and HP), Microsoft, banks, universities, University students, World Bank, telecommunication companies, ICT Village, community ICT development organisation, among others, led by the Kenya ICT Board.
Polished detailed will be publicly announced once the committee thrashes out the many surrounding issues. This is a Ministry of Information and Communications initiative, being implemented by the ICT Board with participation of diverse ICT stakeholders. Paul Kukubo Chairs this committee.
3) i cannot remember the third point - but it has to do with support of IT/ICT/Development projects [which I would assume includes the support for content generation for local use]
Thanks for making time for skunkworks meeting... We were pleased PS Ndemo found time to speak to us.
Kenya now has a grant US$ 3 million (Kshs 240 million) over next 2 years from the World Bank.
Funds to be used for ICT incubation partner institutions support. The partners include universities and institutions that will provide incubator facilities (e.g.land/premises) The ministry of Information, through Kenya ICT Board, will facilitate the incubators with industry linkages and promotion of those facilities
The second component Software Projects Management Certification. Targeting 1,000 local software developers, this will support them have internationally recognised Software Development Standards-will attract business.
The third component will involve assistance on software Intellectual Property protection e.g. patenting games, animation, and other local patentable digital innovations.
PS reiterated, there are more local content development. funds available at the ICT Board.
I asked for the governments plans on O3Bnetwork.com?on the To assure connectivity throughout Kenya/far flung areas. (Someone please contribute the response..)
Appreciated Multi Media University's continued support. Venue was their courtesy donation to skunkworks. ICT Board was thanked for sponsoring chai and mandazi.
Mr. Jotham Mwale represented MMU - gave vote of thanks.
I hope this illuminates further and that you can make use of the opportunities presented.
Sincerely,
Alex Gakuru _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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We always complain about little local content, did you know Kanyans are so busy and cannot cope with destroying local content? Last year I asked media folks to donate their content their editors deemed unusable.. they destroy video footage, pictures, stories, etc, very painful..I offered to be their loyal garbage collector:-) But they asked me to buy it. I even set-up mashinani.co.ke and mashinaninews.co.ke. What's wrong with us? On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Dennis Kioko<dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
on the issue of developing " our own you tube" isnt this re-inventing the wheel. i think we should take care not to waste to a lot of time developing content that is already available while you could be improving and adapting it to suite you better.
On 06/08/2009, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 'curtain raiser' announcement before the PS spoke..
Adding my contribution to this 'crowd-sourced' blog entry:-)
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, ndungu stephen<ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
-There was a promise by Alex Gakuru/ICT board for support of IT community through a 3 stage funding by the World Bank
1) training for a 1000 software managers - to be determined by a criteria
see below
2) provision for 1,000,000 laptops to kenyans - to be determined by criteria
I am a member (representing FOSS and ICt consumers) in multi-stakeholder steering committee appointed by the PS that is jangling with the 1 million laptops implementation parameters/framework. Included also are hardware vendors(Intel and HP), Microsoft, banks, universities, University students, World Bank, telecommunication companies, ICT Village, community ICT development organisation, among others, led by the Kenya ICT Board.
Polished detailed will be publicly announced once the committee thrashes out the many surrounding issues. This is a Ministry of Information and Communications initiative, being implemented by the ICT Board with participation of diverse ICT stakeholders. Paul Kukubo Chairs this committee.
3) i cannot remember the third point - but it has to do with support of IT/ICT/Development projects [which I would assume includes the support for content generation for local use]
Thanks for making time for skunkworks meeting... We were pleased PS Ndemo found time to speak to us.
Kenya now has a grant US$ 3 million (Kshs 240 million) over next 2 years from the World Bank.
Funds to be used for ICT incubation partner institutions support. The partners include universities and institutions that will provide incubator facilities (e.g.land/premises) The ministry of Information, through Kenya ICT Board, will facilitate the incubators with industry linkages and promotion of those facilities
The second component Software Projects Management Certification. Targeting 1,000 local software developers, this will support them have internationally recognised Software Development Standards-will attract business.
The third component will involve assistance on software Intellectual Property protection e.g. patenting games, animation, and other local patentable digital innovations.
PS reiterated, there are more local content development. funds available at the ICT Board.
I asked for the governments plans on O3Bnetwork.com?on the To assure connectivity throughout Kenya/far flung areas. (Someone please contribute the response..)
Appreciated Multi Media University's continued support. Venue was their courtesy donation to skunkworks. ICT Board was thanked for sponsoring chai and mandazi.
Mr. Jotham Mwale represented MMU - gave vote of thanks.
I hope this illuminates further and that you can make use of the opportunities presented.
Sincerely,
Alex Gakuru _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- with Regards: Find out how you can own your own TFT T.V. at a fraction of the cost on my blog: http://gramware.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Gakuru Alex<alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, ndungu stephen<ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
-There was a promise by Alex Gakuru/ICT board for support of IT community through a 3 stage funding by the World Bank
1) training for a 1000 software managers - to be determined by a criteria
For clarity's sakes, the story from the ICT Board was published on Business Daily, "To address the problem the government is proposing to facilitate the setting up of a Centre of Excellence for BPO training. In addition it is keen to support the local IT/BPO industry by improving its access to high quality IT skills. It is proposed to tap a Sh240 million from the Kenya Transparency & Communications Infrastructure Project for taking up the development of internationally bench-marked IT skills. The government has plans to use part of these funds to improve on the expertise of developers" ... <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/641402/-/item/1/-/cyg43q/-/index.html> Today they've published a very informative in-depth "Techies join forces to combat pirated software" -- unfortunately not available online.
I really hope the IT community takes advantage of these new opportunities - It would be a joy to be able to match India in terms of IT prowess... In south korea, I understand that all the IT manufacturing and software solution must come from within south korea - if they dont have it - copy or emulate - and then sell it locally... This keeps their economy on a high and encourages local industries and innovations.. But it has also kept their forex on a low: because locking out external trade has a way of doing this to your forex...
Ndungu Steven / Josiah Mugambi, Salute to you guyz.Man cant imagine u managed to draw all this back from your memory. Having been there,I call this the real representation. Good work!!! Chris_w. dabnix@gmail.com On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks Clement,
We can add a few summaries [pls pardon any misquotation, there was alot of info passed and im drawing this frm memory] :
-There was a promise by Alex Gakuru/ICT board for support of IT community through a 3 stage funding by the World Bank
1) training for a 1000 software managers - to be determined by a criteria 2) provision for 1,000,000 laptops to kenyans - to be determined by criteria 3) i cannot remember the third point - but it has to do with support of IT/ICT/Development projects [which I would assume includes the support for content generation for local use]
*DR. Ndemo*
-The digital villages did not take off as expected. The youth despite the urgency to create jobs did not respond to calls for training and taking up ownership/running of the digital villages
[the northern part of kenya (that claims to be marginalised) - only 8 participants showed up --- 8 participants !!]
-One of the reasons for digital villages was to make available "content" for kenyans through gathering of grassroots statistics like population, facts, economic dynamics - etc - In turn, due to support for electric self sufficiency of these digital villages [solar, wind, etc] - the owners can garner income thru: mobile charging, photocopying, printing government documents [like P3s, job applications for government], hosting workshops, folks can call thru Voip to distant relatives, cyber cafe services - and etc etc
(thru such services, the digital village provides justice, reduces corruption, collects information, makes business, creates youth employment)
-The current events for building infrastructure like the fibre is inline with the vision 2030 for Kenya. The government cannot help you set up an enterprise - it can only enable you to do so thru such projects as fibre, and creation of friendly policies that protect your intellectual property, enables your work [eg software] to have value, etc etc
-The vision 2030 covers 3 main pillars - aside from the popular 'economic' renaissance
->economic pillar ->social pillar - equity [not the 'members' bank] but equal opportunity for all ->political pillar-politics to be issue based, politicians to take risks and not fear lack of re-elections -example - politics based on popularisms e.g passing the "maternity leave for men" bill make politicians popular but affect our economy...
*CONTENT*
-Dr Ndemo talked about preachers appearing on our own version of 'youtube' so that those of us in diaspora can catch up with home sermons. This also includes those who pretend to work in the office and love the gospel - they can catch up with more constructive episodes online.
-The provision of local and accurate videos online for example traditional dances that can be sold to those studying culture. This can be sold ! I know of a Kenyan studying in Japan a few months ago who was hired by a kindergarten school to show the kids an 'african dance'. [pics on facebook] He found a kikoi in a crafts shop that had maasai patterns. Then he and a friend performed an 'isikuti' dance in maasai attire. But how could they ever know the difference ? The kids were quite happy to see an 'African dance'.
-We can also throw Kamaru and Mike Rua, Sukuma Bin Ongwaro etc on our own version of youtube and charge subscription for those in 'diaspora' - think USD. 5 dollars for 1000 kenyans for a period = USD 5000 dollars.
-In summary the world needs our content - and we need our content
-Digitising of government information and putting it online for easy availability. This alone can create numerous jobs and revenue.
Dr. Ndemo talked of trying to do a research one day to find out the number of Internet users. He was directed to a mountain of files [am sure you have a picture,,, the dust, the makonge strings, the musky odour] and he was told to look through those. Now imagine if this was searchable through a computer database after categorising and serialising the documents [jobs].
-Registration of phone numbers - to identify a user to a number
-Product information online and pricing, aside from availability - eg for pharmacies, electronics etc.. this can save one alot of driving around.
-Exams, pass papers, research papers provision online, online assignments - you can charge per download [or per click :) ] thru deals with institutions like the university. Students globally are always repeating the same things we did 15 years ago... why not charge for content provision.
-However, Dr Ndemo warned on pricing - charge cheaply and the masses can afford. ksh 2 X 1 million = 2 million. -The problem with some content/services pricing is someone trying to pay their rent/car loan with a few big sales - this discourages buyers, and encourages piracy
-Digital TVs - provision of over 1000 channels . This provides a huge market for advertising. I was also thinking - what about building the database ?
-The AGOA issue is well covered by Josiah on his blog http://blog.josiahmugambi.com/2009/08/dr-ndemo-skunkworks.html
-And yes its true - there is no native word for 'enterpreneur' or 'breaking even' or 'positive productivity' in our languages
-Example of some of our decisions : Policies such as land division are flawed. The farmers have subdivided their land so-o much that they are no longer viable to support food for the normal 1 year of crop production
-It took some of us 40 years to realize that coffee and tea are no longer profitable [think small scale farming] - we stick to various businesses that barely break - when in reality, their time has passed.
[google "the 5 stages of small business" - the last stage is not very good news for those of use with small businesses, but changes do happen and will happen - we need to change too]
* **Bret Bullington*
Bret is from silicon valley and is on kenya for a while. Joe Mucheru called him a capital venturelist [who could actually fund/promote your ideas].
Bret's short speech advised us not to re-invent the wheel because most of the opportunities we are looking at now have been tried and tested in the USA since the advent of computers in the 70s, the internet bubble in the 80s and now the age of the portability.
We should look at what is working else where and try it here. [This reminds me that Japan began as copiers, now they are the leaders.]
He advised to borrow ideas and sell them in our own country. For example, he quoted two German brothers whose keeness [is there such a word?] is to 'borrow' new ideas and adapt them in Germany. They took 'facebook' and tried to introduce it in Germany. A television company bought 'their' idea - and they moved on to fetch and adapt another,, and another,,, _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
I took notes :) Josiah Mugambi +254 738 504418 http://blog.josiahmugambi.com * SK Classifeds... Visit stockskenya.co.ke for more info. * Get a .ke @ 2900/- a year VAT incl. @ pct.co.ke On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Chris W. <dabnix@gmail.com> wrote:
Ndungu Steven / Josiah Mugambi,
Salute to you guyz.Man cant imagine u managed to draw all this back from your memory. Having been there,I call this the real representation.
Good work!!!
Chris_w. dabnix@gmail.com
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks Clement,
We can add a few summaries [pls pardon any misquotation, there was alot of info passed and im drawing this frm memory] :
-There was a promise by Alex Gakuru/ICT board for support of IT community through a 3 stage funding by the World Bank
1) training for a 1000 software managers - to be determined by a criteria 2) provision for 1,000,000 laptops to kenyans - to be determined by criteria 3) i cannot remember the third point - but it has to do with support of IT/ICT/Development projects [which I would assume includes the support for content generation for local use]
*DR. Ndemo*
-The digital villages did not take off as expected. The youth despite the urgency to create jobs did not respond to calls for training and taking up ownership/running of the digital villages
[the northern part of kenya (that claims to be marginalised) - only 8 participants showed up --- 8 participants !!]
-One of the reasons for digital villages was to make available "content" for kenyans through gathering of grassroots statistics like population, facts, economic dynamics - etc - In turn, due to support for electric self sufficiency of these digital villages [solar, wind, etc] - the owners can garner income thru: mobile charging, photocopying, printing government documents [like P3s, job applications for government], hosting workshops, folks can call thru Voip to distant relatives, cyber cafe services - and etc etc
(thru such services, the digital village provides justice, reduces corruption, collects information, makes business, creates youth employment)
-The current events for building infrastructure like the fibre is inline with the vision 2030 for Kenya. The government cannot help you set up an enterprise - it can only enable you to do so thru such projects as fibre, and creation of friendly policies that protect your intellectual property, enables your work [eg software] to have value, etc etc
-The vision 2030 covers 3 main pillars - aside from the popular 'economic' renaissance
->economic pillar ->social pillar - equity [not the 'members' bank] but equal opportunity for all ->political pillar-politics to be issue based, politicians to take risks and not fear lack of re-elections -example - politics based on popularisms e.g passing the "maternity leave for men" bill make politicians popular but affect our economy...
*CONTENT*
-Dr Ndemo talked about preachers appearing on our own version of 'youtube' so that those of us in diaspora can catch up with home sermons. This also includes those who pretend to work in the office and love the gospel - they can catch up with more constructive episodes online.
-The provision of local and accurate videos online for example traditional dances that can be sold to those studying culture. This can be sold ! I know of a Kenyan studying in Japan a few months ago who was hired by a kindergarten school to show the kids an 'african dance'. [pics on facebook] He found a kikoi in a crafts shop that had maasai patterns. Then he and a friend performed an 'isikuti' dance in maasai attire. But how could they ever know the difference ? The kids were quite happy to see an 'African dance'.
-We can also throw Kamaru and Mike Rua, Sukuma Bin Ongwaro etc on our own version of youtube and charge subscription for those in 'diaspora' - think USD. 5 dollars for 1000 kenyans for a period = USD 5000 dollars.
-In summary the world needs our content - and we need our content
-Digitising of government information and putting it online for easy availability. This alone can create numerous jobs and revenue.
Dr. Ndemo talked of trying to do a research one day to find out the number of Internet users. He was directed to a mountain of files [am sure you have a picture,,, the dust, the makonge strings, the musky odour] and he was told to look through those. Now imagine if this was searchable through a computer database after categorising and serialising the documents [jobs].
-Registration of phone numbers - to identify a user to a number
-Product information online and pricing, aside from availability - eg for pharmacies, electronics etc.. this can save one alot of driving around.
-Exams, pass papers, research papers provision online, online assignments - you can charge per download [or per click :) ] thru deals with institutions like the university. Students globally are always repeating the same things we did 15 years ago... why not charge for content provision.
-However, Dr Ndemo warned on pricing - charge cheaply and the masses can afford. ksh 2 X 1 million = 2 million. -The problem with some content/services pricing is someone trying to pay their rent/car loan with a few big sales - this discourages buyers, and encourages piracy
-Digital TVs - provision of over 1000 channels . This provides a huge market for advertising. I was also thinking - what about building the database ?
-The AGOA issue is well covered by Josiah on his blog http://blog.josiahmugambi.com/2009/08/dr-ndemo-skunkworks.html
-And yes its true - there is no native word for 'enterpreneur' or 'breaking even' or 'positive productivity' in our languages
-Example of some of our decisions : Policies such as land division are flawed. The farmers have subdivided their land so-o much that they are no longer viable to support food for the normal 1 year of crop production
-It took some of us 40 years to realize that coffee and tea are no longer profitable [think small scale farming] - we stick to various businesses that barely break - when in reality, their time has passed.
[google "the 5 stages of small business" - the last stage is not very good news for those of use with small businesses, but changes do happen and will happen - we need to change too]
* **Bret Bullington*
Bret is from silicon valley and is on kenya for a while. Joe Mucheru called him a capital venturelist [who could actually fund/promote your ideas].
Bret's short speech advised us not to re-invent the wheel because most of the opportunities we are looking at now have been tried and tested in the USA since the advent of computers in the 70s, the internet bubble in the 80s and now the age of the portability.
We should look at what is working else where and try it here. [This reminds me that Japan began as copiers, now they are the leaders.]
He advised to borrow ideas and sell them in our own country. For example, he quoted two German brothers whose keeness [is there such a word?] is to 'borrow' new ideas and adapt them in Germany. They took 'facebook' and tried to introduce it in Germany. A television company bought 'their' idea - and they moved on to fetch and adapt another,, and another,,, _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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I thank you guys now, even if way in Congo, I feel like I was there only without tea and mandathi ;-) 2009/8/6 Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com>
I took notes :) Josiah Mugambi +254 738 504418
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Chris W. <dabnix@gmail.com> wrote:
Ndungu Steven / Josiah Mugambi,
Salute to you guyz.Man cant imagine u managed to draw all this back from your memory. Having been there,I call this the real representation.
Good work!!!
Chris_w. dabnix@gmail.com
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks Clement,
We can add a few summaries [pls pardon any misquotation, there was alot of info passed and im drawing this frm memory] :
-There was a promise by Alex Gakuru/ICT board for support of IT community through a 3 stage funding by the World Bank
1) training for a 1000 software managers - to be determined by a criteria 2) provision for 1,000,000 laptops to kenyans - to be determined by criteria 3) i cannot remember the third point - but it has to do with support of IT/ICT/Development projects [which I would assume includes the support for content generation for local use]
*DR. Ndemo*
-The digital villages did not take off as expected. The youth despite the urgency to create jobs did not respond to calls for training and taking up ownership/running of the digital villages
[the northern part of kenya (that claims to be marginalised) - only 8 participants showed up --- 8 participants !!]
-One of the reasons for digital villages was to make available "content" for kenyans through gathering of grassroots statistics like population, facts, economic dynamics - etc - In turn, due to support for electric self sufficiency of these digital villages [solar, wind, etc] - the owners can garner income thru: mobile charging, photocopying, printing government documents [like P3s, job applications for government], hosting workshops, folks can call thru Voip to distant relatives, cyber cafe services - and etc etc
(thru such services, the digital village provides justice, reduces corruption, collects information, makes business, creates youth employment)
-The current events for building infrastructure like the fibre is inline with the vision 2030 for Kenya. The government cannot help you set up an enterprise - it can only enable you to do so thru such projects as fibre, and creation of friendly policies that protect your intellectual property, enables your work [eg software] to have value, etc etc
-The vision 2030 covers 3 main pillars - aside from the popular 'economic' renaissance
->economic pillar ->social pillar - equity [not the 'members' bank] but equal opportunity for all ->political pillar-politics to be issue based, politicians to take risks and not fear lack of re-elections -example - politics based on popularisms e.g passing the "maternity leave for men" bill make politicians popular but affect our economy...
*CONTENT*
-Dr Ndemo talked about preachers appearing on our own version of 'youtube' so that those of us in diaspora can catch up with home sermons. This also includes those who pretend to work in the office and love the gospel - they can catch up with more constructive episodes online.
-The provision of local and accurate videos online for example traditional dances that can be sold to those studying culture. This can be sold ! I know of a Kenyan studying in Japan a few months ago who was hired by a kindergarten school to show the kids an 'african dance'. [pics on facebook] He found a kikoi in a crafts shop that had maasai patterns. Then he and a friend performed an 'isikuti' dance in maasai attire. But how could they ever know the difference ? The kids were quite happy to see an 'African dance'.
-We can also throw Kamaru and Mike Rua, Sukuma Bin Ongwaro etc on our own version of youtube and charge subscription for those in 'diaspora' - think USD. 5 dollars for 1000 kenyans for a period = USD 5000 dollars.
-In summary the world needs our content - and we need our content
-Digitising of government information and putting it online for easy availability. This alone can create numerous jobs and revenue.
Dr. Ndemo talked of trying to do a research one day to find out the number of Internet users. He was directed to a mountain of files [am sure you have a picture,,, the dust, the makonge strings, the musky odour] and he was told to look through those. Now imagine if this was searchable through a computer database after categorising and serialising the documents [jobs].
-Registration of phone numbers - to identify a user to a number
-Product information online and pricing, aside from availability - eg for pharmacies, electronics etc.. this can save one alot of driving around.
-Exams, pass papers, research papers provision online, online assignments - you can charge per download [or per click :) ] thru deals with institutions like the university. Students globally are always repeating the same things we did 15 years ago... why not charge for content provision.
-However, Dr Ndemo warned on pricing - charge cheaply and the masses can afford. ksh 2 X 1 million = 2 million. -The problem with some content/services pricing is someone trying to pay their rent/car loan with a few big sales - this discourages buyers, and encourages piracy
-Digital TVs - provision of over 1000 channels . This provides a huge market for advertising. I was also thinking - what about building the database ?
-The AGOA issue is well covered by Josiah on his blog http://blog.josiahmugambi.com/2009/08/dr-ndemo-skunkworks.html
-And yes its true - there is no native word for 'enterpreneur' or 'breaking even' or 'positive productivity' in our languages
-Example of some of our decisions : Policies such as land division are flawed. The farmers have subdivided their land so-o much that they are no longer viable to support food for the normal 1 year of crop production
-It took some of us 40 years to realize that coffee and tea are no longer profitable [think small scale farming] - we stick to various businesses that barely break - when in reality, their time has passed.
[google "the 5 stages of small business" - the last stage is not very good news for those of use with small businesses, but changes do happen and will happen - we need to change too]
* **Bret Bullington*
Bret is from silicon valley and is on kenya for a while. Joe Mucheru called him a capital venturelist [who could actually fund/promote your ideas].
Bret's short speech advised us not to re-invent the wheel because most of the opportunities we are looking at now have been tried and tested in the USA since the advent of computers in the 70s, the internet bubble in the 80s and now the age of the portability.
We should look at what is working else where and try it here. [This reminds me that Japan began as copiers, now they are the leaders.]
He advised to borrow ideas and sell them in our own country. For example, he quoted two German brothers whose keeness [is there such a word?] is to 'borrow' new ideas and adapt them in Germany. They took 'facebook' and tried to introduce it in Germany. A television company bought 'their' idea - and they moved on to fetch and adapt another,, and another,,, _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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It was a great session, only bummer was the crappy microphone.... :( On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
I thank you guys now, even if way in Congo, I feel like I was there only without tea and mandathi ;-)
2009/8/6 Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com>
I took notes :)
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Chris W. <dabnix@gmail.com> wrote:
Ndungu Steven / Josiah Mugambi,
Salute to you guyz.Man cant imagine u managed to draw all this back from your memory. Having been there,I call this the real representation.
Good work!!!
Chris_w. dabnix@gmail.com
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
Thanks Clement,
We can add a few summaries [pls pardon any misquotation, there was alot of info passed and im drawing this frm memory] :
-There was a promise by Alex Gakuru/ICT board for support of IT community through a 3 stage funding by the World Bank
1) training for a 1000 software managers - to be determined by a criteria 2) provision for 1,000,000 laptops to kenyans - to be determined by criteria 3) i cannot remember the third point - but it has to do with support of IT/ICT/Development projects [which I would assume includes the support for content generation for local use]
*DR. Ndemo*
-The digital villages did not take off as expected. The youth despite the urgency to create jobs did not respond to calls for training and taking up ownership/running of the digital villages
[the northern part of kenya (that claims to be marginalised) - only 8 participants showed up --- 8 participants !!]
-One of the reasons for digital villages was to make available "content" for kenyans through gathering of grassroots statistics like population, facts, economic dynamics - etc - In turn, due to support for electric self sufficiency of these digital villages [solar, wind, etc] - the owners can garner income thru: mobile charging, photocopying, printing government documents [like P3s, job applications for government], hosting workshops, folks can call thru Voip to distant relatives, cyber cafe services - and etc etc
(thru such services, the digital village provides justice, reduces corruption, collects information, makes business, creates youth employment)
-The current events for building infrastructure like the fibre is inline with the vision 2030 for Kenya. The government cannot help you set up an enterprise - it can only enable you to do so thru such projects as fibre, and creation of friendly policies that protect your intellectual property, enables your work [eg software] to have value, etc etc
-The vision 2030 covers 3 main pillars - aside from the popular 'economic' renaissance
->economic pillar ->social pillar - equity [not the 'members' bank] but equal opportunity for all ->political pillar-politics to be issue based, politicians to take risks and not fear lack of re-elections -example - politics based on popularisms e.g passing the "maternity leave for men" bill make politicians popular but affect our economy...
*CONTENT*
-Dr Ndemo talked about preachers appearing on our own version of 'youtube' so that those of us in diaspora can catch up with home sermons. This also includes those who pretend to work in the office and love the gospel - they can catch up with more constructive episodes online.
-The provision of local and accurate videos online for example traditional dances that can be sold to those studying culture. This can be sold ! I know of a Kenyan studying in Japan a few months ago who was hired by a kindergarten school to show the kids an 'african dance'. [pics on facebook] He found a kikoi in a crafts shop that had maasai patterns. Then he and a friend performed an 'isikuti' dance in maasai attire. But how could they ever know the difference ? The kids were quite happy to see an 'African dance'.
-We can also throw Kamaru and Mike Rua, Sukuma Bin Ongwaro etc on our own version of youtube and charge subscription for those in 'diaspora' - think USD. 5 dollars for 1000 kenyans for a period = USD 5000 dollars.
-In summary the world needs our content - and we need our content
-Digitising of government information and putting it online for easy availability. This alone can create numerous jobs and revenue.
Dr. Ndemo talked of trying to do a research one day to find out the number of Internet users. He was directed to a mountain of files [am sure you have a picture,,, the dust, the makonge strings, the musky odour] and he was told to look through those. Now imagine if this was searchable through a computer database after categorising and serialising the documents [jobs].
-Registration of phone numbers - to identify a user to a number
-Product information online and pricing, aside from availability - eg for pharmacies, electronics etc.. this can save one alot of driving around.
-Exams, pass papers, research papers provision online, online assignments - you can charge per download [or per click :) ] thru deals with institutions like the university. Students globally are always repeating the same things we did 15 years ago... why not charge for content provision.
-However, Dr Ndemo warned on pricing - charge cheaply and the masses can afford. ksh 2 X 1 million = 2 million. -The problem with some content/services pricing is someone trying to pay their rent/car loan with a few big sales - this discourages buyers, and encourages piracy
-Digital TVs - provision of over 1000 channels . This provides a huge market for advertising. I was also thinking - what about building the database ?
-The AGOA issue is well covered by Josiah on his blog http://blog.josiahmugambi.com/2009/08/dr-ndemo-skunkworks.html
-And yes its true - there is no native word for 'enterpreneur' or 'breaking even' or 'positive productivity' in our languages
-Example of some of our decisions : Policies such as land division are flawed. The farmers have subdivided their land so-o much that they are no longer viable to support food for the normal 1 year of crop production
-It took some of us 40 years to realize that coffee and tea are no longer profitable [think small scale farming] - we stick to various businesses that barely break - when in reality, their time has passed.
[google "the 5 stages of small business" - the last stage is not very good news for those of use with small businesses, but changes do happen and will happen - we need to change too]
* **Bret Bullington*
Bret is from silicon valley and is on kenya for a while. Joe Mucheru called him a capital venturelist [who could actually fund/promote your ideas].
Bret's short speech advised us not to re-invent the wheel because most of the opportunities we are looking at now have been tried and tested in the USA since the advent of computers in the 70s, the internet bubble in the 80s and now the age of the portability.
We should look at what is working else where and try it here. [This reminds me that Japan began as copiers, now they are the leaders.]
He advised to borrow ideas and sell them in our own country. For example, he quoted two German brothers whose keeness [is there such a word?] is to 'borrow' new ideas and adapt them in Germany. They took 'facebook' and tried to introduce it in Germany. A television company bought 'their' idea - and they moved on to fetch and adapt another,, and another,,, _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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@Dennis by not re-inventing the wheel - the kenyan "youtube" has a lot of advantages the main youtube will not have... Just by going to the kenyan 'youtube' - you will know that all the content there is local/african - just by a glance There were talks of the main 'youtube' restricting third world countries from content because : 1) we consume bandwidth 2) we consume space [storage] And yet, the main aim of these free services is to advertise while clients are attracted to site - which we in third world rarely click on those adverts - very rarely. Now imagine "kenyan youtube" - and there is a flash advert on the side of "sabuni ya mti ya jamaa" ... What would prevent you from clicking ??
If I may add, a few months ago I briefly mentioned about web casts. Been testing randomly and final completion tests out in about 3 months. I've had to slow down ( by at least 12 months ) due to the negative service providers and stori mengi and delays in seacom bandwidths, however its something I shall build around safaricom, kdn and other networks. chelekea was my first and now am seeing other sites build similar stores, which is excellent. One benefit www.chekelea.com brought was a centralised system. The site continues to grow with support from visitors and others. Why others are not thinking of content is indeed baffling ... :-) I read the Agoa part, and Im quite surprised that no one has decide to put an online Masai Market or crafts market that will allow bidding by those in the US. If you did not know, I will never understand kenyan banks and financial institutions who seem to be less than aware about investment changes. I wish I had the capability for an STM1 purchase, I'd bought the STM1 from Seacom as an investment ( 20 years ), and built the next generation network from ground upwards on existing infrastructure but there is only enough one person can do.. Forget those stories about internet prices not coming down, that is coming from those who invested in teams. Seacom purchasers have no such problems. My amatuer view. See you in a while or on next tests on my current project. :-) Rgds.
@Aki Interesting website chekelea.com: Question : Have the businesses of those who have put up the adverts changed/improved/increased customer calls from the time you went live ? [just collecting statistics to see the reaction of kenyan consumers to a different marketing/awareness approach]
Hi Ndungu, one important aspect that took place was open pricing and that people were no longer limited to a few choices Eg : If you went to a shop they would have 4-5 different models of laptops and as a buyer you'd be stuck with making a decision based on these limited models. Today, chekelea.com proudly gives many a chance to see how dynamic ICT kenyan market is. For results, all I can say is that the stock changes show the changes placed on it. And to be frankly honest, it is slowly building towards its long term goals. Kenyans mindset ( not all ) , in the long term will build confidence that local companies can make it happen. ( Eg, kenyans will pay 10,000USD or more to a japanese car site, never visit japan and await delivery of their car but if they see a site locally they want to know if it is legit or not.... hehehe ) :-) Which takes me to the Agoa part. If I had the time, I'd build an online masai market and let the traders who want to be known be part of it. This means travelling to their workshops, taking good product pictures and putting them online. kwaani how difficult is this? My amatuer view. :-)
Actually - we was thinking about that -- but no one has the gall [or *replace word with relevant plural] to go to AGOA and : 1) talk to the suppliers 2) take their contacts 3) arrange to take pictures of products 4) put it on a website equivalent to chekelea... with pricing Unfortunately, as I said - its hard to rise from our comfort zone and get our hands dirty...
Hit the nail on the head! On 8/7/09, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually - we was thinking about that -- but no one has the gall [or *replace word with relevant plural] to go to AGOA and :
1) talk to the suppliers 2) take their contacts 3) arrange to take pictures of products 4) put it on a website equivalent to chekelea... with pricing
Unfortunately, as I said - its hard to rise from our comfort zone and get our hands dirty...
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I took a short time out, ofcourse to continue my study etc but also do some online research about things, regarding the innovations that we have recently seen because unfortunately by someone saying that they use a flip-flop circuit to trigger an actuator is something that belongs in the 30-40s era. I also visited Eric's site afrigagdet ( which is done quite nicely and an excellent awareness ) and was shocked at some of the things. Anyway, long story short, I think what we really need to get going is awareness of the technology development gap and rate regions within Kenya. Eg Nairobi is Year 2009, Mombasa maybe 2008, Nakuru Year 2001 etc. By doing this, we shall have have an idea what needs to be done. As an example, go here : http://www.afrigadget.com/ and the Zambulance . For those who even held a box tube metal, used a square to make cuts, used an arc welder, primer for undercoat etc what is this, must be the question? We have big problems..... My apology to anyone if the above sounds rude. Have a nice day, over and out.. :-)
what if we approached google kenya about a special kenya channel on you tube. about adverts, The big companies advertise through agents who are yet to exploit online advertising, despite having relevant software for such a purpose in the case of some scan ad agencies (learned this from a rival who acquired the same software). As for small and micro enterprises, other than web service suppliers, most are yet to exploit such media except for a few on facebook. As for adverts, those that would work best are pictorial such as the ones on kiss tv. Another issue is advertisers who advertise goods and want you to contact them for prices (as u have seen on this list) On 07/08/2009, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I took a short time out, ofcourse to continue my study etc but also do some online research about things, regarding the innovations that we have recently seen because unfortunately by someone saying that they use a flip-flop circuit to trigger an actuator is something that belongs in the 30-40s era. I also visited Eric's site afrigagdet ( which is done quite nicely and an excellent awareness ) and was shocked at some of the things. Anyway, long story short, I think what we really need to get going is awareness of the technology development gap and rate regions within Kenya. Eg Nairobi is Year 2009, Mombasa maybe 2008, Nakuru Year 2001 etc. By doing this, we shall have have an idea what needs to be done.
As an example, go here : http://www.afrigadget.com/ and the Zambulance . For those who even held a box tube metal, used a square to make cuts, used an arc welder, primer for undercoat etc what is this, must be the question? We have big problems.....
My apology to anyone if the above sounds rude. Have a nice day, over and out.. :-)
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Aki are you reading my mind I was working on a Masai 'market online' thing .. I once sent a guy to take photos near globe hehe then unfortunately Kanjo was dealing with hawkers stori for another day.. ... but I think we have quite alot of local content we just have to look ... guys lets do this!! 2009/8/7 Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
what if we approached google kenya about a special kenya channel on you tube. about adverts, The big companies advertise through agents who are yet to exploit online advertising, despite having relevant software for such a purpose in the case of some scan ad agencies (learned this from a rival who acquired the same software). As for small and micro enterprises, other than web service suppliers, most are yet to exploit such media except for a few on facebook. As for adverts, those that would work best are pictorial such as the ones on kiss tv. Another issue is advertisers who advertise goods and want you to contact them for prices (as u have seen on this list)
On 07/08/2009, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I took a short time out, ofcourse to continue my study etc but also do some online research about things, regarding the innovations that we have recently seen because unfortunately by someone saying that they use a flip-flop circuit to trigger an actuator is something that belongs in the 30-40s era. I also visited Eric's site afrigagdet ( which is done quite nicely and an excellent awareness ) and was shocked at some of the things. Anyway, long story short, I think what we really need to get going is awareness of the technology development gap and rate regions within Kenya. Eg Nairobi is Year 2009, Mombasa maybe 2008, Nakuru Year 2001 etc. By doing this, we shall have have an idea what needs to be done.
As an example, go here : http://www.afrigadget.com/ and the Zambulance . For those who even held a box tube metal, used a square to make cuts, used an arc welder, primer for undercoat etc what is this, must be the question? We have big problems.....
My apology to anyone if the above sounds rude. Have a nice day, over and out.. :-)
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check out www.maasaistore.net On 07/08/2009, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki are you reading my mind I was working on a Masai 'market online' thing .. I once sent a guy to take photos near globe hehe then unfortunately Kanjo was dealing with hawkers stori for another day.. ... but I think we have quite alot of local content we just have to look ... guys lets do this!!
2009/8/7 Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
what if we approached google kenya about a special kenya channel on you tube. about adverts, The big companies advertise through agents who are yet to exploit online advertising, despite having relevant software for such a purpose in the case of some scan ad agencies (learned this from a rival who acquired the same software). As for small and micro enterprises, other than web service suppliers, most are yet to exploit such media except for a few on facebook. As for adverts, those that would work best are pictorial such as the ones on kiss tv. Another issue is advertisers who advertise goods and want you to contact them for prices (as u have seen on this list)
On 07/08/2009, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
I took a short time out, ofcourse to continue my study etc but also do some online research about things, regarding the innovations that we have recently seen because unfortunately by someone saying that they use a flip-flop circuit to trigger an actuator is something that belongs in the 30-40s era. I also visited Eric's site afrigagdet ( which is done quite nicely and an excellent awareness ) and was shocked at some of the things. Anyway, long story short, I think what we really need to get going is awareness of the technology development gap and rate regions within Kenya. Eg Nairobi is Year 2009, Mombasa maybe 2008, Nakuru Year 2001 etc. By doing this, we shall have have an idea what needs to be done.
As an example, go here : http://www.afrigadget.com/ and the Zambulance . For those who even held a box tube metal, used a square to make cuts, used an arc welder, primer for undercoat etc what is this, must be the question? We have big problems.....
My apology to anyone if the above sounds rude. Have a nice day, over and out.. :-)
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You guys may want to look at the Agoa thing a bit more. http://www.agoa.info/?view=country_info&country=ke&story=trade The market destination is much broader and require a worldclass site portal, with details to each vendor and products. Am sure there are many capable beyond one can imagine. Its your call. And others have also offered advice on this thread. gd luck. :-)
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