Hi Skunks/ettes, Need a bit of advice . My cousin came to me and told me he needed to add a new tool to his arsenal . She was torn between flash/silverlight and javascript. We visited quite a few sites and noted developers could achieve similar experiences that were traditionally done with flash using javascript . Javascript has the additional advantage over flash in terms of accessibility, Search engine friendliness, speed, Cross browser compatibility. The only downside we found with javascript was scripts turned off. A flash banner that would take hours tweening, importing, exporting can be done in minutes with javascripts jquery. The only usage of flash I can see in the near future is making games and an intermediate javascript developer should be able create a decent javascript game Given that, Apple is not longer supporting flash in some of its latest products(iPhone, iPad) and HTML 5 which allows embedding of videos, which was the domain of flash, are the days of flash numbered ?
A couple of corrections It's not accurate to say flash/silverlight vs javascript because you can build silverlight applications in a number of languages including javascript. Silverlight and Flash are also cross platform so you cannot say that javascript is advantaged over them in terms of being cross platform. Silverlight fully supports SEO. I would not say that flash/silverlight is dead, even if HTML5 ever comes out of the political morass it is stuck in. Both have areas where they will excel over the other On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM, albert kamau <kamau.albert@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Skunks/ettes,
Need a bit of advice .
My cousin came to me and told me he needed to add a new tool to his arsenal . She was torn between flash/silverlight and javascript.
We visited quite a few sites and noted developers could achieve similar experiences that were traditionally done with flash using javascript . Javascript has the additional advantage over flash in terms of accessibility, Search engine friendliness, speed, Cross browser compatibility. The only downside we found with javascript was scripts turned off.
A flash banner that would take hours tweening, importing, exporting can be done in minutes with javascripts jquery. The only usage of flash I can see in the near future is making games and an intermediate javascript developer should be able create a decent javascript game
Given that, Apple is not longer supporting flash in some of its latest products(iPhone, iPad) and HTML 5 which allows embedding of videos, which was the domain of flash, are the days of flash numbered ?
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
@Rad. Thanks for the heads up. I feel your bias towards flash.silverlight and :) I grew up with them and would not want to see them "die". I have not seen enough of silverlight around, mostly on microsoft sites, but I believe it was supposed to be an alternative to flash.
From your argument, forgetting actionscript, where does flash stand ? The issue of HTML 5 politcis, youtube has started testing embedded videos. Most updated browsers(Firefox, Safari, Opera) are coming with some if not all new features of HTML 5 support.
On cross browser, that is true, they are all compatible but you need to download proprietary plugins which do not come with the browser. Which areas will flash rule over javascript in regards to web development ? 4 years ago, I would not be in this dilemma, Flash was king/queen, but now, *really*, in terms of reusability, mainatanance, speed, what can flash do that javascript cant do better ? BTW, am not endorsing javascript, I spend most of my free time *trying* to make cartoons with flash!! This is for educational purposes only Kind regards Albert Kamau -------------------------------------------------------------------- Landline : 020 2074667 | Zain : 0731 275678 | Saf : 0725 078797 On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
A couple of corrections
It's not accurate to say flash/silverlight vs javascript because you can build silverlight applications in a number of languages including javascript.
Silverlight and Flash are also cross platform so you cannot say that javascript is advantaged over them in terms of being cross platform.
Silverlight fully supports SEO.
I would not say that flash/silverlight is dead, even if HTML5 ever comes out of the political morass it is stuck in. Both have areas where they will excel over the other
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM, albert kamau <kamau.albert@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Skunks/ettes,
Need a bit of advice .
My cousin came to me and told me he needed to add a new tool to his arsenal . She was torn between flash/silverlight and javascript.
We visited quite a few sites and noted developers could achieve similar experiences that were traditionally done with flash using javascript . Javascript has the additional advantage over flash in terms of accessibility, Search engine friendliness, speed, Cross browser compatibility. The only downside we found with javascript was scripts turned off.
A flash banner that would take hours tweening, importing, exporting can be done in minutes with javascripts jquery. The only usage of flash I can see in the near future is making games and an intermediate javascript developer should be able create a decent javascript game
Given that, Apple is not longer supporting flash in some of its latest products(iPhone, iPad) and HTML 5 which allows embedding of videos, which was the domain of flash, are the days of flash numbered ?
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
@Haggai if you're in town what are you doing on the last Saturday of the month? I'd like to invite you to give a small talk/presentation on Flash/AIR/Flex to interested developers. @Albert - For convenience i'll call Flash/AIR/Flex/SIlverlight RIA for Rich Internet Applications. What are the advantages of RIA over JavaScript? Off the top of my head these are the most obvious 1. Audio/Video support is much better 2. There are mechanisms for RIA to use local resources -- hard disk, camera, microsphone etc. Silverlight 4 will even allow you to use COM (provided the user authorizes it) which means essentially you can do anything with silverlight. Javascript is generally sandboxed 3. RIAs can run without a browser at all 4. RIAs can use lower level protocols like sockets 5. RIAs have native printing support On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:23 PM, albert kamau <kamau.albert@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rad. Thanks for the heads up. I feel your bias towards flash.silverlight and :) I grew up with them and would not want to see them "die". I have not seen enough of silverlight around, mostly on microsoft sites, but I believe it was supposed to be an alternative to flash.
From your argument, forgetting actionscript, where does flash stand ? The issue of HTML 5 politcis, youtube has started testing embedded videos. Most updated browsers(Firefox, Safari, Opera) are coming with some if not all new features of HTML 5 support.
On cross browser, that is true, they are all compatible but you need to download proprietary plugins which do not come with the browser.
Which areas will flash rule over javascript in regards to web development ? 4 years ago, I would not be in this dilemma, Flash was king/queen, but now, *really*, in terms of reusability, mainatanance, speed, what can flash do that javascript cant do better ? BTW, am not endorsing javascript, I spend most of my free time *trying* to make cartoons with flash!! This is for educational purposes only
Kind regards Albert Kamau -------------------------------------------------------------------- Landline : 020 2074667 | Zain : 0731 275678 | Saf : 0725 078797
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
A couple of corrections
It's not accurate to say flash/silverlight vs javascript because you can build silverlight applications in a number of languages including javascript.
Silverlight and Flash are also cross platform so you cannot say that javascript is advantaged over them in terms of being cross platform.
Silverlight fully supports SEO.
I would not say that flash/silverlight is dead, even if HTML5 ever comes out of the political morass it is stuck in. Both have areas where they will excel over the other
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM, albert kamau <kamau.albert@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Skunks/ettes,
Need a bit of advice .
My cousin came to me and told me he needed to add a new tool to his arsenal . She was torn between flash/silverlight and javascript.
We visited quite a few sites and noted developers could achieve similar experiences that were traditionally done with flash using javascript . Javascript has the additional advantage over flash in terms of accessibility, Search engine friendliness, speed, Cross browser compatibility. The only downside we found with javascript was scripts turned off.
A flash banner that would take hours tweening, importing, exporting can be done in minutes with javascripts jquery. The only usage of flash I can see in the near future is making games and an intermediate javascript developer should be able create a decent javascript game
Given that, Apple is not longer supporting flash in some of its latest products(iPhone, iPad) and HTML 5 which allows embedding of videos, which was the domain of flash, are the days of flash numbered ?
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
*The Pros & Cons of using Flash vs Javascript:* Flash Pros Flash Cons - Extensive features - 3D Capabilities - Consistent appearance in supported browsers - Supports vector artwork - Built-in UI & other features - Many free and Commercial tools available - More font options - Not compatible with all browsers including iPhone, iPad and cell phones - Moderate learning curve to use - Cost of purchasing Flash software - Possible problems with users that have older versions of the Flash Player - Potentially large file size - Possible security issues with Flash Player - Tracking stats for Flash elements is limited Javascript Pros Javascript Cons - Small size - Using jQuery or other libraries reduces the learning curve - Hundreds of free professional quality programs - Can add interactivity to web page elements and tags - Skinnable Form Components UI - Compatible with more browsers than Flash including iPhone, cell phones, PS3, PSP - Features not as extensive as Flash - Complex features may not perform as quickly as flash - 3D features are limited - Users can disable Javascript support - Source Code Not Protected *When to use Flash vs Javascript:* Application Flash Javascript Slide Show X Form Validation X Dropdown Menus X Tabbed Panels X Popups & Tooltips X Expandable/Collapsible Elements X Video/Audio Player X Complex Animation X 3D X Complex Multimedia X ** On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:23 PM, albert kamau <kamau.albert@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rad. Thanks for the heads up. I feel your bias towards flash.silverlight and :) I grew up with them and would not want to see them "die". I have not seen enough of silverlight around, mostly on microsoft sites, but I believe it was supposed to be an alternative to flash.
From your argument, forgetting actionscript, where does flash stand ? The issue of HTML 5 politcis, youtube has started testing embedded videos. Most updated browsers(Firefox, Safari, Opera) are coming with some if not all new features of HTML 5 support.
On cross browser, that is true, they are all compatible but you need to download proprietary plugins which do not come with the browser.
Which areas will flash rule over javascript in regards to web development ? 4 years ago, I would not be in this dilemma, Flash was king/queen, but now, *really*, in terms of reusability, mainatanance, speed, what can flash do that javascript cant do better ? BTW, am not endorsing javascript, I spend most of my free time *trying* to make cartoons with flash!! This is for educational purposes only
Kind regards Albert Kamau -------------------------------------------------------------------- Landline : 020 2074667 | Zain : 0731 275678 | Saf : 0725 078797
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
A couple of corrections
It's not accurate to say flash/silverlight vs javascript because you can build silverlight applications in a number of languages including javascript.
Silverlight and Flash are also cross platform so you cannot say that javascript is advantaged over them in terms of being cross platform.
Silverlight fully supports SEO.
I would not say that flash/silverlight is dead, even if HTML5 ever comes out of the political morass it is stuck in. Both have areas where they will excel over the other
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM, albert kamau <kamau.albert@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Skunks/ettes,
Need a bit of advice .
My cousin came to me and told me he needed to add a new tool to his arsenal . She was torn between flash/silverlight and javascript.
We visited quite a few sites and noted developers could achieve similar experiences that were traditionally done with flash using javascript . Javascript has the additional advantage over flash in terms of accessibility, Search engine friendliness, speed, Cross browser compatibility. The only downside we found with javascript was scripts turned off.
A flash banner that would take hours tweening, importing, exporting can be done in minutes with javascripts jquery. The only usage of flash I can see in the near future is making games and an intermediate javascript developer should be able create a decent javascript game
Given that, Apple is not longer supporting flash in some of its latest products(iPhone, iPad) and HTML 5 which allows embedding of videos, which was the domain of flash, are the days of flash numbered ?
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
@Humphrey that's a really good illustration. How about Silverlight pros and cons for the uninitiated out there? @Rad will confirm attendance that week - my schedules are really volatile due to the nature of my work. My Flash/Flex exploits are currently a pastime...but not for long :) On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
*The Pros & Cons of using Flash vs Javascript:* Flash Pros Flash Cons
- Extensive features - 3D Capabilities - Consistent appearance in supported browsers - Supports vector artwork - Built-in UI & other features - Many free and Commercial tools available - More font options
- Not compatible with all browsers including iPhone, iPad and cell phones - Moderate learning curve to use - Cost of purchasing Flash software - Possible problems with users that have older versions of the Flash Player - Potentially large file size - Possible security issues with Flash Player - Tracking stats for Flash elements is limited
Javascript Pros Javascript Cons
- Small size - Using jQuery or other libraries reduces the learning curve - Hundreds of free professional quality programs - Can add interactivity to web page elements and tags - Skinnable Form Components UI - Compatible with more browsers than Flash including iPhone, cell phones, PS3, PSP
- Features not as extensive as Flash - Complex features may not perform as quickly as flash - 3D features are limited - Users can disable Javascript support - Source Code Not Protected
*When to use Flash vs Javascript:* Application Flash Javascript Slide Show X Form Validation X Dropdown Menus X Tabbed Panels X Popups & Tooltips X Expandable/Collapsible Elements X Video/Audio Player X Complex Animation X 3D X Complex Multimedia X **
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:23 PM, albert kamau <kamau.albert@gmail.com>wrote:
@Rad. Thanks for the heads up. I feel your bias towards flash.silverlight and :) I grew up with them and would not want to see them "die". I have not seen enough of silverlight around, mostly on microsoft sites, but I believe it was supposed to be an alternative to flash.
From your argument, forgetting actionscript, where does flash stand ? The issue of HTML 5 politcis, youtube has started testing embedded videos. Most updated browsers(Firefox, Safari, Opera) are coming with some if not all new features of HTML 5 support.
On cross browser, that is true, they are all compatible but you need to download proprietary plugins which do not come with the browser.
Which areas will flash rule over javascript in regards to web development ? 4 years ago, I would not be in this dilemma, Flash was king/queen, but now, *really*, in terms of reusability, mainatanance, speed, what can flash do that javascript cant do better ? BTW, am not endorsing javascript, I spend most of my free time *trying* to make cartoons with flash!! This is for educational purposes only
Kind regards Albert Kamau -------------------------------------------------------------------- Landline : 020 2074667 | Zain : 0731 275678 | Saf : 0725 078797
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
A couple of corrections
It's not accurate to say flash/silverlight vs javascript because you can build silverlight applications in a number of languages including javascript.
Silverlight and Flash are also cross platform so you cannot say that javascript is advantaged over them in terms of being cross platform.
Silverlight fully supports SEO.
I would not say that flash/silverlight is dead, even if HTML5 ever comes out of the political morass it is stuck in. Both have areas where they will excel over the other
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM, albert kamau <kamau.albert@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Skunks/ettes,
Need a bit of advice .
My cousin came to me and told me he needed to add a new tool to his arsenal . She was torn between flash/silverlight and javascript.
We visited quite a few sites and noted developers could achieve similar experiences that were traditionally done with flash using javascript . Javascript has the additional advantage over flash in terms of accessibility, Search engine friendliness, speed, Cross browser compatibility. The only downside we found with javascript was scripts turned off.
A flash banner that would take hours tweening, importing, exporting can be done in minutes with javascripts jquery. The only usage of flash I can see in the near future is making games and an intermediate javascript developer should be able create a decent javascript game
Given that, Apple is not longer supporting flash in some of its latest products(iPhone, iPad) and HTML 5 which allows embedding of videos, which was the domain of flash, are the days of flash numbered ?
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
This discussion has been all the rave recently in countless forums...if you google you'll see why. Flash is not going to die out anytime soon. Yes, HTML5 IMO is going to give it a bigger run for its money than Silverlight, but as it is the HTML5 spec is not totally ironed out...e.g. they haven't standardized the video format to use. OGG is the one mostly in use with HTML5 btw. I've checked out some demo sites...I admit the font embedding and drag/drop features are slick without having to right-click and see "Silverlight" or "Flash Player x" but the video demos for HTML5 I've seen are a little bit buggy. Several things to note here: - Flash is ubiquitous - it's installed in over 98% of machines worldwide...i.e. computers and smartphones...save for Apple products. - Flash is WORA - write once, run anywhere. Can't say the same about HTML5, even the latest version of Firefox doesn't score all HTML5 benchmarks - I had to use Chrome to view a HTML5 video demo. - The other underestimated aspect of Flash is Flex and AIR - this app-oriented approach has not hit the mainstream but I believe in the near future more guys will be regarding Flash/Flex/AIR as more of an app development platform than just something to make those annoying ads online. - The tools for building Flash apps are getting more advanced by the day - google Flash Catalyst and see what I'm talking about...who imagined you create an app with from an image/wireframe you drew in Illustrator or Photoshop in a few minutes? - As for Silverlight I believe M$ was reacting to Adobe's dominance in that sector - everything that you can do in Silverlight can be done in Flash - and more. As for a Flex equivalent in Silverlight...I saw a bashful on this silverlight forum so judge for yourself: http://forums.silverlight.net/forums/p/634/1076.aspx I might sound like a Flash/Flex evangelist - yes - I'm an enthusiast. HTML5 will rock in the future, but it will take a while to iron out standards issues, garner significant market share and convince Flash/Flex affictionados like me to head over there. I'll only bother with HTML5 if I see something worthwhile that I can not do in Flash. I'm sure at this point you're all screaming Apple? Adobe Flash CS5 will support compiling your app into a native iPhone app. That's a sure selling point for me to keep investing in Flash/Flex/AIR in the foreseeable future. Already there are apps built in ActionScript 3 that are on the Apple App Store: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcs5/appsfor_iphone/ On a lighter note, is your cousin a she or he? Got a bit confused there :) On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM, albert kamau <kamau.albert@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Skunks/ettes,
Need a bit of advice .
My cousin came to me and told me he needed to add a new tool to his arsenal . She was torn between flash/silverlight and javascript.
We visited quite a few sites and noted developers could achieve similar experiences that were traditionally done with flash using javascript . Javascript has the additional advantage over flash in terms of accessibility, Search engine friendliness, speed, Cross browser compatibility. The only downside we found with javascript was scripts turned off.
A flash banner that would take hours tweening, importing, exporting can be done in minutes with javascripts jquery. The only usage of flash I can see in the near future is making games and an intermediate javascript developer should be able create a decent javascript game
Given that, Apple is not longer supporting flash in some of its latest products(iPhone, iPad) and HTML 5 which allows embedding of videos, which was the domain of flash, are the days of flash numbered ?
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
@Haggai the converse can be argued -- anything that can be done in Flash can be done in Silverlight. Personally, i believe you cast your die where you leverage your skills best. This is one of those arguments like Islam/Christianity, Unix/Windows etc that are utterly pointless. Everyone believes they are right. Everyone can quote facts, statistics and top x reasons to use y over z to support their point. I encourage people to visit the Microsoft Silverlight developer site and the Adobe Flash/Flex/AIR site and make informed decisions for themselves. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com>wrote:
This discussion has been all the rave recently in countless forums...if you google you'll see why.
Flash is not going to die out anytime soon. Yes, HTML5 IMO is going to give it a bigger run for its money than Silverlight, but as it is the HTML5 spec is not totally ironed out...e.g. they haven't standardized the video format to use. OGG is the one mostly in use with HTML5 btw.
I've checked out some demo sites...I admit the font embedding and drag/drop features are slick without having to right-click and see "Silverlight" or "Flash Player x" but the video demos for HTML5 I've seen are a little bit buggy. Several things to note here:
- Flash is ubiquitous - it's installed in over 98% of machines worldwide...i.e. computers and smartphones...save for Apple products. - Flash is WORA - write once, run anywhere. Can't say the same about HTML5, even the latest version of Firefox doesn't score all HTML5 benchmarks - I had to use Chrome to view a HTML5 video demo. - The other underestimated aspect of Flash is Flex and AIR - this app-oriented approach has not hit the mainstream but I believe in the near future more guys will be regarding Flash/Flex/AIR as more of an app development platform than just something to make those annoying ads online. - The tools for building Flash apps are getting more advanced by the day - google Flash Catalyst and see what I'm talking about...who imagined you create an app with from an image/wireframe you drew in Illustrator or Photoshop in a few minutes? - As for Silverlight I believe M$ was reacting to Adobe's dominance in that sector - everything that you can do in Silverlight can be done in Flash - and more. As for a Flex equivalent in Silverlight...I saw a bashful on this silverlight forum so judge for yourself: http://forums.silverlight.net/forums/p/634/1076.aspx
I might sound like a Flash/Flex evangelist - yes - I'm an enthusiast. HTML5 will rock in the future, but it will take a while to iron out standards issues, garner significant market share and convince Flash/Flex affictionados like me to head over there. I'll only bother with HTML5 if I see something worthwhile that I can not do in Flash.
I'm sure at this point you're all screaming Apple? Adobe Flash CS5 will support compiling your app into a native iPhone app. That's a sure selling point for me to keep investing in Flash/Flex/AIR in the foreseeable future. Already there are apps built in ActionScript 3 that are on the Apple App Store: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcs5/appsfor_iphone/
On a lighter note, is your cousin a she or he? Got a bit confused there :)
@Rad as you said I'm pitching for what I've known and what I'm comfortable with. There's no harm in showing others what can be done from the Flash side. I suggest you do the converse as you posit for greater understanding. Short of starting a war here and getting flamed by all M$/Silverlight lovers out there...this is to point out to Albert that many products have similar features...and not just in the online world. That's the whole point in competition. We only win on the small marks. The nugget here is for him to gauge his dev background and see where is he most likely to spend the shortest time ascending the learning curve to achieve what he wants. It's like arguing about Mercedes vs. BMW...pretty pointless. But, I'm a self-appointed showroom salesman for BMW, so go figure ;) On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@Haggai the converse can be argued -- anything that can be done in Flash can be done in Silverlight.
Personally, i believe you cast your die where you leverage your skills best. This is one of those arguments like Islam/Christianity, Unix/Windows etc that are utterly pointless. Everyone believes they are right. Everyone can quote facts, statistics and top x reasons to use y over z to support their point.
I encourage people to visit the Microsoft Silverlight developer site and the Adobe Flash/Flex/AIR site and make informed decisions for themselves.
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com>wrote:
This discussion has been all the rave recently in countless forums...if you google you'll see why.
Flash is not going to die out anytime soon. Yes, HTML5 IMO is going to give it a bigger run for its money than Silverlight, but as it is the HTML5 spec is not totally ironed out...e.g. they haven't standardized the video format to use. OGG is the one mostly in use with HTML5 btw.
I've checked out some demo sites...I admit the font embedding and drag/drop features are slick without having to right-click and see "Silverlight" or "Flash Player x" but the video demos for HTML5 I've seen are a little bit buggy. Several things to note here:
- Flash is ubiquitous - it's installed in over 98% of machines worldwide...i.e. computers and smartphones...save for Apple products. - Flash is WORA - write once, run anywhere. Can't say the same about HTML5, even the latest version of Firefox doesn't score all HTML5 benchmarks - I had to use Chrome to view a HTML5 video demo. - The other underestimated aspect of Flash is Flex and AIR - this app-oriented approach has not hit the mainstream but I believe in the near future more guys will be regarding Flash/Flex/AIR as more of an app development platform than just something to make those annoying ads online. - The tools for building Flash apps are getting more advanced by the day - google Flash Catalyst and see what I'm talking about...who imagined you create an app with from an image/wireframe you drew in Illustrator or Photoshop in a few minutes? - As for Silverlight I believe M$ was reacting to Adobe's dominance in that sector - everything that you can do in Silverlight can be done in Flash - and more. As for a Flex equivalent in Silverlight...I saw a bashful on this silverlight forum so judge for yourself: http://forums.silverlight.net/forums/p/634/1076.aspx
I might sound like a Flash/Flex evangelist - yes - I'm an enthusiast. HTML5 will rock in the future, but it will take a while to iron out standards issues, garner significant market share and convince Flash/Flex affictionados like me to head over there. I'll only bother with HTML5 if I see something worthwhile that I can not do in Flash.
I'm sure at this point you're all screaming Apple? Adobe Flash CS5 will support compiling your app into a native iPhone app. That's a sure selling point for me to keep investing in Flash/Flex/AIR in the foreseeable future. Already there are apps built in ActionScript 3 that are on the Apple App Store: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcs5/appsfor_iphone/
On a lighter note, is your cousin a she or he? Got a bit confused there :)
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
participants (4)
-
albert kamau -
Haggai Nyang -
Humphrey Ngoiya -
Rad!