Waaa! Just went through my billing at https://selfcare.safaricom.co.ke . random etu charges (18bob, 9 bob, 45 bob) On 7/20/13, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

But how did you even get subscribed in the first place, plus it's very hard to know you are subscribed if there are no SMS notifications for every billing. On 20 Jul 2013 15:56, "Bernard Mwagiru" <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:

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*100# and *200# on safaricom now includes an option to unsubscribe to any PRSP.

./bernard On Jul 20, 2013 3:12 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

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PRSPs have a way of silently subscribing you to your services and billing you without notifications.

Safaricom believes these chaps are innocent, letting them get away with the robbery.

Read my account below

http://blog.denniskioko.com/2013/07/how-safaricom-clients-are-being-robbed.h...

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Another tactic they use is withholding the information on how to unsubscribe.They know if that is easily available many will run away from their services. On Monday, July 22, 2013, mash lists wrote:

If you can whine loud enough to safcom and cc cck in your email, those robbers refund in no time. I t happened to me sometime last year!

On 22 July 2013 09:24, James Mutuku <listmutuku@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'listmutuku@gmail.com');>

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Waaa! Just went through my billing at https://selfcare.safaricom.co.ke . random etu charges (18bob, 9 bob, 45 bob)

On 7/20/13, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'dmbuvi@gmail.com');>> wrote:

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But how did you even get subscribed in the first place, plus it's very hard to know you are subscribed if there are no SMS notifications for every billing. On 20 Jul 2013 15:56, "Bernard Mwagiru" <bmwagiru@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'bmwagiru@gmail.com');>> wrote:

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*100# and *200# on safaricom now includes an option to unsubscribe to any PRSP.

./bernard On Jul 20, 2013 3:12 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'dmbuvi@gmail.com');>> wrote:

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PRSPs have a way of silently subscribing you to your services and billing you without notifications.

Safaricom believes these chaps are innocent, letting them get away with the robbery.

Read my account below

http://blog.denniskioko.com/2013/07/how-safaricom-clients-are-being-robbed.h...

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I'm sorry, but I can't believe you willingly gave your number to a spam service. That was really silly. Do you also open and reply to spam mail? On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:11 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:

So i was told on the internet that i won an iPad [some youtube promo] - clicked and clicked - finally put my number to claim the prize - only to be redirected and soon i started receiving SMS priced above normal charges from a local short code!

"To win the iPad - keep your SMS coming"

They know how to get your number!

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Pauline Kitheka <kithekapauline@gmail.com

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wrote:

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Another tactic they use is withholding the information on how to unsubscribe.They know if that is easily available many will run away from their services.

On Monday, July 22, 2013, mash lists wrote:

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If you can whine loud enough to safcom and cc cck in your email, those robbers refund in no time. I t happened to me sometime last year!

On 22 July 2013 09:24, James Mutuku <listmutuku@gmail.com> wrote:

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Waaa! Just went through my billing at https://selfcare.safaricom.co.ke . random etu charges (18bob, 9 bob, 45 bob)

On 7/20/13, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

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But how did you even get subscribed in the first place, plus it's very hard to know you are subscribed if there are no SMS notifications for every billing. On 20 Jul 2013 15:56, "Bernard Mwagiru" <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:

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*100# and *200# on safaricom now includes an option to unsubscribe to any PRSP.

./bernard On Jul 20, 2013 3:12 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

> PRSPs have a way of silently subscribing you to your services and > billing > you without notifications. > > Safaricom believes these chaps are innocent, letting them get away with > the robbery. > > Read my account below > > http://blog.denniskioko.com/2013/07/how-safaricom-clients-are-being-robbed.h... > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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I've seen those sites. There is small print saying you will be subscribed to a text sms service at premium rates. It is entirely your fault if you enter your number and start receiving text messages. No one to blame but yourself. And I still think it was silly. On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:

Brian, that is really hash.

I don't believe some of these stories. Excuse my ignorance. Can the PRSP subscribe you to a paid service through a webform and Safaricom starts deducting your airtime for every sms you receive from the PRSP?

If it was that simple, a crook would just subscribe every existing number from 0700-000000 to 0799-999999 through the said web form

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In most cases I've come across there is usually a confirmation code which is sent to the number and you are asked to enter it on the website. On Tuesday, July 23, 2013, Dennis Kioko wrote:

Safaricom confirmed you can be subscribed through a website.

Which brings us to the question, what happens if you enter someone else's number? On 23 Jul 2013 21:05, "Brian Ngure" <brian@pixie.co.ke <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'brian@pixie.co.ke');>> wrote:

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I've seen those sites. There is small print saying you will be subscribed to a text sms service at premium rates. It is entirely your fault if you enter your number and start receiving text messages. No one to blame but yourself. And I still think it was silly.

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Brian, that is really hash.

I don't believe some of these stories. Excuse my ignorance. Can the PRSP subscribe you to a paid service through a webform and Safaricom starts deducting your airtime for every sms you receive from the PRSP?

If it was that simple, a crook would just subscribe every existing number from 0700-000000 to 0799-999999 through the said web form

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Probably somebody is working with somebody inside those telcos. This is a serious case, and I wish those few strange happenings can be discussed in the upcoming Internet Governance Forum. Pardon me, but I still don't believe it's possible to be subscribed without you engaging your SIM card in accepting the offer. If that was not the case, then you are sitting on a goldmine. Run to Mutunga -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know

everytime you enter a building and are taken through a security search and are asked to write down your details on a book, that book, i believe is a database for crooked characters. what happens to those books when they are filled up? On Jul 24, 2013 12:34 AM, "Okechukwu" <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

I recently encountered a case where someone did nothing to enter a code in any website and was subscribed. My sister-in-law who lives out of the country bought a SIM card 2 weeks ago and her airtime kept disappearing with these SMS's appearing. We went to Customer Care center at Sarit and she had to be unsubscribed from six of these short codes - and no explanation was given for a new SIM card all of a suddenly subscribing to all those services.

./Ok3ch

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 23, 2013, at 22:15, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:

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Probably somebody is working with somebody inside those telcos. This is a serious case, and I wish those few strange happenings can be discussed in the upcoming Internet Governance Forum.

Pardon me, but I still don't believe it's possible to be subscribed without you engaging your SIM card in accepting the offer. If that was not the case, then you are sitting on a goldmine. Run to Mutunga

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I just scribble. What I write is completely illegible and gibberish [?] On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:

I no longer fill my cellphone in those books since the "Party membership" era.

My eyes were opened.

Wilson./

On 24 July 2013 12:29, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com> wrote:

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everytime you enter a building and are taken through a security search and are asked to write down your details on a book, that book, i believe is a database for crooked characters. what happens to those books when they are filled up? On Jul 24, 2013 12:34 AM, "Okechukwu" <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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I recently encountered a case where someone did nothing to enter a code in any website and was subscribed. My sister-in-law who lives out of the country bought a SIM card 2 weeks ago and her airtime kept disappearing with these SMS's appearing. We went to Customer Care center at Sarit and she had to be unsubscribed from six of these short codes - and no explanation was given for a new SIM card all of a suddenly subscribing to all those services.

./Ok3ch

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 23, 2013, at 22:15, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:

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Probably somebody is working with somebody inside those telcos. This is a serious case, and I wish those few strange happenings can be discussed in the upcoming Internet Governance Forum.

Pardon me, but I still don't believe it's possible to be subscribed without you engaging your SIM card in accepting the offer. If that was not the case, then you are sitting on a goldmine. Run to Mutunga

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I used to change the last digit of my number on those books, then I realised I am the problem since am now putting someone else in shit - so I just fill my own! ./Ok3ch On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

The only place I ever leave my real number in those books is at Safaricom itself....

On Wednesday, 24 July 2013, Thuo Wilson wrote:

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I no longer fill my cellphone in those books since the "Party membership" era.

My eyes were opened.

Wilson./

On 24 July 2013 12:29, Nicholas Mutinda <mutindah@gmail.com> wrote:

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everytime you enter a building and are taken through a security search and are asked to write down your details on a book, that book, i believe is a database for crooked characters. what happens to those books when they are filled up? On Jul 24, 2013 12:34 AM, "Okechukwu" <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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I recently encountered a case where someone did nothing to enter a code in any website and was subscribed. My sister-in-law who lives out of the country bought a SIM card 2 weeks ago and her airtime kept disappearing with these SMS's appearing. We went to Customer Care center at Sarit and she had to be unsubscribed from six of these short codes - and no explanation was given for a new SIM card all of a suddenly subscribing to all those services.

./Ok3ch

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 23, 2013, at 22:15, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:

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Probably somebody is working with somebody inside those telcos. This is a serious case, and I wish those few strange happenings can be discussed in the upcoming Internet Governance Forum.

Pardon me, but I still don't believe it's possible to be subscribed without you engaging your SIM card in accepting the offer. If that was not the case, then you are sitting on a goldmine. Run to Mutunga

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@ Brian In my defense - sometimes i like to test to see if something is really true... In this case - i wanted to find out how they could actually deliver an iPad - or they would tell me to send "shipment" - or it would say "this only applies to citizens of USA" Imagine the surprise when the message came from Safaricom.

You are the reason kenyan spammers are growing in numbers! On 24 July 2013 14:34, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:

@ Brian

In my defense - sometimes i like to test to see if something is really true... In this case - i wanted to find out how they could actually deliver an iPad - or they would tell me to send "shipment" - or it would say "this only applies to citizens of USA"

Imagine the surprise when the message came from Safaricom.

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@Wash - seriously? That doesn't sound very intelligent I should say, coz they recycle numbers all the time and just transferring all the skeletons, ohh my! ./Ok3ch On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

When a number is recycled in the market, it goes with all the 'skeletons' the previous user had. This, I am sure about. I've heard it from the horse's mouth! The new owner just inherits.....

On 24 July 2013 00:33, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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I recently encountered a case where someone did nothing to enter a code in any website and was subscribed. My sister-in-law who lives out of the country bought a SIM card 2 weeks ago and her airtime kept disappearing with these SMS's appearing. We went to Customer Care center at Sarit and she had to be unsubscribed from six of these short codes - and no explanation was given for a new SIM card all of a suddenly subscribing to all those services.

./Ok3ch

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 23, 2013, at 22:15, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:

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Probably somebody is working with somebody inside those telcos. This is a serious case, and I wish those few strange happenings can be discussed in the upcoming Internet Governance Forum.

Pardon me, but I still don't believe it's possible to be subscribed without you engaging your SIM card in accepting the offer. If that was not the case, then you are sitting on a goldmine. Run to Mutunga

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Does that mean that they do not clear previous registration details and Mpesa details from the number either? This is a bit worrying.... On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

Sounded like they do not clean the associated DB. I too was shocked by that.

On 24 July 2013 15:27, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Wash - seriously? That doesn't sound very intelligent I should say, coz they recycle numbers all the time and just transferring all the skeletons, ohh my!

./Ok3ch

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com

wrote:

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When a number is recycled in the market, it goes with all the 'skeletons' the previous user had. This, I am sure about. I've heard it from the horse's mouth! The new owner just inherits.....

On 24 July 2013 00:33, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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I recently encountered a case where someone did nothing to enter a

code

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in any website and was subscribed. My sister-in-law who lives out of the country bought a SIM card 2 weeks ago and her airtime kept disappearing with these SMS's appearing. We went to Customer Care center at Sarit and she had to be unsubscribed from six of these short codes - and no explanation was given for a new SIM card all of a suddenly subscribing to all those services.

./Ok3ch

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 23, 2013, at 22:15, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:

...

Probably somebody is working with somebody inside those telcos. This is a serious case, and I wish those few strange happenings can be discussed in the upcoming Internet Governance Forum.

Pardon me, but I still don't believe it's possible to be subscribed without you engaging your SIM card in accepting the offer. If that was not the case, then you are sitting on a goldmine. Run to Mutunga

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First of all, God bless one Bernard Mwagiru, his children and their children(amen) So after doing *200# and unsubscribing from all , i find that I was subscribed to 5 PRSPs!!!!! some i have no idea how i got subscribed and was wondering how to deal with it when they have no office contacts displayed anywhere. I had been trying to stop then, calling, sending smses and i would just keep getting ringtone and funny smses. But now im unsubscribed from all of them....im even afraid of checking out my bill..... On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 4:06 PM, charles kungu <charles.kungu@gmail.com>wrote:

Has anyone noticed that the info on https://selfcare.safaricom.co.ke is not accurate, especially on the mpesa transactions. Even though there is a disclaimer that the info is not up to date.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

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Sounded like they do not clean the associated DB. I too was shocked by that.

On 24 July 2013 15:27, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Wash - seriously? That doesn't sound very intelligent I should say, coz they recycle numbers all the time and just transferring all the skeletons, ohh my!

./Ok3ch

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

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When a number is recycled in the market, it goes with all the 'skeletons' the previous user had. This, I am sure about. I've heard it from the horse's mouth! The new owner just inherits.....

On 24 July 2013 00:33, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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I recently encountered a case where someone did nothing to enter a

code

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in any website and was subscribed. My sister-in-law who lives out of the country bought a SIM card 2 weeks ago and her airtime kept disappearing with these SMS's appearing. We went to Customer Care center at Sarit and she had to be unsubscribed from six of these short codes - and no explanation was given for a new SIM card all of a suddenly subscribing to all those services.

./Ok3ch

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 23, 2013, at 22:15, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:

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Probably somebody is working with somebody inside those telcos. This is a serious case, and I wish those few strange happenings can be discussed in the upcoming Internet Governance Forum.

Pardon me, but I still don't believe it's possible to be subscribed without you engaging your SIM card in accepting the offer. If that was not the case, then you are sitting on a goldmine. Run to Mutunga

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I found an interesting article that talks about this and more Dark patterns, http://www.90percentofeverything.com/ On Wednesday, July 24, 2013, m mugo wrote:

It has happened to me though not on QB but Airtel.

I receive a call with a rather short looking number +2547xx.

I pick it and some voice-over goes on and on about Fashion Alerts (for Christ's sake, who needs premium services on how to dress!). Now annoyed, I disconnect the call and immediately receive a text that I have been subscribed.Thinking it's a joke, I immediately go back to something more important (than fashion). The next day I receive a silly fashion tip, On day two, I get another one I decide to check my airtime balance and realize I am being deducted KES 10.00 on a daily basis.

That's how easy it is for a PRSP to get your money without you even subscribing.

Mugo

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 4:06 PM, charles kungu <charles.kungu@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'charles.kungu@gmail.com');>

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wrote:

Has anyone noticed that the info on https://selfcare.safaricom.co.ke is not accurate, especially on the mpesa transactions. Even though there is a disclaimer that the info is not up to date.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

Sounded like they do not clean the associated DB. I too was shocked by that.

On 24 July 2013 15:27, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Wash - seriously? That doesn't sound very intelligent I should say, coz they recycle numbers all the time and just transferring all the skeletons, ohh my!

./Ok3ch

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com

wrote:

...

When a number is recycled in the market, it goes with all the 'skeletons' the previous user had. This, I am sure about. I've heard it from the horse's mouth! The new owner just inherits.....

On 24 July 2013 00:33, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I recently encountered a case where someone did nothing to enter a

code

...

...

in any website and was subscribed. My sister-in-law who lives out of the country bought a SIM card 2 weeks ago and her airtime kept disappearing with these SMS's appearing. We went to Customer Care center at Sarit and she had to be unsubscribed from six of these short codes - and no explanation was given for a new SIM card all of a suddenly subscribing to all those services.

./Ok3ch

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 23, 2013, at 22:15, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:

...

Probably somebody is working with somebody inside those telcos. This is a serious case, and I wish those few strange happenings can be discussed in the upcoming Internet Governance Forum.

Pardon me, but I still don't believe it's possible to be subscribed without you engaging your SIM card in accepting the offer. If that was not the case, then you are sitting on a goldmine. Run to Mutunga

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