Re: [Skunkworks] Any IT Job Offers.
Much better argument Muriithi. Since I hope we're past my alleged 'ignorance' of LinkedIn, let's tackle luck. Actually, let me give a elaborate better on my perspective. I don't believe in luck, I believe in probability. You don't win the lottery unless you play, right? Better chances even, when you play smart. Say for example in the Shinda Nyumba na M-Pesa promotion, the criteria was that the more you play the better your chances of winning. You have 1 in a million chances of winning with just one entry if there are a million entries and you play only once. If however the criteria is that the winner is the player with the most entries, you have zero chance with just one entry, if other players send in more entries. I think life is more like the latter. All I'm saying is that just posting your profile on LinkedIn is not enough. Doing a great profile, compared to a good one increases your chances of being noticed. Engagement in relevant group discussions give may you further milage. Recommendations from your previous employers, lecturers and/or peers are great too. I bet you Warren Buffet didn't bet his career on luck. It's news when a man bites a dog, but not so much when a dog bites a man. More dogs bite men than men do dogs. ed On 14 Jan 2016 15:36, "Omingo Obiko" <edobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Haha, Alvin. Hold your horses man!
I've at no point alluded to what seems to be your conclusion. What ignorance do you talk of? I just said I don't believe in luck. Were you recruited on LinkedIn because you were lucky, or was it because you had good credentials and a well done/optimised LinkedIn profile? For your info, I have also hired and been hired via LinkedIn too.
Regards,
ed
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Omingo Obiko
As a skunk your ignorance of Linked In baffles me.
All the world re-knowned Recruiters use this site on behalf of all the biggest companies you can think of worldwide.
try it . 300 million users worldwide can't be ''lucky''.
Regards,
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Tony White via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@George, my point was - post the linkedin url *here* so local guys can easily see your skillset. If you are not on linkedin already, go sign up, fill in your skills/experience, then post again here so we can evaluate. 'I need a job' doesn't really work ;)
Cheers,
On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I didn't know those sites really work, well I don't mind trying...
Rgds On Jan 14, 2016 12:20 PM, "Solomon Kariri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Yes, Many serious recruiters look for talent on linkedin
Solomon Kariri,
Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Well said Tony. The power of Linked In is grossly undermined :-)
Been lucky to have been picked by a recruiter there !
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Tony White via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> It would help if you posted the url of your linkedin public page. > > > On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > wrote: > > Hey Skunks am currently looking for a Job in the I.T world or > > security > > systems any offers are welcome(0726390515) > > > > > -- > Tony White > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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There are situations where we would say you are lucky. A stray projectile missed your eye by half an inch, you are lucky, you fall off the "nduthi" and land on hay, that's luck. A potential employer scans through your linked in profile that you put as a signature in ALL your mails :) and decides to offer you a job, that is not luck. You advertised yourself and marketed your skills to be chosen per-se, and this is where probability plays a part considering the job market is full of tarmacking professionals. https://ke.linkedin.com/in/newton-peter-githinji-mbugua-6a045170 On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Omingo Obiko via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Much better argument Muriithi. Since I hope we're past my alleged 'ignorance' of LinkedIn, let's tackle luck. Actually, let me give a elaborate better on my perspective. I don't believe in luck, I believe in probability.
You don't win the lottery unless you play, right? Better chances even, when you play smart.
Say for example in the Shinda Nyumba na M-Pesa promotion, the criteria was that the more you play the better your chances of winning. You have 1 in a million chances of winning with just one entry if there are a million entries and you play only once. If however the criteria is that the winner is the player with the most entries, you have zero chance with just one entry, if other players send in more entries. I think life is more like the latter.
All I'm saying is that just posting your profile on LinkedIn is not enough. Doing a great profile, compared to a good one increases your chances of being noticed. Engagement in relevant group discussions give may you further milage. Recommendations from your previous employers, lecturers and/or peers are great too.
I bet you Warren Buffet didn't bet his career on luck. It's news when a man bites a dog, but not so much when a dog bites a man. More dogs bite men than men do dogs.
ed On 14 Jan 2016 15:36, "Omingo Obiko" <edobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Haha, Alvin. Hold your horses man!
I've at no point alluded to what seems to be your conclusion. What ignorance do you talk of? I just said I don't believe in luck. Were you recruited on LinkedIn because you were lucky, or was it because you had good credentials and a well done/optimised LinkedIn profile? For your info, I have also hired and been hired via LinkedIn too.
Regards,
ed
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Omingo Obiko
As a skunk your ignorance of Linked In baffles me.
All the world re-knowned Recruiters use this site on behalf of all the biggest companies you can think of worldwide.
try it . 300 million users worldwide can't be ''lucky''.
Regards,
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Tony White via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@George, my point was - post the linkedin url *here* so local guys can easily see your skillset. If you are not on linkedin already, go sign up, fill in your skills/experience, then post again here so we can evaluate. 'I need a job' doesn't really work ;)
Cheers,
On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I didn't know those sites really work, well I don't mind trying...
Rgds On Jan 14, 2016 12:20 PM, "Solomon Kariri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Yes, Many serious recruiters look for talent on linkedin
Solomon Kariri,
Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Well said Tony. The power of Linked In is grossly undermined :-) > > Been lucky to have been picked by a recruiter there ! > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Tony White via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> It would help if you posted the url of your linkedin public page. >> >> >> On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >> wrote: >> > Hey Skunks am currently looking for a Job in the I.T world or >> > security >> > systems any offers are welcome(0726390515) >> > >> >> >> -- >> Tony White >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > ALVIN OCHOLA > 0722-313923 > www.greenline.co.ke > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Whats the difference between luck and coincidence? FYI Im willing to go woth whichever sounds least religious Solomon Kariri, Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:52 AM, newton mbugua via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
There are situations where we would say you are lucky. A stray projectile missed your eye by half an inch, you are lucky, you fall off the "nduthi" and land on hay, that's luck. A potential employer scans through your linked in profile that you put as a signature in ALL your mails :) and decides to offer you a job, that is not luck. You advertised yourself and marketed your skills to be chosen per-se, and this is where probability plays a part considering the job market is full of tarmacking professionals.
https://ke.linkedin.com/in/newton-peter-githinji-mbugua-6a045170
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Omingo Obiko via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Much better argument Muriithi. Since I hope we're past my alleged 'ignorance' of LinkedIn, let's tackle luck. Actually, let me give a elaborate better on my perspective. I don't believe in luck, I believe in probability.
You don't win the lottery unless you play, right? Better chances even, when you play smart.
Say for example in the Shinda Nyumba na M-Pesa promotion, the criteria was that the more you play the better your chances of winning. You have 1 in a million chances of winning with just one entry if there are a million entries and you play only once. If however the criteria is that the winner is the player with the most entries, you have zero chance with just one entry, if other players send in more entries. I think life is more like the latter.
All I'm saying is that just posting your profile on LinkedIn is not enough. Doing a great profile, compared to a good one increases your chances of being noticed. Engagement in relevant group discussions give may you further milage. Recommendations from your previous employers, lecturers and/or peers are great too.
I bet you Warren Buffet didn't bet his career on luck. It's news when a man bites a dog, but not so much when a dog bites a man. More dogs bite men than men do dogs.
ed On 14 Jan 2016 15:36, "Omingo Obiko" <edobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Haha, Alvin. Hold your horses man!
I've at no point alluded to what seems to be your conclusion. What ignorance do you talk of? I just said I don't believe in luck. Were you recruited on LinkedIn because you were lucky, or was it because you had good credentials and a well done/optimised LinkedIn profile? For your info, I have also hired and been hired via LinkedIn too.
Regards,
ed
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com
wrote:
Omingo Obiko
As a skunk your ignorance of Linked In baffles me.
All the world re-knowned Recruiters use this site on behalf of all the biggest companies you can think of worldwide.
try it . 300 million users worldwide can't be ''lucky''.
Regards,
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Tony White via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@George, my point was - post the linkedin url *here* so local guys can easily see your skillset. If you are not on linkedin already, go sign up, fill in your skills/experience, then post again here so we can evaluate. 'I need a job' doesn't really work ;)
Cheers,
On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I didn't know those sites really work, well I don't mind trying...
Rgds On Jan 14, 2016 12:20 PM, "Solomon Kariri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Yes, > Many serious recruiters look for talent on linkedin > > Solomon Kariri, > > Software Developer, > Cell: +254721 956 172 > Skype: solomonkariri > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Well said Tony. The power of Linked In is grossly undermined :-) >> >> Been lucky to have been picked by a recruiter there ! >> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Tony White via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> It would help if you posted the url of your linkedin public page. >>> >>> >>> On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>> wrote: >>> > Hey Skunks am currently looking for a Job in the I.T world or >>> > security >>> > systems any offers are welcome(0726390515) >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tony White >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ALVIN OCHOLA >> 0722-313923 >> www.greenline.co.ke >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Well said Newton ! On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 8:52 AM, newton mbugua <nmbugua22@gmail.com> wrote:
There are situations where we would say you are lucky. A stray projectile missed your eye by half an inch, you are lucky, you fall off the "nduthi" and land on hay, that's luck. A potential employer scans through your linked in profile that you put as a signature in ALL your mails :) and decides to offer you a job, that is not luck. You advertised yourself and marketed your skills to be chosen per-se, and this is where probability plays a part considering the job market is full of tarmacking professionals.
https://ke.linkedin.com/in/newton-peter-githinji-mbugua-6a045170
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Omingo Obiko via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Much better argument Muriithi. Since I hope we're past my alleged 'ignorance' of LinkedIn, let's tackle luck. Actually, let me give a elaborate better on my perspective. I don't believe in luck, I believe in probability.
You don't win the lottery unless you play, right? Better chances even, when you play smart.
Say for example in the Shinda Nyumba na M-Pesa promotion, the criteria was that the more you play the better your chances of winning. You have 1 in a million chances of winning with just one entry if there are a million entries and you play only once. If however the criteria is that the winner is the player with the most entries, you have zero chance with just one entry, if other players send in more entries. I think life is more like the latter.
All I'm saying is that just posting your profile on LinkedIn is not enough. Doing a great profile, compared to a good one increases your chances of being noticed. Engagement in relevant group discussions give may you further milage. Recommendations from your previous employers, lecturers and/or peers are great too.
I bet you Warren Buffet didn't bet his career on luck. It's news when a man bites a dog, but not so much when a dog bites a man. More dogs bite men than men do dogs.
ed On 14 Jan 2016 15:36, "Omingo Obiko" <edobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Haha, Alvin. Hold your horses man!
I've at no point alluded to what seems to be your conclusion. What ignorance do you talk of? I just said I don't believe in luck. Were you recruited on LinkedIn because you were lucky, or was it because you had good credentials and a well done/optimised LinkedIn profile? For your info, I have also hired and been hired via LinkedIn too.
Regards,
ed
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com
wrote:
Omingo Obiko
As a skunk your ignorance of Linked In baffles me.
All the world re-knowned Recruiters use this site on behalf of all the biggest companies you can think of worldwide.
try it . 300 million users worldwide can't be ''lucky''.
Regards,
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Tony White via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@George, my point was - post the linkedin url *here* so local guys can easily see your skillset. If you are not on linkedin already, go sign up, fill in your skills/experience, then post again here so we can evaluate. 'I need a job' doesn't really work ;)
Cheers,
On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I didn't know those sites really work, well I don't mind trying...
Rgds On Jan 14, 2016 12:20 PM, "Solomon Kariri via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Yes, > Many serious recruiters look for talent on linkedin > > Solomon Kariri, > > Software Developer, > Cell: +254721 956 172 > Skype: solomonkariri > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Well said Tony. The power of Linked In is grossly undermined :-) >> >> Been lucky to have been picked by a recruiter there ! >> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Tony White via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> It would help if you posted the url of your linkedin public page. >>> >>> >>> On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>> wrote: >>> > Hey Skunks am currently looking for a Job in the I.T world or >>> > security >>> > systems any offers are welcome(0726390515) >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tony White >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ALVIN OCHOLA >> 0722-313923 >> www.greenline.co.ke >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Some of us could have made some very good lawyers :-) # probability or luck On Jan 15, 2016 10:43 AM, "Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Well said Newton !
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 8:52 AM, newton mbugua <nmbugua22@gmail.com> wrote:
There are situations where we would say you are lucky. A stray projectile missed your eye by half an inch, you are lucky, you fall off the "nduthi" and land on hay, that's luck. A potential employer scans through your linked in profile that you put as a signature in ALL your mails :) and decides to offer you a job, that is not luck. You advertised yourself and marketed your skills to be chosen per-se, and this is where probability plays a part considering the job market is full of tarmacking professionals.
https://ke.linkedin.com/in/newton-peter-githinji-mbugua-6a045170
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Omingo Obiko via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Much better argument Muriithi. Since I hope we're past my alleged 'ignorance' of LinkedIn, let's tackle luck. Actually, let me give a elaborate better on my perspective. I don't believe in luck, I believe in probability.
You don't win the lottery unless you play, right? Better chances even, when you play smart.
Say for example in the Shinda Nyumba na M-Pesa promotion, the criteria was that the more you play the better your chances of winning. You have 1 in a million chances of winning with just one entry if there are a million entries and you play only once. If however the criteria is that the winner is the player with the most entries, you have zero chance with just one entry, if other players send in more entries. I think life is more like the latter.
All I'm saying is that just posting your profile on LinkedIn is not enough. Doing a great profile, compared to a good one increases your chances of being noticed. Engagement in relevant group discussions give may you further milage. Recommendations from your previous employers, lecturers and/or peers are great too.
I bet you Warren Buffet didn't bet his career on luck. It's news when a man bites a dog, but not so much when a dog bites a man. More dogs bite men than men do dogs.
ed On 14 Jan 2016 15:36, "Omingo Obiko" <edobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Haha, Alvin. Hold your horses man!
I've at no point alluded to what seems to be your conclusion. What ignorance do you talk of? I just said I don't believe in luck. Were you recruited on LinkedIn because you were lucky, or was it because you had good credentials and a well done/optimised LinkedIn profile? For your info, I have also hired and been hired via LinkedIn too.
Regards,
ed
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng < ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Omingo Obiko
As a skunk your ignorance of Linked In baffles me.
All the world re-knowned Recruiters use this site on behalf of all the biggest companies you can think of worldwide.
try it . 300 million users worldwide can't be ''lucky''.
Regards,
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Tony White via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
@George, my point was - post the linkedin url *here* so local guys can easily see your skillset. If you are not on linkedin already, go sign up, fill in your skills/experience, then post again here so we can evaluate. 'I need a job' doesn't really work ;)
Cheers,
On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > I didn't know those sites really work, well I don't mind trying... > > Rgds > On Jan 14, 2016 12:20 PM, "Solomon Kariri via skunkworks" < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Yes, >> Many serious recruiters look for talent on linkedin >> >> Solomon Kariri, >> >> Software Developer, >> Cell: +254721 956 172 >> Skype: solomonkariri >> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Well said Tony. The power of Linked In is grossly undermined :-) >>> >>> Been lucky to have been picked by a recruiter there ! >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Tony White via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> It would help if you posted the url of your linkedin public page. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Hey Skunks am currently looking for a Job in the I.T world or >>>> > security >>>> > systems any offers are welcome(0726390515) >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tony White >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ALVIN OCHOLA >>> 0722-313923 >>> www.greenline.co.ke >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >
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The thing with luck, is that you have to be in a position to get lucky. It is why the rich get richer faster than the poor get rich, because they are in a better position to get lucky. What do the numbers say? The number one source of people getting new jobs is via referrals. Build your network. ] The number two source is recruiting agencies. Make it easier for them to find you, or find them. https://t.co/NR4eMDAAfy On Friday, 15 January 2016, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Well said Newton !
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 8:52 AM, newton mbugua <nmbugua22@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nmbugua22@gmail.com');>> wrote:
There are situations where we would say you are lucky. A stray projectile missed your eye by half an inch, you are lucky, you fall off the "nduthi" and land on hay, that's luck. A potential employer scans through your linked in profile that you put as a signature in ALL your mails :) and decides to offer you a job, that is not luck. You advertised yourself and marketed your skills to be chosen per-se, and this is where probability plays a part considering the job market is full of tarmacking professionals.
https://ke.linkedin.com/in/newton-peter-githinji-mbugua-6a045170
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Omingo Obiko via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote:
Much better argument Muriithi. Since I hope we're past my alleged 'ignorance' of LinkedIn, let's tackle luck. Actually, let me give a elaborate better on my perspective. I don't believe in luck, I believe in probability.
You don't win the lottery unless you play, right? Better chances even, when you play smart.
Say for example in the Shinda Nyumba na M-Pesa promotion, the criteria was that the more you play the better your chances of winning. You have 1 in a million chances of winning with just one entry if there are a million entries and you play only once. If however the criteria is that the winner is the player with the most entries, you have zero chance with just one entry, if other players send in more entries. I think life is more like the latter.
All I'm saying is that just posting your profile on LinkedIn is not enough. Doing a great profile, compared to a good one increases your chances of being noticed. Engagement in relevant group discussions give may you further milage. Recommendations from your previous employers, lecturers and/or peers are great too.
I bet you Warren Buffet didn't bet his career on luck. It's news when a man bites a dog, but not so much when a dog bites a man. More dogs bite men than men do dogs.
ed On 14 Jan 2016 15:36, "Omingo Obiko" <edobie@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','edobie@gmail.com');>> wrote:
Haha, Alvin. Hold your horses man!
I've at no point alluded to what seems to be your conclusion. What ignorance do you talk of? I just said I don't believe in luck. Were you recruited on LinkedIn because you were lucky, or was it because you had good credentials and a well done/optimised LinkedIn profile? For your info, I have also hired and been hired via LinkedIn too.
Regards,
ed
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng < ajochola@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ajochola@gmail.com');>
wrote:
Omingo Obiko
As a skunk your ignorance of Linked In baffles me.
All the world re-knowned Recruiters use this site on behalf of all the biggest companies you can think of worldwide.
try it . 300 million users worldwide can't be ''lucky''.
Regards,
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Tony White via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote:
@George, my point was - post the linkedin url *here* so local guys can easily see your skillset. If you are not on linkedin already, go sign up, fill in your skills/experience, then post again here so we can evaluate. 'I need a job' doesn't really work ;)
Cheers,
On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: > I didn't know those sites really work, well I don't mind trying... > > Rgds > On Jan 14, 2016 12:20 PM, "Solomon Kariri via skunkworks" < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: > >> Yes, >> Many serious recruiters look for talent on linkedin >> >> Solomon Kariri, >> >> Software Developer, >> Cell: +254721 956 172 >> Skype: solomonkariri >> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: >> >>> Well said Tony. The power of Linked In is grossly undermined :-) >>> >>> Been lucky to have been picked by a recruiter there ! >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Tony White via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: >>> >>>> It would help if you posted the url of your linkedin public page. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Hey Skunks am currently looking for a Job in the I.T world or >>>> > security >>>> > systems any offers are welcome(0726390515) >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tony White >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');> >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ALVIN OCHOLA >>> 0722-313923 >>> www.greenline.co.ke >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');> >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');> >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >
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Quote: I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more of it I seem to have. Coleman Cox, in Listen to this (1922). Unsourced variant: The harder I work, the luckier I get. Sometimes mistakenly attributed to Thomas Jefferson, Stephen Leacock, or Samuel Goldwyn. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Luck :) On 15/01/2016, Dennis Kioko via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The thing with luck, is that you have to be in a position to get lucky. It is why the rich get richer faster than the poor get rich, because they are in a better position to get lucky.
What do the numbers say?
The number one source of people getting new jobs is via referrals. Build your network. ]
The number two source is recruiting agencies. Make it easier for them to find you, or find them.
On Friday, 15 January 2016, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Well said Newton !
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 8:52 AM, newton mbugua <nmbugua22@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nmbugua22@gmail.com');>> wrote:
There are situations where we would say you are lucky. A stray projectile missed your eye by half an inch, you are lucky, you fall off the "nduthi" and land on hay, that's luck. A potential employer scans through your linked in profile that you put as a signature in ALL your mails :) and decides to offer you a job, that is not luck. You advertised yourself and marketed your skills to be chosen per-se, and this is where probability plays a part considering the job market is full of tarmacking professionals.
https://ke.linkedin.com/in/newton-peter-githinji-mbugua-6a045170
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Omingo Obiko via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote:
Much better argument Muriithi. Since I hope we're past my alleged 'ignorance' of LinkedIn, let's tackle luck. Actually, let me give a elaborate better on my perspective. I don't believe in luck, I believe in probability.
You don't win the lottery unless you play, right? Better chances even, when you play smart.
Say for example in the Shinda Nyumba na M-Pesa promotion, the criteria was that the more you play the better your chances of winning. You have 1 in a million chances of winning with just one entry if there are a million entries and you play only once. If however the criteria is that the winner is the player with the most entries, you have zero chance with just one entry, if other players send in more entries. I think life is more like the latter.
All I'm saying is that just posting your profile on LinkedIn is not enough. Doing a great profile, compared to a good one increases your chances of being noticed. Engagement in relevant group discussions give may you further milage. Recommendations from your previous employers, lecturers and/or peers are great too.
I bet you Warren Buffet didn't bet his career on luck. It's news when a man bites a dog, but not so much when a dog bites a man. More dogs bite men than men do dogs.
ed On 14 Jan 2016 15:36, "Omingo Obiko" <edobie@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','edobie@gmail.com');>> wrote:
Haha, Alvin. Hold your horses man!
I've at no point alluded to what seems to be your conclusion. What ignorance do you talk of? I just said I don't believe in luck. Were you recruited on LinkedIn because you were lucky, or was it because you had good credentials and a well done/optimised LinkedIn profile? For your info, I have also hired and been hired via LinkedIn too.
Regards,
ed
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng < ajochola@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ajochola@gmail.com');>
wrote:
Omingo Obiko
As a skunk your ignorance of Linked In baffles me.
All the world re-knowned Recruiters use this site on behalf of all the biggest companies you can think of worldwide.
try it . 300 million users worldwide can't be ''lucky''.
Regards,
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Tony White via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote:
> @George, my point was - post the linkedin url *here* so local guys > can > easily see your skillset. If you are not on linkedin already, go > sign > up, fill in your skills/experience, then post again here so we can > evaluate. 'I need a job' doesn't really work ;) > > Cheers, > > > On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks > <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: > > I didn't know those sites really work, well I don't mind trying... > > > > Rgds > > On Jan 14, 2016 12:20 PM, "Solomon Kariri via skunkworks" < > > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: > > > >> Yes, > >> Many serious recruiters look for talent on linkedin > >> > >> Solomon Kariri, > >> > >> Software Developer, > >> Cell: +254721 956 172 > >> Skype: solomonkariri > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via > skunkworks < > >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: > >> > >>> Well said Tony. The power of Linked In is grossly undermined :-) > >>> > >>> Been lucky to have been picked by a recruiter there ! > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Tony White via skunkworks < > >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> It would help if you posted the url of your linkedin public > >>>> page. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > Hey Skunks am currently looking for a Job in the I.T world or > >>>> > security > >>>> > systems any offers are welcome(0726390515) > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Tony White > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> skunkworks mailing list > >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');> > >>>> ------------ > >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >>>> ------------ > >>>> > >>>> Skunkworks Rules > >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >>>> ------------ > >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> ALVIN OCHOLA > >>> 0722-313923 > >>> www.greenline.co.ke > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> skunkworks mailing list > >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');> > >>> ------------ > >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >>> ------------ > >>> > >>> Skunkworks Rules > >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >>> ------------ > >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> skunkworks mailing list > >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');> > >> ------------ > >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> ------------ > >> > >> Skunkworks Rules > >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >> ------------ > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> > > > > > -- > Tony White > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');> > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Thumbs up Dennis ! On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Tony White via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Quote:
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more of it I seem to have. Coleman Cox, in Listen to this (1922).
Unsourced variant: The harder I work, the luckier I get. Sometimes mistakenly attributed to Thomas Jefferson, Stephen Leacock, or Samuel Goldwyn.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Luck
:)
On 15/01/2016, Dennis Kioko via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The thing with luck, is that you have to be in a position to get lucky. It is why the rich get richer faster than the poor get rich, because they are in a better position to get lucky.
What do the numbers say?
The number one source of people getting new jobs is via referrals. Build your network. ]
The number two source is recruiting agencies. Make it easier for them to find you, or find them.
On Friday, 15 January 2016, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Well said Newton !
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 8:52 AM, newton mbugua <nmbugua22@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nmbugua22@gmail.com');>> wrote:
There are situations where we would say you are lucky. A stray projectile missed your eye by half an inch, you are lucky, you fall off the "nduthi" and land on hay, that's luck. A potential employer scans through your linked in profile that you put as a signature in ALL your mails :) and decides to offer you a job, that is not luck. You advertised yourself and marketed your skills to be chosen per-se, and this is where probability plays a part considering the job market is full of tarmacking professionals.
https://ke.linkedin.com/in/newton-peter-githinji-mbugua-6a045170
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Omingo Obiko via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote:
Much better argument Muriithi. Since I hope we're past my alleged 'ignorance' of LinkedIn, let's tackle luck. Actually, let me give a elaborate better on my perspective. I don't believe in luck, I believe in probability.
You don't win the lottery unless you play, right? Better chances even, when you play smart.
Say for example in the Shinda Nyumba na M-Pesa promotion, the criteria was that the more you play the better your chances of winning. You have 1 in a million chances of winning with just one entry if there are a million entries and you play only once. If however the criteria is that the winner is the player with the most entries, you have zero chance with just one entry, if other players send in more entries. I think life is more like the latter.
All I'm saying is that just posting your profile on LinkedIn is not enough. Doing a great profile, compared to a good one increases your chances of being noticed. Engagement in relevant group discussions give may you further milage. Recommendations from your previous employers, lecturers and/or peers are great too.
I bet you Warren Buffet didn't bet his career on luck. It's news when a man bites a dog, but not so much when a dog bites a man. More dogs bite men than men do dogs.
ed On 14 Jan 2016 15:36, "Omingo Obiko" <edobie@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','edobie@gmail.com');>> wrote:
Haha, Alvin. Hold your horses man!
I've at no point alluded to what seems to be your conclusion. What ignorance do you talk of? I just said I don't believe in luck. Were you recruited on LinkedIn because you were lucky, or was it because you had good credentials and a well done/optimised LinkedIn profile? For your info, I have also hired and been hired via LinkedIn too.
Regards,
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng < ajochola@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ajochola@gmail.com');> > wrote:
> Omingo Obiko > > As a skunk your ignorance of Linked In baffles me. > > All the world re-knowned Recruiters use this site on behalf of all > the > biggest companies you > can think of worldwide. > > https://www.linkedin.com/ > > try it . 300 million users worldwide can't be ''lucky''. > > > Regards, > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Tony White via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: > >> @George, my point was - post the linkedin url *here* so local guys >> can >> easily see your skillset. If you are not on linkedin already, go >> sign >> up, fill in your skills/experience, then post again here so we can >> evaluate. 'I need a job' doesn't really work ;) >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks >> <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: >> > I didn't know those sites really work, well I don't mind trying... >> > >> > Rgds >> > On Jan 14, 2016 12:20 PM, "Solomon Kariri via skunkworks" < >> > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: >> > >> >> Yes, >> >> Many serious recruiters look for talent on linkedin >> >> >> >> Solomon Kariri, >> >> >> >> Software Developer, >> >> Cell: +254721 956 172 >> >> Skype: solomonkariri >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via >> skunkworks < >> >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Well said Tony. The power of Linked In is grossly undermined :-) >> >>> >> >>> Been lucky to have been picked by a recruiter there ! >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Tony White via skunkworks < >> >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> It would help if you posted the url of your linkedin public >> >>>> page. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 14/01/2016, George Derry via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> > Hey Skunks am currently looking for a Job in the I.T world or >> >>>> > security >> >>>> > systems any offers are welcome(0726390515) >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Tony White >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> skunkworks mailing list >> >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');> >> >>>> ------------ >> >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >>>> ------------ >> >>>> >> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >> >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >>>> ------------ >> >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> ALVIN OCHOLA >> >>> 0722-313923 >> >>> www.greenline.co.ke >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> skunkworks mailing list >> >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');> >> >>> ------------ >> >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >>> ------------ >> >>> >> >>> Skunkworks Rules >> >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >>> ------------ >> >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> skunkworks mailing list >> >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');> >> >> ------------ >> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> Tony White >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');> >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > ALVIN OCHOLA > 0722-313923 > www.greenline.co.ke >
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Alvin Jason Ochieng -
Dennis Kioko -
George Derry -
newton mbugua -
Omingo Obiko -
Solomon Kariri -
Tony White