Actually, 25th December was chosen since Christians wanted to escape persecution, so they took a pagan holiday to create a birthday for Jesus - History Channel has a lot of this evedence during this season. ./Ok3ch On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the wishes. Question though : Is there any historical record, Bublical or otherwise, of the commemoration of Jesus' day of birth?

On Dec 24, 2012 10:17 AM, "Timothy Mutugi" <timothymutugi@gmail.com> wrote:

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Remember the birth of Jesus that we may share in the songs of the angels the gladness of the shepherds, and the worship of the wise men & may Christmas morning make us happy.

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Happy Holidays everyone On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Davis Munene <davismunene@gmail.com>wrote:

Merry Christmas skunkers. Happy festivities. Davis On Dec 24, 2012 10:17 AM, "Timothy Mutugi" <timothymutugi@gmail.com> wrote:

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Merry Christmas Skunks/Skunkettes/Skunklings

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Ben, There's a little evidence out there that He was born around April, though as Christians, what matters is that He came to shine light to His family, which is you and me. That light is the Truth, and thats what we celebrate each 25th. The date when Truth was revealed to mankind. Merry Christmas Skunkworks team and your families. Peter

I have learnt 2 things about this subject in life. (my own quote) “One that religion has nothing to do with god and the other that people have everything to do with religion.” (people are political so everything they touch becomes political) Happy Holidays Sham From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Bernard Mwagiru Sent: December-26-12 8:51 AM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Merry Christmas Thanks ok3tch and Peter, It's evident that those were trying times for early Christians and yes, the cause is more important than the why. However, thank God for History and Natgeo channels. I've learnt that so much has been modified in history that the present books of the bible hardly resemble the earlier ones. It's as though we have to (blindly?) believe others were bestowed(ordained? ) with responsibility of deleting/adding/modifying....Why aren't the various accounts chronological if at all they were all present with Jesus? Why was Judas book and account discarded? *sigh* ./bernard On Dec 25, 2012 4:41 PM, "Peter Osotsi" <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote: Ben, There's a little evidence out there that He was born around April, though as Christians, what matters is that He came to shine light to His family, which is you and me. That light is the Truth, and thats what we celebrate each 25th. The date when Truth was revealed to mankind. Merry Christmas Skunkworks team and your families. Peter _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> &t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

"One that religion has nothing to do with god ..." true On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Sham Kanji <shamhad@kanji.ca> wrote:

I have learnt 2 things about this subject in life. (my own quote)****

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“One that religion has nothing to do with god and the other that people have everything to do with religion.”****

(people are political so everything they touch becomes political)****

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Happy Holidays****

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Sham****

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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Bernard Mwagiru *Sent:* December-26-12 8:51 AM *To:* Skunkworks forum *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Merry Christmas****

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Thanks ok3tch and Peter, It's evident that those were trying times for early Christians and yes, the cause is more important than the why. However, thank God for History and Natgeo channels. I've learnt that so much has been modified in history that the present books of the bible hardly resemble the earlier ones. It's as though we have to (blindly?) believe others were bestowed(ordained? ) with responsibility of deleting/adding/modifying....Why aren't the various accounts chronological if at all they were all present with Jesus? Why was Judas book and account discarded? *sigh*****

./bernard****

On Dec 25, 2012 4:41 PM, "Peter Osotsi" <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:*** *

Ben,****

There's a little evidence out there that He was born around April, though as Christians, what matters is that He came to shine light to His family, which is you and me. That light is the Truth, and thats what we celebrate each 25th. The date when Truth was revealed to mankind.****

Merry Christmas Skunkworks team and your families.****

Peter****

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@Bernard, Why aren't the various accounts chronological if at all they were all present with Jesus? None of the accounts were recorded in real-time, but were mostly 2nd, 3rd, even n^th accounts from memory and distorted word-of-mouth translations. (If only FB existed back then, Paul could just unfriend Judas chapchap and update status to "OMG!!! Judas just betrayed JC!!!<insert favourite Hebrew curse-word here>") Why was Judas book and account discarded? Probably because he chose to include little unpleasant details, escapades, in-house domestics etc etc that might have made JC & team look less than divine. In other words, Judas might have been too honest for the good of the young religion, so his records got the boot. The same happened to the old testament, where a bunch of books got discared from the mainstream versions of the bible, simply because they brought to light customs, disagreements etc that would have raised questions from the masses. Whatever the birth date, at least we get "many" days off work :) Have a sweel time everyone! Just don't do anything baby Jesus wouldn't do! <arm-chair theologist> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks ok3tch and Peter, It's evident that those were trying times for early Christians and yes, the cause is more important than the why. However, thank God for History and Natgeo channels. I've learnt that so much has been modified in history that the present books of the bible hardly resemble the earlier ones. It's as though we have to (blindly?) believe others were bestowed(ordained? ) with responsibility of deleting/adding/modifying....Why aren't the various accounts chronological if at all they were all present with Jesus? Why was Judas book and account discarded? *sigh*

./bernard On Dec 25, 2012 4:41 PM, "Peter Osotsi" <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:

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Ben,

There's a little evidence out there that He was born around April, though as Christians, what matters is that He came to shine light to His family, which is you and me. That light is the Truth, and thats what we celebrate each 25th. The date when Truth was revealed to mankind.

Merry Christmas Skunkworks team and your families.

Peter

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