Just to do a quick hijack of a previous thread :). I was recently involved in a project by the Aga Khan University, they were trying to get information on what they should include in their degree programs... One thing came out clearly, papers are a means to getting you through the door. I don't agree with those saying that for you to get a good job you need to grease... I know some of the most competent people in IT today have no uni papers, if you are really good at what you do, people will seek you out... That being said, the main reason people look for graduates is because, as a result of university education, you have a minimum of linguistic and organizational skills (not always the case). Employers find themselves being forced to retrain graduates. Which begs the question, in Kenya, exactly what function do our degrees serve? I'm sure there are many here who studied degrees in Chemistry, Finance, Linguistics, Environmental science etc, but find themselves in IT... There are others who have engineering degrees in Finance... Evidently the baseline for the degree is how well you did, hence you use that as a baseline to estimate the work ethic... But again, what's the value of the degree, generally in the .ke market? -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ |
A relative once told me that a degree teaches you to think critically but I think your performance in University displays your work ethic. What gets you ahead in life is not just papers but your soft skills coupled with them. On 16 November 2010 13:50, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to do a quick hijack of a previous thread :). I was recently involved in a project by the Aga Khan University, they were trying to get information on what they should include in their degree programs... One thing came out clearly, papers are a means to getting you through the door. I don't agree with those saying that for you to get a good job you need to grease... I know some of the most competent people in IT today have no uni papers, if you are really good at what you do, people will seek you out... That being said, the main reason people look for graduates is because, as a result of university education, you have a minimum of linguistic and organizational skills (not always the case). Employers find themselves being forced to retrain graduates. Which begs the question, in Kenya, exactly what function do our degrees serve? I'm sure there are many here who studied degrees in Chemistry, Finance, Linguistics, Environmental science etc, but find themselves in IT... There are others who have engineering degrees in Finance... Evidently the baseline for the degree is how well you did, hence you use that as a baseline to estimate the work ethic... But again, what's the value of the degree, generally in the .ke market? -- With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
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I am avoiding participating in this discussion because I may favour one side as a result of been a victim. Otherwise, so far too, havent been required to present my papers anywhere. However, it seems the big four and most companies hiring graduate management trainees are a big fan of papers, though it looks like they later import solutions rather than entrust their hired staff with coming up with them.
dennnis you hit the nail on the head, a degree just tries to expand your style of thinking but if you already can what the hell, just do what you do best, am in I.T with a degree but i cant seem to specialize in one area, i think once you can visualize your goal in your mind, its over. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am avoiding participating in this discussion because I may favour one side as a result of been a victim. Otherwise, so far too, havent been required to present my papers anywhere.
However, it seems the big four and most companies hiring graduate management trainees are a big fan of papers, though it looks like they later import solutions rather than entrust their hired staff with coming up with them.
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I.T is among the fields where one can excel/survive without a degree but for most of the other technical field like Engineering, it's mandatory to have uni papers. Also, many will admit that degrees even in I.T jobs are vital for promotion/job advancement. All in all, you are better off with a degree! Allan M, Random Guy.
who said you have to be employed? On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:00 PM, allan oware <lumtegis@gmail.com> wrote:
I.T is among the fields where one can excel/survive without a degree but for most of the other technical field like Engineering, it's mandatory to have uni papers. Also, many will admit that degrees even in I.T jobs are vital for promotion/job advancement. All in all, you are better off with a degree!
Allan M, Random Guy.
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