Re: [Skunkworks] Space in UoN
@TheMburu - Its called capitalism, deal with it!
./Ok3ch
Got to disagree with you here. Poaching elephants is driven capitalism - read self interest first, fuck everybody else - yet most of us agree its very destructive to society as a whole. Heck selling drugs is based on capitalism, someone is willing to pay for it at a certain price, yet in most places, it can send you to jail. Heck, even toa kitu kidogo is capitalism, but you no very well how it destroy countries. In short, we as society has rejected raw capitalism so your argument is a bit thin. Mburu has done his citizenship duties here, raised a flag that someone is abusing a service that was meant to help the needy.. Don't expect Njoroge to stop but at least the group know what they are getting into now. It's not a clean deal, so he is now at a disadvantage when negotiating. He will have to eat the corruption premium thanks to Mburu. William
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com>
wrote:
I believe this is unfair, to my knowledge such spaces are allocated to
the
needy students who need assistance to help themselves.
It is thus un-orthodox to see someone auction such noble projects above all in skunks.
My cents.
./TheMburu
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:53 PM, martin chege <mcnjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I have a space in UoN ideal for photocopy, cyber cafe, movies and printing. It is located near their student centre hence huge traffic. If you have done business in campus, you know all you need is the space. There is no licence fee, no goodwill and of course no low months (apart from two weeks break during Christmas). The space is up for lease. If interested, contact me off list.
Regards,
Martin Chege
@William: 1. Poaching 2. Selling drugs 3. Bribery Are all vices present in the nature of human beings, and will manifest themselves in capitalism, communism, socialism, and any other *ism that may exist. They are NOT a result of or a consequence of capitalism. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:29 AM, William Muriithi <william.muriithi@gmail.com
wrote:
@TheMburu - Its called capitalism, deal with it!
./Ok3ch
Got to disagree with you here. Poaching elephants is driven capitalism - read self interest first, fuck everybody else - yet most of us agree its very destructive to society as a whole. Heck selling drugs is based on capitalism, someone is willing to pay for it at a certain price, yet in most places, it can send you to jail. Heck, even toa kitu kidogo is capitalism, but you no very well how it destroy countries. In short, we as society has rejected raw capitalism so your argument is a bit thin.
Mburu has done his citizenship duties here, raised a flag that someone is abusing a service that was meant to help the needy.. Don't expect Njoroge to stop but at least the group know what they are getting into now. It's not a clean deal, so he is now at a disadvantage when negotiating. He will have to eat the corruption premium thanks to Mburu.
William
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com>
wrote:
I believe this is unfair, to my knowledge such spaces are allocated to
the
needy students who need assistance to help themselves.
It is thus un-orthodox to see someone auction such noble projects above all in skunks.
My cents.
./TheMburu
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:53 PM, martin chege <mcnjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I have a space in UoN ideal for photocopy, cyber cafe, movies and printing. It is located near their student centre hence huge traffic. If you have done business in campus, you know all you need is the space. There is no licence fee, no goodwill and of course no low months (apart from two weeks break during Christmas). The space is up for lease. If interested, contact me off list.
Regards,
Martin Chege
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-- Regards, Peter Karunyu -------------------
Hi, On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@William:
1. Poaching 2. Selling drugs 3. Bribery
Are all vices present in the nature of human beings, and will manifest themselves in capitalism, communism, socialism, and any other *ism that may exist.
+2 I know this closely edges on the fringes of conspiracy theories but the person(s) who "designed" communism (later Marxism / Leninism) and capitalism are one and the same. Look up some guy called Albert Pike, for some reason the Wikipedia page on the gentleman does not open up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike <tangent /> The preferable system of economics to adapt is a "Social (guided?) democracy" or just socialism. We had it in the early days after most countries got independence in African though it died out when the "ideological warfare" of the East Vs. the West started. There is an interesting article here which shows how it all is supposed to work as an economic model http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571136-politicians-both-right-and-le... Martin. They are NOT a result of or a consequence of capitalism.
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:29 AM, William Muriithi < william.muriithi@gmail.com> wrote:
@TheMburu - Its called capitalism, deal with it!
./Ok3ch
Got to disagree with you here. Poaching elephants is driven capitalism - read self interest first, fuck everybody else - yet most of us agree its very destructive to society as a whole. Heck selling drugs is based on capitalism, someone is willing to pay for it at a certain price, yet in most places, it can send you to jail. Heck, even toa kitu kidogo is capitalism, but you no very well how it destroy countries. In short, we as society has rejected raw capitalism so your argument is a bit thin.
Mburu has done his citizenship duties here, raised a flag that someone is abusing a service that was meant to help the needy.. Don't expect Njoroge to stop but at least the group know what they are getting into now. It's not a clean deal, so he is now at a disadvantage when negotiating. He will have to eat the corruption premium thanks to Mburu.
William
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com>
wrote:
I believe this is unfair, to my knowledge such spaces are allocated
to the
needy students who need assistance to help themselves.
It is thus un-orthodox to see someone auction such noble projects above all in skunks.
My cents.
./TheMburu
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:53 PM, martin chege <mcnjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Guys,
I have a space in UoN ideal for photocopy, cyber cafe, movies and printing. It is located near their student centre hence huge traffic. If you have done business in campus, you know all you need is the space. There is no licence fee, no goodwill and of course no low months (apart from two weeks break during Christmas). The space is up for lease. If interested, contact me off list.
Regards,
Martin Chege
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-- Regards, Peter Karunyu -------------------
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Peter,
@William:
1. Poaching 2. Selling drugs 3. Bribery
Are all vices present in the nature of human beings, and will manifest themselves in capitalism, communism, socialism, and any other *ism that
may
exist.
I didn't say anything about capitalism being inferior to the other economics model, I just raised example of other things done in the name of capitalism that are unacceptable, which you agree. In short, I was just saying what was being offered here is a vice if it goes against the spirit of the program. I didn't attend UoN, but assumes Mburu knew what he was talking about.
+2
I know this closely edges on the fringes of conspiracy theories but the person(s) who "designed" communism (later Marxism / Leninism) and capitalism are one and the same. Look up some guy called Albert Pike, for some reason the Wikipedia page on the gentleman does not open up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike
<tangent /> The preferable system of economics to adapt is a "Social (guided?) democracy" or just socialism. We had it in the early days after most countries got independence in African though it died out when the "ideological warfare" of the East Vs. the West started. There is an interesting article here which shows how it all is supposed to work as an economic model
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571136-politicians-both-right-and-le... Ya, I saw it a while ago and found it interesting coming from that magazine. I tend to feel like economist magazine preach hard capitalism. Muriithi
@ Gitau, sorry it has been taken On 6 May 2013 16:07, William Muriithi <william.muriithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
@William:
1. Poaching 2. Selling drugs 3. Bribery
Are all vices present in the nature of human beings, and will manifest themselves in capitalism, communism, socialism, and any other *ism
that may
exist.
I didn't say anything about capitalism being inferior to the other economics model, I just raised example of other things done in the name of capitalism that are unacceptable, which you agree.
In short, I was just saying what was being offered here is a vice if it goes against the spirit of the program. I didn't attend UoN, but assumes Mburu knew what he was talking about.
+2
I know this closely edges on the fringes of conspiracy theories but the person(s) who "designed" communism (later Marxism / Leninism) and capitalism are one and the same. Look up some guy called Albert Pike, for some reason the Wikipedia page on the gentleman does not open up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike
<tangent /> The preferable system of economics to adapt is a "Social (guided?) democracy" or just socialism. We had it in the early days after most countries got independence in African though it died out when the "ideological warfare" of the East Vs. the West started. There is an interesting article here which shows how it all is supposed to work as an economic model
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571136-politicians-both-right-and-le...
Ya, I saw it a while ago and found it interesting coming from that magazine. I tend to feel like economist magazine preach hard capitalism.
Muriithi
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as jammaz were busy arguing about the morality of the whole issue .. some entrepreneurial Kenyans were busy bargaining for the space .. " Hiti itaga iria ingi ya mutiri " On 7 May 2013 09:37, martin chege <mcnjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Gitau, sorry it has been taken
On 6 May 2013 16:07, William Muriithi <william.muriithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
@William:
1. Poaching 2. Selling drugs 3. Bribery
Are all vices present in the nature of human beings, and will manifest themselves in capitalism, communism, socialism, and any other *ism
that may
exist.
I didn't say anything about capitalism being inferior to the other economics model, I just raised example of other things done in the name of capitalism that are unacceptable, which you agree.
In short, I was just saying what was being offered here is a vice if it goes against the spirit of the program. I didn't attend UoN, but assumes Mburu knew what he was talking about.
+2
I know this closely edges on the fringes of conspiracy theories but the person(s) who "designed" communism (later Marxism / Leninism) and capitalism are one and the same. Look up some guy called Albert Pike, for some reason the Wikipedia page on the gentleman does not open up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike
<tangent /> The preferable system of economics to adapt is a "Social (guided?) democracy" or just socialism. We had it in the early days after most countries got independence in African though it died out when the "ideological warfare" of the East Vs. the West started. There is an interesting article here which shows how it all is supposed to work as an economic model
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571136-politicians-both-right-and-le...
Ya, I saw it a while ago and found it interesting coming from that magazine. I tend to feel like economist magazine preach hard capitalism.
Muriithi
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*2013/5/7 Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> *
*as jammaz were busy arguing about the morality of the whole issue .. some entrepreneurial Kenyans were busy bargaining for the space .. " Hiti itaga iria ingi ya mutiri "*
And we all lived happily thereafter... The entrepreneurial chap get's to sleep happy having made the most of a passing chance. The debaters get to sleep soundly having evaded another conscience stirring controversy. In the end, we all got to pick our poison [?][?]
Hi, On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
*2013/5/7 Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> *
*as jammaz were busy arguing about the morality of the whole issue .. some entrepreneurial Kenyans were busy bargaining for the space .. " Hiti itaga iria ingi ya mutiri "*
And we all lived happily thereafter...
The entrepreneurial chap get's to sleep happy having made the most of a passing chance. The debaters get to sleep soundly having evaded another conscience stirring controversy.
@Kibui and @Likhanga,
Nobody really had the intentions of deterring others from picking up the chance and make an "honest dollar" in a tuck shop. We were simply making an independent observation on how self-interests (*read:* greed) motivates different sets of actions when human are involved in economic activity. Also just because we let that "great opportunity" pass up does not mean we *are not* exposed to more lucrative ones out here, does it?
In the end, we all got to pick our poison [?][?]
It would actually help if you took the time to study the works by Adam Smith <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith> (Wealth of Nations) and reinforcements made to his thoughts by John Nash<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr.>. You might find things like the "Laws of equilibrium" emphasized in modern economic (micro and macro) theory mildly interesting.
Martin.
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