Whoever will be first lucky to get the first low latency network, pls share you download and upload benchmarks and latencies. Eg, Currently via vsat 1Mbyte file takes upto 5 minutes to download and vice versa. Many thanks in advance. :-)
Seacom light COUNT DOWN is a few hours away! History in the making today, July 23rd 2009. The networks world to have uhuru, away from satellite monopoly. The best tech achievement for kenya in 2009 is here :-) Anyone at Seacom in Mombasa, pls keep us updated.
You can follow @seacomlive <http://twitter.com/seacomlive> on twitter or the hashtag #seacom for live updates On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Seacom light COUNT DOWN is a few hours away! History in the making today, July 23rd 2009. The networks world to have uhuru, away from satellite monopoly. The best tech achievement for kenya in 2009 is here :-) Anyone at Seacom in Mombasa, pls keep us updated.
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Thnks. It would be nice to hear from someone on the ground too. Tests etc. :-) On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Mworia Wilfred Mutua <wmworia@gmail.com>wrote:
You can follow @seacomlive <http://twitter.com/seacomlive> on twitter or the hashtag #seacom for live updates
2009/7/23 aki <aki275@googlemail.com>
Thnks. It would be nice to hear from someone on the ground too. Tests etc. :-)
@LarryMadowo is on the ground. Here are the speeds he's getting http://twitter.com/LarryMadowo/status/2795642558 -- Brian
ping 358ms??? 2009/7/23 Brian Muita <bmuita+skunkworks@gmail.com<bmuita%2Bskunkworks@gmail.com>
2009/7/23 aki <aki275@googlemail.com>
Thnks. It would be nice to hear from someone on the ground too. Tests etc. :-)
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Isn't this the same reason why smokeping was written to avoid manual procedures like this? Kiania On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
ping 358ms???
2009/7/23 Brian Muita <bmuita+skunkworks@gmail.com<bmuita%2Bskunkworks@gmail.com>
2009/7/23 aki <aki275@googlemail.com>
Thnks. It would be nice to hear from someone on the ground too. Tests etc. :-)
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My last comment on Seacom post. This past week there have been of rumors such as Seacom is still 300 miles away or wait for at least a month blah blah. Seacom went live today. I hope it cleared the air for many ( mine included ). I've noticed that no other provider besides Orange and KDN have comeup with new packages. Strange that the market would be waiting for something else to happen. Will see and know in a month's time. In the meantime, congrats to Seacom, KDN and those who bring the bandwidth to the cities. And best of luck to Teams too. Aki, over and out! :-)
Does he have a traceroute ? 358ms is too much, not that better than satellite. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Muita" <bmuita+skunkworks@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:51:05 PM GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Benchmarking Seacom 2009/7/23 aki < aki275@googlemail.com > Thnks. It would be nice to hear from someone on the ground too. Tests etc. :-) @LarryMadowo is on the ground. Here are the speeds he's getting http://twitter.com/LarryMadowo/status/2795642558 -- Brian _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Should be either Jo'Burg or Mumbai-London. The Djibouti route is not yet complete. Typically on a trans-ocean cable this long it's about 100-150ms. ----- Original Message ----- From: "aki" <aki275@googlemail.com> To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:21:49 PM GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Benchmarking Seacom damn, anyone know if its via djibouti or via me, asia? On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com > wrote: Does he have a traceroute ? 358ms is too much, not that better than satellite. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Riyaz, got a call from someone. Seacom gone Live. tests to yahoo are average 240ms. unconfirmed. I wish we all were down there, the MUXs would have been heating up by now! :-)
That could be ok depending on where he was pinging to and how the peering is(stand to be corrected) On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
Does he have a traceroute ? 358ms is too much, not that better than satellite.
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Thnks. It would be nice to hear from someone on the ground too. Tests etc. :-)
@LarryMadowo is on the ground. Here are the speeds he's getting http://twitter.com/LarryMadowo/status/2795642558
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What exactly were we expecting from Seacom and the submarine fiber? I am amazed at how soon we expected this to happen, I get the feeling we are like a blind dog in a meat house. We can smell fiber all around but cant sink our teeth into it ;-) Kiania
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
Does he have a traceroute ? 358ms is too much, not that better than satellite.
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2009/7/23 aki < aki275@googlemail.com >
Thnks. It would be nice to hear from someone on the ground too. Tests etc. :-)
@LarryMadowo is on the ground. Here are the speeds he's getting http://twitter.com/LarryMadowo/status/2795642558
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Is it just me or is the net actually SLOWER tonight in Nairobi? Ama it's all psychological? :-) I should have done some speed tests yesterday bana! Kiania unleash the grill, lets eat what you can smell! On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:41 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly were we expecting from Seacom and the submarine fiber? I am amazed at how soon we expected this to happen, I get the feeling we are like a blind dog in a meat house. We can smell fiber all around but cant sink our teeth into it ;-)
Kiania
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Riyaz Bachani < riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
Does he have a traceroute ? 358ms is too much, not that better than satellite.
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2009/7/23 aki < aki275@googlemail.com >
Thnks. It would be nice to hear from someone on the ground too. Tests etc. :-)
@LarryMadowo is on the ground. Here are the speeds he's getting http://twitter.com/LarryMadowo/status/2795642558
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David, if we want to downplay this event, at least let's do it correctly. Anyway, I'm not going to disagree with anyone on anything. Its an old event now, gone. :-) On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:41 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly were we expecting from Seacom and the submarine fiber? I am amazed at how soon we expected this to happen, I get the feeling we are like a blind dog in a meat house. We can smell fiber all around but cant sink our teeth into it ;-)
Kiania
Aki, We seem extremely high strung to see to it that speeds improve and the fiber 'goodness' trickle down in a matter of hours, I believe it takes a bit longer than that. Kiania On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:37 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
David, if we want to downplay this event, at least let's do it correctly. Anyway, I'm not going to disagree with anyone on anything. Its an old event now, gone. :-) On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:41 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly were we expecting from Seacom and the submarine fiber? I am amazed at how soon we expected this to happen, I get the feeling we are like a blind dog in a meat house. We can smell fiber all around but cant sink our teeth into it ;-)
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:13 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd<kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
We seem extremely high strung to see to it that speeds improve and the fiber 'goodness' trickle down in a matter of hours, I believe it takes a bit longer than that.
Also, on reading widespread online excitement over connections I am advising all my client to wait kidogo before entering into super fast speeds sales contracts. Wait until fibre dusts settle first. After all we have been on satellite for how long? Thus advising prospective all to first consider:- 1. All Good deals come to those that wait a little.... 2. Kiswahili adage 'kizuri chajiuza, kibaya chajitembeza' 3. Plan your hardware upgrades 4. Implement security precautions (a) hackers (b) viruses 5. Review your (anti-) porn strategy? 6. etc..
@ Hi David and all, I appreciate all the comments and with all due kind respect to everyone, I'm sorry to tell you that I see things much more differently. The issue of speeds, latencies, jitter, bandwidth etc is irrelevant, that comes with the fiber naturally. What I see is a terrible failure on our part. What I'm surprised though is that we accept this failure as a norm and for people who are understand networks etc to see other professionals accept the norm is terribly disturbing. However, what we should be asking ourselves is this " What did we NOT expect? ". For whatever reasons that entire community of telcos, network operators , service providers choose not to go simulatenous with the launch is upto them. For me, the writing is on the wall, clear. " DAY 2 of international fiber launch and 99% of kenya is still in the dark ages of the satellite era! " An excellent start and with plenty of excuses to back it up. Anway, Im on a timeout so will leave it there................................... Best Rgds, Aki.
aki, you must have stayed up the whole night watching the counters. In Kenya, very few firms will bother to deliver on time or be cutting edge. its generally a Kenyan. I send this using basic gmail , standard gmail will not load on our AK connection at the moment. On 24/07/2009, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Hi David and all, I appreciate all the comments and with all due kind respect to everyone, I'm sorry to tell you that I see things much more differently. The issue of speeds, latencies, jitter, bandwidth etc is irrelevant, that comes with the fiber naturally. What I see is a terrible failure on our part. What I'm surprised though is that we accept this failure as a norm and for people who are understand networks etc to see other professionals accept the norm is terribly disturbing. However, what we should be asking ourselves is this " What did we NOT expect? ". For whatever reasons that entire community of telcos, network operators , service providers choose not to go simulatenous with the launch is upto them.
For me, the writing is on the wall, clear.
" DAY 2 of international fiber launch and 99% of kenya is still in the dark ages of the satellite era! " An excellent start and with plenty of excuses to back it up.
Anway, Im on a timeout so will leave it there...................................
Best Rgds,
Aki.
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Aki, I'm told you should try Safaricom for your fiber cravings :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "aki" <aki275@googlemail.com> To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 7:35:20 AM GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Benchmarking Seacom @ Hi David and all, I appreciate all the comments and with all due kind respect to everyone, I'm sorry to tell you that I see things much more differently. The issue of speeds, latencies, jitter, bandwidth etc is irrelevant, that comes with the fiber naturally. What I see is a terrible failure on our part. What I'm surprised though is that we accept this failure as a norm and for people who are understand networks etc to see other professionals accept the norm is terribly disturbing. However, what we should be asking ourselves is this " What did we NOT expect? ". For whatever reasons that entire community of telcos, network operators , service providers choose not to go simulatenous with the launch is upto them. For me, the writing is on the wall, clear. " DAY 2 of international fiber launch and 99% of kenya is still in the dark ages of the satellite era! " An excellent start and with plenty of excuses to back it up. Anway, Im on a timeout so will leave it there................................... Best Rgds, Aki. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
I think people were expecting that cable to even bring yoghurt. There's always a 'next big thing that will revolutionize communications', - cheap dialup, leased lines, VSAT, 3G and now seacom. The fine print and implementation details always get lost in the hype. The proof of the pie is always in the eating. Personally nitaamini nikiona On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Riyaz Bachani<riyaz.bachani@ke.wananchi.com> wrote:
Aki,
I'm told you should try Safaricom for your fiber cravings :)
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@ Hi David and all, I appreciate all the comments and with all due kind respect to everyone, I'm sorry to tell you that I see things much more differently. The issue of speeds, latencies, jitter, bandwidth etc is irrelevant, that comes with the fiber naturally. What I see is a terrible failure on our part. What I'm surprised though is that we accept this failure as a norm and for people who are understand networks etc to see other professionals accept the norm is terribly disturbing. However, what we should be asking ourselves is this " What did we NOT expect? ". For whatever reasons that entire community of telcos, network operators , service providers choose not to go simulatenous with the launch is upto them.
For me, the writing is on the wall, clear.
" DAY 2 of international fiber launch and 99% of kenya is still in the dark ages of the satellite era! " An excellent start and with plenty of excuses to back it up.
Anway, Im on a timeout so will leave it there...................................
Best Rgds,
Aki.
woo, Rad! at least sometimes we should try and not downplay things of great importance. To help you kidogo, kenya got the most modern airport and facilites yesterday yet no planes showed to pick or drop passengers, and neither have the planes showed up today and tomorrow. But the passengers are waiting in at the check-in counters. HTHs. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I think people were expecting that cable to even bring yoghurt.
Aki, considerable experience in the industry has made me a realist. I'm inclined to lend more credit to things I experience rather than press releases and photos of smiling big-shots with hard hats On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:01 AM, aki<aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
woo, Rad! at least sometimes we should try and not downplay things of great importance. To help you kidogo, kenya got the most modern airport and facilites yesterday yet no planes showed to pick or drop passengers, and neither have the planes showed up today and tomorrow. But the passengers are waiting in at the check-in counters. HTHs.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I think people were expecting that cable to even bring yoghurt.
You guyz talk of high speed because the fibre has arrived, I've been having my high speeds on satellite for ages and nothing much changes - I just download more movies. As much as it is something to write home about - you should never expect change in an instance. Until this high speed reaches the majority, then it will spur change - personally, I give fibre between 6months to 1 year before I start noticing any change in the way we work & do business. ./Ok3ch On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, considerable experience in the industry has made me a realist. I'm inclined to lend more credit to things I experience rather than press releases and photos of smiling big-shots with hard hats
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:01 AM, aki<aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
woo, Rad! at least sometimes we should try and not downplay things of great importance. To help you kidogo, kenya got the most modern airport and facilites yesterday yet no planes showed to pick or drop passengers, and neither have the planes showed up today and tomorrow. But the passengers are waiting in at the check-in counters. HTHs.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I think people were expecting that cable to even bring yoghurt.
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I agree with okechukwu, speeds were there.But one thing that wasn't there was low latencies.People like me who have to do everyday tasks on unix servers hosted abroad will be easier to manage, it will be like managing a server hosted in kenya. And i predict software development will grow coz of no restrictions that vsat was giving us, that will enable moving huge shitloads of source code from one continent to the other.Anyway, let us sit back and see how it turns out On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
You guyz talk of high speed because the fibre has arrived, I've been having my high speeds on satellite for ages and nothing much changes - I just download more movies. As much as it is something to write home about - you should never expect change in an instance. Until this high speed reaches the majority, then it will spur change - personally, I give fibre between 6months to 1 year before I start noticing any change in the way we work & do business.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, considerable experience in the industry has made me a realist. I'm inclined to lend more credit to things I experience rather than press releases and photos of smiling big-shots with hard hats
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:01 AM, aki<aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
woo, Rad! at least sometimes we should try and not downplay things of great importance. To help you kidogo, kenya got the most modern airport and facilites yesterday yet no planes showed to pick or drop passengers, and neither have the planes showed up today and tomorrow. But the passengers are waiting in at the check-in counters. HTHs.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I think people were expecting that cable to even bring yoghurt.
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Aki, You seem to forget that everything we are seeing are at layer 8 and above. I probably think the best list for that is the Kictanet list (no offence) :) On this list, wait until the process is handed over to the layers that make stuff happens, then we can put the folks on this list to task as to why things are not happening. Cheers, Mich aki wrote:
woo, Rad! at least sometimes we should try and not downplay things of great importance. To help you kidogo, kenya got the most modern airport and facilites yesterday yet no planes showed to pick or drop passengers, and neither have the planes showed up today and tomorrow. But the passengers are waiting in at the check-in counters. HTHs.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I think people were expecting that cable to even bring yoghurt.
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phew at last i second that On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Michuki Mwangi<michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
Aki,
You seem to forget that everything we are seeing are at layer 8 and above. I probably think the best list for that is the Kictanet list (no offence) :)
On this list, wait until the process is handed over to the layers that make stuff happens, then we can put the folks on this list to task as to why things are not happening.
Cheers,
Mich
aki wrote:
woo, Rad! at least sometimes we should try and not downplay things of great importance. To help you kidogo, kenya got the most modern airport and facilites yesterday yet no planes showed to pick or drop passengers, and neither have the planes showed up today and tomorrow. But the passengers are waiting in at the check-in counters. HTHs.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I think people were expecting that cable to even bring yoghurt.
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Point taken, no offence at all. Hey dont blame me, some of us missed the first uhuru in 63, now we had another chance to see it once again, especially related to our industry. Thanks for everyone's patience. Cheers. :-) On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Richard Bosire <richard.bosire@gmail.com>wrote:
phew at last
i second that
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Michuki Mwangi<michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
Aki,
You seem to forget that everything we are seeing are at layer 8 and above. I probably think the best list for that is the Kictanet list (no offence) :)
On this list, wait until the process is handed over to the layers that make stuff happens, then we can put the folks on this list to task as to why things are not happening.
Cheers,
Mich
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 7:35 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Hi David and all, I appreciate all the comments and with all due kind respect to everyone, I'm sorry to tell you that I see things much more differently. The issue of speeds, latencies, jitter, bandwidth etc is irrelevant, that comes with the fiber naturally. What I see is a terrible failure on our part. What I'm surprised though is that we accept this failure as a norm and for people who are understand networks etc to see other professionals accept the norm is terribly disturbing. However, what we should be asking ourselves is this " What did we NOT expect? ". For whatever reasons that entire community of telcos, network operators , service providers choose not to go simulatenous with the launch is upto them.
For me, the writing is on the wall, clear.
" DAY 2 of international fiber launch and 99% of kenya is still in the dark ages of the satellite era! " An excellent start and with plenty of excuses to back it up.
Anway, Im on a timeout so will leave it there...................................
Aki, I totally support you. If it were not for the high speeds (4get the costs for now) then what was the hype all about? Why the hell were people tweeting so much about it? Every user out there wants to know when the latencies will go down and I can tell for sure, because yesterday I was tasked to ask KDN when they are switching from Satellite to Fiber, given that the cable is terminated at their premises. Why is it that everyone who was hyped about the Fiber all of a sudden wants to play down the lighting of the Seacom, or perhaps Seacom was just another "landing" (aka TEAMS), not the actual switching "ON"? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
Hi Aki, et al, The only thing i can say is that far few folks are likely to experience the so called speeds on the immediate. As you all know most folks are subscribed to speeds less than <=256kbps. Those folks on higher are mainly at the corporate level. Mobile users on 3G/4G are going to have the speeds connected but only as far as the base stations. The backhauling of the traffic from the basestations to the core is worth checking into - am not sure how many of the operators have multi-gig links capacity to cope. If they are still on TDM type of infrastructure then its no good since the backhaul will become the immediate bottleneck to this. This is the time i wish i worked for an ISP to experience the juice at the core :) Regards, Mich aki wrote:
David, if we want to downplay this event, at least let's do it correctly. Anyway, I'm not going to disagree with anyone on anything. Its an old event now, gone. :-) On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:41 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
What exactly were we expecting from Seacom and the submarine fiber? I am amazed at how soon we expected this to happen, I get the feeling we are like a blind dog in a meat house. We can smell fiber all around but cant sink our teeth into it ;-)
Kiania
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Thnks Brian, just checked it out. It seems test done on a small 30Mbps circuit. Will keep following. :-) On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Brian Muita <bmuita+skunkworks@gmail.com<bmuita%2Bskunkworks@gmail.com>
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2009/7/23 aki <aki275@googlemail.com>
Thnks. It would be nice to hear from someone on the ground too. Tests etc. :-)
@LarryMadowo is on the ground. Here are the speeds he's getting http://twitter.com/LarryMadowo/status/2795642558
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participants (16)
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aki -
Brian Muita -
Daudi Were -
David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd -
Dennis Kioko -
Gakuru Alex -
Jamal Mohamed -
Michuki Mwangi -
Mworia Wilfred Mutua -
Net Net -
Njoroge Tito -
Odhiambo ワシントン -
Okechukwu -
Rad! -
Richard Bosire -
Riyaz Bachani