hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems kenyans are bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as they say "nyani haoni kundule" follow line if you are curious. http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are Kenyans on Twitter (#KOT). What't your take? Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi :)
That one was sorted, earlier in the day, they apologized via their @KoreanAir_Ke twitter handle severally. On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:59 PM, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com>wrote:
hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems kenyans are bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as they say "nyani haoni kundule"
follow line if you are curious.
in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are Kenyans on Twitter (#KOT). What't your take?
------------------------------ Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi
:)
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That one was sorted, earlier in the day, they apologized via their @KoreanAir_Ke twitter handle severally.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:59 PM, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com>wrote:
hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems kenyans are bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as they say "nyani haoni kundule"
follow line if you are curious.
in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are Kenyans on Twitter (#KOT). What't your take?
------------------------------ Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi
:)
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Aaaw! and here i was thinking, i was breaking the news. oh well indulge me a bit :) afterall... i only just discovered i run on primitive energy! @kazikubwa i agree with you, forgiveness or not, there will be no forgetting. there is even a new drink called primitive energy ;) check it out on twitter. @techies here, sorry for posting this, i just needed an outlet! From: kazikubwa@gmail.com Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:17:35 +0300 To: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Primitive energy Sorted? Once you create a new INTERNET MEME, there is no going back! _______________________________________________ Without requirements or design, programming is the art of adding bugs to an empty text file._______________________________________________ 2012/6/18 Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com> That one was sorted, earlier in the day, they apologized via their @KoreanAir_Ke twitter handle severally. On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:59 PM, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote: hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems kenyans are bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as they say "nyani haoni kundule" follow line if you are curious. http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are Kenyans on Twitter (#KOT). What't your take? Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi :) _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- Regards,Martin Gicheru|Business Development|Techweez Solutions Email ID: martin@techweez.com | Tel:254721906171 | Website:http://www.techweez.com | Skype ID: martingicheru | Twitter ID:martingicheru | Gtalk: martin@techweez.com _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe. Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, but why so? Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with societal conditioning to regard the same as such? Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an unthinkable notion. Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays. Lets work under the premises that 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's most intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics". 2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is still intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term "Primitive Energy". Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE. So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually Energy... NOT Kenyans! :) Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or preserving an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of someTHING!" Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with regard to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is thus grammaticaly wrong! Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"! But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here is the word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines didnt refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :) But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well as others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you kidding me?! If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a pre-literate era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but not able to understand or contextualize a language, both are sailors of the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate". The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle in full. Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an interpreter) that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax. Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of #KOT on Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it was "exceptional" LQTM. LESSONS LEARNT? 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive and #KOT proved that.
From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" that never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and prowress" of the English Language. But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A friggin occupational requirement maybe?!
But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" in which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with Punctuation". I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case for the statement's validity. 2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and all! Please say it aint so! 3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so. And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those less fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a supposed level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and may very well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013? DISCLAIMER I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far from it. I consider myself a life time student of English. And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie forum to begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly still continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in a program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just because of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris! On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote:
hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems kenyans are bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as they say "nyani haoni kundule" follow line if you are curious. http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg
in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are Kenyans on Twitter (#KOT). What't your take?
Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi
:)
-- Kind Regards, *Njung'e N. Lloyd Cell: +254 723 739 733*
Lloyd, in the second lesson you said Korean's instead of Koreans. :-) so all this explanation refuses to run, just as you have explained in your conclusion. On Jun 19, 2012 1:55 AM, "Lloyd Njunge" <njungelloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe.
Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, but why so?
Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with societal conditioning to regard the same as such?
Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an unthinkable notion.
Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays.
Lets work under the premises that 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's most intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics".
2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is still intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term "Primitive Energy".
Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE.
So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually Energy... NOT Kenyans! :)
Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or preserving an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of someTHING!"
Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with regard to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is thus grammaticaly wrong!
Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"!
But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here is the word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines didnt refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :)
But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well as others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you kidding me?!
If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a pre-literate era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but not able to understand or contextualize a language, both are sailors of the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate".
The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle in full. Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an interpreter) that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax.
Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of #KOT on Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it was "exceptional" LQTM.
LESSONS LEARNT? 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive and #KOT proved that. From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" that never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and prowress" of the English Language. But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A friggin occupational requirement maybe?!
But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" in which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with Punctuation". I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case for the statement's validity.
2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and all! Please say it aint so!
3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so.
And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those less fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a supposed level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and may very well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013?
DISCLAIMER I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far from it. I consider myself a life time student of English.
And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie forum to begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly still continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in a program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just because of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris!
On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote:
hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems kenyans
are
bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as they say "nyani haoni kundule" follow line if you are curious. http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg
in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are Kenyans on Twitter (#KOT). What't your take?
Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi
:)
-- Kind Regards,
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@Lloyd 'primitive Energy' could be 'pure energy' which is complimentary. *_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, * On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com> wrote:
Lloyd, in the second lesson you said Korean's instead of Koreans. :-) so all this explanation refuses to run, just as you have explained in your conclusion. On Jun 19, 2012 1:55 AM, "Lloyd Njunge" <njungelloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe.
Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, but why so?
Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with societal conditioning to regard the same as such?
Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an unthinkable notion.
Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays.
Lets work under the premises that 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's most intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics".
2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is still intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term "Primitive Energy".
Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE.
So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually Energy... NOT Kenyans! :)
Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or preserving an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of someTHING!"
Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with regard to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is thus grammaticaly wrong!
Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"!
But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here is the word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines didnt refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :)
But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well as others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you kidding me?!
If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a pre-literate era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but not able to understand or contextualize a language, both are sailors of the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate".
The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle in full. Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an interpreter) that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax.
Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of #KOT on Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it was "exceptional" LQTM.
LESSONS LEARNT? 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive and #KOT proved that. From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" that never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and prowress" of the English Language. But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A friggin occupational requirement maybe?!
But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" in which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with Punctuation". I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case for the statement's validity.
2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and all! Please say it aint so!
3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so.
And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those less fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a supposed level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and may very well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013?
DISCLAIMER I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far from it. I consider myself a life time student of English.
And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie forum to begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly still continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in a program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just because of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris!
On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote:
hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems kenyans
are
bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as they say "nyani haoni kundule" follow line if you are curious. http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg
in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are Kenyans on Twitter (#KOT). What't your take?
Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi
:)
-- Kind Regards,
*Njung'e N. Lloyd Cell: +254 723 739 733* _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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Another explanation is that these gooks realy didnt mean to offend. They may be victim of poor translation into broken Korean "Igrish" just like the popular "All your base are belong to us<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us>" maneno! _______________________________________________ *The value of a prototype is in the education it gives you, * *not in the code it's made of. ** * _______________________________________________ * * 2012/6/19 joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com>
@Lloyd 'primitive Energy' could be 'pure energy' which is complimentary.
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com>wrote:
Lloyd, in the second lesson you said Korean's instead of Koreans. :-) so all this explanation refuses to run, just as you have explained in your conclusion. On Jun 19, 2012 1:55 AM, "Lloyd Njunge" <njungelloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe.
Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, but why so?
Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with societal conditioning to regard the same as such?
Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an unthinkable notion.
Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays.
Lets work under the premises that 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's most intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics".
2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is still intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term "Primitive Energy".
Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE.
So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually Energy... NOT Kenyans! :)
Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or preserving an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of someTHING!"
Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with regard to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is thus grammaticaly wrong!
Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"!
But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here is the word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines didnt refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :)
But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well as others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you kidding me?!
If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a pre-literate era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but not able to understand or contextualize a language, both are sailors of the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate".
The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle in full. Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an interpreter) that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax.
Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of #KOT on Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it was "exceptional" LQTM.
LESSONS LEARNT? 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive and #KOT proved that. From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" that never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and prowress" of the English Language. But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A friggin occupational requirement maybe?!
But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" in which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with Punctuation". I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case for the statement's validity.
2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and all! Please say it aint so!
3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so.
And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those less fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a supposed level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and may very well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013?
DISCLAIMER I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far from it. I consider myself a life time student of English.
And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie forum to begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly still continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in a program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just because of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris!
On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote:
hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems kenyans
are
bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as they say "nyani haoni kundule" follow line if you are curious. http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg
in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are Kenyans on Twitter (#KOT). What't your take?
Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi
:)
-- Kind Regards,
*Njung'e N. Lloyd Cell: +254 723 739 733* _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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Pole for cross-posting... If you thought the Koreans were 'bloody bure' for calling you and I primitive, you will be shocked to learn The U.K's (dis)Honourable Health Minister thinks we all have some weird diseases! Here's the link,read it to the last paragraph... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308. I think some of these things are more than mere slips of the tongue. The mouth speaks what is in the heart and this just shows some people have very little regards for people who live in Africa! On 19 June 2012 09:39, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Another explanation is that these gooks realy didnt mean to offend. They may be victim of poor translation into broken Korean "Igrish" just like the popular "All your base are belong to us<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us>" maneno!
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@Lloyd 'primitive Energy' could be 'pure energy' which is complimentary.
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com>wrote:
Lloyd, in the second lesson you said Korean's instead of Koreans. :-) so all this explanation refuses to run, just as you have explained in your conclusion. On Jun 19, 2012 1:55 AM, "Lloyd Njunge" <njungelloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe.
Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, but why so?
Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with societal conditioning to regard the same as such?
Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an unthinkable notion.
Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays.
Lets work under the premises that 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's most intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics".
2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is still intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term "Primitive Energy".
Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE.
So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually Energy... NOT Kenyans! :)
Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or preserving an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of someTHING!"
Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with regard to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is thus grammaticaly wrong!
Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"!
But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here is the word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines didnt refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :)
But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well as others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you kidding me?!
If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a pre-literate era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but not able to understand or contextualize a language, both are sailors of the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate".
The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle in full. Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an interpreter) that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax.
Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of #KOT on Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it was "exceptional" LQTM.
LESSONS LEARNT? 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive and #KOT proved that. From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" that never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and prowress" of the English Language. But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A friggin occupational requirement maybe?!
But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" in which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with Punctuation". I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case for the statement's validity.
2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and all! Please say it aint so!
3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so.
And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those less fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a supposed level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and may very well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013?
DISCLAIMER I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far from it. I consider myself a life time student of English.
And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie forum to begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly still continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in a program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just because of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris!
On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote:
hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems
kenyans are
bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as they say "nyani haoni kundule" follow line if you are curious. http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg
in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are Kenyans on Twitter (#KOT). What't your take?
Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi
:)
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Was Miri Regev referal to Sudannese immigrants as a "cancer in the body" a slip of the tongue too? Or perhaps there's some truth in all these 'slips' ? I for one can provide several examples of "primitive energy of indigenous Kenyan people".. ./bernard On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Pole for cross-posting...
If you thought the Koreans were 'bloody bure' for calling you and I primitive, you will be shocked to learn The U.K's (dis)Honourable Health Minister thinks we all have some weird diseases! Here's the link,read it to the last paragraph... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308 . I think some of these things are more than mere slips of the tongue. The mouth speaks what is in the heart and this just shows some people have very little regards for people who live in Africa!
On 19 June 2012 09:39, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Another explanation is that these gooks realy didnt mean to offend. They may be victim of poor translation into broken Korean "Igrish" just like the popular "All your base are belong to us<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us>" maneno!
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2012/6/19 joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com>
@Lloyd 'primitive Energy' could be 'pure energy' which is complimentary.
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com>wrote:
Lloyd, in the second lesson you said Korean's instead of Koreans. :-) so all this explanation refuses to run, just as you have explained in your conclusion. On Jun 19, 2012 1:55 AM, "Lloyd Njunge" <njungelloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe.
Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, but why so?
Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with societal conditioning to regard the same as such?
Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an unthinkable notion.
Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays.
Lets work under the premises that 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's most intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics".
2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is still intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term "Primitive Energy".
Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE.
So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually Energy... NOT Kenyans! :)
Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or preserving an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of someTHING!"
Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with regard to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is thus grammaticaly wrong!
Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"!
But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here is the word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines didnt refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :)
But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well as others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you kidding me?!
If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a pre-literate era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but not able to understand or contextualize a language, both are sailors of the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate".
The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle in full. Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an interpreter) that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax.
Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of #KOT on Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it was "exceptional" LQTM.
LESSONS LEARNT? 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive and #KOT proved that. From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" that never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and prowress" of the English Language. But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A friggin occupational requirement maybe?!
But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" in which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with Punctuation". I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case for the statement's validity.
2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and all! Please say it aint so!
3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so.
And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those less fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a supposed level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and may very well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013?
DISCLAIMER I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far from it. I consider myself a life time student of English.
And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie forum to begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly still continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in a program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just because of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris!
On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote:
hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems
kenyans are
bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as they say "nyani haoni kundule" follow line if you are curious. http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg
in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are Kenyans on Twitter (#KOT). What't your take?
Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi
:)
-- Kind Regards,
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List them! I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean/Briton/Israeli call me indigenous/disease-laden/'cancer in the body'! You say we've brought it upon ourselves, no? On 19 June 2012 14:39, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Was Miri Regev referal to Sudannese immigrants as a "cancer in the body" a slip of the tongue too?
Or perhaps there's some truth in all these 'slips' ? I for one can provide several examples of "primitive energy of indigenous Kenyan people"..
./bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Pole for cross-posting...
If you thought the Koreans were 'bloody bure' for calling you and I primitive, you will be shocked to learn The U.K's (dis)Honourable Health Minister thinks we all have some weird diseases! Here's the link,read it to the last paragraph... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308 . I think some of these things are more than mere slips of the tongue. The mouth speaks what is in the heart and this just shows some people have very little regards for people who live in Africa!
On 19 June 2012 09:39, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Another explanation is that these gooks realy didnt mean to offend. They may be victim of poor translation into broken Korean "Igrish" just like the popular "All your base are belong to us<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us>" maneno!
_______________________________________________
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*
2012/6/19 joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com>
@Lloyd 'primitive Energy' could be 'pure energy' which is complimentary.
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com>wrote:
Lloyd, in the second lesson you said Korean's instead of Koreans. :-) so all this explanation refuses to run, just as you have explained in your conclusion. On Jun 19, 2012 1:55 AM, "Lloyd Njunge" <njungelloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe.
Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, but why so?
Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with societal conditioning to regard the same as such?
Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an unthinkable notion.
Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays.
Lets work under the premises that 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's most intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics".
2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is still intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term "Primitive Energy".
Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE.
So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually Energy... NOT Kenyans! :)
Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or preserving an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of someTHING!"
Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with regard to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is thus grammaticaly wrong!
Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"!
But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here is the word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines didnt refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :)
But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well as others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you kidding me?!
If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a pre-literate era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but not able to understand or contextualize a language, both are sailors of the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate".
The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle in full. Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an interpreter) that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax.
Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of #KOT on Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it was "exceptional" LQTM.
LESSONS LEARNT? 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive and #KOT proved that. From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" that never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and prowress" of the English Language. But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A friggin occupational requirement maybe?!
But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" in which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with Punctuation". I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case for the statement's validity.
2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and all! Please say it aint so!
3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so.
And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those less fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a supposed level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and may very well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013?
DISCLAIMER I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far from it. I consider myself a life time student of English.
And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie forum to begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly still continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in a program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just because of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris!
On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote: > > hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems kenyans are > bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as they say > "nyani haoni kundule" > follow line if you are curious. > http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg > > in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are Kenyans on > Twitter (#KOT). What't your take? > > Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi > > :) >
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So its Ok for an African-American using the N word but no one else? Does it change the fact, if at all? ./bernard On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
List them! I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean/Briton/Israeli call me indigenous/disease-laden/'cancer in the body'! You say we've brought it upon ourselves, no?
On 19 June 2012 14:39, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Was Miri Regev referal to Sudannese immigrants as a "cancer in the body" a slip of the tongue too?
Or perhaps there's some truth in all these 'slips' ? I for one can provide several examples of "primitive energy of indigenous Kenyan people"..
./bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Pole for cross-posting...
If you thought the Koreans were 'bloody bure' for calling you and I primitive, you will be shocked to learn The U.K's (dis)Honourable Health Minister thinks we all have some weird diseases! Here's the link,read it to the last paragraph... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308 . I think some of these things are more than mere slips of the tongue. The mouth speaks what is in the heart and this just shows some people have very little regards for people who live in Africa!
On 19 June 2012 09:39, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Another explanation is that these gooks realy didnt mean to offend. They may be victim of poor translation into broken Korean "Igrish" just like the popular "All your base are belong to us<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us>" maneno!
_______________________________________________
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*
2012/6/19 joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com>
@Lloyd 'primitive Energy' could be 'pure energy' which is complimentary.
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com>wrote:
Lloyd, in the second lesson you said Korean's instead of Koreans. :-) so all this explanation refuses to run, just as you have explained in your conclusion. On Jun 19, 2012 1:55 AM, "Lloyd Njunge" <njungelloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
> In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a > "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe. > > Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term > "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, but why > so? > > Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word > "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with societal > conditioning to regard the same as such? > > Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND > understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an > unthinkable > notion. > > Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal > Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays. > > Lets work under the premises that > 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's most > intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics". > > 2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is still > intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term > "Primitive Energy". > > Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word > "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". > And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a > delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE. > > So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually > Energy... > NOT Kenyans! :) > > Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? > For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word > "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or > preserving > an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of > someTHING!" > > Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with regard > to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is thus > grammaticaly wrong! > > Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER > constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"! > > But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here is > the > word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines > didnt > refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :) > > But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! > A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well as > others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you > kidding me?! > > If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word > "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a pre-literate > era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but not > able to understand or contextualize a language, both are sailors of > the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate". > > The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle in > full. > Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an interpreter) > that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax. > > Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of #KOT > on > Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it was > "exceptional" LQTM. > > LESSONS LEARNT? > 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive and > #KOT proved that. > From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" that > never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and prowress" of > the English Language. > But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! > One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A friggin > occupational requirement maybe?! > > But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" in > which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with Punctuation". > I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case for > the > statement's validity. > > 2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... > colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and all! > Please say it aint so! > > 3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a > filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the > worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so. > > And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those less > fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a supposed > level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? > Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to > rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and may > very > well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013? > > DISCLAIMER > I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far from > it. I consider myself a life time student of English. > > And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie forum > to > begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly still > continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single > misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in a > program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just > because > of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris! > > On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems > kenyans are > > bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as > they say > > "nyani haoni kundule" > > follow line if you are curious. > > http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg > > > > in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are > Kenyans on > > Twitter (#KOT). 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And where did I say that? Try calling me that in person and you will get a clear understanding of how I feel about it! :) On 19 June 2012 14:51, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
So its Ok for an African-American using the N word but no one else? Does it change the fact, if at all?
./bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
List them! I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean/Briton/Israeli call me indigenous/disease-laden/'cancer in the body'! You say we've brought it upon ourselves, no?
On 19 June 2012 14:39, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Was Miri Regev referal to Sudannese immigrants as a "cancer in the body" a slip of the tongue too?
Or perhaps there's some truth in all these 'slips' ? I for one can provide several examples of "primitive energy of indigenous Kenyan people"..
./bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Pole for cross-posting...
If you thought the Koreans were 'bloody bure' for calling you and I primitive, you will be shocked to learn The U.K's (dis)Honourable Health Minister thinks we all have some weird diseases! Here's the link,read it to the last paragraph... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308 . I think some of these things are more than mere slips of the tongue. The mouth speaks what is in the heart and this just shows some people have very little regards for people who live in Africa!
On 19 June 2012 09:39, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Another explanation is that these gooks realy didnt mean to offend. They may be victim of poor translation into broken Korean "Igrish" just like the popular "All your base are belong to us<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us>" maneno!
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@Lloyd 'primitive Energy' could be 'pure energy' which is complimentary.
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com>wrote:
> Lloyd, in the second lesson you said Korean's instead of Koreans. > :-) so all this explanation refuses to run, just as you have > explained in your conclusion. > On Jun 19, 2012 1:55 AM, "Lloyd Njunge" <njungelloyd@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a >> "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe. >> >> Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term >> "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, but >> why >> so? >> >> Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word >> "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with societal >> conditioning to regard the same as such? >> >> Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND >> understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an >> unthinkable >> notion. >> >> Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal >> Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays. >> >> Lets work under the premises that >> 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's most >> intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics". >> >> 2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is >> still >> intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term >> "Primitive Energy". >> >> Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word >> "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". >> And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a >> delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE. >> >> So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually >> Energy... >> NOT Kenyans! :) >> >> Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? >> For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word >> "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or >> preserving >> an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of >> someTHING!" >> >> Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with >> regard >> to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is thus >> grammaticaly wrong! >> >> Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER >> constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"! >> >> But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here is >> the >> word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines >> didnt >> refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :) >> >> But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! >> A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well as >> others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you >> kidding me?! >> >> If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word >> "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a pre-literate >> era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but not >> able to understand or contextualize a language, both are sailors of >> the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate". >> >> The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle in >> full. >> Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an interpreter) >> that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax. >> >> Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of #KOT >> on >> Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it was >> "exceptional" LQTM. >> >> LESSONS LEARNT? >> 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive and >> #KOT proved that. >> From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" that >> never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and prowress" >> of >> the English Language. >> But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! >> One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A >> friggin >> occupational requirement maybe?! >> >> But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" in >> which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with >> Punctuation". >> I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case for >> the >> statement's validity. >> >> 2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... >> colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and all! >> Please say it aint so! >> >> 3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a >> filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the >> worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so. >> >> And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those less >> fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a supposed >> level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? >> Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to >> rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and may >> very >> well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013? >> >> DISCLAIMER >> I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far >> from >> it. I consider myself a life time student of English. >> >> And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie forum >> to >> begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly still >> continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single >> misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in a >> program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just >> because >> of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris! >> >> On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems >> kenyans are >> > bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as >> they say >> > "nyani haoni kundule" >> > follow line if you are curious. >> > http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg >> > >> > in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are >> Kenyans on >> > Twitter (#KOT). What't your take? >> > >> > Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi >> > >> > :) >> > >> >> >> -- >> Kind Regards, >> >> *Njung'e N. Lloyd >> Cell: +254 723 739 733* >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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"I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean" In other words, you'd rather I call you primitive than a Korean, no? ,/bernard On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
And where did I say that? Try calling me that in person and you will get a clear understanding of how I feel about it! :)
On 19 June 2012 14:51, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
So its Ok for an African-American using the N word but no one else? Does it change the fact, if at all?
./bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
List them! I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean/Briton/Israeli call me indigenous/disease-laden/'cancer in the body'! You say we've brought it upon ourselves, no?
On 19 June 2012 14:39, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Was Miri Regev referal to Sudannese immigrants as a "cancer in the body" a slip of the tongue too?
Or perhaps there's some truth in all these 'slips' ? I for one can provide several examples of "primitive energy of indigenous Kenyan people"..
./bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com>wrote:
Pole for cross-posting...
If you thought the Koreans were 'bloody bure' for calling you and I primitive, you will be shocked to learn The U.K's (dis)Honourable Health Minister thinks we all have some weird diseases! Here's the link,read it to the last paragraph... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308 . I think some of these things are more than mere slips of the tongue. The mouth speaks what is in the heart and this just shows some people have very little regards for people who live in Africa!
On 19 June 2012 09:39, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Another explanation is that these gooks realy didnt mean to offend. They may be victim of poor translation into broken Korean "Igrish" just like the popular "All your base are belong to us<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us>" maneno!
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> @Lloyd 'primitive Energy' could be 'pure energy' which > is complimentary. > > *_______________________________________________________________ > We must Keep on, > * > > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com > > wrote: > >> Lloyd, in the second lesson you said Korean's instead of Koreans. >> :-) so all this explanation refuses to run, just as you have >> explained in your conclusion. >> On Jun 19, 2012 1:55 AM, "Lloyd Njunge" <njungelloyd@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a >>> "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe. >>> >>> Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term >>> "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, but >>> why >>> so? >>> >>> Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word >>> "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with societal >>> conditioning to regard the same as such? >>> >>> Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND >>> understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an >>> unthinkable >>> notion. >>> >>> Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal >>> Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays. >>> >>> Lets work under the premises that >>> 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's most >>> intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics". >>> >>> 2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is >>> still >>> intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term >>> "Primitive Energy". >>> >>> Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word >>> "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". >>> And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a >>> delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE. >>> >>> So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually >>> Energy... >>> NOT Kenyans! :) >>> >>> Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? >>> For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word >>> "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or >>> preserving >>> an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of >>> someTHING!" >>> >>> Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with >>> regard >>> to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is thus >>> grammaticaly wrong! >>> >>> Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER >>> constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"! >>> >>> But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here is >>> the >>> word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines >>> didnt >>> refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :) >>> >>> But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! >>> A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well as >>> others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you >>> kidding me?! >>> >>> If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word >>> "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a pre-literate >>> era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but >>> not >>> able to understand or contextualize a language, both are sailors >>> of >>> the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate". >>> >>> The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle in >>> full. >>> Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an interpreter) >>> that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax. >>> >>> Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of >>> #KOT on >>> Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it >>> was >>> "exceptional" LQTM. >>> >>> LESSONS LEARNT? >>> 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive and >>> #KOT proved that. >>> From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" that >>> never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and prowress" >>> of >>> the English Language. >>> But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! >>> One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A >>> friggin >>> occupational requirement maybe?! >>> >>> But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" in >>> which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with >>> Punctuation". >>> I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case for >>> the >>> statement's validity. >>> >>> 2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... >>> colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and >>> all! >>> Please say it aint so! >>> >>> 3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a >>> filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the >>> worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so. >>> >>> And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those less >>> fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a supposed >>> level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? >>> Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to >>> rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and may >>> very >>> well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013? >>> >>> DISCLAIMER >>> I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far >>> from >>> it. I consider myself a life time student of English. >>> >>> And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie >>> forum to >>> begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly still >>> continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single >>> misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in a >>> program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just >>> because >>> of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris! >>> >>> On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems >>> kenyans are >>> > bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as >>> they say >>> > "nyani haoni kundule" >>> > follow line if you are curious. >>> > http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg >>> > >>> > in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are >>> Kenyans on >>> > Twitter (#KOT). What't your take? >>> > >>> > Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi >>> > >>> > :) >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> *Njung'e N. 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You are taking this way too seriously!! Can't help but chuckle every time I read that phrase. Spare a moment for the person who hit the send button :-) FYI the full sentence was '.. and the Indigenous people are full of Primitive Energy' we should share some with the expats and those in transit :-) On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
"I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean"
In other words, you'd rather I call you primitive than a Korean, no?
,/bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
And where did I say that? Try calling me that in person and you will get a clear understanding of how I feel about it! :)
On 19 June 2012 14:51, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
So its Ok for an African-American using the N word but no one else? Does it change the fact, if at all?
./bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
List them! I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean/Briton/Israeli call me indigenous/disease-laden/'cancer in the body'! You say we've brought it upon ourselves, no?
On 19 June 2012 14:39, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Was Miri Regev referal to Sudannese immigrants as a "cancer in the body" a slip of the tongue too?
Or perhaps there's some truth in all these 'slips' ? I for one can provide several examples of "primitive energy of indigenous Kenyan people"..
./bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Pole for cross-posting...
If you thought the Koreans were 'bloody bure' for calling you and I primitive, you will be shocked to learn The U.K's (dis)Honourable Health Minister thinks we all have some weird diseases! Here's the link,read it to the last paragraph... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308 . I think some of these things are more than mere slips of the tongue. The mouth speaks what is in the heart and this just shows some people have very little regards for people who live in Africa!
On 19 June 2012 09:39, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote: > > Another explanation is that these gooks realy didnt mean to offend. > They may be victim of poor translation into broken Korean "Igrish" > just like the popular "All your base are belong to us" maneno! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The value of a prototype is in the education it gives you, > not in the code it's made of. > _______________________________________________ > > > > > 2012/6/19 joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> >> >> @Lloyd 'primitive Energy' could be 'pure energy' which >> is complimentary. >> >> _______________________________________________________________ >> We must Keep on, >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Martin Gicheru >> <martin@techweez.com> wrote: >>> >>> Lloyd, in the second lesson you said Korean's instead of Koreans. >>> :-) so all this explanation refuses to run, just as you have >>> explained in your conclusion. >>> >>> On Jun 19, 2012 1:55 AM, "Lloyd Njunge" <njungelloyd@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a >>>> "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe. >>>> >>>> Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term >>>> "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, but >>>> why >>>> so? >>>> >>>> Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word >>>> "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with >>>> societal >>>> conditioning to regard the same as such? >>>> >>>> Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND >>>> understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an >>>> unthinkable >>>> notion. >>>> >>>> Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal >>>> Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays. >>>> >>>> Lets work under the premises that >>>> 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's >>>> most >>>> intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics". >>>> >>>> 2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is >>>> still >>>> intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term >>>> "Primitive Energy". >>>> >>>> Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word >>>> "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". >>>> And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a >>>> delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE. >>>> >>>> So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually >>>> Energy... >>>> NOT Kenyans! :) >>>> >>>> Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? >>>> For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word >>>> "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or >>>> preserving >>>> an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of >>>> someTHING!" >>>> >>>> Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with >>>> regard >>>> to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is >>>> thus >>>> grammaticaly wrong! >>>> >>>> Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER >>>> constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"! >>>> >>>> But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here is >>>> the >>>> word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines >>>> didnt >>>> refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :) >>>> >>>> But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! >>>> A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well as >>>> others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you >>>> kidding me?! >>>> >>>> If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word >>>> "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a >>>> pre-literate >>>> era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but >>>> not >>>> able to understand or contextualize a language, both are sailors >>>> of >>>> the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate". >>>> >>>> The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle in >>>> full. >>>> Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an interpreter) >>>> that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax. >>>> >>>> Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of >>>> #KOT on >>>> Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it >>>> was >>>> "exceptional" LQTM. >>>> >>>> LESSONS LEARNT? >>>> 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive and >>>> #KOT proved that. >>>> From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" that >>>> never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and prowress" >>>> of >>>> the English Language. >>>> But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! >>>> One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A >>>> friggin >>>> occupational requirement maybe?! >>>> >>>> But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" in >>>> which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with >>>> Punctuation". >>>> I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case for >>>> the >>>> statement's validity. >>>> >>>> 2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... >>>> colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and >>>> all! >>>> Please say it aint so! >>>> >>>> 3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a >>>> filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the >>>> worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so. >>>> >>>> And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those less >>>> fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a >>>> supposed >>>> level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? >>>> Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to >>>> rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and may >>>> very >>>> well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013? >>>> >>>> DISCLAIMER >>>> I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far >>>> from >>>> it. I consider myself a life time student of English. >>>> >>>> And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie >>>> forum to >>>> begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly >>>> still >>>> continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single >>>> misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in a >>>> program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just >>>> because >>>> of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris! >>>> >>>> On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems >>>> > kenyans are >>>> > bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as >>>> > they say >>>> > "nyani haoni kundule" >>>> > follow line if you are curious. >>>> > http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg >>>> > >>>> > in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are >>>> > Kenyans on >>>> > Twitter (#KOT). What't your take? >>>> > >>>> > Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi >>>> > >>>> > :) >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> *Njung'e N. 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Copy the whole sentence i.e "...I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean/Briton/Israeli call me indigenous/disease-laden/cancer in the body'!.." In other words, if every non-African thinks Africans(nothing to do with race btw) are the problem, we might as well talk about it amongst ourselves and find out why they think so! Hence my earlier sentiments! Does that clarify it for you? On 19 June 2012 15:07, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
"I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean"
In other words, you'd rather I call you primitive than a Korean, no?
,/bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
And where did I say that? Try calling me that in person and you will get a clear understanding of how I feel about it! :)
On 19 June 2012 14:51, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
So its Ok for an African-American using the N word but no one else? Does it change the fact, if at all?
./bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
List them! I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean/Briton/Israeli call me indigenous/disease-laden/'cancer in the body'! You say we've brought it upon ourselves, no?
On 19 June 2012 14:39, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Was Miri Regev referal to Sudannese immigrants as a "cancer in the body" a slip of the tongue too?
Or perhaps there's some truth in all these 'slips' ? I for one can provide several examples of "primitive energy of indigenous Kenyan people"..
./bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com>wrote:
Pole for cross-posting...
If you thought the Koreans were 'bloody bure' for calling you and I primitive, you will be shocked to learn The U.K's (dis)Honourable Health Minister thinks we all have some weird diseases! Here's the link,read it to the last paragraph... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308 . I think some of these things are more than mere slips of the tongue. The mouth speaks what is in the heart and this just shows some people have very little regards for people who live in Africa!
On 19 June 2012 09:39, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Another explanation is that these gooks realy didnt mean to offend. > They may be victim of poor translation into broken Korean "Igrish" > just like the popular "All your base are belong to us<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us>" > maneno! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > *The value of a prototype is in the education it gives you, * > *not in the code it's made of. ** > * > _______________________________________________ > * > > * > > > > 2012/6/19 joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> > >> @Lloyd 'primitive Energy' could be 'pure energy' which >> is complimentary. >> >> *_______________________________________________________________ >> We must Keep on, >> * >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Martin Gicheru < >> martin@techweez.com> wrote: >> >>> Lloyd, in the second lesson you said Korean's instead of Koreans. >>> :-) so all this explanation refuses to run, just as you have >>> explained in your conclusion. >>> On Jun 19, 2012 1:55 AM, "Lloyd Njunge" <njungelloyd@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a >>>> "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe. >>>> >>>> Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term >>>> "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, but >>>> why >>>> so? >>>> >>>> Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word >>>> "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with >>>> societal >>>> conditioning to regard the same as such? >>>> >>>> Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND >>>> understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an >>>> unthinkable >>>> notion. >>>> >>>> Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal >>>> Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays. >>>> >>>> Lets work under the premises that >>>> 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's >>>> most >>>> intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics". >>>> >>>> 2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is >>>> still >>>> intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term >>>> "Primitive Energy". >>>> >>>> Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word >>>> "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". >>>> And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a >>>> delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE. >>>> >>>> So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually >>>> Energy... >>>> NOT Kenyans! :) >>>> >>>> Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? >>>> For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word >>>> "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or >>>> preserving >>>> an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of >>>> someTHING!" >>>> >>>> Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with >>>> regard >>>> to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is >>>> thus >>>> grammaticaly wrong! >>>> >>>> Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER >>>> constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"! >>>> >>>> But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here >>>> is the >>>> word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines >>>> didnt >>>> refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :) >>>> >>>> But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! >>>> A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well as >>>> others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you >>>> kidding me?! >>>> >>>> If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word >>>> "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a >>>> pre-literate >>>> era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but >>>> not >>>> able to understand or contextualize a language, both are sailors >>>> of >>>> the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate". >>>> >>>> The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle >>>> in full. >>>> Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an interpreter) >>>> that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax. >>>> >>>> Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of >>>> #KOT on >>>> Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it >>>> was >>>> "exceptional" LQTM. >>>> >>>> LESSONS LEARNT? >>>> 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive and >>>> #KOT proved that. >>>> From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" that >>>> never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and >>>> prowress" of >>>> the English Language. >>>> But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! >>>> One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A >>>> friggin >>>> occupational requirement maybe?! >>>> >>>> But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" in >>>> which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with >>>> Punctuation". >>>> I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case >>>> for the >>>> statement's validity. >>>> >>>> 2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... >>>> colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and >>>> all! >>>> Please say it aint so! >>>> >>>> 3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a >>>> filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the >>>> worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so. >>>> >>>> And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those less >>>> fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a >>>> supposed >>>> level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? >>>> Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to >>>> rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and may >>>> very >>>> well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013? >>>> >>>> DISCLAIMER >>>> I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far >>>> from >>>> it. I consider myself a life time student of English. >>>> >>>> And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie >>>> forum to >>>> begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly >>>> still >>>> continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single >>>> misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in a >>>> program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just >>>> because >>>> of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris! >>>> >>>> On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems >>>> kenyans are >>>> > bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as >>>> they say >>>> > "nyani haoni kundule" >>>> > follow line if you are curious. >>>> > http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg >>>> > >>>> > in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are >>>> Kenyans on >>>> > Twitter (#KOT). What't your take? >>>> > >>>> > Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi >>>> > >>>> > :) >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> *Njung'e N. 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Quite clarified. I (African) think we (African) are primitive, and we can, you know, talk it amongst ourselves and well, find out why.I shouldn't really care on why they think so, true? ./Bernard On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Copy the whole sentence i.e "...I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean/Briton/Israeli call me indigenous/disease-laden/cancer in the body'!.." In other words, if every non-African thinks Africans(nothing to do with race btw) are the problem, we might as well talk about it amongst ourselves and find out why they think so! Hence my earlier sentiments! Does that clarify it for you?
On 19 June 2012 15:07, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
"I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean"
In other words, you'd rather I call you primitive than a Korean, no?
,/bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
And where did I say that? Try calling me that in person and you will get a clear understanding of how I feel about it! :)
On 19 June 2012 14:51, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
So its Ok for an African-American using the N word but no one else? Does it change the fact, if at all?
./bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com>wrote:
List them! I would rather have a fellow African(Black or otherwise) correct me harshly than a Korean/Briton/Israeli call me indigenous/disease-laden/'cancer in the body'! You say we've brought it upon ourselves, no?
On 19 June 2012 14:39, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Was Miri Regev referal to Sudannese immigrants as a "cancer in the body" a slip of the tongue too?
Or perhaps there's some truth in all these 'slips' ? I for one can provide several examples of "primitive energy of indigenous Kenyan people"..
./bernard
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> Pole for cross-posting... > > If you thought the Koreans were 'bloody bure' for calling you and I > primitive, you will be shocked to learn The U.K's (dis)Honourable Health > Minister thinks we all have some weird diseases! Here's the link,read it to > the last paragraph... > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308 . I think > some of these things are more than mere slips of the tongue. The mouth > speaks what is in the heart and this just shows some people have very > little regards for people who live in Africa! > > > On 19 June 2012 09:39, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Another explanation is that these gooks realy didnt mean to offend. >> They may be victim of poor translation into broken Korean "Igrish" >> just like the popular "All your base are belong to us<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us>" >> maneno! >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> *The value of a prototype is in the education it gives you, * >> *not in the code it's made of. ** >> * >> _______________________________________________ >> * >> >> * >> >> >> >> 2012/6/19 joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> >> >>> @Lloyd 'primitive Energy' could be 'pure energy' which >>> is complimentary. >>> >>> *_______________________________________________________________ >>> We must Keep on, >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Martin Gicheru < >>> martin@techweez.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Lloyd, in the second lesson you said Korean's instead of Koreans. >>>> :-) so all this explanation refuses to run, just as you have >>>> explained in your conclusion. >>>> On Jun 19, 2012 1:55 AM, "Lloyd Njunge" <njungelloyd@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In retrospect of today's outrage by #KOT on what i shall deem a >>>>> "perceivably offensive statement", one must truly stand in awe. >>>>> >>>>> Because it is all about perception, isnt it? I mean, the term >>>>> "Primitive Energy" at first glance might be deemed offensive, >>>>> but why >>>>> so? >>>>> >>>>> Could it be due to the vastly misconstrued nature of the word >>>>> "Primitive" as a demeaning noun or adjective? Coupled with >>>>> societal >>>>> conditioning to regard the same as such? >>>>> >>>>> Outcome being even a casual glance to a dictionary to see AND >>>>> understand it's explicit as well as implicit meaning is an >>>>> unthinkable >>>>> notion. >>>>> >>>>> Scoring major points for both "Herd Mentality and Societal >>>>> Self-Policing" that are so painfully rampant nowadays. >>>>> >>>>> Lets work under the premises that >>>>> 1. Any language and in this particular case English is by it's >>>>> most >>>>> intrinsic definition simply "Syntax & Semantics". >>>>> >>>>> 2. And even at the very least, Std. 6 level grammar knowlege is >>>>> still >>>>> intact in the mind one anyone that "took offence" to the term >>>>> "Primitive Energy". >>>>> >>>>> Right of the bat, syntax wise it is painfully apparent the word >>>>> "Primitive" is preceeding "Energy". >>>>> And while Energy is unarguably a NOUN, Primitive is performing a >>>>> delimiting/descriptive function, and is therefore an ADJECTIVE. >>>>> >>>>> So the NOUN being delimited or described further is actually >>>>> Energy... >>>>> NOT Kenyans! :) >>>>> >>>>> Semantics wise: The resulting meaning of the term then becomes? >>>>> For that, lets refer to what the Dictionary say about the word >>>>> "Primitive" in adjective form? >> "Relating to, denoting or >>>>> preserving >>>>> an early stage in the evolutionary or historic development of >>>>> someTHING!" >>>>> >>>>> Which complimentary as it may be in the descriptive sense with >>>>> regard >>>>> to our (Kenyans) Energy, makes even less semantic sense and is >>>>> thus >>>>> grammaticaly wrong! >>>>> >>>>> Seeing as how Energy is in a perpetual state of flux thus NEVER >>>>> constant or as stated in the definition "preservable"! >>>>> >>>>> But lets not split hairs on Energy, the real issue/culprit here >>>>> is the >>>>> word "Primitive", and surprise sur-damn-prise! S. Korea Airlines >>>>> didnt >>>>> refer to Kenyans as primitive. How about that? :) >>>>> >>>>> But before one could even say... "I take offence to that"... BAM! >>>>> A twitter trend expressing sarcasm in the form of jokes as well >>>>> as >>>>> others with genuine outrage. And all i could think was, are you >>>>> kidding me?! >>>>> >>>>> If anything, the reaction validated the NOUN form of the word >>>>> "Primitive" that is defined as a person belonging to a >>>>> pre-literate >>>>> era. Because, lets face it, If you cant read or probably can but >>>>> not >>>>> able to understand or contextualize a language, both are >>>>> sailors of >>>>> the same sea vessel righfully christened, "The illiterate". >>>>> >>>>> The mind being an Organic Computer too obeys the GIGO principle >>>>> in full. >>>>> Garbage In: Code/Language compiled (passed through an >>>>> interpreter) >>>>> that does it tragically wrong i.e Ignoring Syntax. >>>>> >>>>> Garbage Out: Refer to the #PrimitiveEnergy hashtag courtesy of >>>>> #KOT on >>>>> Twitter yesterday morning. I.e Exception Error, lets face it, it >>>>> was >>>>> "exceptional" LQTM. >>>>> >>>>> LESSONS LEARNT? >>>>> 1. Speaking English and Knowing English are mutually exclusive >>>>> and >>>>> #KOT proved that. >>>>> From the generic tweep, to the self appointed "Grammar Nazis" >>>>> that >>>>> never miss an opportunity to showcase their "mastery and >>>>> prowress" of >>>>> the English Language. >>>>> But most painful of all... The bloggers! LoL! >>>>> One would expect Knowledge of English to be , oh i dunno... A >>>>> friggin >>>>> occupational requirement maybe?! >>>>> >>>>> But i do recall a humorous statement from the movie "CONTAGION" >>>>> in >>>>> which a character refer's to Blogging as "Graffiti with >>>>> Punctuation". >>>>> I must say... Some (not all) #KOT Bloggers made a serious case >>>>> for the >>>>> statement's validity. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Korean's might know more english than us Kenyans! You know... >>>>> colonized for centuries by the BRITISH from friggin ENGland and >>>>> all! >>>>> Please say it aint so! >>>>> >>>>> 3. Probably most disturbing of all, intake of information with a >>>>> filtered and biased mind set that would rather rush to think the >>>>> worst, act and feel extremely justified in doing so. >>>>> >>>>> And if this is how "The Educated Class" reacts, what of those >>>>> less >>>>> fortunate or not priviledged enough not to have attained a >>>>> supposed >>>>> level of mental clarity and logical thought ability? >>>>> Can the information filtering and mental bias be applied to >>>>> rationalize how PEV or Genocides have occured in the past and >>>>> may very >>>>> well do so again in our very own back yard come 2013? >>>>> >>>>> DISCLAIMER >>>>> I am by no measure or form an expert on the language myself, far >>>>> from >>>>> it. I consider myself a life time student of English. >>>>> >>>>> And lastly perhaps a most fitting analogy this being a Techie >>>>> forum to >>>>> begin with; if theres anything i have learned and agonizingly >>>>> still >>>>> continue to do so through my Software Design experience, a single >>>>> misplaced "dot" or perhaps lack of a "semi-colon" can result in >>>>> a >>>>> program with even 10000000 lines of code refusing to run. Just >>>>> because >>>>> of "." or ";"... So watch the goddamn language pris! >>>>> >>>>> On 6/18/12, hellen masita <hellenmasita@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > hope none of you are missing this amazing occurrence. it seems >>>>> kenyans are >>>>> > bustling with a new kind of energy called primitive energy. as >>>>> they say >>>>> > "nyani haoni kundule" >>>>> > follow line if you are curious. >>>>> > http://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/05/nbo_eng.jpg >>>>> > >>>>> > in case you are wondering, i am positively fuming and so are >>>>> Kenyans on >>>>> > Twitter (#KOT). What't your take? >>>>> > >>>>> > Ujinga ni kukosa kuosha kifua kwasababu roho ni safi >>>>> > >>>>> > :) >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>> >>>>> *Njung'e N. 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Some guys are quite funny. Someone steps on another's shoe over a Korean gaffe and you want to pull a bazooka on him... You'll realize as time and experience takes its toll on you folks, that making a point is not the point. Adios...
Primitive energy anyone? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308 ./bernard On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com>wrote:
Some guys are quite funny. Someone steps on another's shoe over a Korean gaffe and you want to pull a bazooka on him...
You'll realize as time and experience takes its toll on you folks, that making a point is not the point.
Adios...
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Actually, the UK Politician is not at fault. He is doing his job of keeping his countries blood banks 1,000,000 miles away from the nearest infection. _______________________________________________ *The value of a prototype is in the education it gives you, * *not in the code it's made of. ** * _______________________________________________ * * 2012/6/19 Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>
Primitive energy anyone? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com>wrote:
Some guys are quite funny. Someone steps on another's shoe over a Korean gaffe and you want to pull a bazooka on him...
You'll realize as time and experience takes its toll on you folks, that making a point is not the point.
Adios...
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@james, Dont go to blood donations because its a big area on its own. sometimes you are not eligible if you lived in some part of the world or had sex with a Nigerian etc. etc. based on what a country's blood bank thinks is not eligible blood and this not only against some african countries like Niger, Congo.. but also UK e.t.c And yes the rules here are many and differ for medical reasons *_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, * On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, the UK Politician is not at fault. He is doing his job of keeping his countries blood banks 1,000,000 miles away from the nearest infection.
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2012/6/19 Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>
Primitive energy anyone? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308
./bernard
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Haggai Nyang <haggai.nyang@gmail.com>wrote:
Some guys are quite funny. Someone steps on another's shoe over a Korean gaffe and you want to pull a bazooka on him...
You'll realize as time and experience takes its toll on you folks, that making a point is not the point.
Adios...
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@joe Boss! don't crucify me yet. All i meant was to tell the above listers that the UK siasa man is not racist like Korean Air KE. If Afrika's prevalence rate were to drop to 1 in 50, he would consider otherwise of us _______________________________________________ *The value of a prototype is in the education it gives you, * *not in the code it's made of. ** * _______________________________________________ * * 2012/6/19 joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com>
@james, Dont go to blood donations because its a big area on its own.
sometimes you are not eligible if you lived in some part of the world or had sex with a Nigerian etc. etc. based on what a country's blood bank thinks is not eligible blood and this not only against some african countries like Niger, Congo.. but also UK e.t.c And yes the rules here are many and differ for medical reasons
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM, James Nzomo <kazikubwa@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, the UK Politician is not at fault. He is doing his job of keeping his countries blood banks 1,000,000 miles away from the nearest infection.
_______________________________________________
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*
2012/6/19 Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>
Primitive energy anyone? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308
./bernard
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Some guys are quite funny. Someone steps on another's shoe over a Korean gaffe and you want to pull a bazooka on him...
You'll realize as time and experience takes its toll on you folks, that making a point is not the point.
Adios...
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Our long distance runners are running on some form of primitive energy that's why they are wining medals after medals... No steroids rgds Patrick
Obviously two wrongs do not make a right! If we have a problem with the airline, that does not make the entire nation a nation of 'buggers'. Maybe it's just their marketing team that is full of these 'buggers', no? :) On 19 June 2012 20:10, Melissa Kanyi <melissakanyi@gmail.com> wrote:
these Korean Buggers
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Wait just a minute ...wasn't one of our ministers proposing to eat Rats just the other day? face it people we have more to prove to the world but thanks to our leaders it seems like a 2 step forward and 5 steps back kinda thing On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Obviously two wrongs do not make a right! If we have a problem with the airline, that does not make the entire nation a nation of 'buggers'. Maybe it's just their marketing team that is full of these 'buggers', no? :)
On 19 June 2012 20:10, Melissa Kanyi <melissakanyi@gmail.com> wrote:
these Korean Buggers
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A friend in Belgium is advising that we ( Kenyans) should get a way of head hunting the guy that created that advert. With the success of creating a buzz and thousands of followers in such a record speed, stuff like the wildebeest migration and world records would sell. This came from the fact that Korean air seems also to be a record holder in Plane accidents...some proof.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_incidents_and_accidents Kimani From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Melissa Kanyi Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:11 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Primitive energy these Korean Buggers
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Bernard Mwagiru -
David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd -
geoffrey gitagia -
Haggai Nyang -
hellen masita -
James Nzomo -
joe mwirigi -
Kimani : TransTech " Love For Tech Stuff" -
Lloyd Njunge -
Martin Gicheru -
Melissa Kanyi -
Moses Muya -
Patrick Karanja