Good people, For a week or two now I keep updating my site through FTP, but the changes dont take effect unless I rename the file(s) in question. Is it possible that my ISP (Access Kenya) is caching my pages? Regards
Yes, its a common issue with AccessKenya. Try access the specific files, for example www.access.co.ke/index.phpinstead of just www.access.co.ke or, open the stylesheet then try open the page, for example www.access.co.ke/css/stylesheet.css That usually works for me 2009/7/21 Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com>
Good people,
For a week or two now I keep updating my site through FTP, but the changes dont take effect unless I rename the file(s) in question. Is it possible that my ISP (Access Kenya) is caching my pages?
Regards
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*if its a php page you can use. You can use the pragma :nocache header in your script code to force out any cache instances. --------------------------------------------- Before you output any HTML data put this in your script* Header("Cache-control: private, no-cache"); Header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jun 1997 05:00:00 GMT"); Header("Pragma: no-cache"); --------------------------------------------- *Additional to that you can add * header ("Last-Modified: " . gmdate ("D, d M Y H:i:s") . " GMT"); and following html-Tag <META http-equiv="expires" content="0"> *if its an asp page you can add* <% pStr = "private, no-cache, must-revalidate" Response.ExpiresAbsolute = #2000-01-01# Response.AddHeader "pragma", "no-cache" Response.AddHeader "cache-control", pStr %>
I was jst about to say what Anangwe recommends because web caching is a reality on the internet, you cant jst do away with web caching not even where technology has been first developed. In the market there are all sorts of appliances from Cisco to Juniper that are built to cache traffic besides Web caching. The big question should be , when will web developers conform to best practice ? Most developers mind about design of the web site but forget to add to cart best practices. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:
*if its a php page you can use.
You can use the pragma :nocache header in your script code to force out any cache instances.
--------------------------------------------- Before you output any HTML data put this in your script*
Header("Cache-control: private, no-cache"); Header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jun 1997 05:00:00 GMT"); Header("Pragma: no-cache");
---------------------------------------------
*Additional to that you can add *
header ("Last-Modified: " . gmdate ("D, d M Y H:i:s") . " GMT");
and following html-Tag
<META http-equiv="expires" content="0">
*if its an asp page you can add*
<% pStr = "private, no-cache, must-revalidate" Response.ExpiresAbsolute = #2000-01-01# Response.AddHeader "pragma", "no-cache" Response.AddHeader "cache-control", pStr %>
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The thing is, if I access the same sites form a diferent location (with a different ISP), I am able to see my changes... :( On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
I was jst about to say what Anangwe recommends because web caching is a reality on the internet, you cant jst do away with web caching not even where technology has been first developed. In the market there are all sorts of appliances from Cisco to Juniper that are built to cache traffic besides Web caching. The big question should be , when will web developers conform to best practice ? Most developers mind about design of the web site but forget to add to cart best practices.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:
*if its a php page you can use.
You can use the pragma :nocache header in your script code to force out any cache instances.
--------------------------------------------- Before you output any HTML data put this in your script*
Header("Cache-control: private, no-cache"); Header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jun 1997 05:00:00 GMT"); Header("Pragma: no-cache");
---------------------------------------------
*Additional to that you can add *
header ("Last-Modified: " . gmdate ("D, d M Y H:i:s") . " GMT");
and following html-Tag
<META http-equiv="expires" content="0">
*if its an asp page you can add*
<% pStr = "private, no-cache, must-revalidate" Response.ExpiresAbsolute = #2000-01-01# Response.AddHeader "pragma", "no-cache" Response.AddHeader "cache-control", pStr %>
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Sir, Web caching is a reality lets accept this fact from the technical point of view, there is not single major provider in the world who does not practice web caching. Best Practice is a standard that has to be adopted by all techies to try & reach 100 % efficiency ... any sane techie on the list would definitely agree with me that the 100 % mark cant be reached but how do we ensure we get nearer to that level as we ran this race ? By refusing to add those codes you are refusing to add efficiency to your website or your companies website .. there is no loss in implementing best practices regardless of where you source the information from, there is a big loss by refusing to add a best practice on your fingertips while basing your from a not very professional view. You need to ask yourself this ? Do I need a win win situation, or a win loss , or loss loss its only 3 options you hv pls take the win win since there is no loss win .. trust me you want your website efficient and the company want's that too its not something to do with your wants from a personal point of view its "NEED" on technical level. 1. How many providers have caching implemented on their network's globally ? 2. How does that affect my websites efficiency ? 3. What should I do to ensure those who hv caching implemented & those who dont hv caching still get up to date information ? 4. Can I tell the world to stop web caching ? The document at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_cache & many more like this was not something designed by your provider but a panel of People who make the internet a better experience, by humbly taking good Ideas and turning them into best practices. You hv a choice to become one of them right now or frustrate their efforts in this race. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
The thing is, if I access the same sites form a diferent location (with a different ISP), I am able to see my changes... :(
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
I was jst about to say what Anangwe recommends because web caching is a reality on the internet, you cant jst do away with web caching not even where technology has been first developed. In the market there are all sorts of appliances from Cisco to Juniper that are built to cache traffic besides Web caching. The big question should be , when will web developers conform to best practice ? Most developers mind about design of the web site but forget to add to cart best practices.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:
*if its a php page you can use.
You can use the pragma :nocache header in your script code to force out any cache instances.
--------------------------------------------- Before you output any HTML data put this in your script*
Header("Cache-control: private, no-cache"); Header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jun 1997 05:00:00 GMT"); Header("Pragma: no-cache");
---------------------------------------------
*Additional to that you can add *
header ("Last-Modified: " . gmdate ("D, d M Y H:i:s") . " GMT");
and following html-Tag
<META http-equiv="expires" content="0">
*if its an asp page you can add*
<% pStr = "private, no-cache, must-revalidate" Response.ExpiresAbsolute = #2000-01-01# Response.AddHeader "pragma", "no-cache" Response.AddHeader "cache-control", pStr %>
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Hi Sam, I have not refused to add the codes, in fact I had already did, and also I do not disagree that Web Caching adds efficiency. Problem is, what the use of adding the code, if the pages with the code are inaccessible. My browser still downloads the old pages - without the code On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Sir, Web caching is a reality lets accept this fact from the technical point of view, there is not single major provider in the world who does not practice web caching. Best Practice is a standard that has to be adopted by all techies to try & reach 100 % efficiency ... any sane techie on the list would definitely agree with me that the 100 % mark cant be reached but how do we ensure we get nearer to that level as we ran this race ? By refusing to add those codes you are refusing to add efficiency to your website or your companies website .. there is no loss in implementing best practices regardless of where you source the information from, there is a big loss by refusing to add a best practice on your fingertips while basing your from a not very professional view. You need to ask yourself this ?
Do I need a win win situation, or a win loss , or loss loss its only 3 options you hv pls take the win win since there is no loss win .. trust me you want your website efficient and the company want's that too its not something to do with your wants from a personal point of view its "NEED" on technical level.
1. How many providers have caching implemented on their network's globally ?
2. How does that affect my websites efficiency ?
3. What should I do to ensure those who hv caching implemented & those who dont hv caching still get up to date information ?
4. Can I tell the world to stop web caching ?
The document at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_cache & many more like this was not something designed by your provider but a panel of People who make the internet a better experience, by humbly taking good Ideas and turning them into best practices. You hv a choice to become one of them right now or frustrate their efforts in this race.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
The thing is, if I access the same sites form a diferent location (with a different ISP), I am able to see my changes... :(
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
I was jst about to say what Anangwe recommends because web caching is a reality on the internet, you cant jst do away with web caching not even where technology has been first developed. In the market there are all sorts of appliances from Cisco to Juniper that are built to cache traffic besides Web caching. The big question should be , when will web developers conform to best practice ? Most developers mind about design of the web site but forget to add to cart best practices.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:
*if its a php page you can use.
You can use the pragma :nocache header in your script code to force out any cache instances.
--------------------------------------------- Before you output any HTML data put this in your script*
Header("Cache-control: private, no-cache"); Header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jun 1997 05:00:00 GMT"); Header("Pragma: no-cache");
---------------------------------------------
*Additional to that you can add *
header ("Last-Modified: " . gmdate ("D, d M Y H:i:s") . " GMT");
and following html-Tag
<META http-equiv="expires" content="0">
*if its an asp page you can add*
<% pStr = "private, no-cache, must-revalidate" Response.ExpiresAbsolute = #2000-01-01# Response.AddHeader "pragma", "no-cache" Response.AddHeader "cache-control", pStr %>
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Big Quark<thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
The thing is, if I access the same sites form a diferent location (with a different ISP), I am able to see my changes... :(
Its your ISP at fault ... i have had similar issues with Accesskenya ... had to ask them to not cache certain addresses and IPs .... Using pragma-no-cache directives etc. is bad practice and will probably slow down your site significant if you get many requests....
Yes, What you mention is primarily one of the reasons caching was invented , it goes a long way off-loading a few stuff from the web server besides jst memory, well it affects the number of hits you get though if your site relies on hit counters for marketing there is probably a reduction on the counters with caching Implemented. "No-cache at all" is though recommended for dynamic websites that change hourly, per-minute , per -second take something like a news site that needs to update breaking news. The caching thats recommended for users who sites is more close to static is content expiry. That too was posted by earlier on. Moving forth, would you mind telling me the sites name I also try it from my location & see. Pls include the uri's reporting problems so that we can work on a resolve & ask the provider if this is really an issue to do with them. I know of many techies who say the problem is there & are not willing to take part in resolves because of their ego issue & stuff .. that does not scale and does not help skunkers ... this is a place for resolution not small talks. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:43 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Big Quark<thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
The thing is, if I access the same sites form a diferent location (with a different ISP), I am able to see my changes... :(
Its your ISP at fault ... i have had similar issues with Accesskenya ... had to ask them to not cache certain addresses and IPs ....
Using pragma-no-cache directives etc. is bad practice and will probably slow down your site significant if you get many requests.... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has not formula thats why a best practice is put in place. *<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html lang="en-US"> <head> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <link rel="stylesheet" href="http://l.yimg.com/b/news/combo/KLO098jh?http%3A//l.yimg.com/us.js.yimg.com/combo%3Fuh/css/uh-1.1.3.css&story/assets/css/1.0.1/generic/story.css" type="text/css"></link> <link rel="canonical" href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan"></link> <meta http-equiv="Pragma" content="no-cache"> <meta http-equiv="Expires" content="0">* On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, What you mention is primarily one of the reasons caching was invented , it goes a long way off-loading a few stuff from the web server besides jst memory, well it affects the number of hits you get though if your site relies on hit counters for marketing there is probably a reduction on the counters with caching Implemented.
"No-cache at all" is though recommended for dynamic websites that change hourly, per-minute , per -second take something like a news site that needs to update breaking news.
The caching thats recommended for users who sites is more close to static is content expiry. That too was posted by earlier on.
Moving forth, would you mind telling me the sites name I also try it from my location & see. Pls include the uri's reporting problems so that we can work on a resolve & ask the provider if this is really an issue to do with them. I know of many techies who say the problem is there & are not willing to take part in resolves because of their ego issue & stuff .. that does not scale and does not help skunkers ... this is a place for resolution not small talks.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:43 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Big Quark<thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
The thing is, if I access the same sites form a diferent location (with a different ISP), I am able to see my changes... :(
Its your ISP at fault ... i have had similar issues with Accesskenya ... had to ask them to not cache certain addresses and IPs ....
Using pragma-no-cache directives etc. is bad practice and will probably slow down your site significant if you get many requests.... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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-- Samson Oduor
Sam, The HTML solution is not working for me, note that its the server that is caching NOT the browser, so the page arriving at the browser DOES NOT have the meta tags. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has not formula thats why a best practice is put in place.
*<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html lang="en-US"> <head> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://l.yimg.com/b/news/combo/KLO098jh?http%3A//l.yimg.com/us.js.yimg.com/combo%3Fuh/css/uh-1.1.3.css&story/assets/css/1.0.1/generic/story.css <http://l.yimg.com/b/news/combo/KLO098jh?http%3A//l.yimg.com/us.js.yimg.com/combo%3Fuh/css/uh-1.1.3.css&story/assets/css/1.0.1/generic/story.css>" type="text/css"></link>
<link rel="canonical" href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan"></link>
<meta http-equiv="Pragma" content="no-cache">
<meta http-equiv="Expires" content="0">*
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, What you mention is primarily one of the reasons caching was invented , it goes a long way off-loading a few stuff from the web server besides jst memory, well it affects the number of hits you get though if your site relies on hit counters for marketing there is probably a reduction on the counters with caching Implemented.
"No-cache at all" is though recommended for dynamic websites that change hourly, per-minute , per -second take something like a news site that needs to update breaking news.
The caching thats recommended for users who sites is more close to static is content expiry. That too was posted by earlier on.
Moving forth, would you mind telling me the sites name I also try it from my location & see. Pls include the uri's reporting problems so that we can work on a resolve & ask the provider if this is really an issue to do with them. I know of many techies who say the problem is there & are not willing to take part in resolves because of their ego issue & stuff .. that does not scale and does not help skunkers ... this is a place for resolution not small talks.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:43 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Big Quark<thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
The thing is, if I access the same sites form a diferent location (with a different ISP), I am able to see my changes... :(
Its your ISP at fault ... i have had similar issues with Accesskenya ... had to ask them to not cache certain addresses and IPs ....
Using pragma-no-cache directives etc. is bad practice and will probably slow down your site significant if you get many requests.... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Ok, Would you pls send me the website details I check from my connection, if you dont mind pls include the urls giving you problems & also do a dir or ls -al on the hosting server. so that I can give some guidelines as to where the problem lies & even much better a RESOLUTION. Thats the best of my interest. Cheers On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
Sam,
The HTML solution is not working for me, note that its the server that is caching NOT the browser, so the page arriving at the browser DOES NOT have the meta tags.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has not formula thats why a best practice is put in place.
*<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html lang="en-US"> <head> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://l.yimg.com/b/news/combo/KLO098jh?http%3A//l.yimg.com/us.js.yimg.com/combo%3Fuh/css/uh-1.1.3.css&story/assets/css/1.0.1/generic/story.css <http://l.yimg.com/b/news/combo/KLO098jh?http%3A//l.yimg.com/us.js.yimg.com/combo%3Fuh/css/uh-1.1.3.css&story/assets/css/1.0.1/generic/story.css>" type="text/css"></link>
<link rel="canonical" href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan"></link>
<meta http-equiv="Pragma" content="no-cache">
<meta http-equiv="Expires" content="0">*
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, What you mention is primarily one of the reasons caching was invented , it goes a long way off-loading a few stuff from the web server besides jst memory, well it affects the number of hits you get though if your site relies on hit counters for marketing there is probably a reduction on the counters with caching Implemented.
"No-cache at all" is though recommended for dynamic websites that change hourly, per-minute , per -second take something like a news site that needs to update breaking news.
The caching thats recommended for users who sites is more close to static is content expiry. That too was posted by earlier on.
Moving forth, would you mind telling me the sites name I also try it from my location & see. Pls include the uri's reporting problems so that we can work on a resolve & ask the provider if this is really an issue to do with them. I know of many techies who say the problem is there & are not willing to take part in resolves because of their ego issue & stuff .. that does not scale and does not help skunkers ... this is a place for resolution not small talks.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:43 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Big Quark<thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
The thing is, if I access the same sites form a diferent location (with a different ISP), I am able to see my changes... :(
Its your ISP at fault ... i have had similar issues with Accesskenya ... had to ask them to not cache certain addresses and IPs ....
Using pragma-no-cache directives etc. is bad practice and will probably slow down your site significant if you get many requests.... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor<sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has not formula thats why a best practice is put in place.
It makes sense on news sites, web mail sites, banking sites etc. where you dont want to expire content between visits as it may have changed or for security reasons (banking sites for instance...). If you are serving up half a dozen pages with static content, which is what most sites do, you shouldnt be setting those flags. the problem with the caching at accesskenya is their caching does not recognize when a page has changed intelligently, -- since the problem is not present with other isps..
Ok, I am a developer & built many sites with this kind of caching expiry I hv nvr run into any issue I use dreamhost. Could u pls I repeat plssssss send a sample of sites having problems I check through ? I am sure the source is viewable on the referenced page since Accesskenya internet community it would be important to point this out to them or post those websites having issue on the link ... I am sure someone somewhere is reading this & would be happy if those for instances are given here else how would you expect a way forth ? As I said you cant go to a doc & jst say am feeling unwell. You need to work with a doc in finding a cure .. and here @ skunkworks we are all doctors consulting so that we can cure any ailments within the Internet Community, this goes beyond boundary cauze in the end of the day if am using a provider I expect good service. In IT what we need to learn is what is called collaboration if you are not willing to forward those links for skunkers you are not serving any purpose by jst sitting & yelling a problem is somewhere. Problems are defined as things that hv solutions ? On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor<sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has not formula thats why a best practice is put in place.
It makes sense on news sites, web mail sites, banking sites etc. where you dont want to expire content between visits as it may have changed or for security reasons (banking sites for instance...).
If you are serving up half a dozen pages with static content, which is what most sites do, you shouldnt be setting those flags.
the problem with the caching at accesskenya is their caching does not recognize when a page has changed intelligently, -- since the problem is not present with other isps.. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Hi Sam I have sent you a direct email with all the details. I cannot paste the URL here. Read through and get back to me offlist Rgds On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor<sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has not formula thats why a best practice is put in place.
It makes sense on news sites, web mail sites, banking sites etc. where you dont want to expire content between visits as it may have changed or for security reasons (banking sites for instance...).
If you are serving up half a dozen pages with static content, which is what most sites do, you shouldnt be setting those flags.
the problem with the caching at accesskenya is their caching does not recognize when a page has changed intelligently, -- since the problem is not present with other isps.. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Thanks , I am checking it via different connections like 4 of them including one off-shore. Will get back to you. I am also raising this issue up with the provider. Ashok could you pls do the same if possible. Pls raise it with any provider based in Africa , I will try my best to get the right person involved. Many Thanks. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sam
I have sent you a direct email with all the details. I cannot paste the URL here. Read through and get back to me offlist
Rgds
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor<sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has not formula thats why a best practice is put in place.
It makes sense on news sites, web mail sites, banking sites etc. where you dont want to expire content between visits as it may have changed or for security reasons (banking sites for instance...).
If you are serving up half a dozen pages with static content, which is what most sites do, you shouldnt be setting those flags.
the problem with the caching at accesskenya is their caching does not recognize when a page has changed intelligently, -- since the problem is not present with other isps.. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Thanks Sam Am also making a more elaborate change for you to test also Rgds On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks , I am checking it via different connections like 4 of them including one off-shore. Will get back to you. I am also raising this issue up with the provider. Ashok could you pls do the same if possible. Pls raise it with any provider based in Africa , I will try my best to get the right person involved.
Many Thanks.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sam
I have sent you a direct email with all the details. I cannot paste the URL here. Read through and get back to me offlist
Rgds
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor<sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has not formula thats why a best practice is put in place.
It makes sense on news sites, web mail sites, banking sites etc. where you dont want to expire content between visits as it may have changed or for security reasons (banking sites for instance...).
If you are serving up half a dozen pages with static content, which is what most sites do, you shouldnt be setting those flags.
the problem with the caching at accesskenya is their caching does not recognize when a page has changed intelligently, -- since the problem is not present with other isps.. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Great ! On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Sam
Am also making a more elaborate change for you to test also
Rgds
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks , I am checking it via different connections like 4 of them including one off-shore. Will get back to you. I am also raising this issue up with the provider. Ashok could you pls do the same if possible. Pls raise it with any provider based in Africa , I will try my best to get the right person involved.
Many Thanks.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sam
I have sent you a direct email with all the details. I cannot paste the URL here. Read through and get back to me offlist
Rgds
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor<sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has not formula thats why a best practice is put in place.
It makes sense on news sites, web mail sites, banking sites etc. where you dont want to expire content between visits as it may have changed or for security reasons (banking sites for instance...).
If you are serving up half a dozen pages with static content, which is what most sites do, you shouldnt be setting those flags.
the problem with the caching at accesskenya is their caching does not recognize when a page has changed intelligently, -- since the problem is not present with other isps.. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Had a similar issue some time back when using an Access Kenya link. If you use firefox, you can override the cache by pressing Ctrl-F5 or Ctrl-Shift-R You might be forced to do this a number of times. Hope this works. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks , I am checking it via different connections like 4 of them including one off-shore. Will get back to you. I am also raising this issue up with the provider. Ashok could you pls do the same if possible. Pls raise it with any provider based in Africa , I will try my best to get the right person involved.
Many Thanks.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sam
I have sent you a direct email with all the details. I cannot paste the URL here. Read through and get back to me offlist
Rgds
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor<sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has not formula thats why a best practice is put in place.
It makes sense on news sites, web mail sites, banking sites etc. where you dont want to expire content between visits as it may have changed or for security reasons (banking sites for instance...).
If you are serving up half a dozen pages with static content, which is what most sites do, you shouldnt be setting those flags.
the problem with the caching at accesskenya is their caching does not recognize when a page has changed intelligently, -- since the problem is not present with other isps.. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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@Kahugu, WOW Ctrl+F5 DID WORK!!, but I cant tell my clients to do that :( , most would have no idea! So its really an ISP issue, over to you AK I think am going downstairs for a beer... On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Kahugu Isaac <ikahugu@gmail.com> wrote:
Had a similar issue some time back when using an Access Kenya link.
If you use firefox, you can override the cache by pressing
Ctrl-F5 or Ctrl-Shift-R
You might be forced to do this a number of times.
Hope this works.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks , I am checking it via different connections like 4 of them including one off-shore. Will get back to you. I am also raising this issue up with the provider. Ashok could you pls do the same if possible. Pls raise it with any provider based in Africa , I will try my best to get the right person involved.
Many Thanks.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sam
I have sent you a direct email with all the details. I cannot paste the URL here. Read through and get back to me offlist
Rgds
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor<sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has not formula thats why a best practice is put in place.
It makes sense on news sites, web mail sites, banking sites etc. where you dont want to expire content between visits as it may have changed or for security reasons (banking sites for instance...).
If you are serving up half a dozen pages with static content, which is what most sites do, you shouldnt be setting those flags.
the problem with the caching at accesskenya is their caching does not recognize when a page has changed intelligently, -- since the problem is not present with other isps.. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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I am glad to say a solution was find on this issue. Let this be the spirit of skunkers .. it will change the tradition of many techies in the country to the better Ashok am waiting for your email so that I can test from my office & pick it up with the provider or we sort it within ourselves. I am sure we can get to the bottom of your case too ? Great Evening. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
@Kahugu,
WOW Ctrl+F5 DID WORK!!, but I cant tell my clients to do that :( , most would have no idea! So its really an ISP issue, over to you AK
I think am going downstairs for a beer...
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Kahugu Isaac <ikahugu@gmail.com> wrote:
Had a similar issue some time back when using an Access Kenya link.
If you use firefox, you can override the cache by pressing
Ctrl-F5 or Ctrl-Shift-R
You might be forced to do this a number of times.
Hope this works.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks , I am checking it via different connections like 4 of them including one off-shore. Will get back to you. I am also raising this issue up with the provider. Ashok could you pls do the same if possible. Pls raise it with any provider based in Africa , I will try my best to get the right person involved.
Many Thanks.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Sam
I have sent you a direct email with all the details. I cannot paste the URL here. Read through and get back to me offlist
Rgds
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor<sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has not formula thats why a best practice is put in place.
It makes sense on news sites, web mail sites, banking sites etc. where you dont want to expire content between visits as it may have changed or for security reasons (banking sites for instance...).
If you are serving up half a dozen pages with static content, which is what most sites do, you shouldnt be setting those flags.
the problem with the caching at accesskenya is their caching does not recognize when a page has changed intelligently, -- since the problem is not present with other isps.. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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A simple solution is to bypass your isp cache by using tor. It works! :) On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
I am glad to say a solution was find on this issue. Let this be the spirit of skunkers .. it will change the tradition of many techies in the country to the better
Ashok am waiting for your email so that I can test from my office & pick it up with the provider or we sort it within ourselves. I am sure we can get to the bottom of your case too ?
Great Evening.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
@Kahugu,
WOW Ctrl+F5 DID WORK!!, but I cant tell my clients to do that :( , most would have no idea! So its really an ISP issue, over to you AK
I think am going downstairs for a beer...
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Kahugu Isaac <ikahugu@gmail.com> wrote:
Had a similar issue some time back when using an Access Kenya link.
If you use firefox, you can override the cache by pressing
Ctrl-F5 or Ctrl-Shift-R
You might be forced to do this a number of times.
Hope this works.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks , I am checking it via different connections like 4 of them including one off-shore. Will get back to you. I am also raising this issue up with the provider. Ashok could you pls do the same if possible. Pls raise it with any provider based in Africa , I will try my best to get the right person involved.
Many Thanks.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Sam
I have sent you a direct email with all the details. I cannot paste the URL here. Read through and get back to me offlist
Rgds
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor<sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote: > Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all is a bad > practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various news site. > The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as soon as > first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could hv bored > you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not all stuff > lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention it has > not formula thats why a best practice is put in place. >
It makes sense on news sites, web mail sites, banking sites etc. where you dont want to expire content between visits as it may have changed or for security reasons (banking sites for instance...).
If you are serving up half a dozen pages with static content, which is what most sites do, you shouldnt be setting those flags.
the problem with the caching at accesskenya is their caching does not recognize when a page has changed intelligently, -- since the problem is not present with other isps.. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Techies would use tor yes, how about the vast majority of non-techies who more like ensure techies get paid for paying up for service ? Simple solutions are nvr the way to go about problems of any kind .. but rather long term approach that ensures even granny can get stuff she wants easily. Technology is meant to make things easier & best practice basically goes a long way to ensure we reach towards this dream. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Lmwangi <lmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
A simple solution is to bypass your isp cache by using tor. It works! :)
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
I am glad to say a solution was find on this issue. Let this be the spirit of skunkers .. it will change the tradition of many techies in the country to the better
Ashok am waiting for your email so that I can test from my office & pick it up with the provider or we sort it within ourselves. I am sure we can get to the bottom of your case too ?
Great Evening.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com> wrote:
@Kahugu,
WOW Ctrl+F5 DID WORK!!, but I cant tell my clients to do that :( , most would have no idea! So its really an ISP issue, over to you AK
I think am going downstairs for a beer...
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Kahugu Isaac <ikahugu@gmail.com> wrote:
Had a similar issue some time back when using an Access Kenya link.
If you use firefox, you can override the cache by pressing
Ctrl-F5 or Ctrl-Shift-R
You might be forced to do this a number of times.
Hope this works.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks , I am checking it via different connections like 4 of them including one off-shore. Will get back to you. I am also raising this issue up with the provider. Ashok could you pls do the same if possible. Pls raise it with any provider based in Africa , I will try my best to get the right person involved.
Many Thanks.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Big Quark <thebigquark@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Sam
I have sent you a direct email with all the details. I cannot paste the URL here. Read through and get back to me offlist
Rgds
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:18 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info> > wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Sam Oduor<sam.oduor@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Had to paste this, ashok as you advice people that no-cache at all > is a bad > > practice you might need to communicate with yahoo, cnn & various > news site. > > The lecturer who said that must know that technology changes as > soon as > > first years finish campus :-)) ... see below from yahoo , I could > hv bored > > you with more from cnn & bbc but for the list be warned that not > all stuff > > lecturers & experts say are true .. internet is all about invention > it has > > not formula thats why a best practice is put in place. > > > > > It makes sense on news sites, web mail sites, banking sites etc. > where > you dont want to expire content between visits as it may have changed > or for security reasons (banking sites for instance...). > > If you are serving up half a dozen pages with static content, which > is what most sites do, you shouldnt be setting those flags. > > the problem with the caching at accesskenya is their caching does not > recognize when a page has changed intelligently, -- since the problem > is not present with other isps.. > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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