Hey Skunkers, 'm looking for a Gizmuduz...someone... who can give a talk about the new technology devices i.e. tablets, smartphones, Ipad etc from a security perspective. And may I add...(s)he should be able to practically walk the audience thro (or make them appreciate) the device's functionality/features from each family i.e. a smart phone & a tablet or Ipad as they deliver their presentation. Anyone? CM
I can manage iPad like Steve Jobs - but anything else, nada - Can't even tell that gingerbread from the other Android - puh huh! ./Ok3ch On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:01 AM, muskiv <kulebak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skunkers, 'm looking for a Gizmuduz...someone... who can give a talk about the new technology devices i.e. tablets, smartphones, Ipad etc from a security perspective. And may I add...(s)he should be able to practically walk the audience thro (or make them appreciate) the device's functionality/features from each family i.e. a smart phone & a tablet or Ipad as they deliver their presentation. Anyone? CM _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Okechukwu, He he he....NOTED. Anyone else....at least 2 gadgets.... :) On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I can manage iPad like Steve Jobs - but anything else, nada - Can't even tell that gingerbread from the other Android - puh huh!
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:01 AM, muskiv <kulebak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skunkers, 'm looking for a Gizmuduz...someone... who can give a talk about the new technology devices i.e. tablets, smartphones, Ipad etc from a security perspective. And may I add...(s)he should be able to practically walk the audience thro (or make them appreciate) the device's functionality/features from each family i.e. a smart phone & a tablet or Ipad as they deliver their presentation. Anyone? CM _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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@Muskiv, your concept is commercial and will see many benefits either short term or long term including the goals you seek, and therefore I'd suggest we set a value bar on this thread for anyone who will fulfill your requirements. Hope this will help. Bidding starts *@USD 2000 as a minimum day rate, with expenses paid*. If not , you should get a foreign expert whose ticket, hotel and day rates need to be paid for the presentation. IMHO, Kindly start the bidding as per the experience and knowledge needed. Rgds, El_Diablo.
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@Aki, I'm not so sure that there will be dollar value for me coz, as you may have noticed....I'm not inclined to any specific device...its any two....can be a smartphone and an I-pad or a tablet and a gingerbread ....anything... Me thinks the beneficiary would be the presenter....that is if the audience are keen to engage more. Within the larger frame of things....this talk would be the kind intended to keep the audience in the know while generating some "excitement" on on the developments in devices as well as security concerns on the other hand. Do we still need to bid :) On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Muskiv, your concept is commercial and will see many benefits either short term or long term including the goals you seek, and therefore I'd suggest we set a value bar on this thread for anyone who will fulfill your requirements. Hope this will help.
Bidding starts *@USD 2000 as a minimum day rate, with expenses paid*. If not , you should get a foreign expert whose ticket, hotel and day rates need to be paid for the presentation.
IMHO, Kindly start the bidding as per the experience and knowledge needed.
Rgds,
El_Diablo.
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On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:39 PM, muskiv <kulebak@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki,
I'm not so sure that there will be dollar value for me coz, as you may have noticed....I'm not inclined to any specific device...its any two....can be a smartphone and an I-pad or a tablet and a gingerbread ....anything...
Me thinks the beneficiary would be the presenter....that is if the audience are keen to engage more.
Within the larger frame of things....this talk would be the kind intended to keep the audience in the know while generating some "excitement" on on the developments in devices as well as security concerns on the other hand.
Do we still need to bid :)
@Muskiv, Let see, costs of tables = $500-$1000. You target market is to create awareness, so what do you get out of it? Sales of handhelds or consultancy services or both? You are out to make business just as anyone ( even if its an NGO for the fatally Dead, they will need to justify the annual reports on finances) , so that bidding amount I wrote is change.... Help yourself find a person whom you can pay for the skills to match the product/services returns. OR since the idea is that the presenter would be a beneficiary, then make the returns on a partnership. :-) -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
@Aki, Ur advice noted & appreciated....Thx. MK On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:00 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 12:39 PM, muskiv <kulebak@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki,
I'm not so sure that there will be dollar value for me coz, as you may have noticed....I'm not inclined to any specific device...its any two....can be a smartphone and an I-pad or a tablet and a gingerbread ....anything...
Me thinks the beneficiary would be the presenter....that is if the audience are keen to engage more.
Within the larger frame of things....this talk would be the kind intended to keep the audience in the know while generating some "excitement" on on the developments in devices as well as security concerns on the other hand.
Do we still need to bid :)
@Muskiv, Let see, costs of tables = $500-$1000. You target market is to create awareness, so what do you get out of it? Sales of handhelds or consultancy services or both? You are out to make business just as anyone ( even if its an NGO for the fatally Dead, they will need to justify the annual reports on finances) , so that bidding amount I wrote is change.... Help yourself find a person whom you can pay for the skills to match the product/services returns. OR since the idea is that the presenter would be a beneficiary, then make the returns on a partnership. :-)
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Cheers @Muskiv, and also appreciate that you put your idea and forward to skunks. Hopefully someone followed-up and you have been able to fill in the presenter position. I have no say on a forum but can only share what I see is a way to promote better environment as a member here. Thank you for your patience and understanding. :-) On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:20 PM, muskiv <kulebak@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki,
Ur advice noted & appreciated....Thx.
MK
me thinks its a free market economy. no pun intended... On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:36 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Cheers @Muskiv, and also appreciate that you put your idea and forward to skunks. Hopefully someone followed-up and you have been able to fill in the presenter position. I have no say on a forum but can only share what I see is a way to promote better environment as a member here. Thank you for your patience and understanding. :-)
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:20 PM, muskiv <kulebak@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki,
Ur advice noted & appreciated....Thx.
MK
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@Brainiac, me too thinks the same thing and respects it. The only asset technologists have worth selling is one's expertise and because it's not product based which does not allow you to bundle it as an inclusive package, I believe one is free to bid in such an economy for skills expertise. Maybe am outdated as I ran such schemes in a successful service centre in '94-'95 before handing over to intl vendors under contract from local agent, which would be replicated in other places... Whats your take on how to offer expertise as a billable service when you have no goods to offer that can provide a sale value? :-) Rgds. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
me thinks its a free market economy. no pun intended...
@aki I sense a flaw in your argument. I assume all the guys on the list are techies and skunkworks is a community of techies. Arguing that every request should be billed and or invoiced is like asking doctors to bill each other for advise when they meet in the cafeteria or at the coffee machine. Non-techies walk into tech shops probably owned by skunks *coughs* yast labs *coughs* and they pay for products and services. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:14 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brainiac, me too thinks the same thing and respects it. The only asset technologists have worth selling is one's expertise and because it's not product based which does not allow you to bundle it as an inclusive package, I believe one is free to bid in such an economy for skills expertise. Maybe am outdated as I ran such schemes in a successful service centre in '94-'95 before handing over to intl vendors under contract from local agent, which would be replicated in other places...
Whats your take on how to offer expertise as a billable service when you have no goods to offer that can provide a sale value? :-)
Rgds.
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:47 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
me thinks its a free market economy. no pun intended...
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki I sense a flaw in your argument. I assume all the guys on the list are techies and skunkworks is a community of techies. Arguing that every request should be billed and or invoiced is like asking doctors to bill each other for advise when they meet in the cafeteria or at the coffee machine. Non-techies walk into tech shops probably owned by skunks *coughs* yast labs *coughs* and they pay for products and services.
@Mark, imho..it is not flawed because you can judge whether a person is technical or not just by the query. In no manner whatsoever did I say that anyone should refrain or stop from tech discussions because these do not fall under the commerce tag. When queries go beyond discussions and have a commerce value, than those seeking to make an income from such should make something of their skills and those who have the answers should be on an NDA. In the example of @Muskiv, he/she had a commercial plan and that plan required a strong presenter not only with tech skills but also a gift of the gab to grab the attention of the audience. Surely, only a trained professional or someone very close can achieve that, and they don't come cheap. What rate would @Muskiv want to pay any skunk for such a role? Chai na Mandazi or even a starter flat rate of USD500, and then work out the modalities of future gains. me thots. :-) -- The EL_Diablo is a metaphor...
Sorry to be snarky and all, but @Aki it seems you have allocated yourself the role of deciding what consists of a commercial request and what does not. I dont know about others but I joined the list as a resource of sorts where a non-techie like myself can get solutions to technology queries I might have, which depending on my needs I might further engage a member of skunkworks to sort me out, for which I will gladly pay for. I am sure this is the same for others. At this rate we should have a disclaimer that any requests should be non-commercial. Cheers, V On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:45 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki I sense a flaw in your argument. I assume all the guys on the list are techies and skunkworks is a community of techies. Arguing that every request should be billed and or invoiced is like asking doctors to bill each other for advise when they meet in the cafeteria or at the coffee machine. Non-techies walk into tech shops probably owned by skunks *coughs* yast labs *coughs* and they pay for products and services.
@Mark, imho..it is not flawed because you can judge whether a person is technical or not just by the query. In no manner whatsoever did I say that anyone should refrain or stop from tech discussions because these do not fall under the commerce tag. When queries go beyond discussions and have a commerce value, than those seeking to make an income from such should make something of their skills and those who have the answers should be on an NDA. In the example of @Muskiv, he/she had a commercial plan and that plan required a strong presenter not only with tech skills but also a gift of the gab to grab the attention of the audience. Surely, only a trained professional or someone very close can achieve that, and they don't come cheap. What rate would @Muskiv want to pay any skunk for such a role? Chai na Mandazi or even a starter flat rate of USD500, and then work out the modalities of future gains.
me thots. :-)
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This list is free - as in freedom - but if anyone feels he wants to charge someone for answering his/her querries, let him/her take it offlist with the individual, otherwise, I personally will answer anything in my domain for free as in free lunch! Lets not gag people who need help, that is why we first exist as a group, otherwise, you'll free (and in freedom) to form your consultancies and charge as much USD as you please. ./Ok3ch On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Victor Ngeny <victormaritim@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry to be snarky and all, but @Aki it seems you have allocated yourself the role of deciding what consists of a commercial request and what does not. I dont know about others but I joined the list as a resource of sorts where a non-techie like myself can get solutions to technology queries I might have, which depending on my needs I might further engage a member of skunkworks to sort me out, for which I will gladly pay for. I am sure this is the same for others. At this rate we should have a disclaimer that any requests should be non-commercial. Cheers, V
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:45 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki I sense a flaw in your argument. I assume all the guys on the list are techies and skunkworks is a community of techies. Arguing that every request should be billed and or invoiced is like asking doctors to bill each other for advise when they meet in the cafeteria or at the coffee machine. Non-techies walk into tech shops probably owned by skunks *coughs* yast labs *coughs* and they pay for products and services.
@Mark, imho..it is not flawed because you can judge whether a person is technical or not just by the query. In no manner whatsoever did I say that anyone should refrain or stop from tech discussions because these do not fall under the commerce tag. When queries go beyond discussions and have a commerce value, than those seeking to make an income from such should make something of their skills and those who have the answers should be on an NDA. In the example of @Muskiv, he/she had a commercial plan and that plan required a strong presenter not only with tech skills but also a gift of the gab to grab the attention of the audience. Surely, only a trained professional or someone very close can achieve that, and they don't come cheap. What rate would @Muskiv want to pay any skunk for such a role? Chai na Mandazi or even a starter flat rate of USD500, and then work out the modalities of future gains.
me thots. :-)
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@Victor, @Okech, I actually have not stopped anyone from commenting or even providing their inputs but marked the thread as commercial, in my view. This is one matter we all may not agree upon because both views as quite valid. However, I'll avoid marking any threads so as not to discourage skunks as a tech resource. :-)
@Aki, am not saying you should avoid doing what you have done, because it is also enlightening people here on the real value of techies, but we should allow others who would like to do it free to do it - You should never stop voicing your opinion to appease afew, but just cautiously not to offend afew. ./Ok3ch On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:15 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Victor, @Okech, I actually have not stopped anyone from commenting or even providing their inputs but marked the thread as commercial, in my view. This is one matter we all may not agree upon because both views as quite valid. However, I'll avoid marking any threads so as not to discourage skunks as a tech resource. :-) _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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