Thanks y'all With this new info, I'm more enlightened and ready for round 2. I will contact the ISPs, tell them I need to link to KIXP as I would like traffic limited to the local "Internet", tell them I want XXX dedicated and reliable bandwidth and ask for a quote (with no freakin hidden stuff!). They always piss me off when they don't include taxes, kwani they plan to pay it on my behalf! Countries like U.S where VAT is about 7% and more goods are tax excempt may exlcude it but not Kenya, 16% ... 8~)   --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Re: [Skunkworks] Local Loop: Clarification Needed To: "wesley kirinya" <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> Cc: "Skunk Works" <skunkworks@my.co.ke>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 12:00 PM Hey Wesly, "Local Loop" is also what is referred to as the "Last Mile" in telecoms/internet terms and mainly came from the days when most telecoms would come from the local exchange - with a mile or so of wire to connect adjacent customers. In todays world of wired/wireless/optical media - the last mile would refer to the link that connects the customer to their local exchange/base station/access point/DSLAM/fiber node etc... As Michuki has rightly pointed out - most ISPs do not differentiate between a service that requires local-only connectivity or one that entails international connectivity - as you can tell from most of their service packages. However, infrastructure providers like KDN, Telkom Kenya, Jamii and others are very familiar with this type of setup and serve a lot of banks, NGOS and other who need branch connectivity - if you're targetting a local "Internet" audience then your best bet would be a link to the KIXP - from where you can peer with the rest of Kenya's Internet and have your content/applications accessible. Best regards, Brian On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:22 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote: Alright. So the lady was correct in her explanation. These network stuff can be a bit confusing 8~)   Thanks.   --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote: From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [Skunkworks] Local Loop: Clarification Needed To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Cc: "Skunk Works" <skunkworks@my.co.ke>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 8:51 PM Hi Wesley, Local loop = point to point circuit. Am not aware of any ISP that provides a LocalNET product/service. Your best option would be to buy a local-loop service to the KIXP and peer with everyone there. At the rate of $75 per MB on KDNs Fiber, it might be worth it if you are buying more than 1Mb of capacity. 1MB is the departure point where Peering becomes cheaper than buying Transit from any provider in Kenya. HTH, Michuki. wesley kirinya wrote:

Hey ppl,   I need a clarification on what a local loop is. I was at AK some days back and the lady dealing with this told me that a local loop doesnt really mean internet that's restricted to Kenya, but a connection between e.g. branches of a company/organization. Therefore if I wanted to buy bandwidth to host local content, which would be restricted to Kenyan traffic, then I would buy at the same rate as international bandwidth.   If that's the case then I think this hurts the budding local content industry.   So the point: Define local loop?   o_O?

 

       

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