Re: [Skunkworks] Fire at JKIA
Fire detectors may be there, but I think the big issue is preparedness of staff and emergency services. I personally know the nairobi fire chief and know for a fact that between nairobi fire dept. And JKIA, they should have more than 6 fire trucks and that there should be extinguishers in the terminals but the unrehearsed reaction was what caused the tragedy ---------- Sent via Nokia Email ------Original message------ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:01:52 PM GMT+0300 Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fire at JKIA Interesting. However, I still ask: Aren't there fire sensors at JKIA? If yes, did those sensors fail to activate the extinguisher system? On 8 August 2013 12:19, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com> wrote:
If they had this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3f5y6dR_A4
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+1. <2cents> Disaster preparedness costs time, money and other resources. When people prepare for emergencies, they start with those *most* likely to hit them, depending on local context of course. Airports naturally assume air-crash. And rail companies/stations cover for passenger-train derailment, and rarely chemical-spills. Hostage situation? Even more unlikely to happen, so no preparation for that. Could it be that airports always assume "plane-crash" scenarios, and that is exactly what they conduct annual disaster-preparedness drills for? Just wait for an (armed) hostage situation, and see confusion in 4D (Die Hard 2 anyone?). As for the portable extinguishers: - the FIRE ALARM directions posted all over advice people to exit the building ASAP. This directly conflicts with *stop, grab fire extinguisher, kill small desktop fire*. - in a pinch, a surprisingly large number of people will not know/remember how to operate the gadgets anyway. So when a fire breaks out, even a small one, everyone takes off and waits for the fire trucks, usually tens of minutes away. BAM!!! Small dustbin fire becomes a 7-floor monster. I still wonder about the piped extinguisher system though. No water? </2cents> Now for a *real*[?] disaster-preparedness expert to chip in. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Maxwell Sabwa <maxwellsabwa@yahoo.com>wrote:
Fire detectors may be there, but I think the big issue is preparedness of staff and emergency services. I personally know the nairobi fire chief and know for a fact that between nairobi fire dept. And JKIA, they should have more than 6 fire trucks and that there should be extinguishers in the terminals but the unrehearsed reaction was what caused the tragedy
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Interesting.
However, I still ask: Aren't there fire sensors at JKIA? If yes, did those sensors fail to activate the extinguisher system?
On 8 August 2013 12:19, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com> wrote:
If they had this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3f5y6dR_A4
any body interested in the product inbox me
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This seems kinda late but I agree to motobaridi's 2cents
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On Aug 8, 2013, at 1:43 PM, motobaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
+1. <2cents> Disaster preparedness costs time, money and other resources. When people prepare for emergencies, they start with those *most* likely to hit them, depending on local context of course. Airports naturally assume air-crash. And rail companies/stations cover for passenger-train derailment, and rarely chemical-spills. Hostage situation? Even more unlikely to happen, so no preparation for that. Could it be that airports always assume "plane-crash" scenarios, and that is exactly what they conduct annual disaster-preparedness drills for? Just wait for an (armed) hostage situation, and see confusion in 4D (Die Hard 2 anyone?).
As for the portable extinguishers: - the FIRE ALARM directions posted all over advice people to exit the building ASAP. This directly conflicts with *stop, grab fire extinguisher, kill small desktop fire*. - in a pinch, a surprisingly large number of people will not know/remember how to operate the gadgets anyway. So when a fire breaks out, even a small one, everyone takes off and waits for the fire trucks, usually tens of minutes away. BAM!!! Small dustbin fire becomes a 7-floor monster.
I still wonder about the piped extinguisher system though. No water?
</2cents>
Now for a *real*<35C.png> disaster-preparedness expert to chip in.
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Maxwell Sabwa <maxwellsabwa@yahoo.com> wrote: Fire detectors may be there, but I think the big issue is preparedness of staff and emergency services. I personally know the nairobi fire chief and know for a fact that between nairobi fire dept. And JKIA, they should have more than 6 fire trucks and that there should be extinguishers in the terminals but the unrehearsed reaction was what caused the tragedy
---------- Sent via Nokia Email
------Original message------ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:01:52 PM GMT+0300 Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fire at JKIA
Interesting.
However, I still ask: Aren't there fire sensors at JKIA? If yes, did those sensors fail to activate the extinguisher system?
On 8 August 2013 12:19, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com> wrote:
If they had this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3f5y6dR_A4
any body interested in the product inbox me
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