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The Nation on Page 40 has a very interesting KPI for a webmaster/administrator. No. 5 Keeping records of expiry dates of Software: Mdaemon E-Mail Server ... LOL No. 9 .... Mdaemon server is running (emails are going in and out normally) Surely you don't have to include this in a JD not unless there's a process failure, what in the world are they doing with M-daemon? Who uses nowadays? A linux-based exim or postfix can solve this. If any skunk takes up this job you know what to do ;-) Kiania -- [Asentric Consulting Ltd] If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no matter what his birth .... -Richest Man in Babylon
Hey @David, am about to post some tough realities and so an apology in advance if it offends anyone : - Though I've never used Mdaemon, what is wrong with using it? - Postfix and the rest. We all know they are there, have used them. I can send you 10s of links of companies on the net who have developed , yes the correct word is developed, mail server solutions on these. These solutions are very simple and as easy to use as Mdaemon, I assume. However, though the code libraries are open to editing and customizing, has any kenyan done one and produced one? Where is this product and how much does it cost? After all, I just discovered that code, template re-use with some little editing and labelling it as development/coding is a full time hobby/commercial take..... ( am trying so hard not to be cross, where did originality go? I have seen many occasions of govt sites being criticised but no one ever told them they all they had to do was download free.rar files or goto java.com, as they themselves do and eg and make it look or feel better ). - Exchange and Zimbra types. Easy installations and available too. Product selection category : - Easy of use - Ease of installation - Documentation - Support - Bugs releases Given the options, what would you purchase as a commercial and professional solution to your needs? Rgds. :-) On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:13 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
The Nation on Page 40 has a very interesting KPI for a webmaster/administrator. No. 5 Keeping records of expiry dates of Software: Mdaemon E-Mail Server ... LOL
No. 9 .... Mdaemon server is running (emails are going in and out normally)
Surely you don't have to include this in a JD not unless there's a process failure, what in the world are they doing with M-daemon? Who uses nowadays? A linux-based exim or postfix can solve this. If any skunk takes up this job you know what to do ;-)
I'm also wondering what's wrong with mdaemon. Used it for years and it's been nothing but stable. I also don't see what's odd about checking if mails are going in and out as part of the admin's responsibilities. Wouldn't the same apply whatever mail server was in use? On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:39 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey @David, am about to post some tough realities and so an apology in advance if it offends anyone :
- Though I've never used Mdaemon, what is wrong with using it?
- Postfix and the rest. We all know they are there, have used them. I can send you 10s of links of companies on the net who have developed , yes the correct word is developed, mail server solutions on these. These solutions are very simple and as easy to use as Mdaemon, I assume. However, though the code libraries are open to editing and customizing, has any kenyan done one and produced one? Where is this product and how much does it cost? After all, I just discovered that code, template re-use with some little editing and labelling it as development/coding is a full time hobby/commercial take..... ( am trying so hard not to be cross, where did originality go? I have seen many occasions of govt sites being criticised but no one ever told them they all they had to do was download free.rar files or goto java.com, as they themselves do and eg and make it look or feel better ).
- Exchange and Zimbra types. Easy installations and available too.
Product selection category :
- Easy of use - Ease of installation - Documentation - Support - Bugs releases
Given the options, what would you purchase as a commercial and professional solution to your needs?
Rgds. :-)
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:13 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
The Nation on Page 40 has a very interesting KPI for a webmaster/administrator. No. 5 Keeping records of expiry dates of Software: Mdaemon E-Mail Server ... LOL
No. 9 .... Mdaemon server is running (emails are going in and out normally)
Surely you don't have to include this in a JD not unless there's a process failure, what in the world are they doing with M-daemon? Who uses nowadays? A linux-based exim or postfix can solve this. If any skunk takes up this job you know what to do ;-)
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*Given the options, what would you purchase as a commercial and professional solution to your needs?* Zimbra -- Josiah Mugambi Samuel Goldwyn<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_goldwyn.html> - "I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong." On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm also wondering what's wrong with mdaemon. Used it for years and it's been nothing but stable.
I also don't see what's odd about checking if mails are going in and out as part of the admin's responsibilities. Wouldn't the same apply whatever mail server was in use?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:39 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey @David, am about to post some tough realities and so an apology in advance if it offends anyone :
- Though I've never used Mdaemon, what is wrong with using it?
- Postfix and the rest. We all know they are there, have used them. I can send you 10s of links of companies on the net who have developed , yes the correct word is developed, mail server solutions on these. These solutions are very simple and as easy to use as Mdaemon, I assume. However, though the code libraries are open to editing and customizing, has any kenyan done one and produced one? Where is this product and how much does it cost? After all, I just discovered that code, template re-use with some little editing and labelling it as development/coding is a full time hobby/commercial take..... ( am trying so hard not to be cross, where did originality go? I have seen many occasions of govt sites being criticised but no one ever told them they all they had to do was download free.rar files or goto java.com, as they themselves do and eg and make it look or feel better ).
- Exchange and Zimbra types. Easy installations and available too.
Product selection category :
- Easy of use - Ease of installation - Documentation - Support - Bugs releases
Given the options, what would you purchase as a commercial and professional solution to your needs?
Rgds. :-)
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:13 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
The Nation on Page 40 has a very interesting KPI for a webmaster/administrator. No. 5 Keeping records of expiry dates of Software: Mdaemon E-Mail Server ... LOL
No. 9 .... Mdaemon server is running (emails are going in and out normally)
Surely you don't have to include this in a JD not unless there's a process failure, what in the world are they doing with M-daemon? Who uses nowadays? A linux-based exim or postfix can solve this. If any skunk takes up this job you know what to do ;-)
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Given the options, what would you purchase as a commercial and professional solution to your needs? Zimbra and Postfix Mdaemon???? Never. -- -- Gichuki John Ndirangu, C.E.H , C.P.T.P, O.S.C.P I.T Security Analyst and Penetration Tester infosigmer@inbox.com {FORUM}http://lists.my.co.ke/pipermail/security/ http://nspkenya.blogspot.com/ http://chuksjonia.blogspot.com/
There is also a mix up of services here. Postfix will not do POP/IMAP since its only an MTA. Zimbra actually has Postfix as the MTA! Most deployment of mdaemon are possibly there as there is, or is so believed that Linux servers are more difficult to install and support whereas exchange is probably more expensive for the SME market etc. Zimbra would be the most appropriate alternative, the open source version which is good enough would mostly beat mdaemon hands down. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
Given the options, what would you purchase as a commercial and professional solution to your needs?
Zimbra and Postfix
Mdaemon???? Never.
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We could also throw in Google Apps into the mix... -- Josiah Mugambi Joan Crawford<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joan_crawford.html> - "I, Joan Crawford, I believe in the dollar. Everything I earn, I spend."
Hehehe...this is funny. So far the issues raised have not been able to downplay MDaemon yet. What is wrong with it? Zimbra and Exchange are in a class of its own.
no one as yet has given an informed argument as to exactly how mdaemon fails. On 10/14/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hehehe...this is funny. So far the issues raised have not been able to downplay MDaemon yet. What is wrong with it? Zimbra and Exchange are in a class of its own.
Mdaemon does serve some purpose in the market its designed for (SME) but has it kept up with technology even for those SME eg ability to share contacts, calendars, and documents or support for mobile email eg blackberry support/push email. Have a look at what, lets say Proffesion Zimbra would offer <http://www.zimbra.com/products/product_editions.html> and you will see what could be lacking in Mdaemon. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:40 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hehehe...this is funny. So far the issues raised have not been able to downplay MDaemon yet. What is wrong with it? Zimbra and Exchange are in a class of its own.
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:40 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hehehe...this is funny. So far the issues raised have not been able to downplay MDaemon yet. What is wrong with it? Zimbra and Exchange are in a class of its own.
@Aki, There is nothing wrong with MDaemon at all. You will not find any arguments against it, EXCEPT for it not being Free (though lately there is a free 5-user version). -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:40 PM, aki < aki275@googlemail.com > wrote: Hehehe...this is funny. So far the issues raised have not been able to downplay MDaemon yet. What is wrong with it? Zimbra and Exchange are in a class of its own. @Aki, There is nothing wrong with MDaemon at all. You will not find any arguments against it, EXCEPT for it not being Free (though lately there is a free 5-user version). -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube I have also never found anything wrong with mdaemon... and i use the word "never" very loosly SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
Quote aki " Though I've never used Mdaemon, what is wrong with using it?"
All these guyz who are in love in MDaemon...question to you is - at these installations was/is MDaemon purchased or were/are cracked version(s) being used? Suppose there were no cracked versions, would you still push for MDaemon or opt for highly and freely available MTA's like postfix or Zimbra for that sake??? Alex Nderitu wrote:
There is also a mix up of services here. Postfix will not do POP/IMAP since its only an MTA @Alex Nderitu Open IMAP/POP servers are numerous and freely available...lets not forget that.
Personally I'd go for open source MTA's coz: i, I don't need to spend any cash at their initial purchase, ii, Wont have to pay again after some time to receive updates or even upgrades, iii, Messing up with config.s (sometimes for days) trying to bring up an opensource MTA gives some sense of satisfaction and that 'weird' smile when all works - basically gives some ownership unlike MDaemon which might equal to "next...next...finish" kind of setup and installation plus the limits that most of these wind[0]ws systems bring in where remote management is concerned.I know most around would mention that there are equal tools for doing this in wind[0]ws 8-) but I don't just feel them! and lastly from this iv,Ease of management - especially remotely! My thoughts, Chris_w. dabnix@gmail.com On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:40 PM, aki < aki275@googlemail.com > wrote:
Hehehe...this is funny. So far the issues raised have not been able to downplay MDaemon yet. What is wrong with it? Zimbra and Exchange are in a class of its own.
@Aki,
There is nothing wrong with MDaemon at all. You will not find any arguments against it, EXCEPT for it not being Free (though lately there is a free 5-user version).
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
I have also never found anything wrong with mdaemon... and i use the word "never" very loosly
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Chris W. -
David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd -
Gichuki John Chuksjonia -
Josiah Mugambi -
Odhiambo Washington -
Rad! -
Steve Obbayi