Something about wireless
Hey geeks, I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done? Curious me.
Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless Hey geeks, I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done? Curious me.
Yes Tony, Habari ya siku mob? I think you haven't understood my question. There is no router but the connection exists. How is that? Now that is my question On 8 November 2011 14:30, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM *To:* Skunkworks forum *Subject:* [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Hey geeks,****
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I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x****
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What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done?****
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Curious me.****
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The 169.254.x.x is a local-link address that is assigned to an interface when no IP address becomes available more here<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address>, hence i am not sure the iPad and the Laptop are both using the Router. R D On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
Yes Tony,
Habari ya siku mob? I think you haven't understood my question. There is no router but the connection exists. How is that? Now that is my question
On 8 November 2011 14:30, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM *To:* Skunkworks forum *Subject:* [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Hey geeks,****
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I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x****
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What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done?****
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Curious me.****
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Simo ..i think the wireless devices are in close proximity and that they can discover each other using the Same SSID and same channel number ..my thought coz normally a special purpose GW is required in most cases for bridging kitu kama io On 11/8/11, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Tony,
Habari ya siku mob? I think you haven't understood my question. There is no router but the connection exists. How is that? Now that is my question
On 8 November 2011 14:30, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM *To:* Skunkworks forum *Subject:* [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Hey geeks,****
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I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x****
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What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done?****
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Curious me.****
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Whichever device is acting as the accesspoint for your hotspot must be doing the routing. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:35 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless Yes Tony, Habari ya siku mob? I think you haven't understood my question. There is no router but the connection exists. How is that? Now that is my question On 8 November 2011 14:30, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote: Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless Hey geeks, I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done? Curious me. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> &t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
OK. Let me simplify. I have a laptop running Windows XP. I have created an ad-hoc wireless network. The iPad has detected the network and automatically been assigned that IP address. So we can say that we have two wireless interfaces here that are 'seeing' each other - the iPad's and the laptop's. Now, it happens that these two interfaces which are seeing each other are on different subnets. How then are they 'seeing' each other? @Wash About internet access, nimetumia some workaround - installed a proxy server on the XP laptop and defined a static route to allow the iPad to access the proxy IP. But hata hivo, before installing the proxy and defining the static route, the two devices were still 'seeing' each other. That's the mystery that's boggling my mind. Me On 8 November 2011 15:09, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
Whichever device is acting as the accesspoint for your hotspot must be doing the routing.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:35 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Yes Tony,****
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Habari ya siku mob? I think you haven't understood my question. There is no router but the connection exists. How is that? Now that is my question* ***
On 8 November 2011 14:30, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:****
Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM *To:* Skunkworks forum *Subject:* [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Hey geeks,****
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I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x****
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What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done?****
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Curious me.****
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In this case your accesspoint is the laptop. If you do route print on the laptop you will see it has both this subnets on its routing table and is therefore able to see both networks. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:23 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless OK. Let me simplify. I have a laptop running Windows XP. I have created an ad-hoc wireless network. The iPad has detected the network and automatically been assigned that IP address. So we can say that we have two wireless interfaces here that are 'seeing' each other - the iPad's and the laptop's. Now, it happens that these two interfaces which are seeing each other are on different subnets. How then are they 'seeing' each other? @Wash About internet access, nimetumia some workaround - installed a proxy server on the XP laptop and defined a static route to allow the iPad to access the proxy IP. But hata hivo, before installing the proxy and defining the static route, the two devices were still 'seeing' each other. That's the mystery that's boggling my mind. Me On 8 November 2011 15:09, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote: Whichever device is acting as the accesspoint for your hotspot must be doing the routing. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:35 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless Yes Tony, Habari ya siku mob? I think you haven't understood my question. There is no router but the connection exists. How is that? Now that is my question On 8 November 2011 14 <tel:2011%2014> :30, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote: Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless Hey geeks, I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done? Curious me. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> &t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> &t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Tony No.. it doesn't. Like I said, I had to add a static route. On 8 November 2011 15:36, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
In this case your accesspoint is the laptop. If you do route print on the laptop you will see it has both this subnets on its routing table and is therefore able to see both networks. ****
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OK. Let me simplify.****
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I have a laptop running Windows XP. I have created an ad-hoc wireless network. The iPad has detected the network and automatically been assigned that IP address. So we can say that we have two wireless interfaces here that are 'seeing' each other - the iPad's and the laptop's. Now, it happens that these two interfaces which are seeing each other are on different subnets. How then are they 'seeing' each other? ****
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@Wash About internet access, nimetumia some workaround - installed a proxy server on the XP laptop and defined a static route to allow the iPad to access the proxy IP. But hata hivo, before installing the proxy and defining the static route, the two devices were still 'seeing' each other. That's the mystery that's boggling my mind.****
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On 8 November 2011 15:09, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:****
Whichever device is acting as the accesspoint for your hotspot must be doing the routing.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:35 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Yes Tony,****
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Habari ya siku mob? I think you haven't understood my question. There is no router but the connection exists. How is that? Now that is my question* ***
On 8 November 2011 14:30, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:****
Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM *To:* Skunkworks forum *Subject:* [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Hey geeks,****
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I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x****
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What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done?****
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Curious me.****
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Can you paste the output for route print of your winxp laptop? From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:49 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless @Tony No.. it doesn't. Like I said, I had to add a static route. On 8 November 2011 15:36, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote: In this case your accesspoint is the laptop. If you do route print on the laptop you will see it has both this subnets on its routing table and is therefore able to see both networks. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:23 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless OK. Let me simplify. I have a laptop running Windows XP. I have created an ad-hoc wireless network. The iPad has detected the network and automatically been assigned that IP address. So we can say that we have two wireless interfaces here that are 'seeing' each other - the iPad's and the laptop's. Now, it happens that these two interfaces which are seeing each other are on different subnets. How then are they 'seeing' each other? @Wash About internet access, nimetumia some workaround - installed a proxy server on the XP laptop and defined a static route to allow the iPad to access the proxy IP. But hata hivo, before installing the proxy and defining the static route, the two devices were still 'seeing' each other. That's the mystery that's boggling my mind. Me On 8 November 2011 15 <tel:2011%2015> :09, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote: Whichever device is acting as the accesspoint for your hotspot must be doing the routing. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:35 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless Yes Tony, Habari ya siku mob? I think you haven't understood my question. There is no router but the connection exists. How is that? Now that is my question On 8 November 2011 14 <tel:2011%2014> :30, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote: Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless Hey geeks, I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done? Curious me. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> &t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> &t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24 <http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94> &t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Wee Tony hunisaidii On 8 November 2011 16:25, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
Can you paste the output for route print of your winxp laptop?****
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@Tony No.. it doesn't. Like I said, I had to add a static route. ****
On 8 November 2011 15:36, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:****
In this case your accesspoint is the laptop. If you do route print on the laptop you will see it has both this subnets on its routing table and is therefore able to see both networks. ****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:23 PM****
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OK. Let me simplify.****
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I have a laptop running Windows XP. I have created an ad-hoc wireless network. The iPad has detected the network and automatically been assigned that IP address. So we can say that we have two wireless interfaces here that are 'seeing' each other - the iPad's and the laptop's. Now, it happens that these two interfaces which are seeing each other are on different subnets. How then are they 'seeing' each other? ****
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@Wash About internet access, nimetumia some workaround - installed a proxy server on the XP laptop and defined a static route to allow the iPad to access the proxy IP. But hata hivo, before installing the proxy and defining the static route, the two devices were still 'seeing' each other. That's the mystery that's boggling my mind.****
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Me****
On 8 November 2011 15:09, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:****
Whichever device is acting as the accesspoint for your hotspot must be doing the routing.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:35 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Yes Tony,****
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Habari ya siku mob? I think you haven't understood my question. There is no router but the connection exists. How is that? Now that is my question* ***
On 8 November 2011 14:30, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:****
Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM *To:* Skunkworks forum *Subject:* [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Hey geeks,****
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I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x****
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What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done?****
****
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Curious me.****
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Wewe hutaki kusaidiwa.. u r adamant that the laptop is not acting as a router. I need that output to show you what is making it possible for those 2 subnets to talk to each other. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 4:29 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless Wee Tony hunisaidii On 8 November 2011 16:25, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote: Can you paste the output for route print of your winxp laptop? From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:49 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless @Tony No.. it doesn't. Like I said, I had to add a static route. On 8 November 2011 15 <tel:2011%2015> :36, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote: In this case your accesspoint is the laptop. If you do route print on the laptop you will see it has both this subnets on its routing table and is therefore able to see both networks. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:23 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless OK. Let me simplify. I have a laptop running Windows XP. I have created an ad-hoc wireless network. The iPad has detected the network and automatically been assigned that IP address. So we can say that we have two wireless interfaces here that are 'seeing' each other - the iPad's and the laptop's. Now, it happens that these two interfaces which are seeing each other are on different subnets. How then are they 'seeing' each other? @Wash About internet access, nimetumia some workaround - installed a proxy server on the XP laptop and defined a static route to allow the iPad to access the proxy IP. But hata hivo, before installing the proxy and defining the static route, the two devices were still 'seeing' each other. That's the mystery that's boggling my mind. Me On 8 November 2011 15 <tel:2011%2015> :09, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote: Whichever device is acting as the accesspoint for your hotspot must be doing the routing. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:35 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless Yes Tony, Habari ya siku mob? I think you haven't understood my question. There is no router but the connection exists. How is that? Now that is my question On 8 November 2011 14 <tel:2011%2014> :30, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote: Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Simon Mbuthia Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless Hey geeks, I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done? 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is this something to do APIPA??? that is On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
Wewe hutaki kusaidiwa…… u r adamant that the laptop is not acting as a router. I need that output to show you what is making it possible for those 2 subnets to talk to each other.****
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Wee Tony hunisaidii****
On 8 November 2011 16:25, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:****
Can you paste the output for route print of your winxp laptop?****
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@Tony No.. it doesn't. Like I said, I had to add a static route. ****
On 8 November 2011 15:36, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:****
In this case your accesspoint is the laptop. If you do route print on the laptop you will see it has both this subnets on its routing table and is therefore able to see both networks. ****
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OK. Let me simplify.****
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I have a laptop running Windows XP. I have created an ad-hoc wireless network. The iPad has detected the network and automatically been assigned that IP address. So we can say that we have two wireless interfaces here that are 'seeing' each other - the iPad's and the laptop's. Now, it happens that these two interfaces which are seeing each other are on different subnets. How then are they 'seeing' each other? ****
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@Wash About internet access, nimetumia some workaround - installed a proxy server on the XP laptop and defined a static route to allow the iPad to access the proxy IP. But hata hivo, before installing the proxy and defining the static route, the two devices were still 'seeing' each other. That's the mystery that's boggling my mind.****
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On 8 November 2011 15:09, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:****
Whichever device is acting as the accesspoint for your hotspot must be doing the routing.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:35 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Habari ya siku mob? I think you haven't understood my question. There is no router but the connection exists. How is that? Now that is my question* ***
On 8 November 2011 14:30, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:****
Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM *To:* Skunkworks forum *Subject:* [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Hey geeks,****
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I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x****
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What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done?****
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Curious me.****
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@Simon. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_configuration_networking and the use of 169.254.X.X ......
Tiny question - Is there somewhere on the Ipad you have put the IP of the proxy(windows)? I have been in a network where there were no IPs on the machines. Just proxy settings for windows (which chrome also uses) & on firefox browser, and browsing was OK. The only thing is that you can't do much beyond browse unless a particular application/software uses the proxy as well to connect to the internet. Essentially if you are using a proxy you don't have to be in the same network. On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
OK. Let me simplify.
I have a laptop running Windows XP. I have created an ad-hoc wireless network. The iPad has detected the network and automatically been assigned that IP address. So we can say that we have two wireless interfaces here that are 'seeing' each other - the iPad's and the laptop's. Now, it happens that these two interfaces which are seeing each other are on different subnets. How then are they 'seeing' each other?
@Wash About internet access, nimetumia some workaround - installed a proxy server on the XP laptop and defined a static route to allow the iPad to access the proxy IP. But hata hivo, before installing the proxy and defining the static route, the two devices were still 'seeing' each other. That's the mystery that's boggling my mind.
Me
On 8 November 2011 15:09, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
Whichever device is acting as the accesspoint for your hotspot must be doing the routing.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:35 PM *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Yes Tony,****
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Habari ya siku mob? I think you haven't understood my question. There is no router but the connection exists. How is that? Now that is my question ****
On 8 November 2011 14:30, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:****
Would only work if there is a router on the network that has both routes in its routing table. Key word here is ROUTER.****
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*From:* skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] *On Behalf Of *Simon Mbuthia *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:27 PM *To:* Skunkworks forum *Subject:* [Skunkworks] Something about wireless****
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Hey geeks,****
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I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x****
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What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done?****
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Curious me.****
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I have always noted the same, only that I never ask questions as long as the setup delivers the promise to the client. Peter On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Brian L <lusiola@gmail.com> wrote:
Tiny question - Is there somewhere on the Ipad you have put the IP of the proxy(windows)? I have been in a network where there were no IPs on the machines. Just proxy settings for windows (which chrome also uses) & on firefox browser, and browsing was OK. The only thing is that you can't do much beyond browse unless a particular application/software uses the proxy as well to connect to the internet. Essentially if you are using a proxy you don't have to be in the same network.
Thanks Aki. @Brian Yes I have provided the proxy server address + port. That's why I had to add a static route on the laptop so the iPad could connect to the proxy server (running on the laptop) because Safari on the iPad could not contact the proxy. On 9 November 2011 11:02, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have always noted the same, only that I never ask questions as long as the setup delivers the promise to the client.
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On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Brian L <lusiola@gmail.com> wrote:
Tiny question - Is there somewhere on the Ipad you have put the IP of the proxy(windows)? I have been in a network where there were no IPs on the machines. Just proxy settings for windows (which chrome also uses) & on firefox browser, and browsing was OK. The only thing is that you can't do much beyond browse unless a particular application/software uses the proxy as well to connect to the internet. Essentially if you are using a proxy you don't have to be in the same network.
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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 14:26, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey geeks,
I have a question. There is something that I do not understand about how wireless technology works. I have an iPad and a laptop with me. I have setup an ad hoc wireless network/hotspot so that I can access the web using the iPad. The wireless adapter's IP address is 192.168.0.1, while the one for the iPad is 169.254.x.x
What I seek to understand is how these two devices are able to communicate while being in different subnets - that is, how is the routing between 192.168.0.0/24 and 169.254.0.0/16 done?
You already have the full answer about why the iPad is getting 169.254.0.0/16 range. Basically, it is apparent that you have not setup a DHCP server to dish out IP addresses to the devices associating with the Wireless AP. I find it quite strange that the iPad is accessing the web with that IP. Perhaps it's relying on the 3G connection (if it has), and not the WiFi link. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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