CERN NEWS : Are we there yet on the search for the Higgs boson ?
Video on youtube [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9VyT5zevc ] There shall be a special seminar broadcast on the 4th of July, 2012 at [ http://webcast.web.cern.ch ] The Higgs' boson explained, Comic strip: [ http://vimeo.com/41038445 ] Martin.
There was excitement about a month or two back when they thought they had gotten the boson, but i think it wasn't confirmed, the pattern has to be observed severally and consistently for it not to be a fluke....but they're almost there.. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Video on youtube [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9VyT5zevc ]
There shall be a special seminar broadcast on the 4th of July, 2012 at [ http://webcast.web.cern.ch ]
The Higgs' boson explained, Comic strip: [ http://vimeo.com/41038445 ]
Martin.
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That is true, excitement has always been up since the collisions went fully operational in 2008. The more seasoned Physicists are more skeptical of the initial results, until enough outcomes have been repeated. They refer the measurements as "sigma levels". I will not pretend to know what it means so I quote: " A sigma level *IS NOT* only a measure of " **how likely we are right** " but **that there is an extremely low chance that random luck caused this result AND there is also an unknown and hard to quantify possibility that our theory is wrong and some other mechanism caused this result**." Normally, let us say it takes about 10k - 15,000 repetitions from an experiment to conclude that what was observed agrees with theory and therefore qualifies as a formal Scientific discovery. For the LHC they take the number up to several billions to completely wipe out the element of doubt. In short, they want to make sure that the event is more likely to happen than someone retiring from employment or even dying from old age! :) Martin. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
There was excitement about a month or two back when they thought they had gotten the boson, but i think it wasn't confirmed, the pattern has to be observed severally and consistently for it not to be a fluke....but they're almost there..
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Video on youtube [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9VyT5zevc ]
There shall be a special seminar broadcast on the 4th of July, 2012 at [ http://webcast.web.cern.ch ]
The Higgs' boson explained, Comic strip: [ http://vimeo.com/41038445 ]
Martin.
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Such are the vagaries of high energy particle physics. Aside from this, there has been a big worry which is always downplayed: what if during the course of these experiments the physicists unwittingly create a Big Bang situation?....the universe as we know it goes up in a puff! On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
That is true, excitement has always been up since the collisions went fully operational in 2008. The more seasoned Physicists are more skeptical of the initial results, until enough outcomes have been repeated. They refer the measurements as "sigma levels". I will not pretend to know what it means so I quote: " A sigma level *IS NOT* only a measure of " **how likely we are right** " but **that there is an extremely low chance that random luck caused this result AND there is also an unknown and hard to quantify possibility that our theory is wrong and some other mechanism caused this result**."
Normally, let us say it takes about 10k - 15,000 repetitions from an experiment to conclude that what was observed agrees with theory and therefore qualifies as a formal Scientific discovery. For the LHC they take the number up to several billions to completely wipe out the element of doubt. In short, they want to make sure that the event is more likely to happen than someone retiring from employment or even dying from old age! :)
Martin.
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
There was excitement about a month or two back when they thought they had gotten the boson, but i think it wasn't confirmed, the pattern has to be observed severally and consistently for it not to be a fluke....but they're almost there..
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com
wrote:
Video on youtube [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9VyT5zevc ]
There shall be a special seminar broadcast on the 4th of July, 2012 at [ http://webcast.web.cern.ch ]
The Higgs' boson explained, Comic strip: [ http://vimeo.com/41038445 ]
Martin.
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The chances of that happening are so low because: 1) The experiments simulates moments after the big-bang and not before, 2) The equipment utilized have been tested for safety over and over, 3) The decays after collisions last for fractions of a second, actually billionths of a second. This is not enough time to cause any significant damage even though the temperatures inside the collider can reach up to millions of times hotter than the core of the Sun or any other star. Again this only affects a very tiny amount of space, invisible to bare eyes, 4) The experiments are done several hundreds of feet below ground-level, the spray of particles produced get absorbed by rocks and never really leave CERN, 5) The reactions produced are natural and other phenomena like the generation of heat energy by our Sun has similar mechanism and outcomes, yet we remain unharmed. The possibility of a big-bang type of situation is not out of the realm of what can happen though. Scientist have always known that the Universe is continually expanding at an ever increasing rate (which interestingly determines the progression of time<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time#The_cosmological_arrow_of_time>). For that reason, it is probable that the cosmos will either tear itself apart and end up in a very cold and frozen state since everything will be isolated from each other (time will stop??). Something else that can happen is the Universe collapsing, if for instance dark energy outweighs dark matter which could send us in the pre-big bang state. When this will happen has never been estimated correctly. Martin. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
Such are the vagaries of high energy particle physics. Aside from this, there has been a big worry which is always downplayed: what if during the course of these experiments the physicists unwittingly create a Big Bang situation?....the universe as we know it goes up in a puff!
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
That is true, excitement has always been up since the collisions went fully operational in 2008. The more seasoned Physicists are more skeptical of the initial results, until enough outcomes have been repeated. They refer the measurements as "sigma levels". I will not pretend to know what it means so I quote: " A sigma level *IS NOT* only a measure of " **how likely we are right** " but **that there is an extremely low chance that random luck caused this result AND there is also an unknown and hard to quantify possibility that our theory is wrong and some other mechanism caused this result**."
Normally, let us say it takes about 10k - 15,000 repetitions from an experiment to conclude that what was observed agrees with theory and therefore qualifies as a formal Scientific discovery. For the LHC they take the number up to several billions to completely wipe out the element of doubt. In short, they want to make sure that the event is more likely to happen than someone retiring from employment or even dying from old age! :)
Martin.
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com
wrote:
There was excitement about a month or two back when they thought they had gotten the boson, but i think it wasn't confirmed, the pattern has to be observed severally and consistently for it not to be a fluke....but they're almost there..
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Martin Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Video on youtube [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9VyT5zevc ]
There shall be a special seminar broadcast on the 4th of July, 2012 at [ http://webcast.web.cern.ch ]
The Higgs' boson explained, Comic strip: [ http://vimeo.com/41038445 ]
Martin.
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Quite reassuring, I wouldn't really know whether this is true or just glib explanations from the scientists, but the Big bang thing has been mentioned by these same guys. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
The chances of that happening are so low because:
1) The experiments simulates moments after the big-bang and not before,
2) The equipment utilized have been tested for safety over and over,
3) The decays after collisions last for fractions of a second, actually billionths of a second. This is not enough time to cause any significant damage even though the temperatures inside the collider can reach up to millions of times hotter than the core of the Sun or any other star. Again this only affects a very tiny amount of space, invisible to bare eyes,
4) The experiments are done several hundreds of feet below ground-level, the spray of particles produced get absorbed by rocks and never really leave CERN,
5) The reactions produced are natural and other phenomena like the generation of heat energy by our Sun has similar mechanism and outcomes, yet we remain unharmed.
The possibility of a big-bang type of situation is not out of the realm of what can happen though. Scientist have always known that the Universe is continually expanding at an ever increasing rate (which interestingly determines the progression of time<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time#The_cosmological_arrow_of_time>). For that reason, it is probable that the cosmos will either tear itself apart and end up in a very cold and frozen state since everything will be isolated from each other (time will stop??).
Something else that can happen is the Universe collapsing, if for instance dark energy outweighs dark matter which could send us in the pre-big bang state. When this will happen has never been estimated correctly.
Martin.
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
Such are the vagaries of high energy particle physics. Aside from this, there has been a big worry which is always downplayed: what if during the course of these experiments the physicists unwittingly create a Big Bang situation?....the universe as we know it goes up in a puff!
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com
wrote:
That is true, excitement has always been up since the collisions went fully operational in 2008. The more seasoned Physicists are more skeptical of the initial results, until enough outcomes have been repeated. They refer the measurements as "sigma levels". I will not pretend to know what it means so I quote: " A sigma level *IS NOT* only a measure of " **how likely we are right** " but **that there is an extremely low chance that random luck caused this result AND there is also an unknown and hard to quantify possibility that our theory is wrong and some other mechanism caused this result**."
Normally, let us say it takes about 10k - 15,000 repetitions from an experiment to conclude that what was observed agrees with theory and therefore qualifies as a formal Scientific discovery. For the LHC they take the number up to several billions to completely wipe out the element of doubt. In short, they want to make sure that the event is more likely to happen than someone retiring from employment or even dying from old age! :)
Martin.
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi < kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
There was excitement about a month or two back when they thought they had gotten the boson, but i think it wasn't confirmed, the pattern has to be observed severally and consistently for it not to be a fluke....but they're almost there..
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Martin Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Video on youtube [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9VyT5zevc ]
There shall be a special seminar broadcast on the 4th of July, 2012 at [ http://webcast.web.cern.ch ]
The Higgs' boson explained, Comic strip: [ http://vimeo.com/41038445 ]
Martin.
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Rumours just in. Peter Higgs will be among five leading theoretical Physicists invited to the Wednesday conference at CERN [ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2167188/God-particle-Scientis... ]. The levels of certainty have risen to "Four sigma", chances are high that the BEH scalar particle is a formal discovery. Wonder what its exact mass is .......
From my time conversions, the event starts at 8:00 am East African time.
Martin. On 6/27/12, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Quite reassuring, I wouldn't really know whether this is true or just glib explanations from the scientists, but the Big bang thing has been mentioned by these same guys.
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
The chances of that happening are so low because:
1) The experiments simulates moments after the big-bang and not before,
2) The equipment utilized have been tested for safety over and over,
3) The decays after collisions last for fractions of a second, actually billionths of a second. This is not enough time to cause any significant damage even though the temperatures inside the collider can reach up to millions of times hotter than the core of the Sun or any other star. Again this only affects a very tiny amount of space, invisible to bare eyes,
4) The experiments are done several hundreds of feet below ground-level, the spray of particles produced get absorbed by rocks and never really leave CERN,
5) The reactions produced are natural and other phenomena like the generation of heat energy by our Sun has similar mechanism and outcomes, yet we remain unharmed.
The possibility of a big-bang type of situation is not out of the realm of what can happen though. Scientist have always known that the Universe is continually expanding at an ever increasing rate (which interestingly determines the progression of time<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time#The_cosmological_arrow_of_time>). For that reason, it is probable that the cosmos will either tear itself apart and end up in a very cold and frozen state since everything will be isolated from each other (time will stop??).
Something else that can happen is the Universe collapsing, if for instance dark energy outweighs dark matter which could send us in the pre-big bang state. When this will happen has never been estimated correctly.
Martin.
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
Such are the vagaries of high energy particle physics. Aside from this, there has been a big worry which is always downplayed: what if during the course of these experiments the physicists unwittingly create a Big Bang situation?....the universe as we know it goes up in a puff!
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com
wrote:
That is true, excitement has always been up since the collisions went fully operational in 2008. The more seasoned Physicists are more skeptical of the initial results, until enough outcomes have been repeated. They refer the measurements as "sigma levels". I will not pretend to know what it means so I quote: " A sigma level *IS NOT* only a measure of " **how likely we are right** " but **that there is an extremely low chance that random luck caused this result AND there is also an unknown and hard to quantify possibility that our theory is wrong and some other mechanism caused this result**."
Normally, let us say it takes about 10k - 15,000 repetitions from an experiment to conclude that what was observed agrees with theory and therefore qualifies as a formal Scientific discovery. For the LHC they take the number up to several billions to completely wipe out the element of doubt. In short, they want to make sure that the event is more likely to happen than someone retiring from employment or even dying from old age! :)
Martin.
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi < kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
There was excitement about a month or two back when they thought they had gotten the boson, but i think it wasn't confirmed, the pattern has to be observed severally and consistently for it not to be a fluke....but they're almost there..
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Martin Chiteri < martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Video on youtube [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9VyT5zevc ]
There shall be a special seminar broadcast on the 4th of July, 2012 at [ http://webcast.web.cern.ch ]
The Higgs' boson explained, Comic strip: [ http://vimeo.com/41038445 ]
Martin.
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My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all over the headlines - before the conference or seminar... They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to 'what they think' they may have found...
The next article/announcement of the higgs boson particle had been be on its discovery. I have a feeling that all this euphoria from CERN would be to justify funds for its 6 billion dollar experiment seeing that most EU govts have focused away to more pressing needs at home. ./bernard On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all over the headlines - before the conference or seminar...
They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to 'what they think' they may have found...
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@Stephen,
From what I understand, the data is kept highly confidential to prevent speculation before *a **thorough analysis* is done by those who **really** understand it. Strictly speaking, one experiment say the ATLAS hardly ever knows what the other, like the CMS is gathering until such a conference as the one coming up on Wednesday is convened. After that everyone else can have their party ... ;)
If you want some gossip though, the Fermilab released an official announcement about their search for the Higgs' earlier than CERN [ http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-2012070... ]. The results are here [ http://tevnphwg.fnal.gov/results/SM_Higgs_Winter_12/ ]. I won't blame you if you see plain old rivalry in the publications ...... @Bernard, justification(s) for the funds was done over twenty years ago to the U.K and E.U governments. When Tim Berners-Lee was building the Web in 1989 at CERN, the LHC was already in design and construction stages. If the boson is not found, the focus of their research will only change. There are more things besides the Higgs' being looked for by the facility. Martin. On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all over the headlines - before the conference or seminar...
They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to 'what they think' they may have found...
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I'll be damned if LHC doesn't find the God's particle and the EU are still pushing funds. Its a 6 billion dollar experiment for God's sake.. And even if thy don't find it, they'll still resort to "but its hypothetical anyway". Anyway, God's speed CERN! ./bernard On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
@Stephen,
From what I understand, the data is kept highly confidential to prevent speculation before *a **thorough analysis* is done by those who **really** understand it. Strictly speaking, one experiment say the ATLAS hardly ever knows what the other, like the CMS is gathering until such a conference as the one coming up on Wednesday is convened. After that everyone else can have their party ... ;)
If you want some gossip though, the Fermilab released an official announcement about their search for the Higgs' earlier than CERN [ http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-2012070... ]. The results are here [ http://tevnphwg.fnal.gov/results/SM_Higgs_Winter_12/ ]. I won't blame you if you see plain old rivalry in the publications ......
@Bernard, justification(s) for the funds was done over twenty years ago to the U.K and E.U governments. When Tim Berners-Lee was building the Web in 1989 at CERN, the LHC was already in design and construction stages. If the boson is not found, the focus of their research will only change. There are more things besides the Higgs' being looked for by the facility.
Martin.
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all over the headlines - before the conference or seminar...
They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to 'what they think' they may have found...
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We can only wait for tomorrow for the official announcement. ** *Videos* on the LHC and the Higgs boson search, quite informative [ http://www.stfc.ac.uk/38652.aspx ] ** *More sites:* BBC [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808 ] Cosmonline [ http://www.cosmonline.co.uk/blog/2012/07/01/closing-goddamn-it-jim-im-physic... ] Martin. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll be damned if LHC doesn't find the God's particle and the EU are still pushing funds. Its a 6 billion dollar experiment for God's sake.. And even if thy don't find it, they'll still resort to "but its hypothetical anyway". Anyway, God's speed CERN!
./bernard
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
@Stephen,
From what I understand, the data is kept highly confidential to prevent speculation before *a **thorough analysis* is done by those who **really** understand it. Strictly speaking, one experiment say the ATLAS hardly ever knows what the other, like the CMS is gathering until such a conference as the one coming up on Wednesday is convened. After that everyone else can have their party ... ;)
If you want some gossip though, the Fermilab released an official announcement about their search for the Higgs' earlier than CERN [ http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-2012070... ]. The results are here [ http://tevnphwg.fnal.gov/results/SM_Higgs_Winter_12/ ]. I won't blame you if you see plain old rivalry in the publications ......
@Bernard, justification(s) for the funds was done over twenty years ago to the U.K and E.U governments. When Tim Berners-Lee was building the Web in 1989 at CERN, the LHC was already in design and construction stages. If the boson is not found, the focus of their research will only change. There are more things besides the Higgs' being looked for by the facility.
Martin.
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all over the headlines - before the conference or seminar...
They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to 'what they think' they may have found...
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Fun spoiler :) http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100168877/something-like... http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/03/higgs-boson-video-leaks-cern Happy Higgsdependence day all the same!!! Martin. On 7/3/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
We can only wait for tomorrow for the official announcement.
** *Videos* on the LHC and the Higgs boson search, quite informative [ http://www.stfc.ac.uk/38652.aspx ]
** *More sites:* BBC [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808 ] Cosmonline [ http://www.cosmonline.co.uk/blog/2012/07/01/closing-goddamn-it-jim-im-physic... ]
Martin.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll be damned if LHC doesn't find the God's particle and the EU are still pushing funds. Its a 6 billion dollar experiment for God's sake.. And even if thy don't find it, they'll still resort to "but its hypothetical anyway". Anyway, God's speed CERN!
./bernard
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
@Stephen,
From what I understand, the data is kept highly confidential to prevent speculation before *a **thorough analysis* is done by those who **really** understand it. Strictly speaking, one experiment say the ATLAS hardly ever knows what the other, like the CMS is gathering until such a conference as the one coming up on Wednesday is convened. After that everyone else can have their party ... ;)
If you want some gossip though, the Fermilab released an official announcement about their search for the Higgs' earlier than CERN [ http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-2012070... ]. The results are here [ http://tevnphwg.fnal.gov/results/SM_Higgs_Winter_12/ ]. I won't blame you if you see plain old rivalry in the publications ......
@Bernard, justification(s) for the funds was done over twenty years ago to the U.K and E.U governments. When Tim Berners-Lee was building the Web in 1989 at CERN, the LHC was already in design and construction stages. If the boson is not found, the focus of their research will only change. There are more things besides the Higgs' being looked for by the facility.
Martin.
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all over the headlines - before the conference or seminar...
They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to 'what they think' they may have found...
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Event is just about to start, http://webcast.web.cern.ch/ On 7/4/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Fun spoiler :)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100168877/something-like...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/03/higgs-boson-video-leaks-cern
Happy Higgsdependence day all the same!!!
Martin.
On 7/3/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
We can only wait for tomorrow for the official announcement.
** *Videos* on the LHC and the Higgs boson search, quite informative [ http://www.stfc.ac.uk/38652.aspx ]
** *More sites:* BBC [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808 ] Cosmonline [ http://www.cosmonline.co.uk/blog/2012/07/01/closing-goddamn-it-jim-im-physic... ]
Martin.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll be damned if LHC doesn't find the God's particle and the EU are still pushing funds. Its a 6 billion dollar experiment for God's sake.. And even if thy don't find it, they'll still resort to "but its hypothetical anyway". Anyway, God's speed CERN!
./bernard
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
@Stephen,
From what I understand, the data is kept highly confidential to prevent speculation before *a **thorough analysis* is done by those who **really** understand it. Strictly speaking, one experiment say the ATLAS hardly ever knows what the other, like the CMS is gathering until such a conference as the one coming up on Wednesday is convened. After that everyone else can have their party ... ;)
If you want some gossip though, the Fermilab released an official announcement about their search for the Higgs' earlier than CERN [ http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-2012070... ]. The results are here [ http://tevnphwg.fnal.gov/results/SM_Higgs_Winter_12/ ]. I won't blame you if you see plain old rivalry in the publications ......
@Bernard, justification(s) for the funds was done over twenty years ago to the U.K and E.U governments. When Tim Berners-Lee was building the Web in 1989 at CERN, the LHC was already in design and construction stages. If the boson is not found, the focus of their research will only change. There are more things besides the Higgs' being looked for by the facility.
Martin.
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all over the headlines - before the conference or seminar...
They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to 'what they think' they may have found...
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Listening to the talk, I have no idea what the dude is saying 99% of the time, but it sounds awesome all the same! On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Event is just about to start, http://webcast.web.cern.ch/
On 7/4/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Fun spoiler :)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100168877/something-like...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/03/higgs-boson-video-leaks-cern
Happy Higgsdependence day all the same!!!
Martin.
On 7/3/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
We can only wait for tomorrow for the official announcement.
** *Videos* on the LHC and the Higgs boson search, quite informative [ http://www.stfc.ac.uk/38652.aspx ]
** *More sites:* BBC [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808 ] Cosmonline [
http://www.cosmonline.co.uk/blog/2012/07/01/closing-goddamn-it-jim-im-physic...
]
Martin.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll be damned if LHC doesn't find the God's particle and the EU are still pushing funds. Its a 6 billion dollar experiment for God's sake.. And even if thy don't find it, they'll still resort to "but its hypothetical anyway". Anyway, God's speed CERN!
./bernard
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
@Stephen,
From what I understand, the data is kept highly confidential to prevent speculation before *a **thorough analysis* is done by those who **really** understand it. Strictly speaking, one experiment say the ATLAS hardly ever knows what the other, like the CMS is gathering until such a conference as the one coming up on Wednesday is convened. After that everyone else can have their party ... ;)
If you want some gossip though, the Fermilab released an official announcement about their search for the Higgs' earlier than CERN [
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-2012070...
]. The results are here [ http://tevnphwg.fnal.gov/results/SM_Higgs_Winter_12/ ]. I won't blame you if you see plain old rivalry in the publications ......
@Bernard, justification(s) for the funds was done over twenty years ago to the U.K and E.U governments. When Tim Berners-Lee was building the Web in 1989 at CERN, the LHC was already in design and construction stages. If the boson is not found, the focus of their research will only change. There are more things besides the Higgs' being looked for by the facility.
Martin.
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all over the headlines - before the conference or seminar...
They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to 'what they think' they may have found...
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Latest update from CMS is a combined value of 5 sigma for the standard model Higgs Boson! That wast the last statement of the first talk, so it qualifies as a formal Scientific discovery from the CMS collaboration. Listening in to the ATLAS experiment from Melbourne ....... Martin. On 7/4/12, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Listening to the talk, I have no idea what the dude is saying 99% of the time, but it sounds awesome all the same!
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Event is just about to start, http://webcast.web.cern.ch/
On 7/4/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Fun spoiler :)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100168877/something-like...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/03/higgs-boson-video-leaks-cern
Happy Higgsdependence day all the same!!!
Martin.
On 7/3/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
We can only wait for tomorrow for the official announcement.
** *Videos* on the LHC and the Higgs boson search, quite informative [ http://www.stfc.ac.uk/38652.aspx ]
** *More sites:* BBC [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808 ] Cosmonline [
http://www.cosmonline.co.uk/blog/2012/07/01/closing-goddamn-it-jim-im-physic...
]
Martin.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll be damned if LHC doesn't find the God's particle and the EU are still pushing funds. Its a 6 billion dollar experiment for God's sake.. And even if thy don't find it, they'll still resort to "but its hypothetical anyway". Anyway, God's speed CERN!
./bernard
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
@Stephen,
From what I understand, the data is kept highly confidential to prevent speculation before *a **thorough analysis* is done by those who **really** understand it. Strictly speaking, one experiment say the ATLAS hardly ever knows what the other, like the CMS is gathering until such a conference as the one coming up on Wednesday is convened. After that everyone else can have their party ... ;)
If you want some gossip though, the Fermilab released an official announcement about their search for the Higgs' earlier than CERN [
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-2012070...
]. The results are here [ http://tevnphwg.fnal.gov/results/SM_Higgs_Winter_12/ ]. I won't blame you if you see plain old rivalry in the publications ......
@Bernard, justification(s) for the funds was done over twenty years ago to the U.K and E.U governments. When Tim Berners-Lee was building the Web in 1989 at CERN, the LHC was already in design and construction stages. If the boson is not found, the focus of their research will only change. There are more things besides the Higgs' being looked for by the facility.
Martin.
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
> My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all over > the > headlines - before the conference or seminar... > > They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to > 'what > they think' they may have found... > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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"We have observed a new boson with a mass of 125.3 ± 0.6 GeV at 4.9 sigma significance." Thunderous applause. From the CMS collaboration. Official statement [ http://cms.web.cern.ch/news/observation-new-particle-mass-125-gev ] Martin. On 7/4/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Latest update from CMS is a combined value of 5 sigma for the standard model Higgs Boson!
That wast the last statement of the first talk, so it qualifies as a formal Scientific discovery from the CMS collaboration. Listening in to the ATLAS experiment from Melbourne .......
Martin.
On 7/4/12, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Listening to the talk, I have no idea what the dude is saying 99% of the time, but it sounds awesome all the same!
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Event is just about to start, http://webcast.web.cern.ch/
On 7/4/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Fun spoiler :)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100168877/something-like...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/03/higgs-boson-video-leaks-cern
Happy Higgsdependence day all the same!!!
Martin.
On 7/3/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
We can only wait for tomorrow for the official announcement.
** *Videos* on the LHC and the Higgs boson search, quite informative [ http://www.stfc.ac.uk/38652.aspx ]
** *More sites:* BBC [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808 ] Cosmonline [
http://www.cosmonline.co.uk/blog/2012/07/01/closing-goddamn-it-jim-im-physic...
]
Martin.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll be damned if LHC doesn't find the God's particle and the EU are still pushing funds. Its a 6 billion dollar experiment for God's sake.. And even if thy don't find it, they'll still resort to "but its hypothetical anyway". Anyway, God's speed CERN!
./bernard
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
> @Stephen, > > From what I understand, the data is kept highly confidential to prevent > speculation before *a **thorough analysis* is done by those who > **really** > understand it. Strictly speaking, one experiment say the ATLAS > hardly > ever > knows what the other, like the CMS is gathering until such a conference > as > the one coming up on Wednesday is convened. After that everyone > else > can > have their party ... ;) > > If you want some gossip though, the Fermilab released an official > announcement about their search for the Higgs' earlier than CERN [ > http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-2012070... > ]. > The results are here [ > http://tevnphwg.fnal.gov/results/SM_Higgs_Winter_12/ ]. I won't > blame > you if you see plain old rivalry in the publications ...... > > @Bernard, justification(s) for the funds was done over twenty years ago > to the U.K and E.U governments. When Tim Berners-Lee was building > the > Web > in 1989 at CERN, the LHC was already in design and construction stages. > If > the boson is not found, the focus of their research will only > change. > There > are more things besides the Higgs' being looked for by the > facility. > > Martin. > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ndungu stephen > <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote: > >> My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all >> over >> the >> headlines - before the conference or seminar... >> >> They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to >> 'what >> they think' they may have found... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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"The new particle observed at about 125 GeV is compatible, within the limited statistical accuracy, with being the SM Higgs boson. However, more data are required to measure its properties such as decay rates in the various channels (γγ, ZZ, WW, bb and ττ) and ultimately its spin and parity, and *hence ascertain whether it is indeed the SM Higgs boson or the result of new physics beyond the standard model*." So is it or is it not? Sigh... ./bernard On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
"We have observed a new boson with a mass of 125.3 ± 0.6 GeV at 4.9 sigma significance." Thunderous applause. From the CMS collaboration.
Official statement [ http://cms.web.cern.ch/news/observation-new-particle-mass-125-gev ]
Martin.
On 7/4/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Latest update from CMS is a combined value of 5 sigma for the standard model Higgs Boson!
That wast the last statement of the first talk, so it qualifies as a formal Scientific discovery from the CMS collaboration. Listening in to the ATLAS experiment from Melbourne .......
Martin.
On 7/4/12, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Listening to the talk, I have no idea what the dude is saying 99% of the time, but it sounds awesome all the same!
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Event is just about to start, http://webcast.web.cern.ch/
On 7/4/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Fun spoiler :)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100168877/something-like...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/03/higgs-boson-video-leaks-cern
Happy Higgsdependence day all the same!!!
Martin.
On 7/3/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
We can only wait for tomorrow for the official announcement.
** *Videos* on the LHC and the Higgs boson search, quite informative [ http://www.stfc.ac.uk/38652.aspx ]
** *More sites:* BBC [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808 ] Cosmonline [
http://www.cosmonline.co.uk/blog/2012/07/01/closing-goddamn-it-jim-im-physic...
]
Martin.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com
wrote:
> I'll be damned if LHC doesn't find the God's particle and the EU are > still > pushing funds. Its a 6 billion dollar experiment for God's sake.. > And > even > if thy don't find it, they'll still resort to "but its hypothetical > anyway". > Anyway, God's speed CERN! > > ./bernard > > > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Martin Chiteri > <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote: > >> @Stephen, >> >> From what I understand, the data is kept highly confidential to prevent >> speculation before *a **thorough analysis* is done by those who >> **really** >> understand it. Strictly speaking, one experiment say the ATLAS >> hardly >> ever >> knows what the other, like the CMS is gathering until such a conference >> as >> the one coming up on Wednesday is convened. After that everyone >> else >> can >> have their party ... ;) >> >> If you want some gossip though, the Fermilab released an official >> announcement about their search for the Higgs' earlier than CERN [ >>
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-2012070...
>> ]. >> The results are here [ >> http://tevnphwg.fnal.gov/results/SM_Higgs_Winter_12/ ]. I won't >> blame >> you if you see plain old rivalry in the publications ...... >> >> @Bernard, justification(s) for the funds was done over twenty years ago >> to the U.K and E.U governments. When Tim Berners-Lee was building >> the >> Web >> in 1989 at CERN, the LHC was already in design and construction stages. >> If >> the boson is not found, the focus of their research will only >> change. >> There >> are more things besides the Higgs' being looked for by the >> facility. >> >> Martin. >> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ndungu stephen >> <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all >>> over >>> the >>> headlines - before the conference or seminar... >>> >>> They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to >>> 'what >>> they think' they may have found... >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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"I think it will be much more exciting if we don't find the Higgs. That will show something is wrong, and we need to think again. I have a bet of $100 that we won't find the Higgs." -- Prof Steven Hawkins Sigh...the elusive God's Particle... ./bernard On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
"The new particle observed at about 125 GeV is compatible, within the limited statistical accuracy, with being the SM Higgs boson. However, more data are required to measure its properties such as decay rates in the various channels (γγ, ZZ, WW, bb and ττ) and ultimately its spin and parity, and *hence ascertain whether it is indeed the SM Higgs boson or the result of new physics beyond the standard model*."
So is it or is it not?
Sigh...
./bernard
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
"We have observed a new boson with a mass of 125.3 ± 0.6 GeV at 4.9 sigma significance." Thunderous applause. From the CMS collaboration.
Official statement [ http://cms.web.cern.ch/news/observation-new-particle-mass-125-gev ]
Martin.
On 7/4/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Latest update from CMS is a combined value of 5 sigma for the standard model Higgs Boson!
That wast the last statement of the first talk, so it qualifies as a formal Scientific discovery from the CMS collaboration. Listening in to the ATLAS experiment from Melbourne .......
Martin.
On 7/4/12, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Listening to the talk, I have no idea what the dude is saying 99% of the time, but it sounds awesome all the same!
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Event is just about to start, http://webcast.web.cern.ch/
On 7/4/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Fun spoiler :)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100168877/something-like...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/03/higgs-boson-video-leaks-cern
Happy Higgsdependence day all the same!!!
Martin.
On 7/3/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote: > We can only wait for tomorrow for the official announcement. > > ** *Videos* on the LHC and the Higgs boson search, quite
informative
> [ > http://www.stfc.ac.uk/38652.aspx ] > > ** *More sites:* > BBC [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808 ] > Cosmonline [ >
http://www.cosmonline.co.uk/blog/2012/07/01/closing-goddamn-it-jim-im-physic...
> ] > > Martin. > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Bernard Mwagiru < bmwagiru@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I'll be damned if LHC doesn't find the God's particle and the EU are >> still >> pushing funds. Its a 6 billion dollar experiment for God's sake.. >> And >> even >> if thy don't find it, they'll still resort to "but its hypothetical >> anyway". >> Anyway, God's speed CERN! >> >> ./bernard >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Martin Chiteri >> <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> @Stephen, >>> >>> From what I understand, the data is kept highly confidential to prevent >>> speculation before *a **thorough analysis* is done by those who >>> **really** >>> understand it. Strictly speaking, one experiment say the ATLAS >>> hardly >>> ever >>> knows what the other, like the CMS is gathering until such a conference >>> as >>> the one coming up on Wednesday is convened. After that everyone >>> else >>> can >>> have their party ... ;) >>> >>> If you want some gossip though, the Fermilab released an official >>> announcement about their search for the Higgs' earlier than CERN [ >>>
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-2012070...
>>> ]. >>> The results are here [ >>> http://tevnphwg.fnal.gov/results/SM_Higgs_Winter_12/ ]. I won't >>> blame >>> you if you see plain old rivalry in the publications ...... >>> >>> @Bernard, justification(s) for the funds was done over twenty years ago >>> to the U.K and E.U governments. When Tim Berners-Lee was building >>> the >>> Web >>> in 1989 at CERN, the LHC was already in design and construction stages. >>> If >>> the boson is not found, the focus of their research will only >>> change. >>> There >>> are more things besides the Higgs' being looked for by the >>> facility. >>> >>> Martin. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ndungu stephen >>> <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all >>>> over >>>> the >>>> headlines - before the conference or seminar... >>>> >>>> They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to >>>> 'what >>>> they think' they may have found... >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >
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People mmechelewa it has been found , imepatikana http://havewefoundthehiggsbosonyet.org/ What are the implication though. I don't even get the explanation from simple Wikipedia here https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
"I think it will be much more exciting if we don't find the Higgs. That will show something is wrong, and we need to think again. I have a bet of $100 that we won't find the Higgs." -- Prof Steven Hawkins
Sigh...the elusive God's Particle...
./bernard
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
"The new particle observed at about 125 GeV is compatible, within the limited statistical accuracy, with being the SM Higgs boson. However, more data are required to measure its properties such as decay rates in the various channels (γγ, ZZ, WW, bb and ττ) and ultimately its spin and parity, and *hence ascertain whether it is indeed the SM Higgs boson or the result of new physics beyond the standard model*."
So is it or is it not?
Sigh...
./bernard
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com
wrote:
"We have observed a new boson with a mass of 125.3 ± 0.6 GeV at 4.9 sigma significance." Thunderous applause. From the CMS collaboration.
Official statement [ http://cms.web.cern.ch/news/observation-new-particle-mass-125-gev ]
Martin.
On 7/4/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Latest update from CMS is a combined value of 5 sigma for the standard model Higgs Boson!
That wast the last statement of the first talk, so it qualifies as a formal Scientific discovery from the CMS collaboration. Listening in to the ATLAS experiment from Melbourne .......
Martin.
On 7/4/12, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Listening to the talk, I have no idea what the dude is saying 99% of the time, but it sounds awesome all the same!
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Event is just about to start, http://webcast.web.cern.ch/
On 7/4/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote: > Fun spoiler :) > >
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100168877/something-like...
> >
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/03/higgs-boson-video-leaks-cern
> > Happy Higgsdependence day all the same!!! > > Martin. > > On 7/3/12, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote: >> We can only wait for tomorrow for the official announcement. >> >> ** *Videos* on the LHC and the Higgs boson search, quite informative >> [ >> http://www.stfc.ac.uk/38652.aspx ] >> >> ** *More sites:* >> BBC [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808 ] >> Cosmonline [ >>
http://www.cosmonline.co.uk/blog/2012/07/01/closing-goddamn-it-jim-im-physic...
>> ] >> >> Martin. >> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Bernard Mwagiru < bmwagiru@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I'll be damned if LHC doesn't find the God's particle and the EU are >>> still >>> pushing funds. Its a 6 billion dollar experiment for God's sake.. >>> And >>> even >>> if thy don't find it, they'll still resort to "but its hypothetical >>> anyway". >>> Anyway, God's speed CERN! >>> >>> ./bernard >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Martin Chiteri >>> <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> @Stephen, >>>> >>>> From what I understand, the data is kept highly confidential to prevent >>>> speculation before *a **thorough analysis* is done by those who >>>> **really** >>>> understand it. Strictly speaking, one experiment say the ATLAS >>>> hardly >>>> ever >>>> knows what the other, like the CMS is gathering until such a conference >>>> as >>>> the one coming up on Wednesday is convened. After that everyone >>>> else >>>> can >>>> have their party ... ;) >>>> >>>> If you want some gossip though, the Fermilab released an official >>>> announcement about their search for the Higgs' earlier than CERN [ >>>>
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/presspass/press_releases/2012/Higgs-Tevatron-2012070...
>>>> ]. >>>> The results are here [ >>>> http://tevnphwg.fnal.gov/results/SM_Higgs_Winter_12/ ]. I won't >>>> blame >>>> you if you see plain old rivalry in the publications ...... >>>> >>>> @Bernard, justification(s) for the funds was done over twenty years ago >>>> to the U.K and E.U governments. When Tim Berners-Lee was building >>>> the >>>> Web >>>> in 1989 at CERN, the LHC was already in design and construction stages. >>>> If >>>> the boson is not found, the focus of their research will only >>>> change. >>>> There >>>> are more things besides the Higgs' being looked for by the >>>> facility. >>>> >>>> Martin. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:04 PM, ndungu stephen >>>> <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> My thoughts is; if they had found it; it would be splashed all >>>>> over >>>>> the >>>>> headlines - before the conference or seminar... >>>>> >>>>> They have not found it; and they want to give explanation as to >>>>> 'what >>>>> they think' they may have found... >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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WTF ??? What does this mean? That the Big Bang Theory is right ?? [?][?][?][?][?][?] What is the buzz from Religion and Scientists alike ? I have just seen the news on CNN; the guy who proposed the 'God Particle' as they say is an affirmed Atheist - he is very happy; they are saying their 'faith' has been rewarded !
My own questions answered: http://mashable.com/2012/07/04/higgs-boson-video-explainer/ http://www.vice.com/read/the-spiritual-worlds-reaction-to-higgs-boson-discov... http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/what-this-higgs-boson-... http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/07/05/elusive-particle-5-implications-fi... BR/// SNN
@Ndungu, We at the religious community are overly excited by the discovery of Higgs Boson, know as the 'God's Particle.' This unequivocally proves the existence of God. We would like to encourage our scientific brothers to repent, for the end is near.
Hello @Stephen, @Philip and @Bernard, Having read your comments on the thread, I would like to make a few corrections on a point or two. First of all as @Bernard pointed out correctly, *the new particle discovered * <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18702455%20> has not yet been proven to be "*The*" Higgs boson. It has very similar characteristics to it and if you watched the press conference given after the Wednesday seminar, the panelists clearly and very conservatively stated that they will only verify that by the end of the year once they have more data to analyse. There are several Higgs bosons predicted, one is predicted in the Standard Model of Physics which has a spin of zero (I think), the other is predicted in the super symmetric theory and it has an integer spin of two. They have totally different characteristics and the heads of the ATLAS and CMS experiments estimated that it could take them up to four years to fully observe them. The other thing is that the term 'god particle' is a metaphor and a bad one at that. What it actually means is the '*godamn particle*' since it is the most elusive elementary particle<http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/dec/13/higgs-boson-lhc-explained>to date. This has nothing to do with theistic orientatitions and its main purpose it to explain the origins of mass in the Universe. The name was simply chosen for the sake of giving credit to the man who did the theoretical work behind its discovery. In the scientific circle it is preferrably referred to as the BEH scalar particle after Robert Brout, Fracois Englert and Peter Higgs all who independently worked on the theory. Finally, the implications of the discovery are not immediately obvious. More knowledgeable people, some of who have worked on the LHC for many years have given their comments. Watch the short videos<http://www.stfc.ac.uk/38652.aspx>if interested, they are very informative. One speculation that I found appealing is that once we get a better understanding of how matter obtains mass, we could find ways of blocking the Higgs' field from affecting some substances and therefore produce massless materials, maybe enabling travel at light speeds(??). Martin. On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Ndungu,
We at the religious community are overly excited by the discovery of Higgs Boson, know as the 'God's Particle.' This unequivocally proves the existence of God.
We would like to encourage our scientific brothers to repent, for the end is near.
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@ Martin; If you have read the references i pasted - the term 'God Particle' has dual meaning; apart from the meaning you infer.. It also infers to a particle that brings things into existence - which means if scientists have a supply of the Higgs; they can create particles from nothingness - is it not ?? The self confessed atheist as he appeared on CNN has no apologies for the name. This is the reason the Religious organizations are reacting to the news.
Well .... @Stephen if it helps, the person who first proposed the big bang theory is actually a Catholic priest<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre>. Everything else fits right after that. Martin. On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:11 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Martin;
If you have read the references i pasted - the term 'God Particle' has dual meaning; apart from the meaning you infer..
It also infers to a particle that brings things into existence - which means if scientists have a supply of the Higgs; they can create particles from nothingness - is it not ??
The self confessed atheist as he appeared on CNN has no apologies for the name.
This is the reason the Religious organizations are reacting to the news.
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Sorry, old thread but with fresher results: http://cms.web.cern.ch/news/new-cms-results-moriond-electroweak-2013 More articles: 1) http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/march-2013/one-step-closer-to-the-Hi... 2) http://phys.org/news/2013-03-confident-cern-physicists-higgs-boson.html 3) http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/us-science-higgs-idUSBRE9270XW2013... Martin. On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Well .... @Stephen if it helps, the person who first proposed the big bang theory is actually a Catholic priest<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre>. Everything else fits right after that.
Martin.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:11 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Martin;
If you have read the references i pasted - the term 'God Particle' has dual meaning; apart from the meaning you infer..
It also infers to a particle that brings things into existence - which means if scientists have a supply of the Higgs; they can create particles from nothingness - is it not ??
The self confessed atheist as he appeared on CNN has no apologies for the name.
This is the reason the Religious organizations are reacting to the news.
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Another post late into the party. For those who want to understand more about fundamental particles and their properties (spin, symmetries, mass, etc) this article does a pretty good job at making an explanation: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/life-and-physics/2013/mar/14/supersymmetry... Martin. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Sorry, old thread but with fresher results: http://cms.web.cern.ch/news/new-cms-results-moriond-electroweak-2013
More articles: 1) http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/march-2013/one-step-closer-to-the-Hi... 2) http://phys.org/news/2013-03-confident-cern-physicists-higgs-boson.html
3) http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/us-science-higgs-idUSBRE9270XW2013...
Martin.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
Well .... @Stephen if it helps, the person who first proposed the big bang theory is actually a Catholic priest<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre>. Everything else fits right after that.
Martin.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:11 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Martin;
If you have read the references i pasted - the term 'God Particle' has dual meaning; apart from the meaning you infer..
It also infers to a particle that brings things into existence - which means if scientists have a supply of the Higgs; they can create particles from nothingness - is it not ??
The self confessed atheist as he appeared on CNN has no apologies for the name.
This is the reason the Religious organizations are reacting to the news.
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Five years ago, today ... https://www.theguardian.com/science/life-and-physics/2012/jul/04/higgs-like-... Happy HiggsDependence day! CHEERS!! Martin.
On Mar 15, 2013, at 12:00 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, old thread but with fresher results: http://cms.web.cern.ch/news/new-cms-results-moriond-electroweak-2013
More articles: 1) http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/march-2013/one-step-closer-to-the-Hi... 2) http://phys.org/news/2013-03-confident-cern-physicists-higgs-boson.html 3) http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/us-science-higgs-idUSBRE9270XW2013...
Martin.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote: Well .... @Stephen if it helps, the person who first proposed the big bang theory is actually a Catholic priest. Everything else fits right after that.
Martin.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:11 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote: @ Martin;
If you have read the references i pasted - the term 'God Particle' has dual meaning; apart from the meaning you infer..
It also infers to a particle that brings things into existence - which means if scientists have a supply of the Higgs; they can create particles from nothingness - is it not ??
The self confessed atheist as he appeared on CNN has no apologies for the name.
This is the reason the Religious organizations are reacting to the news.
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On 4 Jul 2017, at 14:44, Martin Chiteri via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Five years ago, today ... https://www.theguardian.com/science/life-and-physics/2012/jul/04/higgs-like-...
Happy HiggsDependence day! CHEERS!!
Martin.
On Mar 15, 2013, at 12:00 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, old thread but with fresher results: http://cms.web.cern.ch/news/new-cms-results-moriond-electroweak-2013
More articles: 1) http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/march-2013/one-step-closer-to-the-Hi... 2) http://phys.org/news/2013-03-confident-cern-physicists-higgs-boson.html 3) http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/us-science-higgs-idUSBRE9270XW2013...
Martin.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com> wrote: Well .... @Stephen if it helps, the person who first proposed the big bang theory is actually a Catholic priest. Everything else fits right after that.
Martin.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:11 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote: @ Martin;
If you have read the references i pasted - the term 'God Particle' has dual meaning; apart from the meaning you infer..
It also infers to a particle that brings things into existence - which means if scientists have a supply of the Higgs; they can create particles from nothingness - is it not ??
The self confessed atheist as he appeared on CNN has no apologies for the name.
This is the reason the Religious organizations are reacting to the news.
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