<OT>Dealt With Lawyers !!!
Well tried to help myself but couldn't, had to share this from a friend, (1) Did a job, agreed quote [50k] a DB and a website (2) Finished the job, the lawfirm wrote a contract on which the pay was 30k. (3) Pal->What about the 50K we agreed upon?, lawyers-> we never had a contract on that. (4) Lawyers -> take it or leave it 30k cheque is ready after you train us. (5) Pissed he trains vowing never to do this kind of job again (6) After training -> here is your 27k cheque ->we paid 10% to KRA on your behalf. Well this story is so real and so kenyan.... Guys I guess we should all know how to protect ourselves not so much from other business owners but those who seemingly seem to fight for rights (this was a firm that deals with 'human rights of soughts'). Sorry to lawyers here, I know you are all so good and never take advantage of the non-legally-minded *_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
Lesson one. Don't write a line of code without a signed contract On 25 Jun 2012 12:08, "joe mwirigi" <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well tried to help myself but couldn't, had to share this from a friend,
(1) Did a job, agreed quote [50k] a DB and a website (2) Finished the job, the lawfirm wrote a contract on which the pay was 30k. (3) Pal->What about the 50K we agreed upon?, lawyers-> we never had a contract on that. (4) Lawyers -> take it or leave it 30k cheque is ready after you train us. (5) Pissed he trains vowing never to do this kind of job again (6) After training -> here is your 27k cheque ->we paid 10% to KRA on your behalf.
Well this story is so real and so kenyan.... Guys I guess we should all know how to protect ourselves not so much from other business owners but those who seemingly seem to fight for rights (this was a firm that deals with 'human rights of soughts').
Sorry to lawyers here, I know you are all so good and never take advantage of the non-legally-minded
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
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Lesson #2: Repeat lesson 1 You can also get free copies of sample contracts to guide you in passing lesson 1 & 2 from www.docracy.com On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Lesson one. Don't write a line of code without a signed contract On 25 Jun 2012 12:08, "joe mwirigi" <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well tried to help myself but couldn't, had to share this from a friend,
(1) Did a job, agreed quote [50k] a DB and a website (2) Finished the job, the lawfirm wrote a contract on which the pay was 30k. (3) Pal->What about the 50K we agreed upon?, lawyers-> we never had a contract on that. (4) Lawyers -> take it or leave it 30k cheque is ready after you train us. (5) Pissed he trains vowing never to do this kind of job again (6) After training -> here is your 27k cheque ->we paid 10% to KRA on your behalf.
Well this story is so real and so kenyan.... Guys I guess we should all know how to protect ourselves not so much from other business owners but those who seemingly seem to fight for rights (this was a firm that deals with 'human rights of soughts').
Sorry to lawyers here, I know you are all so good and never take advantage of the non-legally-minded
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
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Joe, I think and believe we are the smartest of all industries so the worst you could do was to create a bug and when they call you back to fix it, then you demand a new contract. The best you could do was to know how to read a contract!... how could the money part miss you? On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Kiti Chigiri <kiti.chigiri@gmail.com>wrote:
Lesson #2: Repeat lesson 1
You can also get free copies of sample contracts to guide you in passing lesson 1 & 2 from www.docracy.com
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Lesson one. Don't write a line of code without a signed contract On 25 Jun 2012 12:08, "joe mwirigi" <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well tried to help myself but couldn't, had to share this from a friend,
(1) Did a job, agreed quote [50k] a DB and a website (2) Finished the job, the lawfirm wrote a contract on which the pay was 30k. (3) Pal->What about the 50K we agreed upon?, lawyers-> we never had a contract on that. (4) Lawyers -> take it or leave it 30k cheque is ready after you train us. (5) Pissed he trains vowing never to do this kind of job again (6) After training -> here is your 27k cheque ->we paid 10% to KRA on your behalf.
Well this story is so real and so kenyan.... Guys I guess we should all know how to protect ourselves not so much from other business owners but those who seemingly seem to fight for rights (this was a firm that deals with 'human rights of soughts').
Sorry to lawyers here, I know you are all so good and never take advantage of the non-legally-minded
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
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-- Kind Regards, Wilson B.
@wilson as I said, it was a friend, though i had similar incidences way back in 06, well, am so mad yet this wasn't me. I just hope I would have the composure to walk away with the cheque or the decency of not triggering a dead man's switch from my phone after cashing it.:-) *_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, * On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Wilson Bandi <bandson67@gmail.com> wrote:
Joe,
I think and believe we are the smartest of all industries so the worst you could do was to create a bug and when they call you back to fix it, then you demand a new contract. The best you could do was to know how to read a contract!... how could the money part miss you?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Kiti Chigiri <kiti.chigiri@gmail.com>wrote:
Lesson #2: Repeat lesson 1
You can also get free copies of sample contracts to guide you in passing lesson 1 & 2 from www.docracy.com
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Lesson one. Don't write a line of code without a signed contract On 25 Jun 2012 12:08, "joe mwirigi" <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well tried to help myself but couldn't, had to share this from a friend,
(1) Did a job, agreed quote [50k] a DB and a website (2) Finished the job, the lawfirm wrote a contract on which the pay was 30k. (3) Pal->What about the 50K we agreed upon?, lawyers-> we never had a contract on that. (4) Lawyers -> take it or leave it 30k cheque is ready after you train us. (5) Pissed he trains vowing never to do this kind of job again (6) After training -> here is your 27k cheque ->we paid 10% to KRA on your behalf.
Well this story is so real and so kenyan.... Guys I guess we should all know how to protect ourselves not so much from other business owners but those who seemingly seem to fight for rights (this was a firm that deals with 'human rights of soughts').
Sorry to lawyers here, I know you are all so good and never take advantage of the non-legally-minded
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
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-- Kind Regards,
Wilson B.
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The only solution is "lemonjuice the images" or as you say "A dead man's switch" On 25 June 2012 14:09, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
@wilson
as I said, it was a friend, though i had similar incidences way back in 06, well, am so mad yet this wasn't me. I just hope I would have the composure to walk away with the cheque or the decency of not triggering a dead man's switch from my phone after cashing it.:-)
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Wilson Bandi <bandson67@gmail.com> wrote:
Joe,
I think and believe we are the smartest of all industries so the worst you could do was to create a bug and when they call you back to fix it, then you demand a new contract. The best you could do was to know how to read a contract!... how could the money part miss you?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Kiti Chigiri <kiti.chigiri@gmail.com>wrote:
Lesson #2: Repeat lesson 1
You can also get free copies of sample contracts to guide you in passing lesson 1 & 2 from www.docracy.com
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Lesson one. Don't write a line of code without a signed contract On 25 Jun 2012 12:08, "joe mwirigi" <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well tried to help myself but couldn't, had to share this from a friend,
(1) Did a job, agreed quote [50k] a DB and a website (2) Finished the job, the lawfirm wrote a contract on which the pay was 30k. (3) Pal->What about the 50K we agreed upon?, lawyers-> we never had a contract on that. (4) Lawyers -> take it or leave it 30k cheque is ready after you train us. (5) Pissed he trains vowing never to do this kind of job again (6) After training -> here is your 27k cheque ->we paid 10% to KRA on your behalf.
Well this story is so real and so kenyan.... Guys I guess we should all know how to protect ourselves not so much from other business owners but those who seemingly seem to fight for rights (this was a firm that deals with 'human rights of soughts').
Sorry to lawyers here, I know you are all so good and never take advantage of the non-legally-minded
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
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-- Kind Regards,
Wilson B.
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-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh www.transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
Withholding tax went up to 10%. And that was last years budget reading. This year they went after landlords. On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
The only solution is "lemonjuice the images" or as you say "A dead man's switch"
On 25 June 2012 14:09, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
@wilson
as I said, it was a friend, though i had similar incidences way back in 06, well, am so mad yet this wasn't me. I just hope I would have the composure to walk away with the cheque or the decency of not triggering a dead man's switch from my phone after cashing it.:-)
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Wilson Bandi <bandson67@gmail.com>wrote:
Joe,
I think and believe we are the smartest of all industries so the worst you could do was to create a bug and when they call you back to fix it, then you demand a new contract. The best you could do was to know how to read a contract!... how could the money part miss you?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Kiti Chigiri <kiti.chigiri@gmail.com>wrote:
Lesson #2: Repeat lesson 1
You can also get free copies of sample contracts to guide you in passing lesson 1 & 2 from www.docracy.com
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Lesson one. Don't write a line of code without a signed contract On 25 Jun 2012 12:08, "joe mwirigi" <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well tried to help myself but couldn't, had to share this from a friend,
(1) Did a job, agreed quote [50k] a DB and a website (2) Finished the job, the lawfirm wrote a contract on which the pay was 30k. (3) Pal->What about the 50K we agreed upon?, lawyers-> we never had a contract on that. (4) Lawyers -> take it or leave it 30k cheque is ready after you train us. (5) Pissed he trains vowing never to do this kind of job again (6) After training -> here is your 27k cheque ->we paid 10% to KRA on your behalf.
Well this story is so real and so kenyan.... Guys I guess we should all know how to protect ourselves not so much from other business owners but those who seemingly seem to fight for rights (this was a firm that deals with 'human rights of soughts').
Sorry to lawyers here, I know you are all so good and never take advantage of the non-legally-minded
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
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-- Kind Regards,
Wilson B.
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Its a good idea to have the contract before commencing any job. On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Withholding tax went up to 10%. And that was last years budget reading. This year they went after landlords.
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
The only solution is "lemonjuice the images" or as you say "A dead man's switch"
On 25 June 2012 14:09, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
@wilson
as I said, it was a friend, though i had similar incidences way back in 06, well, am so mad yet this wasn't me. I just hope I would have the composure to walk away with the cheque or the decency of not triggering a dead man's switch from my phone after cashing it.:-)
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Wilson Bandi <bandson67@gmail.com>wrote:
Joe,
I think and believe we are the smartest of all industries so the worst you could do was to create a bug and when they call you back to fix it, then you demand a new contract. The best you could do was to know how to read a contract!... how could the money part miss you?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Kiti Chigiri <kiti.chigiri@gmail.com>wrote:
Lesson #2: Repeat lesson 1
You can also get free copies of sample contracts to guide you in passing lesson 1 & 2 from www.docracy.com
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Lesson one. Don't write a line of code without a signed contract On 25 Jun 2012 12:08, "joe mwirigi" <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well tried to help myself but couldn't, had to share this from a > friend, > > (1) Did a job, agreed quote [50k] a DB and a website > (2) Finished the job, the lawfirm wrote a contract on which the pay > was 30k. > (3) Pal->What about the 50K we agreed upon?, lawyers-> we never had > a contract on that. > (4) Lawyers -> take it or leave it 30k cheque is ready after you > train us. > (5) Pissed he trains vowing never to do this kind of job again > (6) After training -> here is your 27k cheque ->we paid 10% to KRA > on your behalf. > > Well this story is so real and so kenyan.... > Guys I guess we should all know how to protect ourselves not so much > from other business owners but those who seemingly > seem to fight for rights (this was a firm that deals with 'human > rights of soughts'). > > Sorry to lawyers here, I know you are all so good and never take > advantage of the non-legally-minded > > > > > > *_______________________________________________________________ > We must Keep on, > * > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
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Its true, contract first, but you will also understand sometimes the jobs are so hard to come by such that when a guy lands something like, especially newly minted techies, they end up being so excited that contracts are nowhere in their minds,and the client can tell this, until they're conned. I think as professionals, main thing is to know what you're worth and value your skills and knowledge appropriately, even if your broke. Insist on terms of service (contracts, etc) first before you do anything.... On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Johnny Tsunami <onamij@gmail.com> wrote:
Its a good idea to have the contract before commencing any job.
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Withholding tax went up to 10%. And that was last years budget reading. This year they went after landlords.
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
The only solution is "lemonjuice the images" or as you say "A dead man's switch"
On 25 June 2012 14:09, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
@wilson
as I said, it was a friend, though i had similar incidences way back in 06, well, am so mad yet this wasn't me. I just hope I would have the composure to walk away with the cheque or the decency of not triggering a dead man's switch from my phone after cashing it.:-)
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Wilson Bandi <bandson67@gmail.com>wrote:
Joe,
I think and believe we are the smartest of all industries so the worst you could do was to create a bug and when they call you back to fix it, then you demand a new contract. The best you could do was to know how to read a contract!... how could the money part miss you?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Kiti Chigiri <kiti.chigiri@gmail.com>wrote:
Lesson #2: Repeat lesson 1
You can also get free copies of sample contracts to guide you in passing lesson 1 & 2 from www.docracy.com
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lesson one. Don't write a line of code without a signed contract > On 25 Jun 2012 12:08, "joe mwirigi" <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well tried to help myself but couldn't, had to share this from a >> friend, >> >> (1) Did a job, agreed quote [50k] a DB and a website >> (2) Finished the job, the lawfirm wrote a contract on which the pay >> was 30k. >> (3) Pal->What about the 50K we agreed upon?, lawyers-> we never had >> a contract on that. >> (4) Lawyers -> take it or leave it 30k cheque is ready after you >> train us. >> (5) Pissed he trains vowing never to do this kind of job again >> (6) After training -> here is your 27k cheque ->we paid 10% to KRA >> on your behalf. >> >> Well this story is so real and so kenyan.... >> Guys I guess we should all know how to protect ourselves not so >> much from other business owners but those who seemingly >> seem to fight for rights (this was a firm that deals with 'human >> rights of soughts'). >> >> Sorry to lawyers here, I know you are all so good and never take >> advantage of the non-legally-minded >> >> >> >> >> >> *_______________________________________________________________ >> We must Keep on, >> * >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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People, Words of advice from someone who has been shafted more times than he can count: 1) Break the project up into pieces (us consultants call them "Phases') 2) Have a deliverable at the end of each Phase (piece) and a fee to be paid upon delivery *before* the next phase is undertaken 3) Have a down-payment/commitment fee payable in order to start (10%-30%) depending on size of contract and duration 4) Have the client sign off each phase *before* moving on to the next These tips can save a lot of stress, misunderstanding and unnecessary grief. Mblayo On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
Its true, contract first, but you will also understand sometimes the jobs are so hard to come by such that when a guy lands something like, especially newly minted techies, they end up being so excited that contracts are nowhere in their minds,and the client can tell this, until they're conned. I think as professionals, main thing is to know what you're worth and value your skills and knowledge appropriately, even if your broke. Insist on terms of service (contracts, etc) first before you do anything....
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Johnny Tsunami <onamij@gmail.com> wrote:
Its a good idea to have the contract before commencing any job.
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Withholding tax went up to 10%. And that was last years budget reading. This year they went after landlords.
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
The only solution is "lemonjuice the images" or as you say "A dead man's switch"
On 25 June 2012 14:09, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
@wilson
as I said, it was a friend, though i had similar incidences way back in 06, well, am so mad yet this wasn't me. I just hope I would have the composure to walk away with the cheque or the decency of not triggering a dead man's switch from my phone after cashing it.:-)
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Wilson Bandi <bandson67@gmail.com>wrote:
Joe,
I think and believe we are the smartest of all industries so the worst you could do was to create a bug and when they call you back to fix it, then you demand a new contract. The best you could do was to know how to read a contract!... how could the money part miss you?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Kiti Chigiri <kiti.chigiri@gmail.com > wrote:
> Lesson #2: Repeat lesson 1 > > You can also get free copies of sample contracts to guide you in > passing lesson 1 & 2 from www.docracy.com > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Lesson one. Don't write a line of code without a signed contract >> On 25 Jun 2012 12:08, "joe mwirigi" <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Well tried to help myself but couldn't, had to share this from a >>> friend, >>> >>> (1) Did a job, agreed quote [50k] a DB and a website >>> (2) Finished the job, the lawfirm wrote a contract on which the >>> pay was 30k. >>> (3) Pal->What about the 50K we agreed upon?, lawyers-> we never >>> had a contract on that. >>> (4) Lawyers -> take it or leave it 30k cheque is ready after you >>> train us. >>> (5) Pissed he trains vowing never to do this kind of job again >>> (6) After training -> here is your 27k cheque ->we paid 10% to KRA >>> on your behalf. >>> >>> Well this story is so real and so kenyan.... >>> Guys I guess we should all know how to protect ourselves not so >>> much from other business owners but those who seemingly >>> seem to fight for rights (this was a firm that deals with 'human >>> rights of soughts'). >>> >>> Sorry to lawyers here, I know you are all so good and never take >>> advantage of the non-legally-minded >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *_______________________________________________________________ >>> We must Keep on, >>> * >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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you should probably watch the vid on this link http://vimeo.com/22053820 goes along with what everyone has said above. On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
People,
Words of advice from someone who has been shafted more times than he can count: 1) Break the project up into pieces (us consultants call them "Phases') 2) Have a deliverable at the end of each Phase (piece) and a fee to be paid upon delivery *before* the next phase is undertaken 3) Have a down-payment/commitment fee payable in order to start (10%-30%) depending on size of contract and duration 4) Have the client sign off each phase *before* moving on to the next
These tips can save a lot of stress, misunderstanding and unnecessary grief.
Mblayo
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
Its true, contract first, but you will also understand sometimes the jobs are so hard to come by such that when a guy lands something like, especially newly minted techies, they end up being so excited that contracts are nowhere in their minds,and the client can tell this, until they're conned. I think as professionals, main thing is to know what you're worth and value your skills and knowledge appropriately, even if your broke. Insist on terms of service (contracts, etc) first before you do anything....
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Johnny Tsunami <onamij@gmail.com> wrote:
Its a good idea to have the contract before commencing any job.
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Withholding tax went up to 10%. And that was last years budget reading. This year they went after landlords.
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
The only solution is "lemonjuice the images" or as you say "A dead man's switch"
On 25 June 2012 14:09, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
@wilson
as I said, it was a friend, though i had similar incidences way back in 06, well, am so mad yet this wasn't me. I just hope I would have the composure to walk away with the cheque or the decency of not triggering a dead man's switch from my phone after cashing it.:-)
*_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, *
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Wilson Bandi <bandson67@gmail.com>wrote:
> Joe, > > I think and believe we are the smartest of all industries so the > worst you could do was to create a bug and when they call you back to fix > it, then you demand a new contract. The best you could do was to know how > to read a contract!... how could the money part miss you? > > > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Kiti Chigiri < > kiti.chigiri@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Lesson #2: Repeat lesson 1 >> >> You can also get free copies of sample contracts to guide you in >> passing lesson 1 & 2 from www.docracy.com >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Lesson one. Don't write a line of code without a signed contract >>> On 25 Jun 2012 12:08, "joe mwirigi" <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Well tried to help myself but couldn't, had to share this from a >>>> friend, >>>> >>>> (1) Did a job, agreed quote [50k] a DB and a website >>>> (2) Finished the job, the lawfirm wrote a contract on which the >>>> pay was 30k. >>>> (3) Pal->What about the 50K we agreed upon?, lawyers-> we never >>>> had a contract on that. >>>> (4) Lawyers -> take it or leave it 30k cheque is ready after you >>>> train us. >>>> (5) Pissed he trains vowing never to do this kind of job again >>>> (6) After training -> here is your 27k cheque ->we paid 10% to >>>> KRA on your behalf. >>>> >>>> Well this story is so real and so kenyan.... >>>> Guys I guess we should all know how to protect ourselves not so >>>> much from other business owners but those who seemingly >>>> seem to fight for rights (this was a firm that deals with 'human >>>> rights of soughts'). >>>> >>>> Sorry to lawyers here, I know you are all so good and never take >>>> advantage of the non-legally-minded >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *_______________________________________________________________ >>>> We must Keep on, >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Kind Regards, > > Wilson B. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying anything though ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh www.transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
My Style 1. Contract... and if not contract... pre-paid services otherwise .. I dont need your money.. On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying anything though
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The Phases approach is a very very crucial concept every techie should learn from their degree/diploma. I dunno why anyone would chose to forgo that and work "in good faith", but in the event you do, for your sake, leave a "deadman's switch" for the b'tards as you remember the 11th commandment _______________________________________________ *The value of a prototype is in the education it gives you, * *not in the code it's made of. ** * _______________________________________________ * * 2012/6/25 Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>
My Style
1. Contract... and if not contract... pre-paid services otherwise .. I dont need your money..
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying anything though
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I should design a course called "FreelancingKE 101" and invite ma-skunk to learn some of the hard lessons I have picked up over the past 20yrs in IT..... Mblayo On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com> wrote:
My Style
1. Contract... and if not contract... pre-paid services otherwise .. I dont need your money..
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying anything though
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@Mblayo, why don't you? Then we can organize a meetup at iHub and share horror stories :-) On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
I should design a course called "FreelancingKE 101" and invite ma-skunk to learn some of the hard lessons I have picked up over the past 20yrs in IT.....
Mblayo
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
My Style
1. Contract... and if not contract... pre-paid services otherwise .. I dont need your money..
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying anything though
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Nice to see there is some interest. I will give it a think and see if I can come up with something that will genuinely add value instead of just serving as a juicy distraction.... Best regards, Brian On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mblayo, why don't you? Then we can organize a meetup at iHub and share horror stories :-)
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
I should design a course called "FreelancingKE 101" and invite ma-skunk to learn some of the hard lessons I have picked up over the past 20yrs in IT.....
Mblayo
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
My Style
1. Contract... and if not contract... pre-paid services otherwise .. I dont need your money..
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying anything though
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh www.transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
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to add to Mblayos class There should be a standard freelancers contract ... saves on legal fees On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
Nice to see there is some interest. I will give it a think and see if I can come up with something that will genuinely add value instead of just serving as a juicy distraction....
Best regards,
Brian
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mblayo, why don't you? Then we can organize a meetup at iHub and share horror stories :-)
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
I should design a course called "FreelancingKE 101" and invite ma-skunk to learn some of the hard lessons I have picked up over the past 20yrs in IT.....
Mblayo
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
My Style
1. Contract... and if not contract... pre-paid services otherwise .. I dont need your money..
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying anything though
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh www.transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
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"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
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As a newly minted free lancer I have to say that : 1: Be professional, fake it if you're not: This means using professional paper work, quality work, proper project management be organized. Don't appear desperate. Clients can sniff this. Learn to negotiate and sell. Get legal advice, a lawyer pal to every once in a while stamp a document helps. You probably have no money to pay him apart from maybe eternal gratitude. Or throw a lawyer in as a partner 2: Be so good at what you're selling they can't really afford to mess with your money. Tweeter (#GetPaidNotPlayed<https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23GetPaidNotPlayed> ) 3: Black list clients. Mention them here. You owe them nothing if they are delivering grief to you. http://www.worldslongestinvoice.com/, 4: follow up to 3 above: Have a database of 'bad clients' black list, blog about them, tweet the heck out of them start a hash tag like #GetPaidNotPlayed <https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23GetPaidNotPlayed>KE; buy a megaphone. 5: We can and probably should start a freelancers 'union'. freelancers lose out on quite a number of things like low insurance rates, group covers etc. As a group we can bargain better, have lawyers who understand our needs, figure out KRA.....etc If I am to continue this path (freelance contracting|), I will definitely be involved (start/join) something like http://www.freelancersunion.org/index.html and ohh its such a wonderful life gitau On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
to add to Mblayos class
There should be a standard freelancers contract ...
saves on legal fees
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
Nice to see there is some interest. I will give it a think and see if I can come up with something that will genuinely add value instead of just serving as a juicy distraction....
Best regards,
Brian
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@Mblayo, why don't you? Then we can organize a meetup at iHub and share horror stories :-)
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
I should design a course called "FreelancingKE 101" and invite ma-skunk to learn some of the hard lessons I have picked up over the past 20yrs in IT.....
Mblayo
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
My Style
1. Contract... and if not contract... pre-paid services otherwise .. I dont need your money..
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying anything though
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh www.transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
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"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
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"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
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Brian, I agree. I can also jump and help. Definitely learnt somethings the hard way and especially when dealing with the big boys aka bluechip companies. Regards, On 26 June 2012 10:49, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
As a newly minted free lancer I have to say that :
1: Be professional, fake it if you're not: This means using professional paper work, quality work, proper project management be organized. Don't appear desperate. Clients can sniff this. Learn to negotiate and sell. Get legal advice, a lawyer pal to every once in a while stamp a document helps. You probably have no money to pay him apart from maybe eternal gratitude. Or throw a lawyer in as a partner 2: Be so good at what you're selling they can't really afford to mess with your money. Tweeter (#GetPaidNotPlayed<https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23GetPaidNotPlayed> ) 3: Black list clients. Mention them here. You owe them nothing if they are delivering grief to you. http://www.worldslongestinvoice.com/, 4: follow up to 3 above: Have a database of 'bad clients' black list, blog about them, tweet the heck out of them start a hash tag like #GetPaidNotPlayed <https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23GetPaidNotPlayed>KE; buy a megaphone. 5: We can and probably should start a freelancers 'union'. freelancers lose out on quite a number of things like low insurance rates, group covers etc. As a group we can bargain better, have lawyers who understand our needs, figure out KRA.....etc If I am to continue this path (freelance contracting|), I will definitely be involved (start/join) something like http://www.freelancersunion.org/index.html and ohh its such a wonderful life
gitau
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
to add to Mblayos class
There should be a standard freelancers contract ...
saves on legal fees
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
Nice to see there is some interest. I will give it a think and see if I can come up with something that will genuinely add value instead of just serving as a juicy distraction....
Best regards,
Brian
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@Mblayo, why don't you? Then we can organize a meetup at iHub and share horror stories :-)
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com
wrote:
I should design a course called "FreelancingKE 101" and invite ma-skunk to learn some of the hard lessons I have picked up over the past 20yrs in IT.....
Mblayo
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
My Style
1. Contract... and if not contract... pre-paid services otherwise .. I dont need your money..
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
> If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some > people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying anything though > > > > ______________________ > Mwendwa Kivuva > For > Business Development > Transworld Computer Channels > Cel: 0722402248 > twitter.com/lordmwesh > www.transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing > kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
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As a freelancer, you should have YOUR OWN contract or SLA that the client signs BEFORE commencement of any work. Don't wait for the client to give you their contract and don't buy any 'gentleman's agreement'. That has worked for me. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Brian,
I agree. I can also jump and help. Definitely learnt somethings the hard way and especially when dealing with the big boys aka bluechip companies.
Regards,
On 26 June 2012 10:49, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
As a newly minted free lancer I have to say that :
1: Be professional, fake it if you're not: This means using professional paper work, quality work, proper project management be organized. Don't appear desperate. Clients can sniff this. Learn to negotiate and sell. Get legal advice, a lawyer pal to every once in a while stamp a document helps. You probably have no money to pay him apart from maybe eternal gratitude. Or throw a lawyer in as a partner 2: Be so good at what you're selling they can't really afford to mess with your money. Tweeter (#GetPaidNotPlayed<https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23GetPaidNotPlayed> ) 3: Black list clients. Mention them here. You owe them nothing if they are delivering grief to you. http://www.worldslongestinvoice.com/, 4: follow up to 3 above: Have a database of 'bad clients' black list, blog about them, tweet the heck out of them start a hash tag like #GetPaidNotPlayed <https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23GetPaidNotPlayed>KE; buy a megaphone. 5: We can and probably should start a freelancers 'union'. freelancers lose out on quite a number of things like low insurance rates, group covers etc. As a group we can bargain better, have lawyers who understand our needs, figure out KRA.....etc If I am to continue this path (freelance contracting|), I will definitely be involved (start/join) something like http://www.freelancersunion.org/index.html and ohh its such a wonderful life
gitau
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
to add to Mblayos class
There should be a standard freelancers contract ...
saves on legal fees
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
Nice to see there is some interest. I will give it a think and see if I can come up with something that will genuinely add value instead of just serving as a juicy distraction....
Best regards,
Brian
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@Mblayo, why don't you? Then we can organize a meetup at iHub and share horror stories :-)
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe < blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I should design a course called "FreelancingKE 101" and invite ma-skunk to learn some of the hard lessons I have picked up over the past 20yrs in IT.....
Mblayo
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com>wrote:
> My Style > > 1. Contract... and if not contract... pre-paid services > otherwise .. I dont need your money.. > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com > > wrote: > >> If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some >> people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying anything though >> >> >> >> ______________________ >> Mwendwa Kivuva >> For >> Business Development >> Transworld Computer Channels >> Cel: 0722402248 >> twitter.com/lordmwesh >> www.transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing >> kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
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-- Regards, Peter Karunyu -------------------
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-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
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-- Shiro Njagi Every hour, every minute, every moment, happens just once ~~Amel Larrieux~~
Think 90% before you code 10% is what I always go by. Writing the actual software should be one of the last things that you do. On 29 June 2012 09:20, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
As a freelancer, you should have YOUR OWN contract or SLA that the client signs BEFORE commencement of any work. Don't wait for the client to give you their contract and don't buy any 'gentleman's agreement'. That has worked for me.
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Brian,
I agree. I can also jump and help. Definitely learnt somethings the hard way and especially when dealing with the big boys aka bluechip companies.
Regards,
On 26 June 2012 10:49, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
As a newly minted free lancer I have to say that :
1: Be professional, fake it if you're not: This means using professional paper work, quality work, proper project management be organized. Don't appear desperate. Clients can sniff this. Learn to negotiate and sell. Get legal advice, a lawyer pal to every once in a while stamp a document helps. You probably have no money to pay him apart from maybe eternal gratitude. Or throw a lawyer in as a partner 2: Be so good at what you're selling they can't really afford to mess with your money. Tweeter (#GetPaidNotPlayed) 3: Black list clients. Mention them here. You owe them nothing if they are delivering grief to you. http://www.worldslongestinvoice.com/, 4: follow up to 3 above: Have a database of 'bad clients' black list, blog about them, tweet the heck out of them start a hash tag like #GetPaidNotPlayedKE; buy a megaphone. 5: We can and probably should start a freelancers 'union'. freelancers lose out on quite a number of things like low insurance rates, group covers etc. As a group we can bargain better, have lawyers who understand our needs, figure out KRA.....etc If I am to continue this path (freelance contracting|), I will definitely be involved (start/join) something like http://www.freelancersunion.org/index.html and ohh its such a wonderful life
gitau
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
to add to Mblayos class
There should be a standard freelancers contract ...
saves on legal fees
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Nice to see there is some interest. I will give it a think and see if I can come up with something that will genuinely add value instead of just serving as a juicy distraction....
Best regards,
Brian
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mblayo, why don't you? Then we can organize a meetup at iHub and share horror stories :-)
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: > > I should design a course called "FreelancingKE 101" and invite > ma-skunk to learn some of the hard lessons I have picked up over the past > 20yrs in IT..... > > Mblayo > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> My Style >> >> 1. Contract... and if not contract... pre-paid services >> otherwise .. I dont need your money.. >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Kivuva >> <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: >>> >>> If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some >>> people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying anything though >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________ >>> Mwendwa Kivuva >>> For >>> Business Development >>> Transworld Computer Channels >>> Cel: 0722402248 >>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>> www.transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing >>> kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Brian Munyao Longwe > e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com > cell: +254715964281 > blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com > meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com > > "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to > stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for > anything." > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Withholding tax is 10% of amounts 36k and above. The firm should have issued you with a tax certificate which you should submit to kra. without this it means they pocketed the 3k. On 7/1/12, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:
Think 90% before you code 10% is what I always go by. Writing the actual software should be one of the last things that you do.
On 29 June 2012 09:20, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
As a freelancer, you should have YOUR OWN contract or SLA that the client signs BEFORE commencement of any work. Don't wait for the client to give you their contract and don't buy any 'gentleman's agreement'. That has worked for me.
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Brian,
I agree. I can also jump and help. Definitely learnt somethings the hard way and especially when dealing with the big boys aka bluechip companies.
Regards,
On 26 June 2012 10:49, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
As a newly minted free lancer I have to say that :
1: Be professional, fake it if you're not: This means using professional paper work, quality work, proper project management be organized. Don't appear desperate. Clients can sniff this. Learn to negotiate and sell. Get legal advice, a lawyer pal to every once in a while stamp a document helps. You probably have no money to pay him apart from maybe eternal gratitude. Or throw a lawyer in as a partner 2: Be so good at what you're selling they can't really afford to mess with your money. Tweeter (#GetPaidNotPlayed) 3: Black list clients. Mention them here. You owe them nothing if they are delivering grief to you. http://www.worldslongestinvoice.com/, 4: follow up to 3 above: Have a database of 'bad clients' black list, blog about them, tweet the heck out of them start a hash tag like #GetPaidNotPlayedKE; buy a megaphone. 5: We can and probably should start a freelancers 'union'. freelancers lose out on quite a number of things like low insurance rates, group covers etc. As a group we can bargain better, have lawyers who understand our needs, figure out KRA.....etc If I am to continue this path (freelance contracting|), I will definitely be involved (start/join) something like http://www.freelancersunion.org/index.html and ohh its such a wonderful life
gitau
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
to add to Mblayos class
There should be a standard freelancers contract ...
saves on legal fees
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Nice to see there is some interest. I will give it a think and see if I can come up with something that will genuinely add value instead of just serving as a juicy distraction....
Best regards,
Brian
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: > > @Mblayo, why don't you? Then we can organize a meetup at iHub and > share horror stories :-) > > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe > <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I should design a course called "FreelancingKE 101" and invite >> ma-skunk to learn some of the hard lessons I have picked up over the >> past >> 20yrs in IT..... >> >> Mblayo >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Maina >> <mainasoft00@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> My Style >>> >>> 1. Contract... and if not contract... pre-paid services >>> otherwise .. I dont need your money.. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Kivuva >>> <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some >>>> people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying >>>> anything though >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________ >>>> Mwendwa Kivuva >>>> For >>>> Business Development >>>> Transworld Computer Channels >>>> Cel: 0722402248 >>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>> www.transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing >>>> kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Brian Munyao Longwe >> e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com >> cell: +254715964281 >> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com >> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com >> >> "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to >> stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for >> anything." >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Regards, > Peter Karunyu > ------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Thanks all, gathered much and also copied my friend *_______________________________________________________________ We must Keep on, * On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:16 AM, James Mutuku <listmutuku@gmail.com> wrote:
Withholding tax is 10% of amounts 36k and above. The firm should have issued you with a tax certificate which you should submit to kra. without this it means they pocketed the 3k.
On 7/1/12, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:
Think 90% before you code 10% is what I always go by. Writing the actual software should be one of the last things that you do.
On 29 June 2012 09:20, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
As a freelancer, you should have YOUR OWN contract or SLA that the client signs BEFORE commencement of any work. Don't wait for the client to give you their contract and don't buy any 'gentleman's agreement'. That has worked for me.
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Brian,
I agree. I can also jump and help. Definitely learnt somethings the
hard
way and especially when dealing with the big boys aka bluechip companies.
Regards,
On 26 June 2012 10:49, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
As a newly minted free lancer I have to say that :
1: Be professional, fake it if you're not: This means using professional paper work, quality work, proper project management be organized.
Don't
appear desperate. Clients can sniff this. Learn to negotiate and sell. Get legal advice, a lawyer pal to every once in a while stamp a document helps. You probably have no money to pay him apart from maybe eternal gratitude. Or throw a lawyer in as a partner 2: Be so good at what you're selling they can't really afford to mess with your money. Tweeter (#GetPaidNotPlayed) 3: Black list clients. Mention them here. You owe them nothing if they are delivering grief to you. http://www.worldslongestinvoice.com/, 4: follow up to 3 above: Have a database of 'bad clients' black list, blog about them, tweet the heck out of them start a hash tag like #GetPaidNotPlayedKE; buy a megaphone. 5: We can and probably should start a freelancers 'union'. freelancers lose out on quite a number of things like low insurance rates, group covers etc. As a group we can bargain better, have lawyers who understand our needs, figure out KRA.....etc If I am to continue this path (freelance contracting|), I will definitely be involved (start/join) something like http://www.freelancersunion.org/index.html and ohh its such a wonderful life
gitau
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
to add to Mblayos class
There should be a standard freelancers contract ...
saves on legal fees
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: > > Nice to see there is some interest. I will give it a think and see
if
> I > can come up with something that will genuinely add value instead of > just > serving as a juicy distraction.... > > Best regards, > > Brian > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> @Mblayo, why don't you? Then we can organize a meetup at iHub and >> share horror stories :-) >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe >> <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I should design a course called "FreelancingKE 101" and invite >>> ma-skunk to learn some of the hard lessons I have picked up over the >>> past >>> 20yrs in IT..... >>> >>> Mblayo >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Joseph Maina >>> <mainasoft00@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> My Style >>>> >>>> 1. Contract... and if not contract... pre-paid services >>>> otherwise .. I dont need your money.. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Kivuva >>>> <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If I was was a lawyer, I would keep away from such stunts. Some >>>>> people have been shot for lesser offenses. I'm not implying >>>>> anything though >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________ >>>>> Mwendwa Kivuva >>>>> For >>>>> Business Development >>>>> Transworld Computer Channels >>>>> Cel: 0722402248 >>>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>>> www.transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing >>>>> kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Munyao Longwe >>> e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com >>> cell: +254715964281 >>> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com >>> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com >>> >>> "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to >>> stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for >>> anything." >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Peter Karunyu >> ------------------- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Brian Munyao Longwe > e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com > cell: +254715964281 > blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com > meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com > > "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to > stand > for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for > anything." > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Actually, I have it on good authority that if you render professional services as a "professional", the person paying you is supposed to deduct 5% and remit it to KRA, I think its called withholding tax or something. Then you as the professional, you can claim back this money from KRA since, theoretically, if you pay income tax on the amount you earned, then you would have been taxed twice. 5% of 30,000 is KES 1500. He should have been paid KES 28,500. But like has been said, never ever write a single line of code without a contract, unless the code is yours. On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Wilson Bandi <bandson67@gmail.com> wrote:
Joe,
I think and believe we are the smartest of all industries so the worst you could do was to create a bug and when they call you back to fix it, then you demand a new contract. The best you could do was to know how to read a contract!... how could the money part miss you?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Kiti Chigiri <kiti.chigiri@gmail.com>wrote:
Lesson #2: Repeat lesson 1
You can also get free copies of sample contracts to guide you in passing lesson 1 & 2 from www.docracy.com
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Lesson one. Don't write a line of code without a signed contract On 25 Jun 2012 12:08, "joe mwirigi" <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well tried to help myself but couldn't, had to share this from a friend,
(1) Did a job, agreed quote [50k] a DB and a website (2) Finished the job, the lawfirm wrote a contract on which the pay was 30k. (3) Pal->What about the 50K we agreed upon?, lawyers-> we never had a contract on that. (4) Lawyers -> take it or leave it 30k cheque is ready after you train us. (5) Pissed he trains vowing never to do this kind of job again (6) After training -> here is your 27k cheque ->we paid 10% to KRA on your behalf.
Well this story is so real and so kenyan.... Guys I guess we should all know how to protect ourselves not so much from other business owners but those who seemingly seem to fight for rights (this was a firm that deals with 'human rights of soughts').
Sorry to lawyers here, I know you are all so good and never take advantage of the non-legally-minded
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participants (19)
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Agosta Liko -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
James Muendo -
James Mutuku -
James Nzomo -
Jangita Nyagudi -
joe mwirigi -
John Gitau -
Johnny Tsunami -
Joram Mwinamo -
Joseph Maina -
Kinuthia Ngugi -
Kiti Chigiri -
Kivuva -
Muoki Maingi -
Peter Karunyu -
Rad! -
Shiro Njagi -
Wilson Bandi