TAKING IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL: Wanted: One team

*Wanted*: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals *Deliverable*: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya) An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time. The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based. The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be - especially in the future phases, which are larger scale. Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following: - Give your team a name - Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees - Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team - Detailed Contact information Send this information to *Patricia*, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at *p_mukundi@yahoo.com* Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project. DEADLINE: 10th June 2008. Good Luck. Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com

Kags, 10th June 2008? Hasnt this ddl passed? On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
*Wanted*: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals *Deliverable*: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya)
An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time.
The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based.
The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be - especially in the future phases, which are larger scale.
Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following:
- Give your team a name - Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees - Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team - Detailed Contact information
Send this information to *Patricia*, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at *p_mukundi@yahoo.com*
Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project.
DEADLINE: 10th June 2008.
Good Luck.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
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I also thought my calendar was asleep until now. My guess is the call is closed, Kags? On 01/07/2009, judith mulinge <judith.mulinge@gmail.com> wrote:
Kags,
10th June 2008?
Hasnt this ddl passed?
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
*Wanted*: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals *Deliverable*: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya)
An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time.
The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based.
The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be - especially in the future phases, which are larger scale.
Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following:
- Give your team a name - Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees - Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team - Detailed Contact information
Send this information to *Patricia*, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at *p_mukundi@yahoo.com*
Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project.
DEADLINE: 10th June 2008.
Good Luck.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
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Apologies, *July 10th 2009* Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
I also thought my calendar was asleep until now. My guess is the call is closed, Kags?
On 01/07/2009, judith mulinge <judith.mulinge@gmail.com> wrote:
Kags,
10th June 2008?
Hasnt this ddl passed?
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
*Wanted*: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals *Deliverable*: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya)
An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time.
The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based.
The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be - especially in the future phases, which are larger scale.
Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following:
- Give your team a name - Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees - Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team - Detailed Contact information
Send this information to *Patricia*, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at *p_mukundi@yahoo.com*
Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project.
DEADLINE: 10th June 2008.
Good Luck.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
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AND
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Quick suggestion. All who are interested in said project could show up for a meeting. A project lead can be picked and the project kicks off. Anyone interested to send in CV and apologies early. I propose this weekend. The document, structure etc can be banged out then. On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
Apologies,
*July 10th 2009* Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
I also thought my calendar was asleep until now. My guess is the call is closed, Kags?
On 01/07/2009, judith mulinge <judith.mulinge@gmail.com> wrote:
Kags,
10th June 2008?
Hasnt this ddl passed?
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
*Wanted*: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals *Deliverable*: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya)
An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time.
The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based.
The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be - especially in the future phases, which are larger scale.
Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following:
- Give your team a name - Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees - Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team - Detailed Contact information
Send this information to *Patricia*, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at *p_mukundi@yahoo.com*
Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project.
DEADLINE: 10th June 2008.
Good Luck.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
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-- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041
Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
AND
It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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I second that idea. Just name the place and the time On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Quick suggestion. All who are interested in said project could show up for a meeting. A project lead can be picked and the project kicks off. Anyone interested to send in CV and apologies early. I propose this weekend. The document, structure etc can be banged out then.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
Apologies,
*July 10th 2009* Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
I also thought my calendar was asleep until now. My guess is the call is closed, Kags?
On 01/07/2009, judith mulinge <judith.mulinge@gmail.com> wrote:
Kags,
10th June 2008?
Hasnt this ddl passed?
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
*Wanted*: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals *Deliverable*: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya)
An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time.
The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based.
The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be - especially in the future phases, which are larger scale.
Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following:
- Give your team a name - Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees - Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team - Detailed Contact information
Send this information to *Patricia*, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at *p_mukundi@yahoo.com*
Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project.
DEADLINE: 10th June 2008.
Good Luck.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
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-- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041
Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
AND
It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Phares, Name time and place. @Crystal:Are you ready for these? 2009/7/ Frankline Chitwa <frank.chitwa@gmail.com>
I second that idea. Just name the place and the time
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Quick suggestion. All who are interested in said project could show up for a meeting. A project lead can be picked and the project kicks off. Anyone interested to send in CV and apologies early. I propose this weekend. The document, structure etc can be banged out then.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
Apologies,
*July 10th 2009* Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
I also thought my calendar was asleep until now. My guess is the call is closed, Kags?
Kags,
10th June 2008?
Hasnt this ddl passed?
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
*Wanted*: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals *Deliverable*: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya)
An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time.
The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based.
The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be
On 01/07/2009, judith mulinge <judith.mulinge@gmail.com> wrote: -
especially in the future phases, which are larger scale.
Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following:
- Give your team a name - Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees - Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team - Detailed Contact information
Send this information to *Patricia*, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at *p_mukundi@yahoo.com*
Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project.
DEADLINE: 10th June 2008.
Good Luck.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041
Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
AND
It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Phares Kariuki
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Friends, I am not sure how many of you remember the challenge I posed and the related opportunity that availed itself as below. i thought it prudent to share what transpired here so that we all can reflect on the issues raised. By way of update, a team of people from here did come together and propose to work together - and they proceeded to prove that the companies were right. Only two of them made the preliminary discussions with the client and from what i understand, they could never get together enough to work out the project. More than once, they individually called me (representing client) to bitch about each other's inefficiencies and more than once they made promises - especially regarding timeline, that they did not keep. In fact, not once did they meet their own promises. The project has recently been contracted to a company (which is a member of this forum) Potential Learnings: 1. Techies cannot organise themselves to deliver on a project as a coalition of freelancers outside the framework of employment. They do not have the discipline and structure as individuals to enable them to collaborate and deliver on a structured project 2. There is need for techies to acquire knowledge in business principles as well as basic work ethic. it was interesting to speak to a techie and discover that he usually works only 5 hours out of 24 hours - except when he is under contract!! Imagine if the same chap went to live in America. There's more, but for now, this should suffice. For me it is a little disappointing but I suppose it shall be resolved in due course by some of us here. I keep hoping that I could be proved wrong... Cheers. Al Kags ----------------------- Author, Living Memories. “IF THERE IS SUCH A THING AS Kenya, these stories belong to us all, just as the pictures in Kenya Burning document the trauma of a nation during the post-election violence. The age of history written by white males is well and truly over.” - Star Columnist, Betty Caplan in the East African Weekly Newspaper. http://living.alkags.com On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
*Wanted*: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals *Deliverable*: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya)
An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time.
The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based.
The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be - especially in the future phases, which are larger scale.
Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following:
- Give your team a name - Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees - Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team - Detailed Contact information
Send this information to *Patricia*, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at *p_mukundi@yahoo.com*
Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project.
DEADLINE: 10th June 2008.
Good Luck.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com

Is this for real. I remember this one and thought there was a significant quorum to get the ball rolling... Another thing is i think the communication channels when working as a collaboration of developers should be moved out of the box because without it then the project is doomed to fail. Personally i have successfully collaborated on projects with other developers without ever having to meet face to face. With Comm tools like skype, IRC, SVC, Worklog (normally used by mysql engineers) etc i think the failure to get this one running is unacceptable. This project shouldn't have failed SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 Al Kags wrote:
Friends,
I am not sure how many of you remember the challenge I posed and the related opportunity that availed itself as below. i thought it prudent to share what transpired here so that we all can reflect on the issues raised.
By way of update, a team of people from here did come together and propose to work together - and they proceeded to prove that the companies were right. Only two of them made the preliminary discussions with the client and from what i understand, they could never get together enough to work out the project. More than once, they individually called me (representing client) to bitch about each other's inefficiencies and more than once they made promises - especially regarding timeline, that they did not keep. In fact, not once did they meet their own promises.
The project has recently been contracted to a company (which is a member of this forum)
Potential Learnings:
1. Techies cannot organise themselves to deliver on a project as a coalition of freelancers outside the framework of employment. They do not have the discipline and structure as individuals to enable them to collaborate and deliver on a structured project 2. There is need for techies to acquire knowledge in business principles as well as basic work ethic. it was interesting to speak to a techie and discover that he usually works only 5 hours out of 24 hours - except when he is under contract!! Imagine if the same chap went to live in America.
There's more, but for now, this should suffice. For me it is a little disappointing but I suppose it shall be resolved in due course by some of us here. I keep hoping that I could be proved wrong...
Cheers.
Al Kags ----------------------- Author, Living Memories. �IF THERE IS SUCH A THING AS Kenya, these stories belong to us all, just as the pictures in Kenya Burning document the trauma of a nation during the post-election violence. The age of history written by white males is well and truly over.� - Star Columnist, Betty Caplan in the East African Weekly Newspaper.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com <mailto:alkags@gmail.com>> wrote:
*Wanted*: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals *Deliverable*: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya)
An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time.
The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based.
The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be - especially in the future phases, which are larger scale.
Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following:
* Give your team a name * Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees * Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team * Detailed Contact information
Send this information to *Patricia*, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at *p_mukundi@yahoo.com <mailto:p_mukundi@yahoo.com>*
Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project.
DEADLINE: 10th June 2008.
Good Luck.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
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Steve, you are very right. Except that most clients are non-techies and do need to meet on a regular basis. As service providers which we techies are, we would have to occassionally give in to their needs? To echo you, this project shouldnt have failed. Al Kags ----------------------- Author, Living Memories. “IF THERE IS SUCH A THING AS Kenya, these stories belong to us all, just as the pictures in Kenya Burning document the trauma of a nation during the post-election violence. The age of history written by white males is well and truly over.” - Star Columnist, Betty Caplan in the East African Weekly Newspaper. http://living.alkags.com On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Is this for real. I remember this one and thought there was a significant quorum to get the ball rolling... Another thing is i think the communication channels when working as a collaboration of developers should be moved out of the box because without it then the project is doomed to fail. Personally i have successfully collaborated on projects with other developers without ever having to meet face to face. With Comm tools like skype, IRC, SVC, Worklog (normally used by mysql engineers) etc i think the failure to get this one running is unacceptable. This project shouldn't have failed
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
Al Kags wrote:
Friends,
I am not sure how many of you remember the challenge I posed and the related opportunity that availed itself as below. i thought it prudent to share what transpired here so that we all can reflect on the issues raised.
By way of update, a team of people from here did come together and propose to work together - and they proceeded to prove that the companies were right. Only two of them made the preliminary discussions with the client and from what i understand, they could never get together enough to work out the project. More than once, they individually called me (representing client) to bitch about each other's inefficiencies and more than once they made promises - especially regarding timeline, that they did not keep. In fact, not once did they meet their own promises.
The project has recently been contracted to a company (which is a member of this forum)
Potential Learnings:
1. Techies cannot organise themselves to deliver on a project as a coalition of freelancers outside the framework of employment. They do not have the discipline and structure as individuals to enable them to collaborate and deliver on a structured project 2. There is need for techies to acquire knowledge in business principles as well as basic work ethic. it was interesting to speak to a techie and discover that he usually works only 5 hours out of 24 hours - except when he is under contract!! Imagine if the same chap went to live in America.
There's more, but for now, this should suffice. For me it is a little disappointing but I suppose it shall be resolved in due course by some of us here. I keep hoping that I could be proved wrong...
Cheers.
Al Kags ----------------------- Author, Living Memories. “IF THERE IS SUCH A THING AS Kenya, these stories belong to us all, just as the pictures in Kenya Burning document the trauma of a nation during the post-election violence. The age of history written by white males is well and truly over.” - Star Columnist, Betty Caplan in the East African Weekly Newspaper.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com <mailto: alkags@gmail.com>> wrote:
*Wanted*: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals *Deliverable*: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya)
An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time.
The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based.
The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be - especially in the future phases, which are larger scale.
Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following:
* Give your team a name * Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees * Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team * Detailed Contact information
Send this information to *Patricia*, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at *p_mukundi@yahoo.com <mailto:p_mukundi@yahoo.com>*
Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project.
DEADLINE: 10th June 2008.
Good Luck.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
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It's been said that experience is the best teacher, but also the most expensive. We are learning from our mistakes, on what we failed to anticipate. There were quite some complexities but that's not to say they could not have been handled. May be we deserve some thrashing but we're wiser... enough not to throw another chance down :( ... On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
Steve, you are very right. Except that most clients are non-techies and do need to meet on a regular basis. As service providers which we techies are, we would have to occassionally give in to their needs? To echo you, this project shouldnt have failed.
Al Kags ----------------------- Author, Living Memories. “IF THERE IS SUCH A THING AS Kenya, these stories belong to us all, just as the pictures in Kenya Burning document the trauma of a nation during the post-election violence. The age of history written by white males is well and truly over.” - Star Columnist, Betty Caplan in the East African Weekly Newspaper.
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
Is this for real. I remember this one and thought there was a significant quorum to get the ball rolling... Another thing is i think the communication channels when working as a collaboration of developers should be moved out of the box because without it then the project is doomed to fail. Personally i have successfully collaborated on projects with other developers without ever having to meet face to face. With Comm tools like skype, IRC, SVC, Worklog (normally used by mysql engineers) etc i think the failure to get this one running is unacceptable. This project shouldn't have failed
SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691
Al Kags wrote:
Friends,
I am not sure how many of you remember the challenge I posed and the related opportunity that availed itself as below. i thought it prudent to share what transpired here so that we all can reflect on the issues raised.
By way of update, a team of people from here did come together and propose to work together - and they proceeded to prove that the companies were right. Only two of them made the preliminary discussions with the client and from what i understand, they could never get together enough to work out the project. More than once, they individually called me (representing client) to bitch about each other's inefficiencies and more than once they made promises - especially regarding timeline, that they did not keep. In fact, not once did they meet their own promises.
The project has recently been contracted to a company (which is a member of this forum)
Potential Learnings:
1. Techies cannot organise themselves to deliver on a project as a coalition of freelancers outside the framework of employment. They do not have the discipline and structure as individuals to enable them to collaborate and deliver on a structured project 2. There is need for techies to acquire knowledge in business principles as well as basic work ethic. it was interesting to speak to a techie and discover that he usually works only 5 hours out of 24 hours - except when he is under contract!! Imagine if the same chap went to live in America.
There's more, but for now, this should suffice. For me it is a little disappointing but I suppose it shall be resolved in due course by some of us here. I keep hoping that I could be proved wrong...
Cheers.
Al Kags ----------------------- Author, Living Memories. “IF THERE IS SUCH A THING AS Kenya, these stories belong to us all, just as the pictures in Kenya Burning document the trauma of a nation during the post-election violence. The age of history written by white males is well and truly over.” - Star Columnist, Betty Caplan in the East African Weekly Newspaper.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com <mailto:alkags@gmail.com>> wrote:
*Wanted*: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals *Deliverable*: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya)
An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time.
The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based.
The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be - especially in the future phases, which are larger scale.
Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following:
* Give your team a name * Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees * Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team * Detailed Contact information
Send this information to *Patricia*, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at *p_mukundi@yahoo.com <mailto:p_mukundi@yahoo.com>*
Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project.
DEADLINE: 10th June 2008.
Good Luck.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
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Hey Al, You can turn that experience into a positive one. A few months ago I attended a Skunkworks meeting at Teleposta where Alex said that he had got info that Kenya will be getting USD 2M from World Bank in order to improve software or ICT dev skills. This is the meeting where THE PS talked about fibre, and related stuff. You now have first hand experience with techie issues and I hope you (since you're in the ICT Board) and other advanced and professional techies can help into putting that USD 2M to good use. o_o. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote: From: Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] TAKING IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL: Wanted: One team To: skunkworks@my.co.ke Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 4:49 PM Friends, I am not sure how many of you remember the challenge I posed and the related opportunity that availed itself as below. i thought it prudent to share what transpired here so that we all can reflect on the issues raised. By way of update, a team of people from here did come together and propose to work together - and they proceeded to prove that the companies were right. Only two of them made the preliminary discussions with the client and from what i understand, they could never get together enough to work out the project. More than once, they individually called me (representing client) to bitch about each other's inefficiencies and more than once they made promises - especially regarding timeline, that they did not keep. In fact, not once did they meet their own promises. The project has recently been contracted to a company (which is a member of this forum) Potential Learnings: 1. Techies cannot organise themselves to deliver on a project as a coalition of freelancers outside the framework of employment. They do not have the discipline and structure as individuals to enable them to collaborate and deliver on a structured project 2. There is need for techies to acquire knowledge in business principles as well as basic work ethic. it was interesting to speak to a techie and discover that he usually works only 5 hours out of 24 hours - except when he is under contract!! Imagine if the same chap went to live in America. There's more, but for now, this should suffice. For me it is a little disappointing but I suppose it shall be resolved in due course by some of us here. I keep hoping that I could be proved wrong... Cheers. Al Kags ----------------------- Author, Living Memories. “IF THERE IS SUCH A THING AS Kenya, these stories belong to us all, just as the pictures in Kenya Burning document the trauma of a nation during the post-election violence. The age of history written by white males is well and truly over.” - Star Columnist, Betty Caplan in the East African Weekly Newspaper. http://living.alkags.com On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote: Wanted: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals Deliverable: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya) An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time. The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based. The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be - especially in the future phases, which are larger scale. Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following: Give your team a name Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team Detailed Contact information Send this information to Patricia, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at p_mukundi@yahoo.com Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project. DEADLINE: 10th June 2008. Good Luck. 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<advert> We have some very good Kenyan software developers within and without Kenya. My favorite ASP.Net-AJAX-Silverlight developer left for Europe this week. Was hoping to get him for some ASP.Net talks before the end of the year but .... The geek is world class so it is no surprise that some folks out there decided to hire him. Fortunately he connected me with his team mate who has also being doing high quality work for some EU market. So before this other ASP.Net guru gets too tempted to leave Kenya one of these days ... We are assembling a panel of Kenyan .Net experts to share some of their skills in November. The 1st meeting will be free for anyone to attend courtesy of Microsoft East Africa. It will be on a Saturday morning (10am-1pm). More details will be presented soon. c-sharp-asp.net@saltech.co.ke is looking into weekly reviews (guided self study) of Microsoft Certified Professional *Developer* (*MCPD*)<http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/webdev/>curriculum thereafter. It will be more affordable than Microsoft Official Curriculum (MOC = Instructor Led Training) because you only come to listen and question ... You do labs on your laptop or PC at home... If you are really good you also get the attention of the hard core developers who will be sharing their .Net skills and challenges with you. As stated once before, developer training is not a profitable venture in itself (without projects attached to it) but we cannot allow Kenya to continue going down the (brain) drain. <advert> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
Friends,
I am not sure how many of you remember the challenge I posed and the related opportunity that availed itself as below. i thought it prudent to share what transpired here so that we all can reflect on the issues raised.
By way of update, a team of people from here did come together and propose to work together - and they proceeded to prove that the companies were right. Only two of them made the preliminary discussions with the client and from what i understand, they could never get together enough to work out the project. More than once, they individually called me (representing client) to bitch about each other's inefficiencies and more than once they made promises - especially regarding timeline, that they did not keep. In fact, not once did they meet their own promises.
The project has recently been contracted to a company (which is a member of this forum)
Potential Learnings:
1. Techies cannot organise themselves to deliver on a project as a coalition of freelancers outside the framework of employment. They do not have the discipline and structure as individuals to enable them to collaborate and deliver on a structured project 2. There is need for techies to acquire knowledge in business principles as well as basic work ethic. it was interesting to speak to a techie and discover that he usually works only 5 hours out of 24 hours - except when he is under contract!! Imagine if the same chap went to live in America.
There's more, but for now, this should suffice. For me it is a little disappointing but I suppose it shall be resolved in due course by some of us here. I keep hoping that I could be proved wrong...
Cheers.
Al Kags ----------------------- Author, Living Memories. “IF THERE IS SUCH A THING AS Kenya, these stories belong to us all, just as the pictures in Kenya Burning document the trauma of a nation during the post-election violence. The age of history written by white males is well and truly over.” - Star Columnist, Betty Caplan in the East African Weekly Newspaper.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
*Wanted*: One team of freelance/ Independent Web Professionals *Deliverable*: Phase one of an Online Health Information Platform (Project Afya)
An entrepreneur group is seeking the services of a team of freelance/ independent web professionals that would work together to deliver Phase one of an online health information project. This project will have about four phases and the team would continue to the next phase only if they successfully deliver the preceding phase on time.
The team muct consist of a project manager to understand the business aims of the project, ensure timely delivery and detailed documentation of the project, designer who can deliver global quality CSS based designs from scratch (not plagiarised from other sources) and a developer who has indepth understanding of PHP5 as well as the strong ability to integrate open source applications especially those that are google based.
The team must be able to incoporate other members as the case may be - especially in the future phases, which are larger scale.
Interested? Send your expression of interest in the project, currently Codenamed project Afya stating clearly the following:
- Give your team a name - Names and detailed profiles of all members of the team - including portfolios, experience and project referees - Skills sets and expected roles of each member of the team - Detailed Contact information
Send this information to *Patricia*, who is your contact person for purposes of any aspectr of this project at *p_mukundi@yahoo.com*
Only successful teams will be invited to meet with the Client team to review the project.
DEADLINE: 10th June 2008.
Good Luck.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
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participants (10)
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Al Kags
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Frankline Chitwa
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James Muendo
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judith mulinge
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Murigi Muraya
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Phares Kariuki
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Samuel Waithaka
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Solomon Mburu
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Steve Obbayi
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wesley kirinya